Report: The Mosh Pit Goes Mainstream — And Turns Violent
- Sep. 26, 2003
Newt Briggs of The Las Vegas Mercury reports that "with his sneakers, jean shorts and sun-bleached surfer-shag, 16-year-old Sierra Vista High student Kirk Homeyer doesn't look like the typical punk--at least not that safety-pinned, spiky-headed scofflaw who's haunted parents' nightmares for the past two decades. If anything, Homeyer looks a bit like the kid who played Ralph Macchio's blond-haired, blue-eyed nemesis Johnny in the first 'Karate Kid' movie. But definitely not like a punk.
"Still, at a recent show at the Huntridge Theater, he is immersed in a roiling mass of bodies — all of them bumping and shoving in a flailing riot of arms and elbows and hair. Homeyer, who's been attending punk shows for as long as he can remember, surges with the melee as it ebbs and swirls, pinballing among friends and strangers in the delirious ecstasy of the mosh pit.
"For a few moments, he feels breathless and vital — right up until the point when he's thrown hard to the concrete floor. As people scramble to help him up, Homeyer finds himself confronted by an unknown (and unprovoked) foe, a brutish man-child with backwards hat and hands balled into fists. In a flash, 75 vibrant moshers are reduced to languid gawkers — the pit's glee forgotten in the face of looming violence.
" 'Moshing used to be a lot of fun,' says Homeyer, who escapes the encounter with little more than a scraped knee and a sour taste in his mouth. 'But now all these jocks and college kids have caught on, and they come to the shows and try to get into fights. It was never like this before. It wasn't about one-on-one or who was the toughest. It was about coming together and dancing and having a good time.'
"Homeyer's grouse is quickly becoming a familiar refrain among local denizens of the mosh pit — a fact that comes as no surprise to UNLV sociologist Matt Wray. Although Wray is hesitant to link mosh-pit aggression with an overall trend toward youth violence (a downward spiral typified by alleged suburban gangsters the 311 BOYZ), he is quick to point out that culture clash plays a pivotal role in fueling concert tumult.
" 'Even though it can look pretty violent, moshing was born out of a culture that more or less agreed it wasn't cool to try to hurt other people,' says Wray. "When that smashes up against a bunch of bored, methamphetamine-fired, suburban white boys--most of whom have no idea what an authentic subculture might look like--then you're asking for misunderstandings. Since the activity has been ripped from its original context, it can be misinterpreted as an opportunity to beat the crap out of somebody.' " Read more.
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COMMENT | first post posted by : metal666hate 9/26/2003 1:15:47 AM
first post
COMMENT | ppfff posted by : Etter 9/26/2003 1:56:59 AM
glad this isn't happing yet in Europe.
COMMENT | What an odd story posted by : Ryknow 9/26/2003 2:49:47 AM
True, though, there are many, many unworthy weenies and assholes moshing out there. You know when people start moshing to Linkin Park and Eve 6 and shit, that something really is a bit off. I've never really been the moshing type personally, but I'd like to be able to go into a pit and not get knocked out by a poseur who's just there to ruin people's times.
COMMENT | Moshing banned posted by : axeman 9/26/2003 3:18:43 AM
Moshing of any kind should be banned UNLESS there is a completely segregated area. Moshers should not be able to interact with fans that want to stand and enjoy the gig. The mosh pit should also have a premium price to enable security to drag out the causalities. Although impractical, these moshers should also sign a personal injury disclaimer. I understand that moshing was initially about group dancing with friendly “pushing”, but anything that affects completely passive concertgoers is a no-go. Headbanging was great, you play air guitar in your own space and provided your solos don’t get too wild you never crack heads with the person next too you.
COMMENT | posted by : RidingLightning 9/26/2003 3:56:35 AM
I hate going to festivals and there's all these fucking asswads who don't even care what band is playing, and they just start jumping and pushing and cracking skulls in a race to get to the front of the pit to see a band who they probably don't even know. It's just a joke. There I am, trying to watch some guy play guitar or something, and I get an elbow in the head or I get pushed over or some crap. I ain't gonna act macho, I'll admit that I'm not a big guy. It just shits me.
Rant over.
COMMENT | I actually agree with this posted by : your lord and master 9/26/2003 4:29:48 AM
wow, a newspaper actually printed a story which is true in regards to the heavy music scene.
I know Im not the onyl person that fucking hates going to a show, trying to get up front to see the band, then having to avoid getting a goddamn judo kick to the skull by some over-active prep school drop out with a crooked visor and backpack. when I went to my first few shows at 15-16, teh pits were generally a bunch of dudes smashing into each other and thrashing around having a good time. then within the past 4 years, its become this, "lets see who has the best jackie chan impression" bullshit. I go to shows to see a band, not to practice my high kicks and spin around like a douche.
whats even worse are these jock/college boys that they describe who try egg people on to come in the pit. "oh youre all pussies, youre weak get in the pit" when they are the ones with weak self-esteem and the only way they can feel good about themselves is if they can possibly hurt someone smaller or who doesnt want to get involved. with their backwards hats and fucking hatebreed jerseys.
go to shows to see the band. how dumb is it to pay $15 to kick some guy in the back? like ridign lightning said...asswads
COMMENT | Etter... posted by : cgs1984 9/26/2003 4:30:25 AM
...Eat shit; nobody gives a flying fuck what goes on in mosh pits in Europe. Quit bragging about being European. And Axeman is probably right but, fuck... what're ya gonna do?
COMMENT | kind of true posted by : 8 foot Sativa 9/26/2003 5:15:09 AM
most pits have turned into shit houses because of litte kids who think it is fighting these days i can't be fucked going into pits when i go to a see a metal band in small places because some fuckwit will almost take my head off with a bruce lee style kick.
COMMENT | It isn't little kids... posted by : Ben Fong Torres 9/26/2003 5:48:34 AM
who are the problem...it's dumb-ass guys in their 20's and 30's...
moshing is what people do who don't know music...it's completely pointless.
Yeah, moshing is so childish. I used to do it, until I started listening to music where the musicians do more than play power chords all day.
I saw someone talking about kicking, from my experiences, that is primarily the "hardcore" crowd that does that. They are a bunch of self righteous assholes who think it is cool to kick and punch at any and everything. I feel that they are a big reason that moshing is starting to get out of hand. They are also one of the reasons I try to stay away, because I get really pissed when some inconsiderate asshole is punching and kicking and hits me, when I am not even in the pit...
better stop before I start rambling...this is a subject I feel strongly about...
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COMMENT | it's a form of expression... posted by : Deth 9/26/2003 8:14:29 AM
Moshing is a form of expression for the fan. I know quite a few die hard musical guys who still mosh because they enjoy the conflict. It's not that they don't know music and it's not that they're immature, they just enjoy it.
I agree that sometimes things get out of hand, but not too many venues today have only one floor or level. It is possible to watch a band from farther away if you don't like the pit. I know it sucks and that you shouldn't be forced to do it, but what's better...watching the band or getting injured. It's all up to you. If you're going to stand close then you are taking the risk, just like the ones that are in the pit.
Additionally, you have to keep in mind that it's the bands that encourage it. "I wanna see some movement" comes out of a LOT of artists mouths. And with the crossover of rap and metal all kinds of bands are getting in on the action. The violence comes from those other crowds. True metalheads respect each other, the music, and the crowd...no matter how violent it gets. A perfect example was years ago when I saw Tool at Lolapolooza. Unfortunately I had to sit through Snoop Dog and he created a pit that was all about showing how many people you can beat on. On the flip side, I saw Death Angel a few weeks ago and the old school fans had a pit that was civilized and not as violent. The new crowds listen to other genres of music and don't respect the metal as much as us 'old school' fans. Not to say that they don't respect the music at all, but maybe not as much or on a different level.
I'm not condoning all of it or the fact that it exists in other genres of music but there is nothing anyone can do about it. The idea of having a seperate area is a good idea, but a lot of venues don't have the room for that or the money for extra security. Perhaps better searches at the door will help as well as cutting off people at the bar. Drugs and alcohol definately add to the violence.
Just my thoughts...
COMMENT | moshing used to be cool..... posted by : metalmiguel 9/26/2003 9:20:15 AM
when I was in high school. Everybody wanted to mosh. It was fun. No judo kicks or punches, just the adrenaline rush of hit and push another guy. everybody had fun and after the show they went happy to their home. Today you go and found a poser with an 12 inch spike bracelet trying to hit you in the eye with it. sad.
COMMENT | You wanna Mosh, fine.. posted by : evilernie 9/26/2003 10:11:52 AM
I have no problem with moshing, just do it in the BACK of the venue so the people that actually want to see the show can be up front.
COMMENT | The Pit is no place for assholes posted by : Johnny Wildchild 9/26/2003 10:25:24 AM
In the 20+ years of being an active metalhead I've headbanged, slamdanced, stagedived, moshed and heshed with the Best (and the Worst) of all the bands and all the fans that came to the various gigs. As the post by DETH above, stated..moshing is a form of self-expression for the fan. Not necessarily a SPORT (like football, boxing, hockey) but certainly an ART FORM (like martial arts) That being said, high kicks, backflips, punches etc. have no place in a tightly packed pit, however if there is ample space, anything goes. As always though, the problem starts with assholes who use the pit as an excuse to team up and beat on people. Sometimes it starts with only one prick, other times people square off and it can get quite violent. Remember the vicious brawls between the (long-haired) Metalheads and the (skinhead) Hardcore fans at all the Crossover shows in the late 80's? Shit, sometimes going into a pit at a Crumbsuckers or Agnostic Front or Cro-Mags or Bad Brains show was like risking your life and limb! I hate to make a seperatist statement like this but..you can tell old-school fans from the newer generation of slammers, by the way the pit is run. I've also found out through experience that most or all of the extrememly violent scumbags aren't even there to support the bands, it's more about "how many peeps can I FUCK UP, YO...." Bottom line..if you're in the pit to beat people down..you need to get the fuck off and out 'cause you WILL be TAKEN CARE OF ...right there on the dance floor! If you're not into being slammed into and want to watch the band normally..get OUT of the FUCKING WAY. You're boyfriend is NOT GONNA STOP a dozen fired-up mosh pit denizens. and finally if a bro' or sis' slammer falls down in front of you, help PICK THEM BACK UP instead of steppin' on them. I don't care how GOOD or BAD-ASS you THINK y'are....in a REAL PIT there is NO "LAST MAN STANDING." 36 years old...twenty years slamming. there ya go.
COMMENT | i agree posted by : bonecrusher 9/26/2003 10:26:35 AM
i am a big guy and i can handle myself but it dont make sense to have a uncontrolable pit going on where people are ganna get hurt and cause fights and it also gives metal shows a bad name and thats bullshit
COMMENT | Actually, it's all Pantera's fault posted by : SoulReaper 9/26/2003 10:45:23 AM
The jock assholes came into the subculture when Pantera got big and started showing pits in their videos. At the same time, melody left mainstream American metal in lieu of brutish football thuggery. I noticed in the early 90s that pits stopped being circles and started being shove-and-hop matches. That's what happens when you learn how to mosh from MTV.
It's worse these days, but that's the trickle-down effect... the law of diminishing returns. The hardcore scene has contributed many positive things, but adding kung fu moves to the pit is not one of them. All these hip new thrash bands should start putting real pits in their videos so the young kids getting into metal will learn to dance with some style and courtesy.
And for Pete's sake, if you're gonna mosh, leave your goddamned shirt on. Ever notice that the walking testosterone farms who like to bump bare nipples with other girlfriend-less men in a Friday night pit are always the first to drop a homophobic comment? Curious, don't you think?
COMMENT | NO DOUBT... posted by : Ben Fong Torres 9/26/2003 10:53:22 AM
I almost put that in my post, SoulReaper...LEAVE YOUR SHIRT ON! Very gay...very, very, very gay (not that there's anything wrong with that).
COMMENT | mosh pits... posted by : nodeerforamonth 9/26/2003 11:12:00 AM
most pits have been out of style since '86. They even "mosh" at Bon Jovi concerts (as can be seen in one of his videos from '87 or so).
ANYONE who runs around in a circle, PUNCHES someone, then RUNS away is a fucking pussy!
COMMENT | Stop Fuckin Whining PUSSIES! posted by : tidbits 9/26/2003 11:13:54 AM
God, you fuckers whine. "wah, it's too violent" "wah, elbows, wah kung fu kicks" etc etc. I couldn't care less about how some kid chooses to dance. I've been dancin at shows since 84 and still dance if the mood strikes me. If your afraid of contact stay away. Circle pits are just fuckin GAY. The problem isn't hardcore kids at metal shows, generally it's metal kids at hardcore shows. As for the jocks, if ya beat them down then they don't dance plain and simple. If someone is out to fuck people up, then the proper ettiquette dictates you pound that fucker or stay away from him. Just for the record fists don't hurt as much as hammers, think about that.
COMMENT | posted by : houde666 9/26/2003 11:23:50 AM
I think DETH explained the situation very well. True metalheads respect each others - it can me more dangerous to go at a Sugar Ray show than a Slayer show! Thoses new assholes who we're into Dance music a couple of years ago want to fight. That's all. They new hardcore/metal have a lot to do with it these days... Those who we're nerds yesterday plays melodic death metal without knowing the roots of metal. These kids are pathetic and very violent when comes to moshing.
COMMENT | Mosh is nothing more then an excuse to kick or push somebody posted by : HardSide 9/26/2003 11:44:05 AM
I aint a big fan of concerts, don't ask me why, its just how it is. Anyway to the point, from what I've seen moshpits are a joke, ive seen moshpits start over acoustical songs. Im pretty sure if pink floyd was still playing a concert gig, we would see a mosh pit there...
yeh ok...makes no sense at all, yeh its a form of expression, but what expression do you let out when you try and punch/push somebody when listening to slow songs a band might be playing.
COMMENT | double post... whoops! posted by : viktimized 9/26/2003 11:58:13 AM
But this whole thread is twice as gay as the usual shit oin here, so i guess its okay
Wow, and nobody even talked shit about the sociologist -- which is social PSYCHOLOGY! I guess it's all about the selective hatred then...
Anyway, people have made some great points... another one is people who wear fucking army boots should not go crowd surfing and kick people in the fucking head, assholes! What the fuck is your problem anyway, wearing fucking army boots to a show. This isn't the fucking army, you're not fighting on uneven terrain, you're not marching long distances. Wear some fucking shoes, moron.
Stop fucking bitching about pits. If you don't like it, step away, it's as simple as that. Don't bitch on a message board, if you wanna make a statement bitch to the people in the pits at the shows. Bring a bag to pick up your teeth...
Stop crying kids.
COMMENT | Spoon: posted by : SoulReaper 9/26/2003 12:46:26 PM
I wear steel-toe boots to every show in case some asshole stomps on my foot. If you stand at the back of the pit, you get breathing room, a good view of the show and even a little exercise fending off the moshin' kids. Big ass boots are advisable in all of life's circumstances, but none more so than at a show where people are likely to mosh. And we've established that can happen at any show. I saw a circle pit during a Gang Starr show a few years ago. These days, I bet someone tries to mosh at every Michelle Branch or Dave Matthews concert.
COMMENT | Yeah... posted by : REVOLUTION IS MY NAME 9/26/2003 12:56:01 PM
there are a lot of poseurs at shows nowadays. Usually im more of a headbanger but if some jock kid with short hair and a slipknot shirt bumps me hard then he'll be going down, thats assured of. I remember back on my last show(arch enemy) some mall kid was standing motionless waiting for fucking opening crap band Black dahlia Murder to come on. As they went on he started yelling, screaming and whining to the shitty band playing about why there were no moshpits. He then proceeded to knocking down people and just pushing everyone around. Next thing I know my buddy goes in there and fixes this guy straight. There was also a funny incident when I had to be stuck watching a very crappy band by the name of Unearth. These guys are the biggest poseurs there are. The bass player from their band kept on yelling at people who werent moshing and told everyone to do it. My friends and I were having beers at the side and were showing our middle fingers to this turd who kept on telling people what to do. The bass player saw us and strated yelling insults" Im gonna kickyour ass after the show blah, blah, meet me after" and all his hardcore mallcore crowd starting cheering him on. My friends and I then decided to do what the guy said and to meet him after the band stopped playing. We went outside and waited by the van. When the bass player from Unearth started bringing his gear into the van he totally went by us like we were not there. I said" remember us, would you like to say a few words now?" He just goes "drop it guys, its just a show I was really hyped up" We proceeded to tell him not to dictate people on what to do. From this experience I learned that all of these "wanna- be tough guys" at hardcore shows are not at all what they seem.
COMMENT | I'm always up front posted by : Mr.HCI 9/26/2003 1:00:47 PM
I rarely get in the pit but it never bothers me. Folks have been saying it used to be cool but now it's too violent for TWENTY FUCKING YEARS!
The only difference I've noticed recently is the fake karate bullshit. That's stupid and dangerous but plain ol' slamming/moshing/etc. doesn't seem to have changed much to me. Hell, I used to count my bruises when I got home from hardcore shows and I wasn't even a violent dancer. I *did* have to quit stage diving around 1984 or so when I got hurt too many times. I almost never see stage diving anymore but clubs have really cracked down on that and put up barriers to prevent it.
COMMENT | . posted by : Mr.HCI 9/26/2003 1:07:11 PM
"if some jock kid with short hair and a slipknot shirt bumps me hard then he'll be going down, thats assured of"
Dickhead
That's my biggest problem with the pit: folks who insist on being right up front on the edge of the pit and then start fights when folks bump into them.
COMMENT | Slayer/Pantera Show at the Shark Tank... posted by : Hellfire(~\m/~) 9/26/2003 2:31:14 PM
Oh man. THAT was violent!!! The security guards were getting beat down and that was BEFORE Slayer went on!
My recollection of that show was that Slayer had an equal amount of people moshing and what was a trip about it was the "island" of people in the center of this swirling mass of people. At the edge of this island were some BIG motherfuckers pickin' people off as they moshed by. I mean not just a small punch but a fuckin' CRACK TO THE DOME!
I said that Slayer had an equal amount moshing. I was wrong. When Pantera hit the stage...two pits formed and even more people were gettin' fucked up, security included. Plus, Phil Anselmo wasn't helping matters at all. "Mow em down like GRASS!!!" and that's what they did.
I was way up in the seats, realtively safe. I had my fiance with me so I was NOT about to risk her safety taking her down into the pit. Fuck that. Personally, I go to shows to watch the band, not to get injured. If that makes me a pussy, fine. I am what I eat. ; )
Peace!
PS - Another gnarly mosh pit: Candlestick Park, SF. I think it was 2000. Metallica, Korn, Kid Rock, SOAD and Powerman 5000. When Korn hit the stage...fuck there was a lot of blood spilled that day.
COMMENT | posted by : Blood_all_over 9/26/2003 2:56:27 PM
i actually love mosh pitting, i just dont really agree with the Hc kids Kung fu ninja Mosh, but hey as long as they dont pick on me, they get my thumbs up to kill themselves.. To me mosh is throwing some elbows and fists.. thats the way i try to express my self at a concert, Im sorry but its impossible for me to go to a Death metal or thrash concert to be there just standing... and im not even that big of a guy .
COMMENT | posted by : Blood_all_over 9/26/2003 2:56:48 PM
i actually love mosh pitting, i just dont really agree with the Hc kids Kung fu ninja Mosh, but hey as long as they dont pick on me, they get my thumbs up to kill themselves.. To me mosh is throwing some elbows and fists.. thats the way i try to express my self at a concert, Im sorry but its impossible for me to go to a Death metal or thrash concert to be there just standing... and im not even that big of a guy .
COMMENT | Avoid stupid people posted by : radutrm 9/26/2003 3:31:55 PM
Wherever you go, you can get over stupid people. If you're really out of luck, than it's you that lefts his teeth around, and this be it a punk, thrash, hardcore, symphonic or lap dance show. Sure, the chances for this to happen are not exactly equal, but you can't blame mosh and related for being the problem. Most of the time is just fine, you just have to take care to get out if you can't handle it. I'm not at all the massive kind, I had some bad experiences, but most of the time it's pure fun. After all, risk is part of our life... So keep moshing :) NB. I'm AGAINST violence, I'm NEVER wearing metal thingies on me (chains etc), never slapping, kicking, etc.
COMMENT | I just... posted by : cgs1984 9/26/2003 3:40:31 PM
...want to say again that ETTER is very very gay.
COMMENT | Since when... posted by : jc411502 9/26/2003 3:42:33 PM
do you morons think it's a new trend for people to get violent in the pit? What shows have you been seeing? Last time I saw Dropkick Murphys, the whole fuckin place was pit and everyone was beating the shit out of eachother.
COMMENT | Viktimized got it right posted by : tidbits 9/26/2003 4:39:40 PM
Ball peen Hammers, Backpacks with bricks, chains, sawed off hockey sticks.... That shit is off the hook and is what VIOLENCE is. Elbows, knees, kung fu kicks, and shit like that aint violence thats just FUN!!! Ya don't like it go to the back and hide. I'm 35 and still will dance when the mood strikes me and I aint never and I mean never have complained about a show being too violent or a pit being too rough. FUCK ALL YOU CANDY ASSED MALLCORE/EMO/METALHEAD ROMOS!.
Just for the record it aint the length of your hair it's the size of you heart.
COMMENT | New Age Thrash Kid posted by : Linuxfreak2k4 9/26/2003 5:02:53 PM
Seeing how I wasnt born until the year Peace Sells was released I missed the old pits. But I have no problem with todays. I do get pissed off when the drunk Frat kids and wiggers get in there trying to pick a fight, but every time I've seen that at the clubs here in memphis that person pisses everyone off and gets kicked out of the club. Yeah I've got bruises and black eyes but that is all a part of the fun. You cant complain when your known as the lightest person in every pit you go to. and if you dont like pits either steer clear or dont go to Metal/True Punk Shows, simple as that. There are plent of spots closer to the stage than where the pits are. At all of the non club shows I've been to the nearest pit is 20 foot from the rail and 22 from the stage, and it isnt like 500 ppl are in that one pit.
COMMENT | posted by : The Space Lord 9/26/2003 5:34:48 PM
Since everyone's expressed some degree of favorable opinions on this topic I'll just say that for myself I'm ambivalent to moshing and I just do it when it comes to me or when it depends on the band. Personally I prefer the old school mannerisms of moshing, or basically just slamming into people although I have to agree that stagediving's days are thankfully numbered now. Hopefully that retarded kung-fu/ninja moshpit nonsense will follow suit too. Nothing's more sad than walking into a mosh circle that instantly turns into a Linkin Park video at concerts these days.
And for the record....
First moshing experience: The Ramones at Ottawa's Porter Hall back in 1992. Great performance, great crowd, some bruises but nothing major.
Most extreme moshing experience: Collective Soul at SaskPlace in 1997 which prompted a human avalanche that I barely escaped from with my life. It's COLLECTIVE FUCKING SOUL, for Christ's sake. Do you really need to asphyxiate someone with your body weight just to make "Precious Declaration" sound more angst-ridden live? Idiots.....
COMMENT | ROTFLMMFAO!!! posted by : Hellfire(~\m/~) 9/26/2003 6:22:10 PM
COLLECTIVE SOUL!!!! Oh God! That was...Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!...funny!!!! Oh, man! My sides just split!
COMMENT | If idiots want to mosh, fine... posted by : the Dude 9/26/2003 9:58:28 PM
...who am I to say it's wrong to beat each other up for no reason? The problem lies in the fact that they insist on doing it right in front of the stage, where people who are actually FUCKING INTERESTED IN WATCHING THE BAND PLAY are trying to enjoy the show.
You want to mosh? Fine, then go to the back of the club and do it there. You're the fools who paid good money to go to a show, then spend the whole time beating each other up instead of watching the band. Why should the intelligent people that want their money's worth have to suffer because of your mental retardation?
...when I saw Pungent Stench there was this complete fuck wit grabbing people in head locks, and trying to bash peoples heads together. Apart from him the mosh was furious but friendly and people would stop to pick up people who got bowled over. Except when fuck-wit tried to crowd surf, the crowd parted and he fell head first into the brick floor making a nasty smacking sound, no one picked him up, he crawled off to the side of the room and spent the rest of the gig nursing his fucked up head.
COMMENT | Moshing needs to be banned... posted by : termite 9/27/2003 1:27:30 AM
at Alternative rock concerts. Why the fuck would you mosh to Rage Against the Machine? If anyone gets angry and pumped listening to RATM, then they have fucking testosterone problems. Hell, it should also be banned at metal concerts, since moshing to metal is fucking retarded. You're a metalhead, how about you headbang.
Moshing is for hardcore. Not for alternative rock. Not for metal. But for hardcore. It's about capturing the energy of a live band and converting it into your body motions.
COMMENT | Moshing Not for Metal? posted by : Linuxfreak2k4 9/28/2003 2:06:01 AM
dude listen to Rattle Head by Megadeth, yes it speaks of head banging but it also speaks of Moshing, Moshing is for any music of aggression. Me I head bang I mosh, and I crowd surf. And as I said before the pits are not 500 ppl deep and are at least 20 feet away from the rail at lager shows(trust me hitting a rail sux)
COMMENT | oh! posted by : Linuxfreak2k4 9/28/2003 2:07:37 AM
and I was 16 when I jumped in my first pit, so dont bitch about being 15 or 16 jump in get the left leg of your pants ripped off at the knee and feel the rush
COMMENT | Famous moshers posted by : GhostofNavigator 9/29/2003 1:53:55 PM
Rob Halford Liberace Rock Hudson Elton John Nathan Lane Greg Louganis George Michael Harvey Firestien Boy George Siegfried and Roy Freddie Mercury RuPaul Pete Townshend
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