BURZUM Mastermind To Be Portrayed By 'Twilight' Heartthrob In 'Lords Of Chaos' Movie
- May 21, 2009
Jackson Rathbone, the teen heartthrob from "Twilight", has reportedly agreed to play Varg Vikernes (a.k.a. Count Grishnackh) — the former BURZUM mastermind who is currently serving a Norwegian prison term for the August 1993 murder of MAYHEM guitarist Oystein Aarseth (a.k.a. Euronymous) and setting fire to three churches — in the upcoming movie "Lords Of Chaos".
Based on Michael Moynihan and Didrik Soderlind's book of the same name, the film depicts true events and revolves around the black metal sub-culture that spawned a wave of murders and church arsons across Norway in the early 1990s.
Making his English-language debut with "Lords Of Chaos" will be hot Japanese director Sion Sono.
Stuart Pollok of Los Angeles-based Saltire Entertainment, Ko Mori of Eleven Arts and Oh Jungwan of Korea's Bom Productions are producing the film, which starts shooting in Norway in mid-September.
Three years ago, plans had been underway to make the book into a film. However, the producers lacked funding at the time.
Now, however, with funding underway, producer Pollok is in Cannes to promote the project.
Why did you choose to make this film?
"It is a fascinating topic, a great visual world to depict, and a fun portrayal of Norway," Pollok told Dagbladet.no. "Black metal is possibly the largest cultural export of Norway in the past twenty years."
In his manuscript to Norway's Hans Fjellestad, Pollok revealed that the film will be based on actual events.
It will be a story of youth and youthful energy, said Pollok, but he emphasised that the film will fall under the teen film category, and that it will be a psychological horror film.
The events that came to pass are interesting and fascinating, said Pollok.
Pollok confirmed to Dagbladet.no that he will also be casting Norwegian actors.
Svein Andresen of Film Camp, which is responsible for the Norwegian recording locations and production, stated "What happened has been widely known to the public for a long time, and is now known worldwide. This was a gang that declared war on society. Actually, it is not surprising that Norwegian filmmakers have picked up on this piece of history."
Rathbone plays Jasper in Summit's "Twilight" series and is currently shooting the lead role in M. Night Shyamalan's $140-million "The Last Airbender" for Paramount Pictures.
In a 2004 statement posted on the Burzum.org web site, Vikernes slammed the "Lord Of Chaos" book as "a pool of mud," insisting that "the vast majority of all the statements made in this book are either misinterpretations; taken out of context; misunderstandings; malicious lies made by enemies; a result of ignorance; extreme exaggerations; and/or third-hand information at best. This includes the statements attributed to me!" He went on to say, "This book serves only one single purpose and that is to create a myth around my name and to mystify me. If that was their objective they have indeed succeeded with their work. Well, the book seems to have served one other purpose too. The authors have managed to fill the heads of a generation of metal fans with lies. What could have been a righteous revolt has been made into some pathetic, embarrassing, brain-dead, impotent and traditional poser-culture best exemplified by bands like DIMMU BORGIR — and indeed VENOM!"
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COMMENT | Great book posted by : Neglect 5/21/2009 11:11:57 AM
"What could have been a righteous revolt has been made into some pathetic, embarrassing, brain-dead, impotent and traditional poser-culture best exemplified by bands like DIMMU BORGIR — and indeed VENOM!"
That's because is was pathetic, embarrassing, brain-dead, impotent and traditional poser-culture. Black metal was possibly the dumbest musical export ever.
COMMENT | What the Fuck? posted by : Strychnine.213 5/21/2009 11:30:06 AM
I'm not a massive Burzum fan and I don't agree with Varg on any of his views that I'm aware of, but why would that arse head be cast to be Varg??? More reason to not see that shit fest of a film now.
COMMENT | posted by : BarryWhiteManilow 5/21/2009 11:36:28 AM
I hate when people make speeches in comment sections.
Get over yourself.
COMMENT | Witch Taint posted by : noamjamski 5/21/2009 11:39:44 AM
Who is going to play Mysticum or Lance the King of Black Metal and about 50 other things?
COMMENT | Ok posted by : MysticYautja 5/21/2009 11:49:09 AM
Fuck Neglect fuck Slaughteroth you are both worthless piles of shit, this is the most atrocious news I have heard in a long time. Varg is perhaps one of the most intelligent people in music and what he said about Lords of Chaos and Dimmu and all that shit is 100 percent correct. And to think they are going to make a movie about this? Sickening, just fucking sickening. Way to completely shit all over a legend.
COMMENT | "Legend" ?? posted by : Jim Traficant 5/21/2009 12:05:07 PM
Having Hollywood distort the truth even more than the worthless book Lords of Chaos already did is the perfect punishment for propaganda-queen Varg. This movie will be a blast! I will buy an extra large popcorn and laugh my ass off.
People who worship Varg are pathetic, like the women who fall in love with jailed serial killers and then go on Jerry Springer to defend themselves.
COMMENT | I heard a rumor posted by : Neil Young's Cocaine Booger 5/21/2009 12:05:50 PM
that Jamie Foxx is gonna play Euronymous, Justin Timberlake is gonna play Dead, and that douchebag from High School Musical is gonna be Snorre Ruch.
COMMENT | I wonder.. posted by : flowingcrimson 5/21/2009 12:10:01 PM
..how many people here have actually listened to Burzum. It's shit and always has been shit. The sad thing about "true" or "original" black metal is..most of it is intended to sound shitty. No idea why but it is. And as for Varg..I thought he recently got out of prison or is getting out of prison sometime this year?
COMMENT | posted by : enkiel 5/21/2009 12:20:41 PM
As insane as Varg is, I think he has a point here. I'm sure all those involved in the original black metal culture back then will be angered at this. He's right in that bands like Dimmu Borgir took black metal, packaged it, streamlined it, and used it as a front to make money and appear hard, when they actually had nothing to do with its origins and are fakers. They probably go to church for fuck's sake. From what I've read from others like Ihsahn and Garm, it really was more than the music, but rather some philosophical/religious revolt against organization and establishment, which is reflected in the symplistic, chaotic music. It was meant to be that way, in a similar fashion as punk was in the 70s.
As for this movie, I'm sure it will sensationalize and distort what actually happened to appeal to the masses for their entertainment. That's Hollywood for you. Everything based on actual history is usually distorted.
COMMENT | posted by : XtheXplagueX 5/21/2009 12:34:08 PM
I think it's funny that a lot of people who talk shit about black metal for being cheesy or immature listen to death metal. At least those kids(at the time) had the balls to stand up and take some sort of action for what they were talking about. Not just putting gory pictures on their covers and grunting about all the ways some ones could kill somebody. All metal is ridiculous in one way or another. But I still love it. (Except power metal. What the fuck is that about?)
COMMENT | posted by : XtheXplagueX 5/21/2009 12:34:57 PM
* some one else
COMMENT | posted by : blackXmetalXcore 5/21/2009 1:13:23 PM
If this was that Robert Pattinson guy, I would have killed myself
COMMENT | posted by : Basajaun 5/21/2009 1:16:02 PM
Review: Early black metal from Count Grishnack defines some of the characteristics of the genre in a lengthy and powerful release. Although simple, and often suffocatingly feral with ghoulish distorted screams garbling any message but the mood: sadness, the music evokes a dark and emotional despair that is suppressed fear within human existence.
The simple virus of Burzum communicates the dissatisfaction, misery, and anger of a generation that wants only to dream, as reality is a waste -- forget living outside the head, retreat within. No satisfaction with life here, only a despairing suicidal reclusion and self-withdrawal. The Count chose to project this feral, nihilistic, ambiguous music into our consciousness to stimulate fantasy.
Tracklist:
1. Feeble Screams from Forests Unknown 2. Ea, Lord of the Depths 3. Black Spell of Destruction 4. Channeling the Power of Souls into A New God 5. War 6. The Crying Orc 7. My Journey to the Stars 8. Dungeons of Darkness 9. Stemmen Frå Taarnet 10. Dominus Sathanas 11. A Lost Forgotten Sad Spirit Length: 58:09
The core of Burzum is dissonant hatred for all that can accept within its head the tyranny of the outside world, represented here by deities, trust, happiness and light. In this release the capacity for ambient metal develops as the music emerges from the structural and boxy metal of the previous three generations of the genre. Riffs are often simple power chord structures with additional notes strummed within the riff to build simple harmonies for biting contrast. Notably however chord voicings vary to embed multiple melodies in harmony.
Vocals are lengthy screams that spread the hoarse demonscreech over several notes, often accentuating the rhythms of the riffs (dominant rhythm of each song, lulling hypnotic strum of seething distortion). Like most black metal, this is contrast-counterpoint material that illustrates isolation and despair in the nihilistic, simplistic, weeping musician. Whether or not you buy the emotional circus, you can appreciate the music.
In most cases songs are repetitions of simple patterns as part of an enveloping phrase that uses repetitions of its components to project an ambience of the whole. Grishnack composes the way William Burroughs wrote 'Naked Lunch': cutting up fragments of vision and spreading them over a random, ambiguous but intensely artistic work: communication on a far subtler level than anything else, a mood and a form of logic rather than a set of conclusions. These fragments are not a slide-show; songs have clear points of structural variation that reveal emotional realizations in the progress of descent into chaos.
These memetic messengers resonate at intellectual and emotional levels in the brain, working deconstructive code into the machine and consoling the spirit with a harmonized disharmonious voice that refuses to quell the torment of the soul and acknowledges the deep pain and moral stupidity of living in a modern world.
This is the mocking spirit of nihilism that encourages mortals to value their freedom by urging them toward lawlessness abandonment of the material in favor of the ethereal. For those who seek darkness because it will set them free.
Det Som Engang Var Misanthropy 1994
Production: Relatively clear with reasonable amounts of bass. Review: This album is most reminiscent of early R.E.M. in that both use harmony to maintain a mood regulated by the dramatic extremities of vocal and guitar performance. Ambience derived from repetition over time and tension sustains an atmosphere of emotional darkness with internal complexity that turns the monolithic repetition of angst into a flowing narrative of lives beyond time.
Riffs extend and lull in hypnotic rhythm, sunlight caught in dancing dust at the end of the day, a melody of chords washing over the last notes, plucking the combinatoric possibilities of the harmonic content of the chords relative to the meta-melody of the song, in beautiful contrast of haranguing noise and its lingering beauty of decomposition.
These simple songs present brief technical textures to sheath the classic sense of melody which is the basis for European music, with a more contemporary appreciation for rhythmic darkness and the deliberate use of counterpoint in song structure, keeping each phrase resolved in the next, encoding the future of the music's permutations in the arrangements of tonal attraction at its core.
Tracklist:
1. Den onde kysten 2. Key to the gate 3. En ring til aa herske 4. Lost Wisdom 5. Han som reiste 6. Naar himmelen klarner 7. Snu mikrokosmos tegn 8. Svarte troner Length: 40:01
The music, dark throughout the album's variations, is simple and rough but well played and obviously planned, sensed. Some of this album is similar to Carbonized's "For the Security" in the tendency to work simple rhythmic alternates for an ominous tension.
Vocals are as usual the torn-out throat of a desperate spirit, Varg Vikernes screaming himself into distortion, but a distortion he uses to shred reality behind his music and direct the flow of it. His screams are incomprehensible, and exist as an instrument of incredible variation in timbre and rhythm.
With this release black metal becomes a more ambient narrative poetic, using groundbreakingly simple techno-inspired beats and simple, strobing guitars to create the atmosphere of darkness which defines the album. More than being a collection of individual songs it is pieces of an idea arranged through songs over the course of an album, complete with two noise pieces and a keyboard tune.
In some ways this album could be to black metal what Morbid Angel's "Blessed Are the Sick" was to death metal: overwhelmingly explicative of the culture and the essence it wishes to communicate. Further evolved from the context of its generation this music makes suddenly incarnate a voice of the nihilistic, anarchistic and emotional philosophy of black metal, a spiritual holocaust that leaves only sadness and resentful anger.
The root of each message is the basic rhythmic change, which involves a simple riff mutating into a few variations of a thing before breaking into a different expression of similar rhythms which mutate, reveal the first, and then conclude in a violent finality or nihilistic anticlimax. The rhythms that force the riffs drive guitar chords strummed into waves of distorted fall, with the slower strumming of multiple notes provoking a sweeping pulse that relays into an empty night some broadcast of infernal resistance.
This basic hypnotic motion, augmented by the matrix of drums (usually highhat keeping a time with heavier bass drum beats providing throb, perhaps with tom or snare), massages a progression of ideas into a stream of conversational, intensely revelatory arrangements of notes, overlapping and counterpointing wherever appropriate for effect of darkness.
The beauty of the composition here is the harmony: when used, it is with great effectiveness, and the Count dissects warmth and promulgates divisive, inciteful dissonance to any concerns of life or human worth or social structure.
For example, "Key to the Gate" rocks with a patterned lead guitar to create a beautiful harmony over a raging deconstructive riff; it is beauty suspended in the contrast upon which both light and dark depend for their meaning. Yet the lilting rhythm, so light in contrast to the expedient destructiveness of the major chord-based riffs, determines how riffs recombine and appear throughout the song with the basic identity of its meta-melody, as if encrypting it.
All riffs are simple; all songs are relatively simple, but bizarrely structured; the riffs, the songs, and the album all communicate the element of contextless isolation that dominates the minds of the truly alienated. It pushes nihilism upon the listener in its hellbent simplicity and deliberately repulsive aesthetic of high, wailing and eerie screeching vocals. Fear this dark virus, but take it seriously: a masterpiece.
Hvis Lyset Tar Oss Misanthropy 1992
Production: About appropriately both clear and roomily distant.
Review: On this album Burzum evolves to a simplicity of rhythmic communication under a dark mood suspended in the ambient tones of distorted guitar. Elements of communication are simple recombinations of pieces of scales, balancing a nihilism of equality of tone with a chaotic will to melody, building each song from progressions of simple riffs that emphasize a pulse in their dominant strokes.
The orchestration of the complex linear expression of an idea behind the emotional mood of the aesthetic of the music distinguishes this album from his others; the artist sets a stage and plays out the story that must echo in his own head, that of the slow decay of a dark character into sadness anger and death.
Tracklist:
1. Det som en gang var 2. Hvis lyset tar oss 3. Inn i slottet fra droemmen 4. Tomhet Length: 44:32
Of four tracks, three are lengthy (11,8, and 15 minute) minimalist epics of driving technoesque beats and strobing guitar that leaves a passage of time resonating with the entirety of the greater phrase which in its own subtle way shares the fundamentals of each component phrase. If you buy into the emotion of art - or avant-garde extremist performance art like black metal - you will fall into these tracks and be shocked awake when their evocative structures unfold and implode, blooming a wistful moment of both realization and emotion, resignation and resistance.
Emergent ideas project and converge merging with a distant reality as these songs articulate their pain; then into the cold of silence the evil Count drops a sparse ambient keyboard piece of ten minutes called Tomhet, absolute minimalism that portrays dark reflections of a dying age. All songs are both painfully simple and intensely complex, and good - and bad - in an enigmatic afterglow of a falling star.
Filosofem Misanthropy 1995
Production: Clear but less obscure and fundamental; a thinner sound, especially in the reediness of the guitar. Keyboards are more clearly separated from the guitar than previously. (Editor's note: This album was mixed/produced while Varg was in prison, and he has never heard its final form.)
Review: Both evolving to simplicity and devolving to pop music, Burzum produces a troublingly obscure and romantic work. Some call it "Odinpop" but Europop might more accurately reflect the roots of the new aesthetic, which resembles the culture of the self-destructive tormented artist self who puts forth simple, corruptedly cryptic messages of angst.
The rhythms are simple percussive matrices underlying simple phrase beats played in the cutting distortion of the guitar, the combination of percussion and duration that reveals the components of each note and chord simultaneously. With a flexible strumming technique that smears a distorted flow of notes into chords and melodies, hypnotizing with sound in the simplest components of a song that builds a mood from the ambiguity of the melodic recombinance of the musical space that emerges. Strobing, pulsing, living music radiates from these simple, definitive riffs.
Ambiguity enlists the help of the duality of guitar; the percussive broad strokes of rhythm are kept solid on beat here while the swarming chaos of anarchistic harmony provides a melancholic background of potential desire. Anonymous artisans like satyrs flow in the overwhelming flood of this guitar, so structural pop music on the surface and so corrupted and hopeless, indeterminate beneath. 1. Dunkelheit 2. Jesus' Tod 3. Erblicket die Töchter des Firmaments 4. Gebrechlichkeit .I. 5. Rundgang um die transzendentale Säule der Singularität 6. Gebrechlichkeit .II. Length: 64:36
Emotion comes from the rasping voice distorted to merge with the electronic organic mass of sound, rhythmically adept to insert the contortions of speech in anguished, hopeless ferocity. There are cheeseball moments of this genre combination; the angstful-adolescent chantsinging choked with emotion would have inspired Nietzsche to vomit, sometimes the simplicity is overbearing: predictability of simple note combinations irritates some and comforts others.
But all of these are distortion knobs that the artist uses sometimes clumsily for great effect, spreading his stories across component patterns of a distant abstract view of existence as a passage of death: without context, they spin isolate melancholy tales of pain at not at this world but the acceptance of the world by others in numb repression.
There are three songs of pop-style black metal, then an ambient noise song separated by a 25-minute ambient keyboard track of astounding simplicity and relative profundity. Not as cutting, destructive, and angry as earlier releases it seems more reflective and nihilistic, recognizing prison as an indifferent destiny in a world this repulsively stupid.
Balder's Dod Misanthropy 1997
Production: Direct transfer from digital sequencing keyboard allows sound to exist in abstract space of algorithmic tones and perfect silence. Review: An extension of the minimalistic atonal symphonies which layered basic tone progressions over each other in fugues of masterful narrative layout, approaching a more complex ideal of song structure and its influence on the elements of the song, "Balder's Dod" constrains the pop-like melodic tendencies of the previous Burzum album to classically-inspired ambient looping structures, with less emphasis on overlay and harmonization as on sheer mutation of riff, song, and structure alike.
Tracklist:
1. Daudi Baldrs 2. Hermodr a Helferd 3. Balferd Baldrs 4. I Heimr Heljar 5. Illa Tidandi 6. Moti Ragnarokum Length: 39:15
Often reusing familiar themes from "Filosofem," the evil Count Grishnack manipulates a traveling show of ancient delights in a narrative winding its way through dark emotions best described as harmonizations to a fantasy conceived in a dream. Obscurity reigns in the simple anti-riff patterns that fulfill the demand of a single-note lead for a constantly engaging melodic tension with tone sequences modifying themselves in subtle but structurally significant ways, throwing doubt on the structure and giving it the romantic requisite of dual nature and emotional wanderlust. Where in Plato's cave one saw silhouettes, in Grishnack's castle the light is hidden under shadow.
The repetitive nature of "Balder's Dod," and the frequent lack of percussion instruments, makes it a difficult chew for modern listeners, especially those expecting metal. Musically however these works continue the explorations of the dark Count in ways perhaps more profound than "Filosofem," which stagnated into wistful, almost drunkenly poignant pop music; here there is a new austerity of persona in the malevolent and brooding soul of nature restless in the presence of sleeping humanity.
Hlidskjalf Misanthropy 1999
Production: This release being digital, there's not much to say here. Review: Continuing his path of development, Count Grishnack's Burzum accelerates its growth to a form of mellow but highly significant "ambient soundscape" music that must be understood at an abstract level to appreciate its real beauty.
Burzum has evolved from raw black metal to an atmospheric style of classical music that reflects powerful concept and design in an executation that is a cliche of sound, a space best left to Mortiis and other professional cheeseballs.
Tracklist:
1. Tuistos Herz 2. Der Tod Wuotans 3. Ansuzgardaraiwo 4. Die Liebe Nerpus' 5. Das einsame Trauern von Frijo 6. Die Kraft de Mitgefuehls 7. Frijos goldene Tranen 8. Der weinende Hadnur Length: 33:47
Its sound: entirely machine, keyboards sequenced together with minimal percussion and rarely played in a "lead" role. Ambient long tempo structures and hypnotic pulsations of rhythm put this album in a dominant background role to your attention span, as if it were a soundtrack or sequence of demonic commands.
Underneath the lush skin of melodic layers comprising this music is once again the product of a highly refined musical thinker crafting distinctive works that speak the uniqueness and complexity of a situation or mood. Despite layered construction, this music is ultra-minimalistic: like Bach, many small pieces, recombinant versions of each other, interact to form a complex style and overall architecture.
In a similar error to that of Emperor's "Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk," there is an intrusion of narrative style to the music itself - something most recognize as condescending - as well the execution, which contains affectations of instrumental style and production production that are "old-sounding" to any trained ears.
These do not detract from the importance of the album, however: it as a whole is an advancing spiritual concept in music with many surprises to come. Classical in thematic architecture and concept, "Hlidskjalf" wears the surface of ambient soundscape while its muscles are raw, intense, nihilistic concepts in music.
from www.anus.com ------------------------------
The bashers of Black Metal are the classic retarded conservative people full of prejudgements and that look like my mom when she hears AC/DC : "What is that crap!"
SLAUGHTEROTH you are angry because you are a retard and you will never understand what Black Metal is. Its a philosophy, an attitude, a way of life. These people stood by theçir beloefs even if they had to go to jail in a stupoid world like this in were retards like you live in.
COMMENT | So what if a church is "defenceless" posted by : sonofoden77 5/21/2009 1:16:19 PM
Varg and others stood up for what they believed. Whether you agree with them or not is up to you, but they started a musical revolution, with an ideology that is heads and tails above any other musical contribution from other genres. If you don't like, go cry in a corner, but there are a lot of strong characters with VERY intelligent mindsets in the black metal realm, which obviously most of you don't belong to.
COMMENT | I won't pretend.... posted by : Korn Dawg 5/21/2009 1:19:29 PM
...to know the whole "truth" about the Norwegian scene when all that went down. Honestly, I was into Venom, Slayer and Bathory before any of it went down. By then, I wasn't into it so much.
Lords Of Chaos was a decent read in my opinion. If anything, it exposed me to some other black metal bands I had not previously heard of. Not saying I liked 'em all, but some were OK. I'll check out the movie I'm sure. And yeah, it will be condensed and sensationalized - how can it not be? Try putting years of information into 120 minutes! I think the good thing about it, is that like me, it will expose more people to the black metal scene and maybe keep the whole genre of metal alive. But I also know that some of the trve and kvlt will hate it because they dont think any black metal band should have more than 36 fans...
sure some of the original black metal bands weren't that great, but there's tons of good ones now. and then there's ambient black metal and all the sub genres with the word blackened in front of them. plenty of bands worth listening too.
That kind looks nothing like Varg whatsoever, which means they are really not taking this movie too seriously.
I think second wave BM is awesome, but the new stuff is lacking.
COMMENT | this is strange posted by : Avernus 5/21/2009 1:46:30 PM
I think that I've encountered slaughteroth elsewhere , awfully odd for someone who plays W:AoR to be throwing around words like nerd. Of course I could be mistaken and probably am.
COMMENT | mm... posted by : lokislair 5/21/2009 1:51:36 PM
I think with this movie, they are about to turn a story about the birth of a new musical genre and what to me goes as far as a sociological subject into a movie displaying every kind of gothico-satanical bullshit; more clichés to come, fellows...
COMMENT | basajun posted by : Some_Person 5/21/2009 1:53:52 PM
Thank you for that totally skippable shit that I didn't read because it was way too fuckin long.
Ahh...the Black Metal controversy rages...and amuses...
Slaughteroth: I agree...but it is still a genre of metal nonetheless, regardless of its origins. There is still some merit to be heard. IE: if it sounds good to me, I'll listen to it and enjoy it. Some Immortal comes to mind, regardless of makeup.
Although I did try to listen to Burzum once to see what all the fuss was about, and deemed it unlistenable.
COMMENT | Untitled posted by : Jim Traficant 5/21/2009 2:02:29 PM
"they are about to turn a story about the birth of a new musical genre"
No, you misread, this is not a movie about Bathory in Sweden or Hellhammer in Switzerland.
COMMENT | The book not only documents Varg and Euronymous posted by : LuckyDevil 5/21/2009 2:02:53 PM
There were other people who killed other people. Who will play them?
COMMENT | posted by : deviladvocate 5/21/2009 2:02:58 PM
Obviously, there are many posters (not all) who seem to ignore what has really come out from that first wave of Norwegian Black Metal. Sure those crimes were kind of lame or stupid, but they must be viewed in their contexts, which I doubt that movie will do, but I'll just wait to see. But the thing is, music is what has come out from this. A bunch of interesting band or artists have grown from that soil and emerged. Very talented ones, like Ulver, Arcturus, Emperor, Solefald, In the woods ..., Green Carnation, Ihsahn solo projects, and many others ... Thus, I'm not diminishing those acts like Mayhem, Darkthrone and Burzum who have made and for some still make interesting and challenging sounds. Black Metal is just not for all ears. Or minds.
COMMENT | posted by : kafkaligula 5/21/2009 2:23:39 PM
This is some of the stupidest shit to happen in cinema in a long time for me and that's saying a lot. I can see the pop black metal bands on the horizon already. This isn't going to be taken as a serious reflection on black metal, which can only be represented in a movie with non-biased interviews and performances. This is just gonna romanticize evil teenagers and create a whole new template of attitude for kids to emulate so they don't have to develop one themselves. PUKE!
All of this discussion on black metal is great. I don't know why people have to cut down and defend certain "genres" of music on internet forums, especially since genres are so loose if you just listen to a lot of albums. All the clumping and categorizing of mostly independent musical visions and battling them against other genres or trying to "understand" their meaning and accept it on a conceptual basis. The fact is if you don't like the sound of it, than you don't have a trace of blood in your body that yearns for the black metal feeling. You may not like brussel sprouts, I do. What's the difference? Just listen to the music and quit worrying about rumors and things the musicians do outside of recording and releasing stuff. If you don't like it try again later or move on. Embrace the fact that we're talking about music here and albums are pieces of art not to be diminished in musical value by the artist's social views. Would you not expect that in the most extreme and filthy forms of music would be the most likely to have musicians who act extreme? The albums themselves do nothing and they are what matter!
COMMENT | posted by : Grusome 5/21/2009 2:29:26 PM
1349 bitches
COMMENT | . posted by : stubbylater 5/21/2009 2:30:53 PM
Actually back in the day Varg was a rather dashing young lad. I bet they get the look down pretty good, with plenty of phoney hollywood sheen on top of course.
Lords of Chaos book - great read. Anyone know of Moynihan's iffy political associations? I seem to recall a few rumors but I could be totally wrong.
COMMENT | . posted by : stubbylater 5/21/2009 2:32:00 PM
Oh yeah:
Riot Act is T-Boner T-Boner is Riot Act
COMMENT | posted by : repeater 5/21/2009 2:41:27 PM
"This poor actor has his work cut out if he truly aims to capture the pathetic nature of his character."
Hahahahaha.
In any case, fuck NSBM, and fuck Count Bitchnackh.
COMMENT | HAHAHAHAHA! posted by : V Empire 5/21/2009 3:26:32 PM
Don't get me wrong I dig Black Metal, i.e Lucifugum, WITTR, BLut Aus Nord, Deathspell Omega, Dissection etc etc
BUT I will love watching the BM kids freak over this. I hope they sell copies of this DVD in Hot Topic, just to see how many of you really cool/underground BM kids explode because of this.
varg vikrenes is a facist, racist, psychopatic, un-talented arse. he is right though, all this movie is going to do is add to the myth, i think if we just ignore the whole thing...... it will go away. unless the movie points out what a ridicilous knob he is then it's not worth a shite.
COMMENT | metalupthemofingass and detective rosanegra posted by : Avernus 5/21/2009 3:57:52 PM
Are you suggesting that black metal fans are posers for twisting the ideology supported by black metal bands, or are you calling black metal itself a poser-culture for actually trying to make a statement about their dissenting opinion of religion?
If the former, then what do you actually know about black metal fans to make that statement? last time i checked emo and black metal don't have a goddamn thing in common, they don't sound the same musically, and they don't deal with the same subject matter lyrically. I think that both the death metal fans and black metal fans can agree that emo has bastardized music just by referring to their form of it as "emotional". the fact is that all music is emotional. Anger is an emotion, one that will find its way into every metal song ever written, be it death or black or whatever. But I digress, you've clearly formed your opinion of black metal by deciding that corpsepaint is silly, and then somehow compared that to emo music. Not really following your logic there, or perhaps the fact that logic is completely missing from your statement is why I am confused. Corpsepaint was originally used to visually differentiate black metal bands from bands that played death metal or whatever else they wanted to separate themselves from. Can you really blame them? They wanted to make music built around an idea, not around the fucking/killing of various people/animals. And it worked.
Also you used the word "trooly" and then put it in parentheses. you're the one who used that word. You aren't quoting anyone. What the fuck is wrong with you?
COMMENT | posted by : TheEagle 5/21/2009 4:19:49 PM
Forget "Lords Of Chaos", this book is a waste of paper if you're looking for a document on what happened in Norway back then. It's an interesting read if you're into gossiping and hype.
Varg was right about it and it's a sad thing to know he can't do much from stopping people trying to shoot this film. It will be a massive letdown of course, unless they'd ask the main characters to get involved in the script (and they'd never do that, of course).
Crap, indeed...
COMMENT | Lords Of Chaos posted by : savagedamage 5/21/2009 5:21:19 PM
The first half of the book, the part on Satanic Music's history, was cool. The rest of the book blew. Burzum sucks. Burning churches is awesome!!!
COMMENT | commentary on this article posted by : spinelanguage 5/21/2009 5:32:56 PM
COMMENT | Unbelieveable posted by : element22ag 5/21/2009 5:34:05 PM
If all the racist sayings about Varg are right, then he deserves to die for corrupting thousands of minds with his worthless life. He shouldn't be allowed the luxury of recording music, writing books, or publicity on any level.
I feel the same way about a large portion of metal fans being scumbags, and they tend to be the ones who dislike black metal. They dislike it because they don't understand it. They take it on face value, usually say they hate black metal but then the only band they can come up with is Dimmu Borgir and how they're somehow sell-outs for becoming popular, then they make a joke about corpsepaint. The slightly better informed ones mention Gorgoroth, but then they misspell or mispronounce it "Gaygoroth". Who's ignorant in that scenario? As far as hating religion goes, there is nothing immature about that. Religion isn't like race or sexual preference, hating religion isn't like hating people. Being a racial minority isn't a point of view, but religion is. When black metal trashes religion, they are speaking out against the ideas that religion promotes, not the people. A few black metal musicians have destroyed churches, but they didn't burn them down with people inside. Also, I'm not sure if there are that many pre-teens who like black metal, they're the ones calling it gay.
COMMENT | posted by : PickHarmonic 5/21/2009 10:05:11 PM
Jesus Christ....
COMMENT | posted by : LaiLaiHei 5/21/2009 11:06:02 PM
QUEEN LATIFAH FOR HELLHAMMER!
COMMENT | Well, here goes with my 2 cents worth... posted by : baligon 5/22/2009 1:35:28 AM
I haven't really kept up to date with much in the way of Black Metal, but during the early 1990s there were some amazing sounds being created. Much of the music docimented in the book Lords Of Chaos was nothing short of groundbreaking. Some of it pure genius. Samael, Emperor, Tiamat, man! Those bands defined, transcended, and later left behind the genre known as black metal. As a book Lords Of Chaos is one of the most fascinating reads. The whole Vikernes killing Euronymous subject alone is just mindblowing. And that's merely the tip of the iceberg. If you have never read it you know not what you are missing. That holds true regardless of your opinions of the subject matter it deals with. As for Varg Vikernes, the book shows him to be contradicting, at times almost insincere, in regard to his convictions, actions, beliefs. One has to question the reason for this contradicting portrait of a man so infamous. Is he in fact sometimes a bit of a flake or is his character being assassinated as he claims? Well I cannot even offer an opinion there. But on the subject of Burzum I can say that it is some of the most epic music ever put to Tape or CD. The man is obviously a musical genius, despite anything else he may or may not be. I look forward to this film project, even though the guy cast as Vikernes appears to be a twit. I wonder what kind of a slant the film will have toward the characters and their actions. How is Vikernes vs Euronymous all that different than Tupac Shakur vs Biggie? Both of those guys were contemptable scumbags (in terms of their actions/beliefs/convictions) yet they have been immortalized and even glamourized. Tssk Tssk. No wonder the world economy is plunging down the sh**er. Eh, I guess I got off subject abit there. Lords Of Chaos being made into film is something to look forward to. Again, if you have not yet given the book a read do so ASAP.
COMMENT | wtf posted by : satansnutsack 5/22/2009 5:56:03 AM
everytime theres a post about black metal the dickheads realy come out aye?man im like totaly furious.get a life.cant everybody have fun with out all this boo hooin?i love black metal,hate burzum.
COMMENT | HAHAHA posted by : Muerte666 5/22/2009 8:06:18 AM
I love black metal, but its fans are a bunch of nerdy fanboys.
I hope this movie is a huge success and leads to the creation of tons of black metalcore bands just so you guys can be pissed off and bitch about it all day.
Slaughteroth, your comments reek of insecurity. It's obvious that nobody really cares to read your biased generalization of Black Metal. Are you so arrogant as to assume your comments will actually deter ones musical preference?
How about you pipe the fuck down and grow up, k.
Same goes for anybody else ignorant enough to post comments of such blunt stupidity.
COMMENT | Sadness... posted by : Per-Yngve-Ohlin 5/26/2009 1:12:02 AM
this will just eliminate whatever is left of black metal..
COMMENT | posted by : mimesis 5/29/2009 8:34:01 PM
I don't think this movie, vile slander or not, is really going to change anyone's views on the guy or on black metal in general. Most of the people going to see it probably won't know what the significance of any of these events was, and the rest will have already formed unchangeable views beforehand. So just treat it as another summer movie and see what happens. And if anyone's dumb enough to let a (probably largely fictionalized/embellished) movie change what they think about these things, then they were probably a lost cause to begin with, so it doesn't change much. I, for one, am interested to see Jackson Rathbone try to play something other than a wide-eyed bag of angst.
COMMENT | Heh posted by : RedFox742 6/1/2009 1:09:25 PM
I just want to see who they cast as Dead. Someone who can SKKREEEAAMMM?
This movie should be a hilarious blast, will fictionalize everything, piss off BM-freaks and TR00-ists, and overall ought to be a good two hours enjoying psychos in corpsepaint stabbin' each other.
COMMENT | Not sure how I feel about this.... posted by : Artist7 6/24/2009 3:21:46 PM
As a long-time metal fan, I feel I am fairly well versed enough to throw in my two cents. I have not been into the Satan thing so much nor Burzum, but love Slayer and Bathory from way back. I have to agree with the detractors of this movie. Let this lie, Varg served his sentence (not enough for murder!), and the use of Rathbone in the lead role will bring out the horde of little teenies that will latch on the Varg's persona due to the fact that he was/is a handsome Nordic guy. I am a female so I feel comfortable admitting that; not a wise decision maker and more than a little kookie, but good looking.
The Scandinavian & Finnish metal scenes already have an influx of little girls who have no clue. Now the fires (no pun intended) will be stoked again to open up all of the wounds. What's next a movie about Dead (RIP) from Mayhem - I hope not. Tragic. Although I think a film about Chuck from Death would counteract any negativity that this is going to cause. But, that wouldn't make the filmmakers bucks - he was too much of a good guy.
Isn't this one of the things that attracted us to metal in the first place - the poser horde would not follow us there. That is how I ended up here, the trendier something got the harder, louder, faster and darker I went.
Great, I can see it now, all the soccer moms at work that are 'so' into Twilight will now be wearing Mayhem shirts on casual Friday's and asking to sync from my MP3 player! You know how us Americans love a bandwagon! Can you see them hounding Varg now to come walk the red carpet at the premier. Too much.
I do have to admit it will be interesting to see who is cast as Dead and the others just for laughs. You know they
There are no Lords of Chaos.....That's why they died or went to prison.
COMMENT | ^Woops posted by : Artist7 6/24/2009 3:39:46 PM
Looks like I lost my train of thought on a sentence in my post. Sorry, I was getting carried away. Duh!
COMMENT | hmmm... posted by : Der Infanterist 7/17/2009 11:00:27 PM
Could it be Euronymous' revenge?
COMMENT | *facepalm* posted by : Apokalypsen 7/24/2009 12:46:30 AM
Well, I for one am completely looking forward to the flood of 14 year old mallgoths who are going to follow this movie like every other movie Hot Topic has gotten a hold of. Don't get me wrong, their cd and shirt selections can be alright sometimes, but mostly it's just a bit awkward walking in there wearing a Shining shirt and having someone say "I love that movie!". I'm not taking sides on the argument of the facts in the book being misconstrued, because I don't really care about that.
Lately I've stopped talking to people about music, because all anyone does is argue. Your music taste is not any better than the next person's just because you can name over 9000 bands in that genre. No one can argue with you on your music taste, because they aren't you. With the release of this movie will be a new era of pretentious (misinformed) idiots who think they know about black metal. Not to mention the Twilighters.
Inb4 someone argues with me on my opinion, completely ignoring the fact that you can't argue with what someone thinks. People have been trying to do it for as long as the world has existed, and it doesn't work.
COMMENT | biased posted by : hjaldrgegnir 7/25/2009 7:42:47 AM
i think its kind of fucked up how all u guys are labeling varg a murderer and shit when u dont know what really happened
euronymous didnt like varg because he thought vargs pagan beliefs werent "black metal" enough for the genres "satanic" direction and he thought varg was undeserving of his growing fanbase, he also didnt like varg because varg was pissed at him for closing down his shop and not paying the roughly 5100 US dollars he owed him
ya granted, varg did talk shit on euronymous for beeing an asshole to everybody in bergen but thats only because he was an asshole, nobody liked euronymous, he was an insane prick
so all that shit happened and euronymous(because he was fucking insane) told his friend he planned to torture varg and video tape his murder
meenwhile, varg had to go to euronymous' house in oslo to sign some papers regarding burzums distribution of cds, but euronymous' friend(who apparently started to get annoyed with his bullshit) warned varg about euronymous wanting to kill him
so, varg and his friend drove from bergen to oslo to get the papers signed, they stopped in front of his house varg admitted he did want to beat the shit out of him but the plan was to get the paper signed and get it over with
he knocked on euronymous' door and euronymous attacked him, so varg through him on the ground, euronymous then went to the kitchen to grab a knife on the table
varg had a pocket knife and wasnt about to fight a murderous knife wielding psychopath empy handed, so they fought and varg stabbed him in self defense
END OF STORY
FUCK EURONYMOUS, HE WAS A SATANIC PSYCHO FUCKING FREAK
as far as vargs racism, hes grown out of that, that was pretty much a prison thing, he resently stated he can be considered a racist but he really doesnt hate anyone
which pretty much means he is just for preserving his culture and heritage thats why hes a pagan and NOT A SATANIST like that asshole who tried to kill him
as a fan of all kinds of metal(except that finnish crap and power metal) i just want to say this, black metal is hard to understand if u dont know much about it
i used to hate burzum and thought black metal was a joke, but it actually is just misunderstood cuz of all this fucked up gay publisity it gets, and im sure this dumb fucking movie isnt gonna help
COMMENT | GET OVER IT posted by : Ansom666 8/14/2009 8:16:14 PM
Burzum was not the lead band in the BM underground, Mayhem was. Even though Euronymous was a jerk (which he was), he nevertheless convinced and influenced all the greatest BM bands to turn to BM. Darkthrone used to be a fucking Death metal band. Varg hated him because he was a jerk and squandered money. Euronymous panicked at the sight of varg and was unarmed. He kicked Varg and Varg pulled out a knife. Black Metal is something that must have it's ideals spread. it is the true, honorable message if people actually understand it. This has the chance of being a Fantastic movie. I have seen movies for almost many types of music from Johnny Cash to fucking Woodstock. All great movies, im sure facts were a bit sketchy, but good nonetheless and mostly true. This is BM's chance to gain followers. We should not miss up the chance. This movie will be a learning experience. Let the world see what we are. WE ARE NOT COWARDS. WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR.
Of course, it's totally pointless! BM doesn't have to be explained, especially by shit-factory hollywood, (burzum and hollywood, never would have imagined that!), it has to be genuinely felt and experienced from the inside. By the way, neglect, element22ag, timothyttomilson, flowingcrimson, jim traficant, please follow dead's example: kill yourself!! For all the others know nothing about black metal or think it's unlistenable: good!! It's not for you!!
COMMENT | hmm... posted by : quintessence87 12/26/2009 8:39:26 AM
how about we get our information from the correct sources, and quit bitching about how nobody knows anything when you, are the ones that probably dont know. and black metal has too many different interpretations, and messages. overall its a great genre witih many different meanings. everyone for their own! no true black metal fan bashes the roots. lords of chaos was an alright book, and i'm curious to see this movie. and yeah hedoesnt look like varg but im guessing througout most of the movie, it would be varg younger seeing as the lords of chaos story of varg and euronymous mostly takes place when it all began.
COMMENT | AND posted by : quintessence87 12/26/2009 8:44:24 AM
who cares who the lead of the early black metal scene was? they all took place and created the foundation for brutality,and i think you all take the hatred and anti-life anti-human black metal scene a little too seriously... and there is a fine line between murdering someone and doing it in self-defense. i think varg crossed that line after the concluding 22 stabs.
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