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CRYPTOPSY Vs. Internet Detractors: 'It's Dinner Time'
- July 3, 2008
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Canadian extreme metallers CRYPTOPSY have uploaded a "mock track" on their MySpace page called "It's Dinner Time", apparently poking fun at the group's former "fans" who have slammed the band's recent shift in musical direction. CRYPTOPSY drummer Flo Mounier recently spoke to Decibel magazine about the changes in the band's sound on its just-released new CD, "The Unspoken King". "The Unspoken King" is CRYPTOPSY's first album to feature keyboardist/samplist Maggy Durand ( HOWLING SYN; she has since left CRYPTOPSY) and vocalist Matt McGachy, who is also a member of 3 MILE SCREAM. "This was part of the idea we had when we started working on the new material," Flo told Decibel. "First, we wanted a keyboard/sample player who could add a little more live atmosphere. As far as a singer, we were just fed up with monotonous [makes staccato grunting noises] sound through whole albums. I'm a big fan of dynamics in music and creating diversity. We wanted something really extreme in some parts, but with melodics and ambience in others. We're not planning on using clean vocals all that much, but we wanted someone who could, just in case." He continued, "First, it's going to be the best-sounding CRYPTOPSY album. It'll be the 'tastiest' and most mature; all the parts are there for a reason and everything fits really well. Vocally, it'll be the most diverse CRYPTOPSY album; there will be a whole slew of screams, growls and voices." He added, "I'm a fan of different sorts of music, and think it's most fun when a band puts out an album that has elements of everything; you get this thing called diversity, not boredom. That's what we're trying to do. Still, I think people are going to be surprised how brutal this album is."
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COMMENT | They just don't get it
posted by : Towelie
7/3/2008 5:08:59 AM
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Fuck that band! The problem most of the fans have is not that they did something NEW or something DIVERSE, the problem we have is that they jumped on the goddamn Metalcore bandwagon. It's not NEW or CREATIVE or ORIGINAL at all, it's fucking generic Mallcore. I would have loved to hear something innovative from Cryptopsy, no matter how far away from Death Metal they would have gone, but not this stupid trend shit!!!
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COMMENT | Lol
posted by : thatoneguy
7/3/2008 5:20:18 AM
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That track was actually pretty funny, I laughed.
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COMMENT |
posted by : Thared33
7/3/2008 5:21:44 AM
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I actually couldn't agree more with Towelie, as bluntly as he put it.
We're not detractors, and we're not full of shit. You mean tell me that EVERY single person that has some kind of complaint about the new material is automatically full of shit if they think it's not up to par with the older stuff? Sometimes, your fans can raise valid complaints.
I'm not one to bash a band left and right, so with this new Cryptopsy album, I simply won't buy it and won't support what you're doing now (because I don't care for it).
If someone would just admit it already, that the band has 'changed' a little, then it'd be perfectly fine, because it's the truth. There's nothing wrong with changing (if you want to go into that direction), but denying blatantly obvious things left and right is why you're getting bashed so hard.
There's some 'nu' and some 'core' in your material, end of discussion.
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posted by : Thared33
7/3/2008 5:25:38 AM
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The thing is...
I find it extremely funny that everyone is like, "dude, there's some -core in the new Cryptopsy.", and Cryptopsy is just straight up, "huh? what? what are you talking about? this is ultra brutal extreme guttural death metal".
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COMMENT | Re: Toweile
posted by :
7/3/2008 5:25:53 AM
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Well then don't listen to it. nobody is forcing you. Its like everytime any band tries to do something new somebody always has to start whining, crying, shitting their pants and write long posts about how wrong everything is about this band.
Maybe the album sucks, maybe not. I don't really care, but I do get a little tired of all kids that just cant handle that somebody wants to try something new. Cryptopsy trying to get a little bit more "diverse" is nothing new. Time to get over it. Download some porn and jack off or something, but please stop whining in every post and do this baby crying (like I am doing now).
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COMMENT | okay...
posted by :
7/3/2008 5:40:40 AM
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If they really didn't give a shit what the fans think about the new material, no matter how much they rag on it...
Why the fuck did they care enough about it to do a parody song?
Insecurity and shame is a bitch. Any credibility Cryptopsy had left is now totally gone.
I can't wait to see in 5 years what people will be saying when they realize all this core-crap was a stupid, insignificant, "springboard" trend to another valid and visceral form of metal... if history has taught us anything it's that TRENDHOPPING DOES NOT WORK. "Cold Lake", anyone?
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COMMENT | furthermore...
posted by :
7/3/2008 5:41:57 AM
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Flo needs to STOP explaining himself.
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COMMENT | Re: TheBigDick
posted by : Towelie
7/3/2008 5:43:55 AM
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So, you obviously didn't read my post. I'd have gladly embraced anything new or innovative. Cryptopsy have always been a band that pushed the boundaries of Death Metal, and to be a fan of Cryptopsy you had to be open-minded, because they did so many weird things an old school Death Metal type of person could never have digested. But what they did is incorporate an already existing style that happens to be trendy right now. That's what sucks so much about it. I was actually looking forward to more ambient/atmospheric stuff when they announced they'd get a keyboardist. I thought they'd enter new territory with this album, but all they did was adding Metalcore to their sound.
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COMMENT | This band always sucked
posted by : Nihil.50cal
7/3/2008 6:07:07 AM
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I just want to say I've never been a fan of the Cryptopsy style or any of the bands that fall under their similar category. To me, that style has always been a total bore! But to each their own... and for them to think their fans are nobodys, they better fucking think again! Just because we only listen and not create, it is we, the people that make or break their frickin bands PERIOD! With out true listeners, they have shite!
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COMMENT | Will I...
posted by : xSerpentx07
7/3/2008 7:00:38 AM
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get flamed if I said I actually like "The Unspoken King"?
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COMMENT |
posted by :
7/3/2008 7:34:51 AM
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I just seem them at Summer of Slaughter in Detroit....
And their vocalist is absolutely terrible.
They didn't play any of the songs they sang in(thankfully).
Yeah but Cryptopsy most definitely changed for the worse. I'm sure they all sat around and said "Now that Worm's gone, we're tired of being broke as fuck and want to actually make money doing this."
And thats exactly what they're trying to do.
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COMMENT | the bottom line here......
posted by :
7/3/2008 7:35:31 AM
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ive been listening to metal in one form or another for like 13 years now so this opinion of mine is not formed because i started listening to fucking Atreyu last year and all my buddies like to karate dance.
when you flat out say something sucks youre just being rude as fuck. im also a musician. i make whatever music i want to make. i dont give a fuck what people think. my music is my baby. I believe thats probably how Cryptopsy feels too.
There is a great deal of bands i dont care for. Im not gonna say they suck. They may obviously not be as talented as other certain metal bands. They may obviously not be living to the spirit of rock and metal which is doing what you want and making something rebellious. Live and let live.
I will now defend the cryptopsy album in that kids definition of what you call a bands sound changes EVERY 5 FUCKING MINUTES. anyone else remember when fear factory was considered melodic death metal?
I thought metalcore was the shit like Killswitch engage. That certainly doesnt sound like cryptopsy. Ive found the new cryptopsy album probably one of their most entertaining because there is a solid definite groove on the songs. Flo's drumming is shining at its best and most diverse on this album, the solos are top notch.
Im sorry what crowd are they trying to cater to?
If you werent fucking around on your keyboard and left the house and saw them live you would see the as soon as they hit the stage the scene kids clear the floor.
If you dont like the new cryptopsy and fill like a void has now been placed in the genre go start a band and make what you want to hear like i did. Good luck finding a drummer as amazing as Flo.
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COMMENT | Doesnt matter how you slice it....
posted by : LordIrish
7/3/2008 9:34:33 AM
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New album doesn't hold a candle to the older material... Im not saying they are not talented (Flo being world class)... its just missing that "special" extreme, edgy, element. If you are a old school Cryptopsy fan you understand. The only thing I agree with is that Lord Worm needed to go as he was getting a little long in the tooth. Lost ability to make high pitched phaser sounds. I've really tried to get this new stuff just too much competition for my ears theses days.
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COMMENT | Hey Flo
posted by :
7/3/2008 9:44:10 AM
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It's not the fact that you want to try something different that pissed us off.
It's the fact that you guys WERE something different and now sound like a generic metalcore band.
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COMMENT | eyesofset
posted by :
7/3/2008 10:18:19 AM
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Rude or not sometimes stuff does flat out suck sure you can try to find some positives in it but if you think its 100% shit then that is your opinion. That is being a musician not everyone is going to like what you do or say positive things about it. You simply enjoy the good and ignore the bad. The whole reason this Cryptopsy thing has gone on is because the band has disrespected all of the old fans or anyone who doesn't like this album. Flo was bashing them and name calling even before the album came out. This continues to this day now with this mock song. They are trying to piss on all the people that made them any source of income to be able to continue as a band for all these years. Its not about the music here but integrity. So what the people think your new album sucks but don't bash your diehard fans because they think so and call them names. People just put things into place and made an opinion based on evidence they saw. They saw a band suddenly get keybards/samples and a new vocalist who was in a metalcore band. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that there are three thousand of these bands out there and it seems to be the "in" thing among some metal fans. It is all over headbangers ball and Revolver magazine. They should have just said look we are tired of making hardly and money off this and we want to try to make some for a change by taking a "current" approach to our metal music and adding some of those elements. They should have the understood some fans would be pissed. They should have been the "bigger person" here and said nothing. They should have just put the album out and did their touring and promotion as with any other album. Instead we get Flo bashing people and now a joke song. So I say FUCK YOU to this band as well. Without these people you bashed you would be working at a Canadian McDonalds with the rest of the band. I hope this fails just because of Flo and his big mouth and the bands piss poor attitude to people that made them what they are.
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COMMENT | say what you want
posted by :
7/3/2008 10:28:40 AM
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if i were in flos position id probably be a little pissed and bitch too. they dont sound like the core bands because the core bands cant even touch cryptopsys musicianship.
like i said before. first shit out of peoples mouth was how much new cryptopsy sucks and i would say fuck you in his position as well.
bottom line still stands. if you dont like something, instead of being a bitch and running your mouth make something yourself and prove yourself better. easier said than done.
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COMMENT | more bullshit about this bullshit
posted by :
7/3/2008 10:56:18 AM
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People have the right to their own opinion.
As an enormous fan of Cryptopsy since 1996 (Blasphemy Made Flesh being my favorite) I can say the vast, vast VAST majority of us are not sugarcoating the situation at all. The new album has no good songs, all the riffs are bland and once again the entire thing sounds like generic core garbage.
Rubbing it in the fans faces by doing a parody song is totally disrespectful of their opinions and support. And it shows they are actually affected by the bad reaction to the new material. I don't understand why bands don't just change their name when they do shit like this.
It doesn't matter how many scene kids run away from the floor when Cryptopsy goes on stage. I never gave a shit about scene kids anyway. All that matters is the riffs. When metalheads world over realize this, we'll have less crappy attention whoring trendhopping bands and more innovation and groundbreaking metal music like what happened in the early 90s.
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COMMENT |
posted by : militia
7/3/2008 11:07:19 AM
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Does Cryptopsy have to rewrite the same album over and over again to satisfy everyone? Seriously. Change is inevitable, deal with it. The Unspoken King isn't a bad album at all. It's only bad if you're a closed-minded music snob.
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COMMENT | Where the fuck....
posted by : -gODGRINDER-
7/3/2008 11:14:21 AM
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...does anyone get off calling this "metalcore?"
I've listened to that entire CD multiple times, and I don't hear any breakdowns, shout-outs, monotone vocal rants, or any other indicators of the "bro-osity" factor that defines "metalcore."
Clean vocals alone a metalcore album do not make. The haters are wrong on this one.
I think the production is a lot more polished and the fretboard acrobatics are toned down a bit from their previous stuff. But I see absolutely nothing wrong with this album.
In fact, I really like it.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
7/3/2008 12:09:18 PM
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I was expecting to hear a full length original song that Cryptopsy actually wrote to mock the detractors, but that was just the sample they played when they came onstage at summer slaughter, it's really no big deal. I thought it was funny when i was at the show. If they actually put a shit ton of effort into mocking their former fans, I might say they need take the high road and shut up. As for the new album, I like it, but I do wish they had changed the name. I think it was a lapse of judgement to put that much emo on a cryptopsy album. I like the idea of experamenting, but I hope they take a differnt approach next time. Like a said before, how about string instruments? voilins or harps would be great for cryptopsy, and I'm not joking one bit.
MY DYING BRIDE!!!!
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COMMENT | one more thing...
posted by :
7/3/2008 12:11:30 PM
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the singing voice he uses in "Leach" should be used more often than his emo voice. Seriously, lets try some different styles of clean singing if Cryptopsy must have it at all.
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COMMENT | What do you expect
posted by :
7/3/2008 12:12:34 PM
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from the French. Humility? Please, effete attitudes are all you get.
Of course, we, the customers of extreme music, are full of shit. What a wanker.
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COMMENT |
posted by : parricide
7/3/2008 1:24:47 PM
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yeah im going to the summer slaughter tour, but im going to leave when they come on :)
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COMMENT |
posted by : Blast Beat Butchery
7/3/2008 1:53:38 PM
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I think the new album is the best thing they've ever done (...and yes I have been a fan for many many years). The majority of the detractors are being painfully and monumentally unenlightened. Kudos to Cryptopsy for having the vision and balls to do something like that. If you hate the album, fine. Don't listen to it. But don't hate it for the sole purpose that it's not the same ol' bullshit that Cryptopsy has been doin since the beginning of their career.
No need to post lengthy explanations about how death metal is supposed to be this or that...believe me, I understand the mindset. I have been listening to the genre since before most of you were shat out of your mothers' vaginas.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
7/3/2008 2:02:39 PM
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Hey, Flo, I got your dinner right here, behind my zipper. It's been slow marinating in my boxers this whole time.
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COMMENT | Everyone acts like change is such a big deal.
posted by : NORDIC VISION AND NORDIC METAL
7/3/2008 2:47:17 PM
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When alot of bands really put there fans to the test, if there in the fan base for the right reason, or whatever.
Think of the genre bait and switch changes from Metallica, Samuel, The Gathering, and Ulver.
The only reason I can support those changes myself, is because I just have been lucky enough to snag every CD I wanted, and not really worry about where any band falls in the rock vs metal classification.
Would we really be happy if EVERY band followed the "if it any broke don't fix it" mentality of AC/ DC or Motorhead ????
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COMMENT | Here's the thing...
posted by :
7/3/2008 2:56:39 PM
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I'm sure hoping that Flo is NEVER planning on going back to Cryptopsy's old style. The fans that this record cater to will NEVER grow into fans of technical death metal. And the same time, they have effectively alienated all of their old fans of there style.
See, it's not that we have bad taste or are resistant to change or whatever. It's that we became fans of Cryptopsy because we like technical death metal and Cryptopsy, in my opinion, were one of the best. Now there is nothing wrong with a band changing their style....but when a band makes a change like that, it's common for the fans to be a little hesitant and maybe even a little pissed off. See, the big thing is that they went from a genre where there are few bands in, with even fewer who could do as well as them, to an overly saturated genre with hundreds if not thousands of bands, most of which do it 100x BETTER than them.
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COMMENT | MetalHeads local Union 666
posted by : NORDIC VISION AND NORDIC METAL
7/3/2008 3:33:44 PM
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I have a empathy and understanding of what your saying. I just disagree with the last sentence.
The Metalcore style is so overstaturated with millions of useless bands no one really stands out, except that's sub- genre leaders.
Maybe they tackled that sub-genre, because they were frustrated of a lack of world-class bands in it, like in the good ole days, ala Cryptic Slaughter, DRI, Discharge, The Expolited any one who could mix punk with metal in a awesome songwriting/ riffing way.
Myself I am more VINTAGE Motorhead/ Black Sabbath/ Mercyful Fate/ Metallica than say Atheist/ Cryptospsy or anyone doing kick ass killler tech-death metal.
Cryptopsy is moving MORE in the direction of how I appreciate punk rock/ heavy metal, so that is why I am not so upset.
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COMMENT |
posted by : hense
7/3/2008 3:49:19 PM
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Cryptopsy didn't change 'genre', they just moved a little bit like they've done before with every album. The clean vocals sound metal, not hardcore, and if you don't hear that, than you just don't know what you're talking about. "The Unspoken King" is still technical death metal, but different. That makes it more interesting than the hundreds of Suffocation clones around. Get off your high 'technical death metal' horse and listen, it's a very good - but not great - album. The growls are not far from "Whisper Supremacy", so if you liked that singer, give it a chance.
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COMMENT |
posted by : CarcPazu
7/3/2008 4:49:53 PM
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My fav albums are Blasphemy Made Flesh and None So Vile and I don't see a fucking problem with the new album. You guys are clearly over reacting.
I can see where they are going and I don't feel it's a bad thing.
The album is still fucking brutal with tons of intricate guitar riffs. Personnaly I don't miss Lord Worm, his time was done.
Flo is right to react like this, you guys are little fucking babies, this is just an album, next one could be even more different. Flo isn't bashing the fans, he's bashing the damn whinny bitches that really deserved it. gg
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COMMENT |
posted by :
7/3/2008 4:54:30 PM
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All I can say is this.
I heard this from a friend of mine, and I didn't buy the album. I just dismissed them.
Now, if I had paid $16 for this, I'd be absolutely pissed... to the point of ripshit.
If it was interesting (in a GOOD way, mind you, not "interesting" as in watching a trainwreck), I'd be more open-minded.
This is just a bad album.
For Flo and co. to be talking smack to their old fans like they are is not only childish, but goes to show that they really could give less of a shit about their history, and that is what the fans have a problem with.
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COMMENT |
posted by : gunnarcannibal
7/3/2008 4:56:40 PM
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You see bands like Celtic Frost, Metallica and Opeth are good at being diverse because they are great song writers first...Cryptopsy are amazing players but they aren't strong song writers which never really mattered to me because their music was so abrasive and insane...this is just an attempt to fit into a boring scene...LOAD was a successful attempt at trying out something different for reasons that made no sense to fans of the band (even when Lars was wearing his gay big bird jacket and eyeliner ) because the songs were good and that album came from an honest desire to attempt something different, it wasn't like Metallica were broke or unpopular, and yeah people were pissed and those people will most likely be pissed forever but at the same time Metallica added fans and showed that they could still suprise people… This new Cryptopsy just isn't interesting, if it were good I wouldn't care about clean vocals...it just sucks and it seems like they just really needed to pay some bills...
Pretty much every band who pulls something like this ends up fucked in the end and they have start re-building their empire from scratch...look what happened to Megadeth, who are still crawing out of the wreckage of Risk...It is like if you fucked a pig once, even if you swear to never do it again, your friends will never look at you the same way again
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COMMENT | eyeofset
posted by :
7/4/2008 3:01:15 AM
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i hate it when people use the argument that unless "you can make music better yourself then dont bitch about it." That's a terrible argument to make. Cryptopsy, like every other band, makes music for the masses to listen to. If people don't like it it or dont like the direction a band is going, they have every right to bitch and complain. the only time an argument like yours is valid is if one of the haters says something like "anyone can make music like that." then they're putting themselves on the same level or higher than the band.
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COMMENT | oh and...
posted by :
7/4/2008 3:03:01 AM
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fuck cryptopsy for that "song" they posted. instead of patching things up with many of your disgruntled fans you end up making things worse. way to be the bigger man assholes.
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COMMENT | hmm
posted by :
5/23/2009 4:28:29 PM
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so your telling me deathcore is diverse and creative?????,oh and it just happens to be the biggest trend in the metal scene at the same time...ya that's sensible....oh and it's also very smart to trash all your real fans then say your new album is more mature....ya that's not hypocritical..sounds like selling out to me...have fun being trend mangling sheep ....R.I.P Cryptopsy
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