POISON singer Bret Michaels has responded to DEF LEPPARD frontman Joe Elliott's assertion that bands like POISON and MÖTLEY CRÜE paid more attention to their image than their songwriting during the '80s as a way to cover up the fact that there was "no substance in their music."
During the June 6 press conference at the Sweden Rock Festival in Sölvesborg, Sweden, Joe Elliott was asked how DEF LEPPARD managed to avoid getting caught up in the whole "glam-rock" scene of the '80s even after citing such image-oriented artists as MICK RONSON, DAVID BOWIE and T.REX as major influences.
"If you actually look at the way that the 'glam' bands, if you want to call it that, from Los Angeles dressed themselves up, they totally missed the point," Elliott replied. "When English glam bands from the '70s came on 'Top of the Pops' [long-running British music chart television program], it was almost an afterthought to what they were actually doing — music always came first, and then they'd be like, 'What are we gonna wear?' . . . Bowie was very image-driven, and maybe the music came second, but a lot of the other bands, it was always about the music — the image thing was just something that they did to just upstage other bands on 'Top of the Pops'; that's what they used to do. So we were never driven to do the mascara thing or whatever these bands did. They didn't have any substance musically, I don't think, in comparison to us, so we didn't feel we needed to do it. Bands that do that are doing it to cover up the fact that there is no substance in their music. The only band — and I'm not saying it because we're here — the only band that did pull it off was [Finland's] HANOI ROCKS. I thought HANOI ROCKS were a good band, and they looked… Michael Monroe [HANOI frontman] was one of the best… I would have shagged him. [Laughs] I like Michael, I think he's sexy, and I'm not gay. And I think Andy McCoy [HANOI guitarist] does the best kind of Keith Richards... so much better than MÖTLEY CRÜE or POISON or any of those bands. They [HANOI ROCKS] were real — the rest of the guys, it was all a bit fake for me."
On June 7, Bret Michaels held his own press conference at the Sweden Rock Festival and was asked by Dimitris Barbas of the Greek webzine Rocking.gr to respond to Joe Elliott's remarks.
"Well, I didn't hear the comment, but I can say this: all I do is I sit around and play music and do stuff [related to music]," Bret replied. "I know DEF LEPPARD, for some reason, they get a kick out of wanting to knock every band. My thing in life is not about knocking any music. I mean, obviously, I'm saying this for POISON, we have not sold out, and continuously, for 20 years every arena because we care about just our appearance. The music comes first. You've gotta like 'Talk Dirty to Me' and 'Nothing but a Good Time'. And if I'm gonna go out on stage and put on a good show and play… First of all, that band [DEF LEPPARD] shouldn't be knocking anyone about their music since they just did a show called 'Dancing with the Stars' in the U.S. and they got crucified because they fucking lip-synched the entire show, so before they bust anyone's balls, I've never lip-synched a fucking thing in my life — ever! That's what makes it so funny for me, because why would you wanna bust anyone's balls? It's all of us trying to make music and do it together, and I think if you crucify somebody, it's like the pot calling the kettle black. But I have nothing against them — I like their music, and I'm sorry they feel that way. I don't wanna put HANOI ROCKS down — I know a couple of their songs, and they're really good music — but I think POISON, when you see tonight when we play, there's nothing… You walk around our stage — there's nothing behind. Everyone's out there singing and playing. For better or for worse, it's all real."
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COMMENT | BRET MICHAELS Vs. JOE ELLIOTT posted by : Scotts_Orange_Juice 7/14/2008 10:01:03 AM
Uhhhh.....neither one!
This would make a good rasslin' match though
COMMENT | posted by : maidenfan08 7/14/2008 10:06:43 AM
both are good.. 80's glam RULES!!!!
Fuck today's poser infested music
COMMENT | Hahahahahahahahaha posted by : AsLongAsTheRavenFlies 7/14/2008 10:09:29 AM
Poison's music has no substance but Def Leppard DOES? That's the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. They both suck.
2 HAS BEEN frontmen talking smack!!! All we need is Axl Rose in the mix and it should be set...maybe axl and bret can trade rogaine?
COMMENT | Pot, meet Kettle. Kettle, this is Pot. posted by : THRASHMONGER 7/14/2008 10:12:45 AM
The songs on the first two Def Leppard album kick ass, and greatly outweigh anything Poison's recorded career.
HOWEVER, despite being a poofy transvestite, CC Deville is an absolute murderer on the guitar, and has more talent than everyone in Leppard combined.
That being said, both bands can drop the fuck dead.
COMMENT | posted by : Rimouski kicks your ass 7/14/2008 10:17:54 AM
maidenfan08 makes a good point, that many bands today spend as much time fixing their hair as they do playing music. Which is why I really liked the trash/death metal fashion--or lack thereof. You just let your hair grow, and wear some used t-shirt with cheap jogging pants. No bullshit, no pretend, you dress on stage excatly the way you dress in real life; and it takes you about one second every morning to decide what to wear, with the main question being "does it stink too much for me to wear it today?" Ah, and NO makeup whatsoever.
COMMENT | "we have not sold out" ??????? posted by : dhanishattuck 7/14/2008 10:43:18 AM
Bullshit.
Here's the big difference between Poison and Def Lep.
Lep has not ALWAYS sucked. At least they started out decent before they sold out. Poison sucked before they were born.
COMMENT | posted by : DESERTPLAINS 7/14/2008 10:45:24 AM
I agree with Mr. Rock of Love on this one. I never got into Poison but I respect they still put on a full arena show like its 1989. That's not cheap.
COMMENT | Lip Synching posted by : wag 7/14/2008 10:50:57 AM
I would surprised if every single back ground vocal part in Poison shows were not tapes or triggered. To me (in general terms) it doesn't matter. A good show is a good show. They are both wrong on some things. "Can't we all just get along"
COMMENT | All of those horrible music videos.. posted by : ThisIsMyUsername 7/14/2008 10:51:55 AM
don't ever really post anything negative for the most part. to the misinformed poster above who said cc deville is a talented guitar player: you are out of your mind. vivian campbell smokes him technically by leaps and bounds. its unfortunate vivian is not allowed or chooses not to shred anymore. cc deville live spots sound like hes strangling a cat in concert.
COMMENT | Music videos.... posted by : screamingtwat 7/14/2008 11:15:37 AM
So Brett, you didn't lip-sync when filming your promo vids - it was all live hmm?
COMMENT | posted by : The Endless Obsession 7/14/2008 11:17:00 AM
"Which is why I really liked the trash/death metal fashion--or lack thereof. You just let your hair grow, and wear some used t-shirt with cheap jogging pants."
That's not a fashion? You want to tell me that if someone showed up to a death metal show wearing a red shirt, short hair, and jeans from the Gap that the same people with the long hair and old tee shirts and cheap pants wouldn't snicker at them? It's a fucking fashion just like anything else. That's why they all look the same.
COMMENT | what about those ripped jeans, union jack shirts ,frosted hair posted by : Yambag 7/14/2008 11:24:41 AM
Def Leppard was all about image. Armageddon it ? what substance did Def Leppard have ? Joe Elliot has denied the band was ever metal This is the pot calling the kettle
COMMENT | posted by : RiotAct666 7/14/2008 11:25:15 AM
COMMENT | posted by : maidenfan08 7/14/2008 10:06:43 AM
both are good.. 80's glam RULES!!!!
Fuck today's poser infested music
Agree. Who cares what they both say about each other. Both bands are great.
COMMENT | Poison? Leppard? posted by : Magical_Rainbows_From_Hell_666=Most_Banned_Name_Eva! 7/14/2008 11:26:53 AM
Hanoi Rocks owns both of those bands!
COMMENT | And in the 80's... posted by : Night_Prowler 7/14/2008 11:29:41 AM
Joe forgets to mention how Def Leppard relied on Mutt Lange to write their songs for them, and mold them into an AC/DC sounding clone band so they could sell some albums. Now they claim to have never been a rock or metal band, but a pop band.
COMMENT | The Endless Obsession posted by : Rimouski kicks your ass 7/14/2008 11:33:31 AM
Take it easy, dude. Of course it is fashion, the "lack thereof" was tongue-in-cheek to point out that it definitively lacked in taste and sophistication.
My point was simply that the fashion was rudimentary, low-maintenance and very, very affordable. It was nothing pretentious or flamboyant. Anyone could join in by spending 20$ at Wal-Mart and letting their hair grow. It would be hard to find a music fashion more democratic and working-class than that.
COMMENT | All right everyone posted by : Neil Young's Cocaine Booger 7/14/2008 11:40:37 AM
CHICK FIGHT!!!!!!
Not a fan of either band, but at least Def Leppard has a couple albums that were good, while Poison....well you could take a song or two from each album and make a decent album.
But in all honesty........both bands are 20+ years past their prime and when they leave, take Skid Row and SeBITCHian Bach with them.
COMMENT | The Endless Obsession posted by : cirkis 7/14/2008 11:41:15 AM
You are dead on. Being in my mid twenties and a working professional, I have a clean hair cut and had to get rid of most of the old black wardrobe. I went to a show not long ago wearing gap jeans and the only tshirt I could find (an old tshirt from where I went to college) and was getting glares from a lot of people.
COMMENT | posted by : Dee67 7/14/2008 11:55:27 AM
Joe Elliott and Bret Michaels are guys?
Hmm.. learn something new every day.
COMMENT | posted by : The Endless Obsession 7/14/2008 12:03:55 PM
"It was nothing pretentious or flamboyant."
I think there's definitely a fair amount of pretentiousness in the old death metal/thrash metal look. You know that most of the people dressed like that would scoff at anyone they saw that was dressed in a way that was more hip.
I think the least pretentious people in music in terms of their fashion are the people you look at and wouldn't be able to tell what music they play from their image.
COMMENT | WHAT? posted by : toadload 7/14/2008 12:19:36 PM
BOTH bands are commercial sellouts. What is Michaels on?
COMMENT | Wheres Vince when you need him? posted by : In your face 7/14/2008 12:23:03 PM
Joe and Bret may get into this on going argument, but if Vince or any of the other guys from Motley (with the exception of Mick) get in on this, it could get interesting. But then again, that must be why Joe and Mr. Rock of Love are going on and on about this, to get attention to there own bands. Maybe Motley staying out of it, because they dont need the attention, they seem to be doing just fine on their own! Hair metal, glam metal, or whatever you want to call it, at least the Crue is still putting out records and touring the world. The music may not be the best they have ever recorded, but at least its not an album of cover songs, or in def leppards case, an album of ballads!
COMMENT | it's about time posted by : jimmy two times 7/14/2008 12:30:31 PM
someone responded to Joe Elliott's constant "bashing" of "metal" bands. Continually this fuck talks about how def leppard were never a metal band, never intended to be, never wanted to be and weren't PERCEIVED to be. Are you fucking kidding me? High n' Dry and Pyromania defined hard rock/metal in the eighties. I'm sorry but you don't have loud distorted guitars, a screamer on vocals, long hair, ripped jeans, singing about drinking and fucking and have the nerve to say they were never a metal band. of course by hysteria they were the gayest band on the planet. This dirty S.O.B. has the nerve to say the LA bands didn't have any substance, when his band actually released a song with the lyrics----"I wanna touch you, till we're stickin' like glue". I know most of you shit on both of these bands but come on now, at least Poison labels themselves as some form of metal. I know hair metal to most of you is not considered metal at all but it actually is a sub genre of metal. One time this piece of shit actually said they considered themselves closer to Duran Duran than Iron Maiden. I understand that by 1987 they achieved that but to constantly denounce your heavy past? What a douche. When he was talking about the LA bands he must have also meant Van Halen, the band that which all hair metal bands came from, in my humble opinion. I know Poison aren't exactly Slayer but like I said, they've never said they weren't hair metal. I wanna touch you, till we're stickin' like glue........gay
COMMENT | and the winner is... posted by : Kidwood 7/14/2008 12:35:43 PM
Kip Winger!
/got nothin
COMMENT | just my point of view posted by : bad juju 7/14/2008 12:39:27 PM
COMPARING THEIR MUSIC TO ~insert music/musician of your choice~IS LIKE COMPARING A PIECE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE TO A RIB EYE STEAK~IT HAS NO NUTRITIONAL VALUE AND YOU'LL BE HUNGRY AGAIN IN HALF AN HOUR BUT IT'S DAMN GOOD FOR WHAT IT IS AND HONESTLY WHO DOESN'T LIKE CAKE
COMMENT | posted by : Rimouski kicks your ass 7/14/2008 12:52:53 PM
Groups will often ostracize those who do not share their outward signs of belonging. This is so consistent that to call it a variable does not do it justice. Since it is for all practical purposes a constant, this is not going to tell us anything interesting about the various fashions in the metal world. Both an early 90s trasher and a late 2000s emocore will be proud of their look and value it over other looks (otherwise, you guessed it, they would likely dress otherwise). However, an outside observer would probably look at the trasher and say "this guy's a working class" and look at the emocore and say "this guy's a metrosexual with a finger in the wind".
For me, what is most interesting in terms of comparing the different fashions in the history of metal is the extent to which they are stage costumes or everyday clothes, whether they required lots of prep or not, whether they were expensive or cheap, what was their message (if any), and so forth.
COMMENT | hmmmm posted by : zeets 7/14/2008 12:58:06 PM
i think the bigger question here is: who sucks more poison or def leppard? it's pretty close but i'd say poison sucks more, but just by a scrotum hair.
COMMENT | WOW!!! posted by : jase2007 7/14/2008 1:10:15 PM
I can say that both bands at one point in their careers have thought about their appearance and their "hair". But I can honestly say that when Bret Michaels gets out on stage to perform, he does it right!!! He is an awesome guy (met him) and his concerts are right on and they ROCK!!! I just seen Poison, Sebastian Bach, and Dokken last Tuesday and Poison was awesome. Bret Michaels (Poison) is a person that does not 'dog' other bands because they all have had problems (they are human) and I don't know why Joe Elliott had to call out Poison or Motley Crue...
Def Leppard so got caught up in the glam life and he is full of shit to say that he didn't. Grow Up!!! I stand behind Bret 100% because I wouldn't let someone like him call me out without standing my ground and being honest about them and who they really are!!! Just wait; if Vince and the other guys from Motley get involved, then it will get very interesting!!
COMMENT | posted by : otis360 7/14/2008 1:16:01 PM
def leppard own wank poison
i think def leppard doing chart songs is fine as they are what they are
poison think there a motley crue when they couldnt be more wrong
Joe Elliott is a tool. They think they are somehow more important than they are. There is no way that Def Leppard is bigger or more important than Motley Crue.
And while I'm not a fan of Poison (or the other two bands either), it's a testament to Poison that they are able to go out there today and headline arenas and not be some embarassing club act like Warrent.
Poison isn't/wasn't as big as Def Leppard simply because they didn't have as many hits. Not every band does. But Poison didn't have to sell their soul by putting out a pussy commercial album like "Hysteria" just so they could be an MTV darling either. "Pour Some Sugar On Me" is easily the cheesiest, least substancial song between the two bands.
COMMENT | Never thought I´d say this... posted by : Juniordude 7/14/2008 2:08:40 PM
...but Bret Michaels is absolutely right. And Joe Elliott: Put out a decent record or shut the fuck up.
COMMENT | JOE VS. BRETT!!! posted by : cfh8784 7/14/2008 2:30:38 PM
Get Don King behind this! They'll do the Unskinny Bop! It'll be a Rock of Ages showdown!
LET'S RATT N ROLL!!!
COMMENT | Spector5 posted by : THRASHMONGER 7/14/2008 2:36:54 PM
"oi, fuck mate, what are you smoking? Send me some."
I know, it's hard to believe, but I swear to christ it's true - I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't seen it w my own eyes. In fact, Lemmy thought enough of CC to have him guest on the new Motorhead album. And if it's good enough for the Lemmster, it's damn sure good enough for us.
COMMENT | posted by : grymmbear 7/14/2008 2:58:28 PM
1) Armageddon is not, repeat: NOT, a verb.
2) Anybody who's ever had a problem discerning death/black metal lyrics should listen to whatever the fuck Joe Elliott is trying to say on the entire Hysteria album without a lyric sheet. Have fun!
Joe had to say those two names, it just makes him look bad. Both of the bands ine that genre, are descent enough bands. But no one should start comparing at this point in thier careers. It just makes them look like a tool. To be honest I dig a their music sometimes and really dont give a shit what they wear as long as I think a song is OK.
COMMENT | !! posted by : Doros78 7/14/2008 3:45:20 PM
I saw Def Leppard 2 weeks ago with Whitesnake in london and they were good but Whitesnake were way better and much better songs also. Coverdale is a great frontman and great singer, Elliot is just an ok singer and frontman but does his stuff well. And Def Leppards music hasnt got anything over Motley Crue or Poison, Def Leppard were at the rigght time and sold millions of records of 2 albums and then they went out fashion and havent sold that much since then and many people just remember these songs but look at Def Leppard like they are kind of chessy, and one armed drummer also helped selling records. Motley was never part of anythiong realy, when they started they were a lot different then the bands around and did what they wanted and made like that. and its just something people say if someone looks like this or that, they alway say its just about the looks wich is stupid. its the music that counts but looks dont kill right? and music about having fun and doing sex and drugs can have as much substance as music about live or death or whatever.
COMMENT | !!! posted by : Doros78 7/14/2008 3:51:37 PM
Why are Def Leppard and Poison why past their selling date? because they are selling more then most metal bands?? the new Leppard album went straight to number 4 or 5 in america. And they are both very good live bands also. yea and every band in the 80's looked stupid at least a few times, you can name any band, Bruce Dickinson was in a yellow spandex so i dont know why people are just saying this about the bands from LA. And Motley dressed cool in the 80's for 80's clothes and they dress cool today and do what they want, if you dont like go listen to something else.
COMMENT | poison posted by : mooremusicllc 7/14/2008 4:15:19 PM
hey they didnT sell out the 5000 seater in fay n.c or the rbc center in raleigh but leppp did. i think poison has sucked from day one. lepp has sucked when clark died.
COMMENT | Yup posted by : uncle juri 7/14/2008 4:24:05 PM
Basically, Joe Elliot was right. The fact that he's as much of a has-been as Bret Michael and his wig, doesn't make what he said in the interview less true.
Poison, as a band, was always a triumph of image over substance. They continue to "sell out arenas", as Bret puts it, but they don't continue writing new songs. Not on this century. The arena shows are nothing but nostalgy trips for the 40-year-olds who attend them.
Poison's set list hasn't changed much in the last 20 years, and their last three albums consist of two hit collections and a sloppy compilation of cover versions. As for Bret Michaels, his latest CD didn't contain a single new song.
Joe has been running his mouth since the 90's how all the 80's hairbands stole their sound. Hey Joe go fuck yourself you lack of talent. Bret Micheals would kick his ass up and down the stage.
IF Joe is so punk and loves the music why was he making 80's style hair band songs, make some punk songs jagoff, I use to really like them until he ran his mouth. They are overly cocky bastards now. I'm not a Bon Jovi fan but at least they are cocky pricks, I would buy new Bon Jovi before LEP. Besides the new LEP can't hold dick to new Dokkne or whitesnake
COMMENT | Crue over them all posted by : PigeonsWing 7/14/2008 5:14:39 PM
COMMENT | Poison? Leppard? posted by : Magical_Rainbows_From_Hell_666=Most_Banned_Name_Eva! 7/14/2008 11:26:53 AM
Hanoi Rocks owns both of those bands!
And Crue Smokes all of the above bands......
I do agree that Brett Michaels response was bang on the mark though....
COMMENT | hey joe posted by : Kissfan77 7/14/2008 5:27:56 PM
shut up man...you're already in trouble for blowing my chance to see Styx and Reo Speedwagon cause you got sick on April 11. Another thing: don't compare Motley Crue and Poison together eiher. Poison was just a good time band, motley crue had way more substance (and inhaled it). getting back to the original arguement, Def Leppard circa 1980-1983 were in fact wearing some glammy clothes. and he's telling me that the british bands from the 70's didn't take what they looked like seriously getting all troused up like women? think about it for a second...Bowie led them and was totally substance based if you paid attention to his lyrical content and musical directions. Def Leppard is a good band and good musicians, but to me they were never better than during Pyromania period.
COMMENT | Somebody please tell Joe to shut up already! posted by : RNR 7/14/2008 6:54:15 PM
He is an insecure moron due to the fact that he constantly has to run his mouth about how he hates it when Def Leppard is compared to hair bands. He feels insulted when that happens. Bottom line, they were a hair band just like any other hair band during the 80's. "Pour some sugar on me" has to be one of the biggest hair band songs of all time. He acts like Def Leppard are a bunch of legends and I'm sure they will have their spot but IMO, The Crue kicks their ass. I do like some of Def Leppard's songs but nothing to rave about.
COMMENT | posted by : Durtyrock 7/14/2008 7:19:01 PM
I can't believe that these two lead singers can't get along in a time when both of them are having such great careers....Oh wait, it's not 1989 anymore and I could care less. In my opinion they both suck
COMMENT | glam metal forever posted by : bmas020 7/14/2008 7:35:07 PM
I agree with Brett Michaels. I also like Def Leppard but Joe shouldn't talk crap about Poison like that.
Anyways Glam Metal Forever \m/
COMMENT | posted by : Dave Levine 7/14/2008 7:52:16 PM
Poison was sellout corporate cock sucking glam rock from day one. In fact, it was even worse then. Total sellout. The definition of poseur LA garbage with no substance.
Def Leppard's first 3 albums were actually quite good. Then they sold out with that "Pour Some Sugar On Me" SHIT! That is the epitome of selling out. As cheesy as it gets. That and Talk Dirty to Me I just can't seem to measure which is cheesier with no substance bit at least Def Leppard had those first 3 albums that contained kick ass hard rock.
COMMENT | Yawn posted by : zenboxer 7/14/2008 8:06:28 PM
Catfight !
COMMENT | but... posted by : BLACKMAGICNIGHT 7/14/2008 9:38:22 PM
Who would win in a fist fight?
COMMENT | to hell with it....... posted by : zeets 7/14/2008 10:40:14 PM
i'd never pay to see either of these useless fucking bands play.
i'll wait for a real band like cheap trick.......now there's a great live band. and they kick both poison and def leppard's ass!
COMMENT | I TOLD YOU SO posted by : Polimar 7/14/2008 11:26:51 PM
(CORPORATE ROCK REALLY DOES SUCK)
Please tell me how to think Please tell me what to say Please tell me what to do Please tell me how I should behave
Please tell me what to sing Please tell me what to play Please tell me how to act Please tell me the rules of your game
Please tell me who I should be Please tell me what to do Please tell me how to please I really want to be like you
Really done it now, sold out But to who, what, when, where and how, Yeah, really done it now, sold out, I've taken my cut And corporate rock really sucks
Don't try and tell me how to think Don't tell me what to say Don't tell me what to do Don't try and tell me how to behave
Don't tell me how to sing Don't tell me how I should play Don't tell me how to act I don't want to play to your game
Don't tell me who I should be Don't tell me what to do Its myself I'm trying to please, Don't anyone, least of all, you.
Really done it now, sold out But to who, what, when, where and how Yeah, really done it now, sold out I've taken my cut
[lead]
Yeah, really done it now, sold out But to who, what, when, where and how, Yeah, really done it now, sold out I've taken my cut
Yeah, really done it now, sold out, But to who, what, when, where and how, Yeah, really done it now, sold out I've taken my cut And corporate rock really does suck
COMMENT | Let me translate for Elliot posted by : destructivesounds 7/14/2008 11:59:51 PM
Poison has a country ass, boring, redneck type singer who wears a cowboy hat and tries to show abs of steel on everything he sells, and does a dumb ass show on VH1.
I love when he says, "I don't want to put Hanoi Rocks down, I know a COUPLE of there songs." That says a lot, right there. Total moron.
NY Dolls, Bowie, T Rex were the real thing since they weren't just after being a "rock star" with money since they were dirty, street rock. Not trying to be big flashy and annoying. They were doing what they enjoyed and were writing original music. Hanoi Rocks were friends with Thunders anyway....
COMMENT | im_nraged posted by : Neil Young's Cocaine Booger 7/15/2008 1:38:50 AM
Wow....Poison packs them in. So does Miley Cyrus and the Jonas Brothers. What is your point??????
COMMENT | destructivesounds posted by : zeets 7/15/2008 4:00:04 AM
i have to disagree with you here. the dolls and bowie were the "real thing" but marc bolan was far from being down and dirty.
i love t-rex, but bolan lived to be a "rock star". he certainly had his "flashy period". zinc alloy and the hidden riders of tomorrow, bolan's zip gun, parts of futuristic dragon were all designed to be comercially succesful "pop / rock" albums. i'm not knocking him 'cuz i really enjoy those records ( especially futuristic dragon ), but bolan didn't really get "dirty" again until dandy in the underworld.
plus bolan loved showing off his money and his "pop star" status, i mean the guy sang " i drive a rolls royce because it's good for my voice" in children of the revolution.
COMMENT | If there was any karmic justice posted by : annarocket 7/15/2008 4:28:05 AM
Lemmy would show up and slap the shit out of these two.
God,they sound like a couple of high school bitches.
Joe,shut your pie hole.
Bret,when you make comments that your hair is made of the finest artificial material Europe can import,you deserve all the shit you get and 10x more.
COMMENT | posted by : Dave Levine 7/15/2008 11:20:04 AM
This is real pathetic. These two bands have actually managed to sellout more than just about any other rock band out there. Poison always did it from the beginning. Even their weeble wobble manager said that they acted a certain misbehaving way because that was how they thought they were supposed to act and the Crue did it because that was who they were - deviants.
After Pyromania, Def Leppard sold out ridiculously. At least they had those first 3 albums that were good though. I don't know if they were expecting Pyromania to be played on MTV and on air like it was. After that though, I think they had it all planned out to write shit for the sake of the almighty dollar. Pour Some Sugar on Me? Biggest sellout hit out there! Just listen to those fucking lyrics! What a bubble gum disgrace! No fun whatsoever. Just sellout, corporate, intentionally made for the sake of money. Some might not think it['s wrong but it IS selling out. No doubt.
COMMENT | posted by : Dave Levine 7/15/2008 2:08:45 PM
Has no substance either. Don't even get me going on the lyrics....
COMMENT | hmmmmmm posted by : bren1020 7/15/2008 2:59:22 PM
well I have been a DL fan for my entire life since I was 5 years old..........I have also been a poison fan for 20 years...........I have seen both in concert many times.............I do think that opinions are like assholes....everyone has one............I think that this "Feud" is stupid! Can't we all just get along? What is name calling gonna do? NOTHING!
COMMENT | Glam Rock posted by : Angela0420 7/15/2008 3:54:26 PM
Look, I am a 34 year old mother of four children and I set here at my computer and download "80's" music till I am blue in the face. When any one of my children ask me to get them some music THEY like, I set here and listen to the lyrics and ban 60% of it myself. Poison/Motley were THE bands of the 80's and I still love listening to anything those two bands put out there. I fell in love with the make-up on men in the 80's from watching Bret, CeCe, Rikki, Bobbi, Tommy, Vince and the two others (sorry guys) and bands like Vinnie Vinvent Invasion, and even Def Leppard. Make-up on a man is a complete turn on, BUT only and I say that again, ONLY if you are onstage singing music. It comes with the territory there for me. Leather and make-up and some KICK ASS music. What is wrong with you people? I lost respect for Def Leppard now, may you feel the wrath when you see 100 people in line for your tickets and see half the world try to buy the tickets to see Poison and Motley Crue. I know I would pay to see them over your lame band anyways. Can someone remember the lyrics to Talk Dirty to Me, or I Won't Forget You, or Girls, Girls, Girls, Home Sweet Home, Smoking in the Boys Room, Every Rose Has it's Thorn...this list can go on forever guys, but at least lyrics from Poison/Motley actually made the fans see things differently. Now, how about Pour Some Sugar on Me.....point was??????? I rest my case. Bret, Rikki and others, he has hurt himself and only made us see that he isn't worthy of anything. You guys do what you have been for the last 20 years and you will stay on top. Who would think about comparing Poison with Def Leppard anyways? Nothing compares, at least that is what I feel. Poison and Motley helped me out during my wild days and Def Leppard just sang what everone else already was.
COMMENT | Hanoi "FUCKING" Rocks posted by : djsaintgermain 7/16/2008 1:24:32 AM
The best thing about this is getting hanois name out to all the people that dont know them... Lets not forget Vinces accident killing Razzle of Hanoi...
COMMENT | REALLY!? posted by : MusicMistress1 7/17/2008 10:44:24 PM
I have to respect ALL of your opinions...but you can't come up with any better guitar players from the 80's than Vivian? Ummmm....Steve Vai, Jake E. Lee, Joe Satriani and many others. The music of the 80's was very colorful and creative overall and as generations before paved the way for the music that is mainstream today. Which I must say has no creativity and all sounds the same ripping off bands such as Led Zepplin, Ozzy, Motley, and many others for their beats and core riffs, and the lyrics...well they suck...people young and older are filling ARENAS to see the 80's bands... Poison was great with ballads along with party songs and they never said that they were more than a fun to see and listen to band, and THEY wrote their music. Def Leppard went steadily downhill, but I enjoyed them and they have a place in my life in the 80's. I went to see Def Leppard last year I think, not near sold out and I can see why Joe sync'd...he was raising the dead with his voice...we, with many others, walked out. On the other hand went to see Poison and the place was packed, great show, hit every note. So what if he syncs to video, they give 110 percent Poison when the perform live. Bret may have been caught off guard but he took the high road and used facts and did not take the bait that Joe layed out to. Joe has to do something to distract from the vocals he is going to assult folks with later. I love hair metal, heavy metal, old metal, goth, prety much ALL genres of music...the 80's was a decade of excess and the music followed suit.
COMMENT | VInce and Razzle comment posted by : MusicMistress1 7/17/2008 10:48:02 PM
Let's not forget that Razzle wanted to go with Vince and they were BOTH drunk. It was just a poor judgement call on both musicians part...and the sad effects were far reaching
COMMENT | seriously people?! posted by : tracyr 7/19/2008 2:19:04 AM
Ok, so maybe i'm a little old to be commenting pn this but...saw Def Leppard in 1983 and they were great! Lyrics, music, performance, presence...they had it all! And still do. Saw poison in 1987/1998 and they had it all...durm solo, guitar solo, and the EXACT same set up, speach, movements, everything that they had the nigh before in another city. As for the whole 'lip synching' thing'; name a bd that hasn't done it in there career! PLEASE!!!! Has everyone forgotten a time whem MTV actually played videos? They were ALL synched! Yes, both bands have great music. Ask yourself one thing...who actualy sold out? I have NEVER seen any member of Def Leppard on a reality show trying to get a date. Have you? No this has nothing to do with the music or the makeup thing but seriouly, going on national TV to haave to find "true love"? Who's more pathetic now?
COMMENT | posted by : MotleyFan89 7/20/2008 12:12:33 AM
I'm a fan of all three bands, Def, Motley, and Poison and have seen all three of them live in the past few years. Being a fan of Poison, you almost always have to defend them because, yeah they were just trying to imitate the other (and much better) glam bands of the 80s. They acted the way they thought rock stars were supposed to. At the end of the day, yeah Bret's just a spoiled little brat. That doesn't mean their music wasn't good, it was just mainstream. If it hadn't of been, they would not have had a career. Def Leppard were just as mainstream as Poison and Motley were. They just didn't do the makeup thing, honestly cause I doubt any of them could pull it off. They had good songs, but as substance goes, hell it was just the same as all the other bands. "Talk Dirty to Me", "Pour Some Sugar On Me", and "Girls Girls Girls" were all about getting laid. Hell, Def Leppard was all about getting laid. So really, just cause they didn't wear the makeup, didn't mean they weren't in the same category as the glam bands. And further more, Motley Crue could kick his fucking ass. Sure, they were glam. But they were also madly creative. They never looked the same on each album. And sure, their lyrics were about sex, drugs, and rock and roll... but who's wasn't back then. Point is... Joe needs to keep his mouth shut.
And as far as selling out, it's a matter of opinion. They are all just trying to make money, aren't we all? lol.
Oh... and Razzle's death was an accident. Both of them were drunk and everyone drank and drove back then. Vince felt endless upset about it (read the Dirt)
COMMENT | In Reality- posted by : dinochick 10/7/2008 10:58:58 PM
I was a big Def Leppard fan since 1981, but I have noticed their music has changed dramatically especially ever since Slang. Pyromania is my favorite album.
This last venture into Country just really did it for me. I HATE COUNTRY. I love the ole Def Lep, but I can't seem to get into where they are now. As for Brett Michaels, he isn't a bad singer, but Poison has always been very commercialized, and in many instances "bubblegum". I did see Vince Neil sing at the Keystone, in LA in 2005, and he was good, I had a great time. Each of these bands had a specific genre to give to the metal scene of the 80's. They should not "cut" each other down. You need variety.
In 1994, I got into a different "band", which has never "sold out" and has always maintained the metal "tude". Yngwie Malmsteen is perhaps the best ever... He has his "off" albums too, but he will never sell out. I met him in 2004, through the fan club, and he was quite a gentleman. His music is serious and very structured, and while he may not command arena concerts, his fans are pretty faithful. Afterall, who has a signature Fender Stratocaster with their name on it?
COMMENT | hanoi rocks posted by : Mark72 6/25/2009 8:58:24 AM
Hanoi Rocks!
COMMENT | alright, posted by : dave imstayin' 7/27/2009 9:44:21 PM
let's beat this dead horse some more now
COMMENT | Mark72 posted by : dave imstayin' 7/27/2009 9:48:45 PM
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