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ICED EARTH Mainman Talks About Songwriting Process For New Album - Aug. 12, 2008
Metal-Experience.com recently conducted an interview with ICED EARTH mainman Jon Schaffer. An excerpt from the chat follows.

Metal-Experience.com: Did you run into any difficulties when Matt (Barlow, vocals) rejoined the band?

Schaffer: No. Because, contrary to what people think, the songwriting does not revolve around a singer. Not the way I write songs or any songwriter I've ever met. Any singer that's in ICED EARTH has to meet certain criteria or they won't get the gig because ICED EARTH is a very dynamic band, meaning we have a lot of different sounds. So a monotone singer that has one voice is not going to fit in ICED EARTH. You have to have a very wide range in order to deliver the songs the way they were written. When you have talent like Tim (Owens), like Matt, like Hansi Kürsch (BLIND GUARDIAN) who I've worked with in the past, these are guys who can do almost anything humanly possible with their voices. So as a songwriter who writes very dynamic music from stuff that is very melancholy and very clean to very heavy, to very high and raspy, to clean and high, to powerful mid-range, that's the way I write parts. And the singer has to be able to do it or he won't be on the album in the first place. So I write the parts and then the guy has to do the delivery, it doesn't go the other way. I don't write to someone's ability, that would be foolish, it would limit the song.

Metal-Experience.com: OK, I never looked a it that way..

Schaffer: One of the cool things about music is that people hear it differently. I mean, there's people out there that only listen to the voice, there's people that listen to everything but the voice, there's people that really pay attention to the lyrics and a lot of people that don't. Some people just listen to the guitars or the drums, everybody hears things differently and it's pretty cool. But from the standpoint of a songwriter which is what I do, I would never allow the limitations of a human being to limit my songs. The song has to live and breathe, it's beyond the singer who's just another instrument in this mix. In my songs I write the lyrics and vocal melodies, the drum parts, the bass parts, everything you hear. So I have a very specific, precise vision. If I write all the music and Matt writes the lyrics and the vocal melodies then that's going to be a little bit different from what I would do. Because he's going to do what he hears. It's just a different process and most of the ICED EARTH catalogue I've written by myself and I can't limit it to the limit of a human being. The song has to be the song.

Metal-Experience.com: Is it not hard for your musicians to keep up with you and your music as you evolve as a songwriter?

Schaffer: It's been an issue in the past, especially in the early days because the songs were growing faster than the ability of certain players and so we had to make changes. But the thing is with ICED EARTH, even though there's been many different players in the band through the years, it's still very obvious when someone puts a record on that it's ICED EARTH. You can hear it within the first couple of notes and I think that's the definition of a style, like AC/DC has a style and JUDAS PRIEST has a style and BLACK SABBATH and METALLICA and IRON MAIDEN. All these guys are established, there's a specific style that they have. We've all been influenced by everything from THE BEATLES down to whatever, but still it's you personality and your depth of character that really makes it individual and that takes it to another level. It's a gift that I have been able to create a band that has a specific style. You can hear our influences in it but we have our thing, our sound. And that tends to make people pretty jealous and talk a lot of shit. And that's the way it is because there are a lot of frustrated musicians out there. I understand that, but it also makes for a very devoted fan-base on the other side.

Metal-Experience.com: How did Matt contribute on the album?

Schaffer: Well, on this one, when he came in it was late. Everything was done. It's my story but what Matt did help with is the lyrics on some of the songs. Because I was pretty fried after doing this, consistent writing for a year and a half, then we did a few months of touring and then back in to wrap up the writing. Literally about four or five days off in a couple of years is all I had, so it was tough. I have faith in Matt's ability to write lyrics, there's very few people that I would even consider writing lyrics with. Actually, there isn't anybody else except for Hansi (Kürsch). Matt gets it and he knew the story from back when I first created it, on the original "Something Wicked This Way Comes" album. I just gave him titles and bullet points and what the subject matter had to be about and things that he had to mention because it was the way the flow was. He came up with some really great lyrical parts for the record. I think he wrote four or five song lyrics.

Read the entire interview at Metal-Experience.com.

Metalzone.gr's Elena Mihailidou and Nikoleta Saradou attended ICED EARTH's press conference prior to the band's July 20, 2008 concert at the Rock 'Em All festival, which was held at the Lykabetus Theater in Athens, Greece. Guitarist Jon Schaffer and vocalist Matt Barlow talked about their new album, where they stand after Matt's return to the group, how they were disappointed when they found out they weren't headlining the Rock 'Em All festival, their influences, their priorities and how Jon wants to study music as he is self-taught. Matt talks about what he did during his absence from ICED EARTH and how it feels to be back. He also states that he tries to inject his own feel into the songs that were previously sung by other vocalists and how he has never missed a show even if he had to perform sick. Watch the 37-minute press conference below.

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COMMENT | Schaffer sounds...
posted by : Daddy?!
8/12/2008 2:05:51 PM

...like an arrogant prick.

COMMENT | ^^^
posted by : EL PENDEJO
8/12/2008 2:16:29 PM

It's his band, he can do what he wants.

I still don't understand why he hates Burnt Offerings. BEST album! Just because people didn't buy it? It's not like it's in stores eveywhere.

COMMENT |
posted by : mr. moof
8/12/2008 2:16:59 PM

"There's very few people that I would even consider writing lyrics with."

That's funny, Jon, because there are very few people I would even consider a worse lyricist than you.

COMMENT | Jon is an
posted by : rac1965
8/12/2008 2:20:57 PM

an arrogant a*****e!!!!

Also for me Burnt Offerings is the best thing they have done.

COMMENT | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
posted by : ikumblud
8/12/2008 2:41:10 PM

totally agree! The last Pyramaze album with Barlow kills this.

COMMENT | \m/
posted by : AngelsHolocaust
8/12/2008 4:32:10 PM

New albums rules, as expected

Their sound has certainly changed though, not at all thrashy these days, but absolutely majestic

COMMENT |
posted by : The Space Lord
8/12/2008 4:46:50 PM

AngelsHolocaust: Weren't Iced Earth always more of a majestic power metal band than a thrash metal band to begin with?

COMMENT | ...
posted by : Sontaron
8/12/2008 5:06:26 PM

The new album is a major disappointment. They haven`t been *great* for a long time but semed to be back on track with FA: part 1. The new one is just bland and un-inspiring. Wouldn`t matter who was singing on it, the song writing is just below par.

I also agree about Burnt Offerings, a fantastic album!

COMMENT | IE lyrics
posted by : toastedsandwichlover
8/12/2008 5:10:28 PM

the word order backwards too much, iced earth lyrics have


like yoda jedi master writing the lyrics, it sometimes sounds


love them still tho, i do

\m/

COMMENT | Talk about needing a clue from Vanna
posted by : TruthIsParamount
8/12/2008 7:02:29 PM

"Because, contrary to what people think, the songwriting does not revolve around a singer. Not the way I write songs or any songwriter I've ever met."

Well, that would at least partly explain why your songs are so goddamn mediocre and have no real hooks. Every pro songwriter I've ever met thinks the vocal is a central part of the song coz a great vocal can take a mediocre song to the next level and a weak vocal can ruin an otherwise great song.

You've got a lot to learn about music, Schaffer. Keep trying - even if it's probably in vain.

COMMENT | I have heard the new album
posted by : slow Death
8/12/2008 7:50:33 PM

and it is just like the last one--boring. Crucify The King is alright, Divide And Devour soso but other than that..
Can't blame this on Barlow but I'm sure there's assholes out there that will try.

Jon must be losing it..in my opinion his best stuff was co-written with Randall Shawver.

COMMENT |
posted by : I 4 N I
8/12/2008 8:42:37 PM

ICED EARTH RULE!!!!!! CANNOT WAIT!!!!!

Will have to admit burnt offerings is my favorite and most underrated IE record as well.


ikumblud, INDEED PYRAMAZE WITH BARLOW WAS ALBUM OF THE YEAR FOR ME!!!!!!!!


Np: Testament - More than meets the eye

COMMENT |
posted by : RiotAct666
8/12/2008 9:04:11 PM

Can't wait for the new IE disc.

COMMENT | Give Ripper a Call!!!
posted by : FreedomOfSpeech
8/12/2008 10:24:24 PM

This thing does not work with Matt Barlow. They should get Ripper back so Iced Earth can continue being succesful.

COMMENT | Hmmh?
posted by : hammer34
8/12/2008 10:53:59 PM

I know people have heard the leaked album; I 've even seen it reviewed already on some sites??? Interesting. And sad. I will get it the old fashioned way when it comes out. From what I hear, often the official finished product sounds different from what people pirate. That said, there seems to be a consensus among those who have heard it that it's less than spectacular. Partially, perhaps it's overwrought expectations for Barlow's return . . . but I can see where with the sudden change in singers, the time constraints, and stretching a single theme across two fairly lengthy albums could take it's toll. I'm holding out hope that I will hear something different and it will be good.

Barlow was excellent on the Pyramaze album . . . his warmer, deeper voice gave their heavy, but heavily late 80's/Early 90's/Fates Warning, prog influenced metal a really fresh twist---instead of that typical, Ray Alder/sci-fi prog style, mostly falsetto vocals that I frankly think held back their previous CDs . I heard a lot I liked, but I thought they were vastly overrated with Lance King. I do have high hopes with Urban Breed singing and hopefully writing with them now.

Agree with previous posters on Burnt Offerings. I like IE's mid period a lot and was afraid I wouldn't get into stuff as far back as Burnt Offerings, but loved it when I finally got it. Seems the song arrangements were a little more varied and adventurous on that CD, and thereafter became (not bad in any way) but a little more structured and formulaic in style. And Barlow was everywhere on that album: weeping baritone, borderline death metal intense, halfordian highs, driving mid range, and some soft moments as well---all top notch. That's why---although no disrespect to Ripper, he's a quality vocalitst---I laugh when people compare them. Barlow is just head-and-shoulders better and more versatile.

Getting ahead myself, but even if the new IE album proves to sound a bit rushed, forced, lackluster, etc., I bet with time back together their next disc will be colossal!

Looking forward to the Worcester, MA show this Fall!

COMMENT | hmm...
posted by : Winter Soilder
8/19/2008 1:02:23 AM

"I have faith in Matt's ability to write lyrics, there's very few people that I would even consider writing lyrics with. Actually, there isn't anybody else except for Hansi"
I dunno Jon, Ripper wrote some bad ass lyrics on the Beyond Fear album. Maybe if you'd have let Tim write some lyrics F.A.1 would have been even better.
Read a comment above about how when he fired Tim and brought Barlow back it killed Iced Earth's momentum, and I totaly agree. I'd NEVER seen I.E. as publicized as when Tim was in the band. And seeing as how I gave up on I.E. after "Horror Show", I only bought "Glorious Burdon" for 2 reasons: 1) Ripper is fucking amazing, and 2) I was curious how I.E. would sound. Great album, so I buy "Framing", and the single as well.
And I'm sorry folks, but Ripper made "Prophecy" sound WAY better then the original version.
And yes, Barlow is selfish. It may be his band, but I've never seen him give serious props to anyone else in it except when they've ignited a mass interest in the band 9like when Tim joined, or Barlow's return). I mean fuck, even Trent Reznor says "my bass player is fucking amazing".

COMMENT | Seriously, tho
posted by : Winter Soilder
8/19/2008 1:03:09 AM

Does "Framing" need to be a double album?



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