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Community Leader: 'Bad Satanic Music' Like SLIPKNOT Was Probable Cause Of Deadly School Attack
- Aug. 19, 2008
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The head of South African police's investigative psychology unit has told The Times web site that rumors of Satanism and music playing a part in Monday's (August 18) deadly attack at the Nic Diederichs technical high school in Krugersdorp, South Africa should not be taken seriously. Senior Superintendent Gerard Labuschagne was responding to claims that a schoolboy stabbed a fellow student yesterday because "Satan told him to kill the children." Locals claim the boy was influenced by heavy metal band SLIPKNOT. But Labuschagne said, "Whenever there is a murder, people jump to conclusions, and always God or Satan told the killers to do it. These notions shouldn't be taken seriously because it is straightforward: someone, of their own free will, can kill another person." Community leader Pierre Eksteen, who is in charge of a school support network for children, said "Satanic" music was probably the cause of the attack. "He came here camouflaged as the guy from SLIPKNOT. We know the wrong kind of music and drugs have bad effects. Young people need to be informed of the effects of bad Satanic music," said Eksteen. The murder suspect has been identified by the News24.com web site as 18-year-old Morné Harmse. "Watch out! He's lost it!" students shouted as Morné pulled out what looked like a Samurai sword and slashed the neck of Jacques Pretorius, 16. According to News24.com, students said Harmse was "possessed by the devil" when he began his violent attack at about 7:20. "Do you want to see something cool?" he apparently said to a girl student moments before he sliced through Pretorius's carotid artery. Pretorius's best friend, 16-year-old JC Welman, was standing next to him when he was attacked. "I was still wondering if it wasn't a joke but then I saw the blood bubbling out of his neck," Welman said, in tears, reports News24.com. Pretorius died on the scene, said Netcare 911 spokesperson Mark Stokoe. A reliable source said Harmse had brought four masks, similar to those worn by the heavy metal band SLIPKNOT, in his school bag. Apparently he was also carrying three swords. The source said one of the masks was white, similar to that of SLIPKNOT drummer Joey Jordison. Another mask was a clown mask, similar to that of SLIPKNOT percussionist Shawn Crahan, and the third mask was a gasmask as worn by the DJ, Sid Wilson. During the attack Harmse apparently wore the mask that is similar to the one belonging to the lead singer Corey Taylor. The suspect is expected to appear in the Krugersdorp Magistrate's Court on Tuesday on charges of murder and attempted murder. Watch SABCnews.com's video coverage of the Nic Diederichs "murderous rampage": Report#1, Report#2 (Real Player required). 
(Thanks: Make Some Noise)
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COMMENT |
posted by : hellbanger666
8/19/2008 6:03:32 AM
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"There are more love songs than anything else. If songs could make you do something we'd all love one another."
Frank Zappa
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COMMENT | Right.
posted by :
8/19/2008 6:07:55 AM
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It couldn't just be that the guy was a fucking moron who was whacked in the head. The music made him do it! Also, he was possessed by the devil, because the devil exists!
Is Africa really THAT far behind the rest of us?
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COMMENT | School killing
posted by :
8/19/2008 6:10:23 AM
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I work for The DAILY NEWS, a newspaper in Durban, South Africa. Can I please hear from fans what their opinion is about the schoolboy who killed another pupil on Monday. Some are saying he did so because he was "influenced"by Slipknot.
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COMMENT | UGH...
posted by :
8/19/2008 6:15:19 AM
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Jesus Fucking Christ, not this shit again...
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COMMENT | slipknot is pretty darn cheesy
posted by :
8/19/2008 6:17:03 AM
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but their music should not be blamed, still roadrunner needs to get back to basics and start putting out good bands again, it's been a lonnnnnnnnnngggggggggggg while, Airbourne is cool though, at least they don't rely on a bad gimmick
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COMMENT |
posted by : Ofazz
8/19/2008 6:18:44 AM
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Coz last time I checked SlipKnot were soooo totally satanist ay
maybe these people need to get their facts right before throwing around ridiculous accusations...
and if slipknot did sadly influence this kid to murder then how can we blame the band without looking into this psychopaths state of mind?
Ps: SlipKnot fucking rule
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COMMENT | Yeah
posted by :
8/19/2008 6:20:19 AM
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Satan told me to post this comment. He also told me my ramen is done cooking. Excuse me while I eat some ramen and praise Satan for telling me my warm noodles had finished boiling.(the fire a gift from Satan)
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COMMENT | wtf.
posted by :
8/19/2008 6:21:06 AM
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Ok, just a message to all you psychos out there. If you plan on going on a killing spree please stop listening to metal at least 6 months beforehand. Start listening to bubblegum pop or r'n'b or something. The last thing bands want to hear is that people blame them for your actions. I am appalled that the student actually managed to bring three swords onto school grounds in the first place, let alone what he proceeded to do with them. My symphathies go out to the Pretorius family but the music isn't to blame.
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COMMENT | Hi Vivian,
posted by : resunikufesin
8/19/2008 6:23:51 AM
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my name is Daniel, I am a also working for a daily, in Germany though. I write you a mail in a second.
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COMMENT | Wow
posted by :
8/19/2008 6:31:11 AM
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I can't believe the guy said probably. Usually people with such ignorant ideas would use the word definitely for this kind of thing. But Velvet Kevorkian, considering at least half the people in the USA probably believe in the devil so I wouldn't compare africa on that basis.
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COMMENT | hellbanger666
posted by : Dutchguy
8/19/2008 6:42:11 AM
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Thank you for that quote.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/19/2008 7:15:36 AM
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Myself and my friends have been listening to metal for years, and have not ONCE felt the need to commit any form of evil act.
I think these families and communities need to look a little closer to home before pinning the blame on bands...........
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/19/2008 7:16:43 AM
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Yeah, Slipknot IS responsible. If I had to listen to music that fucking bad, I'd go homicidal masquerading as members of the band too - that is, just so that they'd be blamed.
But anyways, another day, another killing spree blamed on Black Metal/Marilyn Manson/Slipknot/Rammstein. Why do they bother? It's clear heavy music is responsible for all life's problems. Why don't we just take it away and watch all the gangsters see the truth?
Oh, right, cause that wouldn't do shit. Ignorant media...
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COMMENT | Velvet Kevorkian
posted by :
8/19/2008 7:20:58 AM
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"Is Africa really THAT far behind the rest of us?"
May I point out that about 80% of the organisations promoting censorship based on lyrical content are based in the US? May also I point that that the US is the only country ever to put an "explicit content" sticker on an INSTRUMENTAL album (Zappa's Jazz from Hell). May I also point out that the South African head of police is encouraging everyone NOT to give credance to the theory that the devil or the music made him do it? How many prominent US public servants do that?
Last time I checked, these stories generally come from the US, the UK and, to a smaller extent, New Zealand and Australia.
And the last time I checked, the ever-mediocre Slipknot ALSO came from the US.
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COMMENT | Y'all want a quote?
posted by : Winter Soilder
8/19/2008 7:22:27 AM
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It's stupid for the media, or anyone, to blame a murder of any type on heavy metal. None of us listen to this music because we want ideas on how or inspiration to hurt people. We listen to it because it's entertainment. Heavy metal is actually some of the most bonding and peacefull music around. We listen to it to know we're not alone in feeling different, and we listen to it to know that it's ok to be diferent.
We listen to it for strength to get through our dull 9-5 existence, and we listen to it to relax. It's music. And music is entertrainment. This guy obviously was messed up in the head far too much to seperate fantasy from reality, especially if he claimed he was talking/listening to Satan.
Anyone who listens to a guy dressed up in a jumpsuit and some weird mask and takes everything he sings about as being the guidelines for life is not attached to the real world.
And as far as Slipknot being blamed for the incident, that's a load of garbage. Yes, the lyrics are violent, but they were written for the same reason that some of us paint a painting or ride a horse or play a game of solitaire: as a form of relaxation and therapy. I'm not Corey Taylor so don't hold me to that, but I am a writter, and I do know that alot of us writters use our gift as a form of therapy to help us deal with/get through whatever stressfull situation we're in at the moment. This kid obviously needed therapy. He found the outlet fr his aggressions (heavy metal music) but he obviously needed more.
My question for you (or anyone) is what are his parents saying he was like, and were they aware that he was in need of help so bad?
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/19/2008 7:43:20 AM
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i listen to satanic music just about eveyday, akercocke, dissection, behemoth....list goes on, and it doesn't affect my outlook on life whatsoever... my own brain does that. this shit is stupid and i hate when people use this weakass excuse, and besides, slipknot is angry fat kid music not satanic, so what does that tell ya? this was an angry fat kid.
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COMMENT | ugh
posted by : BrighterDeathNow
8/19/2008 7:49:08 AM
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As bad as i hate this band...they had nothing to do with it.
Maybe if you would trace it back, you would see that the parents probably were never around or treated him like total shit. He could have had mental problems and they did nothing about it. So it is easy to blame the music to cover the fact that maybe his parents were shit.
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COMMENT | let me guess
posted by :
8/19/2008 8:01:47 AM
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if the boy was wearing an abba t.s and had his hair done like their male band members does that mean that abba is dangerous and satanic music
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COMMENT |
posted by : Jan2b
8/19/2008 8:06:33 AM
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hellbanger666 opens and closes the thread.
(Ok, Moderus Prime adds a snicker to it.)
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COMMENT | here we go again...
posted by :
8/19/2008 8:14:50 AM
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for fucks sake i listen to mayhem, immortal, behemoth oh and ovcouse SLAYER each fucking day and i have nothing but love and compasion for my fellow persons.
music doesn't make people do this shit, maybe they should look at how much dad was beeting the kid or how much income the family had. you know, something a little deeper than "he likes slipknot so clearly it's thier fault"
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COMMENT | Look.
posted by :
8/19/2008 8:17:47 AM
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Guns don't kill people. Knives don't kill people.
PEOPLE kill people.
What motivates them? I think I can break it down pretty simple. We, as human beings, are born to compete with one another. Food, sexual mates, housing, pretty shiny things, etc. This poor individual who killed somebody did so because as we've become more communal as human beings, he felt "left out". Maybe he was poor, fat, ugly, intellectually incompetent....maybe he erectile dysfunction, I dunno. But obviously something in his life was less than ideal, and it manifests itself in what we deem to be "anti-social" behavior, but in a subconcious level for this guy, it was probably "eliminating competition". The victim could have been a complete stranger, and it wouldn't really make a difference. This Slipknot fan obviously failed to assimilate like the rest of us have successfully done.
Far as the music goes...none of us should kid ourselves. Metal is a very aggressive music rooted in negative emotions. But it wasn't metal music that made the guy violent, rather listening to metal music was a symptom of this kid's already deranged psychology.
I mean, really....is anyone on this board a complete ray of sunshine?
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COMMENT |
posted by : Jeki
8/19/2008 8:18:46 AM
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If all people who believe in god, satan, santa claus and the tooth fairy kill eachother we wouldn't have this bullshit anymore.
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COMMENT | Hellbanger 666 - GREAT QUOTE
posted by :
8/19/2008 8:30:16 AM
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I feel i am more offended that they consider Slipknot metal. They do have one thing right People+Shit!
I mean if the music was the issue don't you think this would happen more often?
Disturbed Kid + Metal Music + Underlying condition = you do the math
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COMMENT | "disturbed kid"
posted by :
8/19/2008 8:36:21 AM
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is a kid that listens to distrubed? lol
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COMMENT | 'community leader' should step down
posted by : Night_Prowler
8/19/2008 8:45:32 AM
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I don't like slipknot in the least bit, but this is ridiculous!
try "bad parenting" for starters, and the fact that this kid had mental issues, was never taught right from wrong, and likely a whole slew of other issues that can be listed about his bringing up that led him to do this.
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COMMENT | Earl Had to Die
posted by : DocRock
8/19/2008 8:45:36 AM
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You hear about drunken rednecks in the US beating/killing each other all the time (on accident or on purpose) and there's a song by the Dixie Chicks describing IN DETAIL a woman KILLING a man named Earl that wronged her. And it's supposed to be a POSITIVE SONG. Do they get blamed when an angry wife stabs her good-for-nothing cheatin' redneck husband? Naw... 'Cause it's country. It's music that is considered acceptable by most social groups. Except metalheads...hahaha... Irony? Yes.
Regardless... Earl did have to die, but that's besides the point. Music and other forms of entertainment can't be blamed when this stuff happens. The ones who are 100% responsible are the PARENTS. The parents are always responsible. After Columbine, they interviewed the parents of the murderous duo and they said "I had no idea what they were up to." Well maybe if you paid a little more attention to them or tried to get a little more involved in their lives then this kind of thing could've been avoided. Idiots. I mean, they were making bombs in your own freaking garage...
As a good friend once told me, "hob nob the job slob, always..."
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COMMENT | Here we go again
posted by :
8/19/2008 8:50:15 AM
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Yay, let's go blame metal music for some retard that doesn't know the difference between musical fantasy and real life.
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COMMENT |
posted by : Clit Banger
8/19/2008 9:32:06 AM
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Bad publicity is still publicity. Hence why these articles are posted on Slipknots' label's site. People die, people kill. How many people die every year for no cause? This is just an attempt to make sense of something senseless.
Besides, since when was Slipknot satanic? "If you're 555 then I'm 666" - wow, I'm scared.
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COMMENT | Why must there always be somebody to blame?
posted by : Jeki
8/19/2008 9:33:34 AM
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A mental problem isn't always to blame on parents, society or whatever. It's a sickness just like the flue or cancer.
There are always going to be sick people and sick shit will always happen.
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COMMENT | Satan?
posted by : theuser
8/19/2008 9:44:46 AM
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When something like this happens, pepole invents a scapegoat to "justify" the acts. Harmse is just another problematic afrikaner kid with serious self-esteem issues. Typical!
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COMMENT | deja vu
posted by :
8/19/2008 9:51:48 AM
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same old scapegoat hunting, we can't blame a violent society which allows a minor access to 3 swords (!) so look for a tenuous link to a sub culture.
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COMMENT | Well, he got it half right...
posted by : typeodude
8/19/2008 10:00:38 AM
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...bad music? Yes. Satanic music? No.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/19/2008 10:03:12 AM
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That Zappa quote at the very beginning is just excellent.
It is entirely obvious that music doesn't make someone do this. We've known this for a long time. No one here believes that.
Now, if an individual is fucked in the head, then they will let music become influential in some activity of this sort (murder, suicide) - BUT we're dealing with someone who is ALREADY mentally challenged. You have to be fucked up in the head to allow music to influence you to this extreme. I've listened to dark, depressing music my whole life but never got to the point of being homicidal or suicidal BECAUSE of the music.
What about all of the horror flicks that are satanic?? They're ok? What about all the homey's offing each other everyday at 12 Yrs of age? They aren't listening to Slipknot! They're listening to hip hop! Not to mention, the hip hop IS influencing them to kill each other! No doubt in my mind that young impressionable teens listen to some gangsta rap and go and kill people. In fact, all those teen murderers in the ghettos ONLY listen to this rap stuff!
The satanic thing in music is just mysterious and feared so it takes the blame.
I mean, as mentioned above, real satanic music is Anton LaVey on his keyboard playing circus music! Literally! He is a satanist in the philosophical sense of the word but plays on his organ or keyboards. It sure ain't metal either!
This is just so silly. We all know it ain't the music! Blame it on the movies or the novels or the hip hop. Why does it always have to be the metal music when the other things I just listed are just as dark?
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COMMENT | Well....
posted by :
8/19/2008 10:29:24 AM
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At least the superintendent has a decent head on his shoulders.
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COMMENT | i've said it before...
posted by : You Don't Know Me
8/19/2008 10:57:31 AM
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and i'll say it again:
I listen to metal.
I play violent video games.
Some of my favorite movies are also violent.
I grew up with violence on t.v.
Yet, i'm the most laid back, relaxed guy you'll ever meet. I've never done drugs. I don't smoke. I don't even drink.
So if I listen to metal, and like violent video games/movies/t.v./etc. WHY AM I NOT A STATISTIC!?!?!?!?
Because the people that kill other people and blame this shit on music, movies, t.v., whatever, have mental issues or problems at home before hand! Charles Manson was a fan of the fucking BEATLES and look at what he did. Look at the guy who killed John Lennon. Hell, look at Jack The Ripper. Rock N' Roll wasn't even AROUND when Jack The Ripper did what he did.
Stop using forms of media as a scapegoat!
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COMMENT |
posted by : RiotAct666
8/19/2008 11:11:49 AM
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when will the madness end?
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COMMENT | Wow...
posted by :
8/19/2008 11:32:41 AM
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It's pretty obvious that the kid was fucked up. I listen to metal, including Slipknot, and I've never wanted to kill ANYONE. And there were probably warning signs, but people were just stubborn assholes and ignored them.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/19/2008 11:48:14 AM
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Slipknot is bad, satanic nooooo
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COMMENT | Damn Convenient
posted by :
8/19/2008 12:54:02 PM
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For Slipknot to have a new album coming out and get blamed....does anybody wonder if Pierre is a street teamer?
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/19/2008 1:31:57 PM
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Someone should play that community leader some Cannibal Corpse, with the lyrics printed in front of him. He'd shit a brick.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/19/2008 2:53:09 PM
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"I wrote a song about dental floss but did anyone's teeth get cleaner?
FRANK ZAPPA
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COMMENT | you pieces of shit
posted by :
8/19/2008 3:07:17 PM
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always freak out and say "what about hip hop?".
im talking specifically about this guy who said
"they aren't listening to Slipknot! They're listening to hip hop! Not to mention, the hip hop IS influencing them to kill each other! No doubt in my mind that young impressionable teens listen to some gangsta rap and go and kill people. In fact, all those teen murderers in the ghettos ONLY listen to this rap stuff!"
do you even get the hypocrisy in that statement? metal doesnt kill people but im sure RAP does. what the fuck? what a bunch of fucking idiots. instead of banding together against the fascists and the censors, you all point the finger at another scapegoat. may you all rot in hell.
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COMMENT |
posted by : MarcusSeven
8/20/2008 1:15:37 AM
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Here we go again with the "lol blame music" thing again. I've already heard enough of it before.
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COMMENT | Wow....
posted by : Your Ornery God
8/20/2008 1:44:19 AM
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its 1985 all over again. Where's Dee Snider when you need him? lol
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COMMENT | Zodiac D
posted by :
8/20/2008 7:37:33 AM
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That asshole, Zodiac D or whatever, was referring to me. Of course, a guy like this wants to mouth off to me without addressing me or even understanding nor comprehending what I was trying to say. OF COURSE, music doesn't kill people. This means hip hop and metal and classical or whatever. My point is that why is it that movies, books, and hip hop aren't being blamed like metal which seems to be the true scapegoat here? THAT was my point.
I don't literally believe that the gangstas or whatever the fuck these punks call themselves kill because of RAP "music"! Not my point! Of course, the music tells teens to fuck people up and kill others! That doesn't mean that these kids are sick enough to actually do it! That IS indeed all the ghetto kids listen to!
Read what I'm saying before dismissing it as hypocrisy. I wasn't born yesterday and I watch what I say before I write it down as opposed to mindlessly typing.
Bottom line is, metal gets the blame and it's been this way for a while. Yeah, some rap does but primarily it's metal. NO music, NO movie, No books should influence someone to kill. If this is the case, then that someone is a sick individual to begin with! This is old news at this point and I can't believe I had to actually write this!
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COMMENT | Hmmm.
posted by :
8/20/2008 10:07:30 AM
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The usual suspects post rhetoric that they are not qualified to express. One can neither conclusively say that a person was influenced by heavy metal to murder another nor can you conclusively disprove that possibility. The trick is, few of those quoted in the press are experts on psychological disorders or listen to the lyrics of the band Slipknot. But then again, nobody who defends Heavy Metal with statements like "if the boy was wearing an abba t.s and had his hair done like their male band members does that mean that abba is dangerous and satanic music" are not looking at the situation objectively. I don't believe that music, literature or games are influenatial enough to push a consumer to such an extreme as murder, without help. But the rise of the Third Reich or the Socialist Communist state was a perfect example of mass media and ideas projected onto a national psyche. It is possible for an already vulnerable or psychologically troubled person to be swayed by the ideals or lack thereof of popular music. Metal, Pop, Rap, Jazz or symphonic farting.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/20/2008 3:01:25 PM
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slipknot is not satanic music. if anything heavy metal keeps people from unleashing their wrath on society. maybe satan did tell him to do it. i don't know but slipknot sure as hell didn't.
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COMMENT | Mad Dog Morgan
posted by :
8/22/2008 12:27:33 AM
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youre so pretentious its ridiculous.
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COMMENT | This shit's ridiculous
posted by :
8/22/2008 2:07:01 AM
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This is the shit that pisses me off. This kid wasn't influenced by Slipknot or Satan, this kid is crazy. Whether it be bullies or just the fact that he's just batshit crazy. He killed another kid, and he should be punished.
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