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ULRICH On MUSTAINE: 'I Don't Have A Problem With Him As Much As He Has A Problem With Me'
- Aug. 28, 2008
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The Quietus conducted an interview with METALLICA drummer Lars Ulrich earlier this week. An excerpt from the chat follows. The Quietus: Rumor has it that you and MEGADETH's Dave Mustaine [former METALLICA guitarist] still aren't friends. Do you have a relationship? Lars: "No. We did the movie [ 'Some Kind Of Monster', 2005], and as has been well documented, he was not pleased with what came in the movie and what came in the wake of it, and since then we haven't spoken. I'm sure we'll cross paths one day, and usually when we cross paths it's all OK. There's the public relationship and there's the private relationship. People say, ' Kerry King [ SLAYER] and METALLICA — whoo!', but whenever I see Kerry King we hug, we laugh, we talk, we embrace. I haven't seen Dave since I filmed that scene in the movie, and I'm sure I'll see him again and maybe it won't be the same — but when did he leave the band, 24 years ago, 25 years ago? Every time I've seen him since then, it's always been, 'Hey, how are you doing? What's going on?' and then there's the shit-talking thing in the press, and then I see him three years later and it's fine again." The Quietus: All this childish squabbling has been going on for decades. Can't you just call him and say, "Let's stop this now, once and for all?" Lars: "Yeah, but I gotta tell you, honestly — I don't feel that I'm the instigator. I don't have a problem with him as much as I think he has a problem with me. I've always quite liked the guy. It has a tendency to depend on which mood he's in. If he's in happy-go-lucky mood, then it's ' Lars is OK, ha ha, the little Danish guy, we used to dig holes in the earth and smoke bongs,' or whatever, and if he's in a particular type of mood then it's ' Lars is a fuckin' asshole.' I can't control that, so when people say to me in an interview, ' Dave Mustaine says this and that and that'… I can take on anybody in verbal diarrhea match, but I don't feel the need to. I keep coming back to the statistics, which are interesting: he's never played on a METALLICA record, he was in the band for 10 months, 25 years ago! That's an amazing statistic when you think about it, and still METALLICA is such a prominent part of his existence. That's just mind-blowing, because he has made some of the best heavy metal records of all time. It blows my mind." Read the entire interview from The Quietus.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2008 9:38:52 AM
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more props to dave, fuck lars, little air head!
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posted by :
8/28/2008 9:39:02 AM
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first?
its amazing how much class lars has when dealin with dave!
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COMMENT |
posted by : Your Mom's Best Friend
8/28/2008 9:42:40 AM
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And I for one am already looking forward to read Dave's response to this.
You know it's coming :-D
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posted by :
8/28/2008 9:43:58 AM
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Who´s the one trying to stir things up here about this subject, nothing but a lame excuse for publishing babble from the Danish snare roll.
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COMMENT | As Much As I Hate Lars
posted by : Cloud Connected
8/28/2008 9:44:01 AM
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he's right
Dave was in the band for a very short period of time. I mean, VERY short.
Dave needs to move on, it's quite pathetic...
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COMMENT | Verbal diarrhea match
posted by :
8/28/2008 9:45:07 AM
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"I can take on anybody in verbal diarrhea match, but I don't feel the need to."
Verbal diarrhea match? I'll have to remember that, haha!
tm
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COMMENT | This is the stuff that
posted by : 11:11
8/28/2008 9:47:05 AM
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record sales are made of.
I wouldn't call that class by the way.
And Dave didn't leave. Metallica left Dave.
Either way... the competition and love/hate relationship between the two bands have kept it interesting and spawned some of the greatest albums ever. I'm not complaining.
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COMMENT | i hate metallica
posted by :
8/28/2008 9:47:37 AM
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and i hate lars, but here, he is 100% right AND shows class.
who woulda thunk it?
i still think the new metallica songs are horrible though.
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COMMENT | I can't stand Lars but
posted by : cliffburt
8/28/2008 9:49:56 AM
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He is taking the high road here !
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2008 9:50:46 AM
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He is right about Dave moving on. Dave did fine for himself. If any of the other Metallica guys went out on their own, I'd like to see if they can succeed like Mustaine has. 10 months and something and it was 25 years ago! Since then, dave has had his troubles but that would of happened anyway. As far as his professional career goes, he has established himself as one of metal's greats on his own! Even before Metallica got huge. He's gotta move on. It's not like he isn't successful!
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posted by :
8/28/2008 9:55:55 AM
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If any of you saw Metallica: Some Kind of Monster, Dave is still upset that they thre him out of the band... I mean, really it's been 20+ years, get over it! I remember him saying that he's sick of not being the number one band and always being second to Metallica... get over that too! I mean, Megadeth have done pretty damn good for themselves... what else does he want?
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COMMENT | But it comes down to this
posted by :
8/28/2008 9:57:40 AM
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that Dave Mustaine is a great guitarplayer and songwriter. on the other half Lars is a lame-ass drummer and not a gifted songwriter.
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COMMENT | ...
posted by :
8/28/2008 10:00:25 AM
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The eternal thrash metal soap opera...don`t you just love it? It`s impossible to place yourselves in the shoes of any of these people if you weren`t there at the time but it`s still oddly fascinating to see it all played out.
Personally though I would *love* to see a Kill `Em All re-issue with the Mustaine demos on a bonus disc. He co-wrote just about the whole album ( and a good deal of RtL! ) and I think it would be nice to give him some recognition on an actual recording...as well as giving more casual fans the chance to compare the songs between Hammet and Mustaine.
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COMMENT | and so are the days of our lives
posted by :
8/28/2008 10:01:01 AM
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BLABBERMOUTH once again is really trying to stir up some shit with all the random video clips..heh
Can't wait for Dave's responce
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COMMENT | i have a problem with Lars
posted by : blackfarted
8/28/2008 10:03:52 AM
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his beyond substandard drumming and shit filled mouth are terrible.
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COMMENT | Not really surprising
posted by : lol36
8/28/2008 10:07:28 AM
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New album, new fued.
Yay, free publicity
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COMMENT | "and as has been well documented..."
posted by : Acid_Rain
8/28/2008 10:07:35 AM
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Dave was fired from Metallica, he didn't leave the band. It's obvious that Lars has selective memory to better suit his side of the story. What an assclown.
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COMMENT | It's Jamz
posted by : Some_Person
8/28/2008 10:07:37 AM
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"because he has made some of the best heavy metal records of all time."
That's nice of him to say. Seriously.
In the 'Monster' book, the chapter with Dave says "by any reasonable criteria, Dave Mustaine is not a failure".
But if you got kicked out of an organization minutes before they became super-rich, wouldn't you be pissed?
Besides, I think it was more of a case of "too many chiefs" with Dave and Jamz. I mean, we (relatively) know their personalities by now; can you see either of them sharing power?
Dave's probably still pissed at Lars because he thought he had an ally in Lars and he helped kick him out. Sided with Jamz, as it were.
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COMMENT |
posted by : zeets
8/28/2008 10:10:24 AM
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i don't know what the big deal is between these two. mustaine was in metallica less than a year. any influence he had over their direction in music or songwriting passed two decades ago.
mustaine's not the first guy to be thrown out of a band before they made it big, he's gone on to a pretty decent career, why care what metallica's up to these days?
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COMMENT | Ha sure......
posted by : Elaine
8/28/2008 10:18:14 AM
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But who has a new record every year and tours every year? Not Lars! What a nast little man he is and so in love with himself.
And who brings this battle up into the public eye every time? LARS........let it go! Se the shrink again, you need him. Mustaine doesn't do this crap. let it go1 You are stuck with Hetfield, live with it! hahahah
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COMMENT | Ulrich does sound quite sensible here
posted by : JudasRising
8/28/2008 10:20:15 AM
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At least, Ulrich gives Mustaine proper credit when he says: "he has made some of the best heavy metal records of all time". Nevertheless, it was a lousy act to take some short clips of their private talking session, which happen to present Mustaine in a bad light and probably do not give a good impression of the whole meeting, and then put them in the Some Kind Of Monster documentary against Mustaine's wishes. There was no reason to do that, except for making Mustaine look bad. But I don't know if Ulrich is to blame for that or just the documentary maker. In any case, I have gotten a little more respect for Ulrich after reading this interview excerpt and hate him a little less now...
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COMMENT | Puh, I can't really stand to STILL read about that.
posted by : resunikufesin
8/28/2008 10:22:20 AM
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Just for the record...
Lars was a big fan of Peace sells... and Rust in Peace, he also liked Cryptic Writings a lot, in a time he did not seem to like metal anymore.
Lars did backing vocals with Axl Rose on Megadeth's rendition of Anarchy in the UK in Donnington 1988.
Metallica invited Megadeth to play with them in Europe in 1993.
I think the reason Dave still hangs on to that is the special chemistry of the early days, and that people attributed the development of American metal style with Kill em all and the four of them while he crafted it together with Lars and James.
Jealousy for not getting the credit.
I met Mustaine twice or thrice (no meet-and-great-shit), he was a super cool dude and he even put The Conjuring in their set for next day after I asked him if he could do that.
He surely can be an asshole, but he made music history. Full stop. If you disagree go watch the VH-1 documentary.
"because he has made some of the best heavy metal records of all time."
It's cool Lars admitted that. And rightful, as he speaks the truth.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2008 10:25:50 AM
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Mustaine spoke from his heart on St. Anger.
He should not be crucified for it. Takes a big man to say what he did on SKofMonster.
Props to Dave in that movie for being real about it. Props to Lars for not being a conceited fuck. He knows Megadeth has great tunes. That was never in question.
Someday they will ask each other to play live. Maybe the Rock and Roll HOF performance in a few years.
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COMMENT | well
posted by : Red16
8/28/2008 10:35:03 AM
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FUCK Dave Mustaine, religious nutjob.
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COMMENT | jcdc
posted by : Cloud Connected
8/28/2008 10:41:33 AM
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thank you for being reasonable.
it's not about who plays better kids, there's always a bigger fish.
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COMMENT | Elaine
posted by : Underbody
8/28/2008 10:43:14 AM
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Last time I checked we were reading an interview and it wasn't Lars that brought it up... He was asked a question. He answered it and in my opinion showed some class unlike Dave in all of the following videos... Dave needs to grow up!
Also, Mustaine and Megadeth did the group therapy thing YEARS before Metallica did... Started with the Rust in Peace lineup in 1990.
p.s.
I'd rather have a few years between records than deal with Cryptic Writings and Risk!
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COMMENT | You hate Metallica and think the new stuff sucks? SHOCKER!
posted by : SweiitConcorkill
8/28/2008 10:57:29 AM
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Starting off with "I hate Metallica" pretty much clues everyone in on the fact that you will hate whatever they put out, no matter what.
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posted by : hippieshateslayer
8/28/2008 11:02:07 AM
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So did no one catch the comment by Dave that they were gonna throw Lars out and then Cliff died? Didn't know that one. Interesting.
And if Dave is such a relgious zealot, why is he bragging about banging Kirk's girlfriend?
So many unanswered questions.......lol
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COMMENT | sigh
posted by :
8/28/2008 11:04:01 AM
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how many musicians has Dave kicked out of his band? like 20? so maybe its like one for every year he's been out of metallica.
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posted by : Garchorama
8/28/2008 11:04:10 AM
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DAVE:
You are a loser of EPIC proportions!
Die Dead Enough please.
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posted by : trevil
8/28/2008 11:06:10 AM
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i count dave over metallica any day, they have like half as much songs as dave.
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posted by : Acacia70
8/28/2008 11:08:28 AM
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on musical merits, megadeth has always been the better of the 2 bands. dave should have nothing but pride for it. metallica has sucked for far longer than they were good. the opposite is true for megadeth. save for a few weak mid-era albums, megadeth always releases something at least listenable. metallica hasn't done that since MoP.
metallica are pussies. period.
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posted by :
8/28/2008 11:09:13 AM
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It's not Dave or Lars...it's 13-year-old idiots who call themselves "fan" and for one reason or the other think you can't listen to (and enjoy) both Megadeth and Metallica.
A Metallica/Megadeth tour would be the answer!
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posted by :
8/28/2008 11:18:36 AM
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Dave is a much more accomplished musician, he has created some of metals finest works. its just too bad he cant be happy with that cuz Megadeth has a huge following that love them to deth. my theory is that Megadeth fans are just more critical and expect more of them then Metallica fans, just my thought.oh and at least Megadeth didnt suck after their first 3 albums.
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COMMENT | things have a funny way of working out
posted by : ss1ib
8/28/2008 11:20:46 AM
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if any one else was around the first time around this shit went down knows what it really boils down to is jealousy and insecurity. I think back in the day when Dave was in the band that when he and James were together he perhaps felt insecure about James and Dave. But I also believe that it would have taken a lot more than simply telling Dave he needed to go to AA for him to sort himself out. I agree with the person who said about there being "too many chiefs" in the band at the time. I think if Dave hadn't got fired then he would have later. Probably by the time they recorded RTL. Also if Dave had remained in Metallica do you really think Metallica would still be going, or anywhere as big as they are today? I really don't think so. And there would have been no Megadeth Things have a funny way of working themselves out.
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COMMENT | Amazing...
posted by :
8/28/2008 11:26:21 AM
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what being rejected did for the guy's career. Unfortunately, this is one of the life altering incidents that shaped Dave. It's why he still has anger, and can write amazing stuff still., and it will always be a source of motivation for him.
I am surprised that Lars gave him credit for making some of the best metal albums...
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posted by : ZvartZaft
8/28/2008 11:41:15 AM
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Shit... If Dave just could shut up! How many times has he told that old boring story about banging Kirk's girlfriend??
I love almost all of his records, with the exeption of Risk and the latest one, but why does he have to behave like an ass about his really short time in Metallica? Please stop Dave!
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2008 11:44:46 AM
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"There's the public relationship and there's the private relationship. People say, 'Kerry King [SLAYER] and METALLICA — whoo!', but whenever I see Kerry King we hug, we laugh, we talk, we embrace."
Ha ha... I knew it... all that tough guy-fuck everybody stuff that Kerry spews in the press, I know that in private-face to face- it's a totally different scenario. Kerry IS actually a pretty nice guy...but, he has an image to uphold.
As for Dave... I absolutely love 'em and the stuff he does with Megadeth, but Lars has a point...
One minute, this multi-millionaire, platinum selling recording artist is talking about his family, the new studio he's building and the mansion he bought in an exclusive area... then, the next minute he's going on about how his life was ruined by Metallica 25 years ago..... it IS amazing once you sit and think about it.
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COMMENT | In the first clip...
posted by :
8/28/2008 11:54:35 AM
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Lars says Dave has a 'really tender side' that 'he's attracted to'.
I just wanted to point out how that comment clearly leaves plenty of room for sexually oriented insinuations about love triangles, jealousy, and may explain Lars' less than masculine drumming, but I shall leave such remarks for others to make.
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COMMENT | Acacia
posted by :
8/28/2008 11:58:07 AM
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On whose musical merits are Megadeth a better band than Metallica? Obviously, Megadeth has sold millions more records, played to bigger crowds, got his own XM station, and his own movie? Oh, and obviously Dave wrote all of Metallica's good music. Total bullshit handed down through millions of bong hits by thousands of stoners over the years. Back in the 80's it was Dave wrote the Four Horseman, Leper Messiah and Motorbreath. That was it. Over the last twenty years it has mushroomed into, "Dave wrote of co-wrote all of their material onthe first three albums. He was fucked, dude." Bullshit. He did come up with a few riffs, and he was in the band when "Hit The Lights" was writte, but his contribution to Metallica was FAR less then you might think. Truth is, he was so fucked up all the time that Kill 'Em All may never have come out unless they made the change.
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COMMENT | Gargamel
posted by :
8/28/2008 12:02:32 PM
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"DAVE:
You are a loser of EPIC proportions!
Die Dead Enough please."
Hmm... let's see:
-About a half dozen platinum albums
-Hired, played with and launched the careers of some of the best players in Metal
-Despite his drug use, he has aged the most graceful out of anyone else from his generation
-Plays even better now than he did in his prime
-Has wealth, a great home and a nice family
Gargamel:
-Talking shit on Blabbermouth
Who's the loser?
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COMMENT | viv campbell and jeff loomis vs mustaine
posted by : Selma
8/28/2008 12:06:23 PM
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looolll
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COMMENT | mcman71
posted by : hippieshateslayer
8/28/2008 12:16:55 PM
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The call Of Ktulu
EPIC FAIL
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COMMENT | mcman71
posted by : Acacia70
8/28/2008 12:22:53 PM
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by your logic, britney spears is a better band than metallica because she's played to bigger audiences and sold more records.
dave is a better songwriter...of course it's subjective but i'll take the first 4 megadeth records to the first 4 metallica ones anyday.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2008 12:28:59 PM
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"Besides, I think it was more of a case of "too many chiefs" with Dave and Jamz. I mean, we (relatively) know their personalities by now; can you see either of them sharing power?"
That's a very solid point. I could never, ever see that working out under any circumstances, even if everyone was sober.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2008 12:31:52 PM
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still more of this Megadeth Vs. Metallica thing? damn......
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COMMENT |
posted by : Ophydian
8/28/2008 12:36:31 PM
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"DAVE:
You are a loser of EPIC proportions!
Die Dead Enough please."
Hmm... let's see:
-About a half dozen platinum albums
-Hired, played with and launched the careers of some of the best players in Metal
-Despite his drug use, he has aged the most graceful out of anyone else from his generation
-Plays even better now than he did in his prime
-Has wealth, a great home and a nice family
Gargamel:
-Talking shit on Blabbermouth
Who's the loser?
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LOL
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COMMENT | If Dave was right...
posted by :
8/28/2008 12:42:57 PM
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and Metallica used all his riffs to greate the songs that make them where that are now the first place, the best way the Metallica's guy should deal with it is to shrug off Dave comments.
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COMMENT | Actually
posted by :
8/28/2008 12:46:30 PM
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Metallica has sold over 10 times the # of records as Britney Spears. If you just want to count American bands and artists, Aerosmith, Elvis, The Eagles, Michael Jackson, Frank Sinatra, Fleetwood Mac, Van Halen, Kiss and The Beach Boys are the only artists who have outsold Metallica. And no, Dave Mustaine DID NOT write Call of Ktulu, that was an urban legand. Like I said before, he contributed a few riffs while he was in the band, but not much, and in fact, most of what he did contibute, solos and lead parts were completely rewritten when Kirk joined. Don't beleive me? Go and find an old copy of "Metal Massacre" on the Metal blade label. This is the one recording of Mustaine and McGovney era Metallica. Listen to the lead parts and solos on the track. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING like what ended up on "Kill 'Em All". If Dave Mustaine was such a major contributer to Metallica's first three (and I've actually heard people say 4) albums, don't you think there would have been a lawsuit by now? Considering the fact that sales of those records have eclipsed Megadeth by a long shot, and we know how much Dave likes to sue people (Dave Ellefson anyone? Just for a magazine ad that told the truth?), why hasn't he sued? Because his contributions to Metallica don't add up to very much at all.
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COMMENT | jcdc
posted by :
8/28/2008 12:58:30 PM
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Or whatever your name was; great point, well made. Music is not a sport and those with technical ability (where used tastefully) should be applauded for that, but you can't use that as a basis for league tables and shit!
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2008 1:14:00 PM
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I'm glad he was dismissed from Metallica, as I love Megadeth tons more.
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COMMENT | !!!
posted by :
8/28/2008 1:22:50 PM
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Mustaine should be happy they fired him because he beat them all up. and he started a much better band but Mustaine have a more special and difficult voice for people to like and more challenging music so thats the reason didnt sell as as Metallica. but so what? he probably have enough money and he have been making good to great music for the last 20 years while Metallica have just been making shit.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2008 1:35:22 PM
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The best part of that Lars/Dave meeting on the Some Kind of Monster dvd is the Metallica commentary. When Dave mentions AA James says "whats that?", obviously joking. Kirk replies, isn't that the place where you go to get your car fixed?
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COMMENT |
posted by : Acacia70
8/28/2008 1:49:23 PM
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nah, dave was a waste case in those days. he stayed trashed and it was becoming a big issue in the band. i would have done the same as those guys and kicked him out.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2008 1:59:48 PM
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tons of dudes get kicked out of bands that become huge - stu sutcliffe anyone? pete best? dave evans? al atkins? ron mcgovney?
dave should be REALLY pleased that hes still HUGELY sucessful. most guys get kicked out of a huge band and never make anything of themselves.
the petty feud is way past the point of being interesting. kiss and make up dudes.
and i dont get why lars is admitting the press talking BS. why is kerry king talking shit about them and then hugging them? is he admitting all of it is for press?
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COMMENT |
posted by : cyrus ghahremani
8/28/2008 2:08:52 PM
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this is the first exposé that makes me side with what metallica is saying - probably because i hadn't seen those clips of james talking before.
i can completely understand dave's perspective though, or at least imagine it, it's like the worst case of blue balls ever, just a tease at what might have been-
he wasn't kicked out for his playing or personality, but because of a fight or his drinking, which he blames completely on himself, for being the reason he is not the lead guitarist in the biggest heavy metal band in the world.
despite his current success and much press, especially here, i think we should still cut him some slack
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posted by : Strychnine.213
8/28/2008 2:11:57 PM
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So what if he wasn't on a Metallica record, he helped to write some of their best songs.
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COMMENT | ..
posted by :
8/28/2008 2:15:10 PM
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do people forget Risk and Youthanasia? Whats with everyone thinking that Dave has been this underground metal god while Metallica are these lame sellouts? Not a big fan of either band anymore, but really...Megadeth put out some horribly lame albums in the 90's ( released after Load and Reload i may add..)
Dave, while a great guitar player, is just simply not as good as Metallica. Personal taste aside, Dave just needs to grow up...this whole thing is just childish and boring...
Also, i doubt very highly that the band would have ever kicked LArs out. While not an incredible drummer, he is an integral part of that band. Look at the song credits. Its James and LArs' band...period.
Second, why bash Kirk? What the hell did he do except join a band that had an opening? Ive never heard Kirk say anything negative about Mustaine ever. Dave is a baby, get over it. Your band had its day. Its over.
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COMMENT | Hetfield?
posted by :
8/28/2008 2:26:12 PM
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>Still, after all these years, a notch below Hetfield, Chuck Schuldiner >and Eric Peterson.
You just HAD to add HIM to that list, didn't you? Hetfuck isn't a pimple on Mustaine's ass.
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COMMENT | The Dane Who Barely Drums
posted by :
8/28/2008 2:48:34 PM
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just wants to spoon...isn't that what Kirk's for?
jdfu!
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2008 2:50:16 PM
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Personally I think the public are stepping into territory of a very personal situation between a group of friends, and we are only given a snippet of controlled information concerning the entire scenario.
No one goes into depth about what exactly happened towards the build up & if they did try to rectify it, and then there's always the biased opinions & well crafted public comments.
I don't think its for any of us to judge, nor do we have 1st hand experience of what happened, so it all becomes reading between the lines/jumping to conclusions.
Saying that though, this has more to do with MONEY, and we all know how money makes people dis-engage any moral or standards for financial gain. Notice how no one mentions its business & were out to make money.......I think they are all guilty of that, but I somehow find Dave to be a lot more up front on how really feels, and Metallica they have a more calculated approach which I cannot trust.
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COMMENT | who shit in your cereal
posted by :
8/28/2008 3:00:18 PM
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eat a dick guys, mustaine got kicked because he was a drunk asshole. he went on to make records that artistically kick the shit out of metallica head to head. but he's such a crybaby fuck, i used to look up to the guy, but now i cant take this anymore. My black jackson king-v is in the fucking dumpster outside my home because of his whining.
mustaine you're a rich famous rock star who has been able to tour around the world for a living, get over it. And that fact that they fired him or he left dont mean shit. but i kind of understand....
I got fired from my grocery bagging job about 10 years ago for being a fuck up. it was a small upstart place, but went on to become one of the most successful food stores since the dawn of time, even though i've moved up to being a checker at the number #2 store (after 10 years of hard dedication to my bagging craft), it still chaps my ass that I could have been a contender at the number #1 joint. fuck they even hired a psychologist and had me come in and talk about how much they hurt me, even though it was my fault for getting shit-canned in the first place. fuck the world!
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COMMENT | maybe i'm missing something here...
posted by :
8/28/2008 3:05:39 PM
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why does this have to do with metallica and megadeth? i'm watching the first video and all i see is steffi graf on a couch arguing with an oompaloompa.
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COMMENT |
posted by : jorgen
8/28/2008 3:26:21 PM
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Getting kicked out of Metallica was the best thing that ever happened to him. So he didn't find the same mainstream success; so what? Shall we break it down, with a healthy dose of hindsight?
"Kill 'Em All" vs "Killing is my Business"
Metallica wins. Boasting instant classics like, "Seek and Destroy", "Four Horsemen", and "Whiplash", Metallica rockets out of the gate with a thrash metal gem.
"Ride the Lightning" vs "Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?"
Close call, but Peace Sells takes it. The title track becomes an anthem; Megadeth sears it's name into the history books.
"Master of Puppets" vs "So Far, So Good...So What?"
Puppets. Puppets. Puppets. One of the greatest metal albums of all time blows Mustaine's unfocused drug addled meandering to bits.
"...And Justice For All" vs "Rust In Peace"
Hetfield and co. deliver a frighteningly tight juggernaut: Justice is angular, progressive and slightly unnerving. Mustaine, however, roars back with Rust, an album so well put together, you almost want to sleep with it. Dizzingly technical without sacrificing an iota of songwriting, Dave serves up his "Sgt. Pepper". Winner: Megadeth.
"Metallica" vs "Countdown to Extinction"
Both bands take a decidedly commercial route, with mixed results. The so called black album from Metallica makes them a household name. Anchored by "Symphony of Destruction" their album does the same for Megadeth, albiet on a somewhat smaller scale. Metallica's album polerizes fans; its pop sensibilities offend thrash metal purists, while others insists it is simply an evolution. Megadeth's record incites similar sentiments, and fans start an argument that literally has lasted to the present day. Both records contain some of the worst (Of Wolf and Man, Psychotron) and best (Sad But True, Symphony of Destruction) material the bands have ever released. Though Metallica's self-titled record outsells Mustaine, Megadeth is still in top form, and in hindsight, deliver a better record.
The 90's/00's:
Both bands struggle with identity in the wake of their success. Metallica cuts their hair, and puts on make up for "Load/Reload"; Mustaine entertains a rotating line-up of musicians. The universal appeal of both bands is eroded, never to be recaptured again. Tie.
Comercially, Metallica dominates Megadeth, selling 5 times as many records. However, artistically and creatively, Mustaine is victorious. Not only that, but it's important to remember, Megadeth has TWO classic records with TWO entirely different line-ups, proving that basically, it's always been 2 againt one. Hetfield/Ulrich vs Mustaine. It should also be noted that throughout the 80's, much of Metallica's material was actually co-written by Mustaine.
Mr. Mustaine, Metallica kicking you out was the best thing that ever happened to you, and the musical landscape is richer for it.
Let it go.
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COMMENT | Hey you fucking idiot
posted by : hippieshateslayer
8/28/2008 3:37:31 PM
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Mustaine DIDN'T play on the Metal Massacre comp. it was lloyd something or other.
EPIC FAIL
READ A BOOK
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2008 3:54:56 PM
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HAHAHA...lars is a funny little man.
thats right, dave was in the band for 10 months, 25 years ago. however, he wrote so much of metallica's best early work in that short time. what's mind blowing is how much dave had to do with metallica's success considering he was only there for 10 months.
i do like his last comment tho, about how dave has made some of the best heavy metal records of all time.
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COMMENT | jorgen
posted by :
8/28/2008 4:02:22 PM
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its funny comparing killem all and ride the lightning with megadeth records. cuz to me, killem all and ride the lightning are almost like hybrid metallica/megadeth records...
especially killem all where not only does he have songwriting creds, but also greatly influenced hammett's solos to the point where many of them were played as a note for note copy. mustaine's influence can be heard on the rhythm guitar playing throughout as well.
yea...10 months...25 years ago...and look how much he did
MEGADETH!!!!
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2008 4:10:49 PM
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i think dave will let it go...as soon as james and lars give him the credit that he deserves. dave was a big and critical piece of their early success and james and lars have yet to admit that. so actually, the ball is in their court.
yes lars, dave has made some of the best heavy metal stuff of all time...including the stuff on metallica's catalog.
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COMMENT | man...
posted by : Underbody
8/28/2008 4:25:48 PM
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Mustaine wrote 6 songs with Metallica. 6 songs out of their whole catalog where co-written with him!!! You people are making it seem like he was in the band up until Justice. He wasn't... get over it!
This b.s. would of went away a long long time ago if Blowhard Mustaine would just shut his mouth and get over it. What does he do? He acts like a disappointed child and says ridiculous shit like "I fucked Kirk's girlfriend" in interviews, and on T.V. Whereas Metallica on the other hand, speak the truth, he was a violent drunk and we got sick of him.
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COMMENT | !
posted by :
8/28/2008 4:30:49 PM
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guys...seriously...Youthanasia?...Risk? Cmon, these albums suck serious balls. Load and Reload did too, but at least Metallica did it first. If you look at the dates in history, it seems Dave is just a little more than behind Metallica. Its almost as if he waits to see what they would do, changing styles as they did as time went on...just an observation...
Black Album: Aug 91
Coundown to Extinction: July 92
Load: June 96
(Reload: Nov 97)
Cryptic Writings: June 97
Risk: Aug 99
Not defending or bashing, just observing...that goes for their 80's back catalog too...i mean Peace Sells wasn't released until Nov '86, by then Master of Puppets had been out almost a year.
Dave is not the big metal underground man of integrity everyone thinks he is. The man opened for Motley Crue for christ sakes (thats right...opened for ) in 2000!!!
Last word....Slayer rules both bands...period
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COMMENT | mcman71
posted by :
8/28/2008 4:45:56 PM
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How dumb are you? Lets see. A band or performer usually sues when other people use their material without crediting them. If you can take the time and read the inlay covers of 'Kill em All' and 'Ride The Lightning' you will see that Dave Mustaine is credited on 'The Four Horsemen', 'Jump In The Fire', Phantom Lord', Metal Militia, Ride The Lightning and The Call Of Ktulu. You don't even know the correct songs he was involved in you moron.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2008 4:58:35 PM
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i wonder if when lars says that dave "came up with some of the best heavy metal records of all time", in his mind, he is including the four horsemen, jump in the fire, phantom lord, metal militia, ride the lightning, and call of ktulu. that would be some funny shit.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2008 5:01:03 PM
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mustaine was CRITICAL in the early success of metallica and james and lars need to admit that. james and lars are such sneaky little bitches who conveniently just leave stuff out when they talk. dave may sometimes sound like a prick, but HE is the one that speaks the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
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posted by :
8/28/2008 5:12:17 PM
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i believe james when he says that mustaine had to go...but i think they are definitely wondering what could have been if mustaine wasn't such a drunk and drug addict.
imagine meshing metallica's golden age work with megadeth's work during that time period. and if mustaine was still there, they would still probably be makin kickass music to this day
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2008 5:13:34 PM
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lars is a whining little fuck who hasnt made any good music in about 20 years. He would like to say its mustaine but the fact is he and hetfield are weak sissy little boys and keep it going for thier own feeble little brains. THey used his riffs like it was nothing but you can hear the difference and to me thats when it all dried up for them
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2008 5:32:38 PM
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Dave is still bitter about MEGADETH being "second fiddle" to METALLICA all these years. He would've still be in that position behind Lars and James for all these years if he stayed in METALLICA.
He's been top dog in his own band all these years. What's the problem?
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2008 5:45:26 PM
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well written cannibaldave
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COMMENT | snowy white
posted by :
8/28/2008 5:46:53 PM
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no hes bitter because they kicked him out and then turned around and used his stuff to help get famous. they figured that dave was such a fukk up, this would never come back to bite them. they thought no one would ever know who he was. they were wrong.
and to clarify, dave, james, and lars would have never been able to coexist together. both dave and james can never play second fiddle to anyone, they both NEED to be top dog. mustaine in metallica was never meant to be.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2008 5:56:28 PM
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Yea, Dave in "some kind of monster" Really showed that he's the one who is still holding on to this. If you've ever known a heroine addict you know there's no freakin way to hold a band together with one, so I don't exactly feel that much sympathy for dave's plight. Acting as if he was abandoned... he got himself into the damn situation.
But why he can't let it go.... Rust in peace is one of the greatest pieces of technical work in the metal genre.. period. Although pretending he did all that on his own is bullshit... rust in peace would have never been what it was without friedman. Nothing before or since friedman has been "That" good.
Lars is being courteous enough here, Dave should follow his lead and stop being a fucking adolescent in interviews.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2008 6:05:48 PM
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ur giving friedman too much credit...he didn't do that much song writing...he just contributed his awesome-ness on the guitar. megadeth begins and ends with mustaine.
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COMMENT | Dave knows
posted by :
8/28/2008 6:55:07 PM
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A shitty drummer and phony prick when he see's one. Dave is Much better off now.
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COMMENT | Royalty
posted by :
8/28/2008 7:22:01 PM
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"If Dave Mustaine was such a major contributer to Metallica's first three (and I've actually heard people say 4) albums, don't you think there would have been a lawsuit by now? Considering the fact that sales of those records have eclipsed Megadeth by a long shot, and we know how much Dave likes to sue people (Dave Ellefson anyone? Just for a magazine ad that told the truth?), why hasn't he sued? Because his contributions to Metallica don't add up to very much at all."
As far as I know, the first drummer of Nirvana probably still got royalty for any Bleach (and Incesticide) albums sold. So and don't see why Dave shouldn't got royalties for each Metallica's album sold that he has contributed to.
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COMMENT |
posted by : RiotAct666
8/28/2008 9:10:09 PM
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Can't we just get along and put the past behind?
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COMMENT | lars is right.
posted by :
8/28/2008 9:20:42 PM
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Dave is always talking shit then saying nice things. make up your mind you god damn cry baby.
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COMMENT | fuck that
posted by : flangerzone08
8/28/2008 9:45:18 PM
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Fuck the record sales.
Fuck the concert tickets sales.
You can't bring your wealth in hell or in heaven.
Metallica is richer than Megadeth.
Lars owns more money than Dave Mustaine. $ 1 Billions Assets
Dave needs more money.
Integrity wise- Dave Mustaine owns lot of integrity for staying METAL which Lars Ulrich lacks.
Megadeth is still no.1 Thrash Metal in that genre but don't include the album sales & concert income.hehehheheh
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COMMENT | 10 months
posted by : flangerzone08
8/28/2008 9:55:58 PM
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If any of you guys agree that 10 months is not enough to be recognized as "one" of the pioneer of biggest selling metal band of all time.
Then the 9 months stay of Mr.Lars Ulrich on his mother womb is does not matter.
Dave Mustaine is one of the umbilical cords why Metallica came out and recognized as best metal band of all time.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2008 10:13:41 PM
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thing is i dont think i have actually read an article or seen an interview in a long time where Dave says anything bad about metallica or its members.
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COMMENT | dissident
posted by :
8/28/2008 10:47:30 PM
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alright, lets see it
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COMMENT | based on this, you would have to agree with lars...
posted by : gavmet07
8/29/2008 3:44:12 AM
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He has NEVER appeared on a metallica record, Ride the Lightning and MOP are masterpieces and dave has nothin on them. Id even go as far as to say the magic solo by kirk on ride the lighting (which I believe is one of the best metal solos of all time) would not exist. And I cant believe he was only in the band for 10 months. It really seems kinda pathetic that he still talks about it, he is the mastrermind behind some great megadeth albums and I dont really see how he can keep bitching.....its like an old girlfriend that wont f*** off! F*** off dave!
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COMMENT | I reflected again
posted by : flangerzone08
8/29/2008 4:15:35 AM
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I put my shoes this time to Dave again...
I would be really really big ANGRY..if my former band tops at US BILLBOARD and still coming home with huge profit over my music that I contributed.
Dave Mustaine cannot directly say this to media.
"I need more more more MONEY"
The world is complicated now, money talks.
I read this one interview that Dave even admitted selling his gear at ebay because he needs to pay huge amount.
Did James & Lars sell their smelly socks at ebay?Maybe no because they have lot of Money and Dave Mustaine wants more more more money.
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COMMENT | bitch, bitch, bitch...
posted by :
8/29/2008 4:33:52 AM
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Do a tour together, Have Mustaine come out each night, with Metallica, do one song together, so Dave will "Rust In Peace..."
I would spend HUGE money to see Metallica/Megadeth... Maybe throw in an opener, such as Anthrax, or Testament. It's about time to act like grown men... Think about getting the biggest payday, EVER!!!
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COMMENT | what
posted by :
8/29/2008 4:38:10 AM
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i don't see the problem, lars commends him for writing great records and really folks, dave mustaine is a fucking brutal prick, and he is the first to admit it. I haven't heard one good thing spouted about dave mustaine ever, im not saying lars is any better but i would take his word over mustaines
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COMMENT | dissident
posted by :
8/29/2008 10:40:32 AM
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ive looked, cant find any thing that isnt a few years old...
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posted by :
8/29/2008 10:47:14 AM
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this is all i came across, and its about a year old, clearly not anyhting negative about metallica in it..
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/interviews/dave_mustaine_on_metallica_theres_no_more_sour_grapes.html
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COMMENT | bottom line to me
posted by :
8/29/2008 11:50:28 AM
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is that the breakup 25 years ago actually did some good. the band probably would have splintered off anyway because there would have been a power struggle. mustaine is better off ruling his own roost. hetfield kind of was the silent leader of metallica, lars is the p.r. director de facto. so they each do well that way. mustaine wrecked megadeth's classic lineups and had some remarkable talent disappear (friedman, menza, poland, etc.). but the way i see it, this "rift" that disturbed the three for 25 years has produced twice as many awesome albums, and a rivalry of one-upsmanship that for at least 10 years made for an exciting arms race. i doubt we would have heard a "rust in piece" if dave was still in metallica. even though this fight obviously hurt these three guys to varying degrees, the fans certainly reaped the benefits, and that we can be thankful for.
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COMMENT | Deliverer of Ignorance
posted by :
8/29/2008 3:18:36 PM
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Oh my god...
I just read your reply to everyone bashing your obviously lacking in knowledge posts (sigh..) , the ' one spidery chord' phrase sums up your knowledge.
Stop talking about things you don't understand and take your own advice, STFU!
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COMMENT | dave mustaine
posted by : horns
8/29/2008 5:58:05 PM
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is a much better drummer than lars.
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COMMENT | lars and james rule
posted by :
9/10/2008 3:02:55 AM
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dave was a drunk who according to him fucked kirk's girlfriend so james and lars probably fired him before he could fuck their girlfriends as well. dave is a nong.
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