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SLASH On 'Chinese Democracy' Leaker: 'I Hope He Rots In Jail'
- Aug. 29, 2008
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According to the Los Angeles Times, GUNS N' ROSES and the group's former guitarist Slash have commented on the arrest of a California man on copyright-infringement charges for posting on his web site nine songs from GUNS N' ROSES' yet-to-be-released album "Chinese Democracy". Kevin Cogill (a.k.a. Skwerl), 27, is accused of posting the songs, which were being prepared for commercial release, on the Internet blog Antiquiet in June. The site crashed under the traffic, and he removed the songs after a few hours when the Los Angeles-based rock band's lawyers complained. Now he faces up to three years in prison and $250,000 in fines. On Wednesday he became the first Californian charged under a 3-year-old federal anti-piracy law that makes it a felony to distribute a copyrighted work on computer networks before its release. "I hope he rots in jail," Slash told the Los Angeles Times. "It's going to affect the sales of the record, and it's not fair. The Internet is what it is, and you have to deal with it accordingly, but I think if someone goes and steals something, it's theft." GUNS N' ROSES released a statement: "Presently, though we don't support this guy's actions at that level, our interest is in the original source. We can't comment publicly at this time as the investigation is ongoing." Read more from the Los Angeles Times.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/29/2008 1:12:57 AM
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Yeah cuz song theft is as bad as murder...he should rot in jail...wtf?
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/29/2008 1:13:54 AM
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And let me clarify I dont believe in stealing songs, but jail? Come on. If they put the damn thing out sooner, this wouldnt be an issue. You risk it being leaked the longer you wait.
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COMMENT | some rock stars...
posted by :
8/29/2008 1:18:20 AM
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need to get the fuck over themselves.
uh, yup.
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COMMENT | btw, i dig slash, but....
posted by :
8/29/2008 1:24:18 AM
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if this guy needs to rot in jail, then what did slash deserve for some of the shit that he's admitted to like, say, dealing quaaludes & whatnot?
how 'bout his former lead singer being constantly slapped on the risk for drugging & driving & crashing, ect. endangering others?
fucking hypocrites.
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COMMENT | *wrist
posted by :
8/29/2008 1:25:03 AM
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doh!
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COMMENT | no more stories about this leaker guy....
posted by : ObiWanJabroni
8/29/2008 1:27:21 AM
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I listened to that shit and those songs are fucking garbage. Stop giving this shit press. This will be the most overrated music release of the 21st century. All these years for this bullshit?!?!
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COMMENT | Its out now tho
posted by : Malio
8/29/2008 1:34:47 AM
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This had 1100 seeds earlier. LOL
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COMMENT | WORD OF WARNING!!!
posted by : BleakOutlook
8/29/2008 1:35:26 AM
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it's funny, because the demos to that crap album was leaked out on Torrentspy about a year ago. I had it downloaded and it's terrible!
I mean awful!
And granted I am not a GNR fan, but the demos were absolutely awful compared to their back catalog.
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COMMENT |
posted by : Your Mom's Best Friend
8/29/2008 1:37:06 AM
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Well, if you had actually RELEASED THE FUCKING THING a long-ass time ago like you should have, you wouldn't have to deal with this situation at all. Duh,
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COMMENT | Well . . .
posted by :
8/29/2008 1:44:21 AM
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This is a weird case..
If Axl would've released "Chinese Democracy' about a decade sooner, we wouldn't be talking about this . . .
But now that this has happened, the guy gets what he deserves... And I agree with what Slash says.
I've only heard "some" of the songs of the album on the radio.. But that's about it . . .
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COMMENT | ...
posted by : AXLzLadie
8/29/2008 1:49:17 AM
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looks like I won't be getting my free Dr. Pepper this year.
those leaked tracks are the closest thing that the fans will ever get to hearing new GNR material :/
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COMMENT | guns n roses
posted by :
8/29/2008 1:55:16 AM
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their bitches
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COMMENT | WOW! This is a first!
posted by :
8/29/2008 1:56:25 AM
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EVERY SINGLE blabbermouth poster above me is 100% correct!
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COMMENT |
posted by : cygnusx2112
8/29/2008 2:00:24 AM
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oh it's not fair slash?? aww poor baby has anyone ever told you lifes not fair? god these a-holes piss me off ...btw i hate GnR gahh their music just irks me
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COMMENT | it should be GNR going to jail
posted by :
8/29/2008 2:10:19 AM
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for making such shitty music, this leaker business is only a cheap attempt to promote the album that will flop worse than a fish on land
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/29/2008 2:14:30 AM
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This goes back to when Lars Ulrich took the Napster issue to US Senate and the ruling was that Napster be shut down and all users found downloading music be charged and possibly sent to jail. That was back in 2000. It was all because Metallica was working on I Disappear for the MI:2 soundtrack and it was leaked even before it was done and released and I don't blame Lars on that. However, it alienated many of Metallica's fans and the result was in a total fan boycott in Metallica's music and the loss of alot of fans worldwide. But If I had say $1 Million in the bank and someone stole $100, I wasn't losing much. So if Metallica lost 100 fans out of 1 million, they weren't losing much. Jump ahead from 2000, three years to the much anticipated release of St. Anger. New Metallica album. Napster is back by this time as a PAY download site and many of its offspring such as Bearshare, Shareaza, Ares, Limewire and others offer a free version of said sites as well as a premium pay verion where users can pay and get full usage of all said sites. St. Anger was so highly anticipated that in the even of songs being leaked, as this time St. Anger the song itself was already the lead single off the album, the band decided to bump up the release of the album ahead 5 days from Tuesday June 10th to Thursday June 5th, 2003. Then St. Anger tanked big time and most Metallica fans were skeptical of seeing what they could do next. 5 years later, Death Magnetic, they are streaming full songs as well as clips of songs on their website and the Mission Metallica site, where fans can preview the album before it's done. Well since Tuesdays come in the middle of the week and most people don't get paid until Fridays, what better day than a Friday to release a new album where fans can get digital versions and anything else for Death Magnetic. Also, the entire album will be available for download on the day it is released for Guitar Hero 3. So if new GnR tunes are being leaked, and they don't want it to be leaked until it's released, it will alienate fans, risk the bigger chance of it being leaked even before a release date is even announced and fans will have the entire album in their hands before the band can release it. So if songs are being stolen, yes he should be in jail because it's theft. If he is just a part of management or something giving fans a taste of new music without permission, then go for it he's not doing anything. He didn't steal them, the band knew he has them but can't stop him from doing as he wishes with them. This guy previously worked with the record company and was given the songs. He simply took what was given to him and posted them on line. "accused of posting the songs, which were being prepared for commercial release" from the above story but the original story from back in June states that he was the middle man between "a reliable source and someone who was very angry" He was given the songs from his "reliable soure" but when it was found out that he did as he pleased with them, "someone very angry" got pissed off about it and called the authorities.
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COMMENT |
posted by : Skanna
8/29/2008 2:45:13 AM
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karma for axl rose, plain and simple, for not releasing the fucking thing
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COMMENT | shizzle
posted by : CaptainObvious
8/29/2008 3:02:33 AM
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interesting choice of words considering it's the 45th anniversary of "I have a dream" and it being Obama's night and all.
But yeah. let the guy off the hook. yay socialism!
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COMMENT | ...... other albums Axl never released
posted by : My Secret Circus
8/29/2008 3:10:40 AM
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CHINESE HYPOCRISY...
(IT's JUST AN) ILLUSION III
APPETITE FOR DISFUNCTION
G'NR LIES part II
THE PATHETIC INCIDENT
the SWEET BANK ACCOUNT O' MINE ep
YOU COULD BE FINED (if you steal my crap unreleased tunes) ep
MR BROWN NOSE (an homage to Slash) ep
PARASITE CITY ep
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/29/2008 3:19:26 AM
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music should be free anyway
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COMMENT | shizzle
posted by : cliffburt
8/29/2008 3:22:05 AM
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I have to assume that your trying to get a rise out of some one.
Yes Slash is being a tad over the top with his comments but maybe he is just trying to reach out to Axl, you know treat him with a little respect,heal some old wounds.
Respect your fellow man,racist comments have no place on Blabbermouth.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/29/2008 3:35:41 AM
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Slash's next words were -
"YES THEY DESERVED TO DIE AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL!!!"
Then came the thundering applause/boos from the court audience.
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COMMENT | affect sales of the album?????
posted by :
8/29/2008 3:38:05 AM
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had to laugh at Slash saying it would affect sales of the album.... If it ever comes out, it will sell a lot, so the songs posted already aren't going to affect album sales....
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COMMENT | It's not like the dude was selling them for money.
posted by :
8/29/2008 3:43:43 AM
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He put them up for free. I really don't think it'll hurt the album's sales. If an album is good, people will buy it. Beyond that, people who don't care about Guns N Roses will continue to not care about Guns N Roses.
But Slash sounds a little dumb saying this shit. It's funny that this dude is in jail, while Bin Laden is still out there somewhere (probably in Appalachia somewhere)...
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COMMENT |
posted by : Skanna
8/29/2008 3:54:13 AM
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to joey 3
'music should be free'.
really?
then who pays for the cost of recording, touring, Cd pressing, advertising, and living costs for the musicians while they are producing the 'free' music?
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COMMENT | Shizzle
posted by :
8/29/2008 4:10:29 AM
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You racist piece of SHIT!
Regardless of the situation why the fuck would you go and take this to the next level?
FUCK YOU!
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COMMENT | Yeah
posted by : Winter Soilder
8/29/2008 4:13:59 AM
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It'd be nice if music were free, but musicians gotta eat to.
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COMMENT |
posted by : Metal Guru
8/29/2008 4:14:12 AM
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i think he should receive a prize, everybody saw the album sucks and now we are not going to lose money buying it to give a try, this deserves a medal from the president of USA
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COMMENT | So....
posted by :
8/29/2008 4:14:36 AM
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Does a library pay royalties on a cd that is loaned out, only to be made into mp3's?
Also, is this a new problem? I remember getting MOST of my music, back in the day, from a dual-deck cassette recorder...
I cannot believe I actually signed in to defend the inevitable...
Sony is HUUUGE on anti-piracy, yet, markets a dvd/cd burner, and blank media...
This is all regurgitated garbage, but this time... I'm choking on my own vomit...
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COMMENT | slash is gay
posted by :
8/29/2008 4:22:13 AM
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relax, slash is planning on getting caught for possesion of heroin, and his real intent is to be jailmates and bum blast the guy, and cum in his butt. that's what i heard, from slash.
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COMMENT | slash is gay
posted by :
8/29/2008 4:22:16 AM
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relax, slash is planning on getting caught for possesion of heroin, and his real intent is to be jailmates and bum blast the guy, and cum in his butt. that's what i heard, from slash.
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COMMENT | 'I Hope He Rots In Jail'
posted by :
8/29/2008 4:29:52 AM
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"...'cause I won't be making a penny off the ensuing excitement of the songs... not that it matters, since "Chinese Democracy" is never coming out anyway and this woopty-doo "leak" is causing a bigger sensation than if they just went ahead and released the album- not that that will ever happen."
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COMMENT |
posted by : 5551212
8/29/2008 4:32:09 AM
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slash was a drug addict wasnt he? So there you have it,he did something illegal too.I think it was wrong of the guy to leak it,but thats what happens when you make us wait that long.Besides,I am tired of millionaires bitching about losing record sales.
ANd your wife looked like a goldigger on that VH1 wives of rockstars show.SHe came across shallow as hell.If you can afford to buy your wife all that blong,no bitchin mister.
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COMMENT | get a grip
posted by :
8/29/2008 4:32:55 AM
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amazing how just about every poster above hates gnr - if i seen a bit of news about a band i hated - i wouldnt waste my time clicking on the link why not post on the bands you do like you sad fucks!
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/29/2008 4:36:41 AM
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The Axl Rose Band sucks.....
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COMMENT | FUCK OFF
posted by : Polimar
8/29/2008 5:00:36 AM
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You fucking rockstar greedy twat.
You always were a shite guitarist anyway.
Fuck GNR fuck VR fuck you and fuck record companies.
YOU CANNOT STOP FEEE DOWNLOADING ANYWAY.
LONG LIVE THE PIRATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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COMMENT | Skanna
posted by : Polimar
8/29/2008 5:03:04 AM
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Noone.
You record demos in your bedroom and play gigs in your backyard. And record companies die the death they deserve.
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COMMENT | rac1965
posted by : Polimar
8/29/2008 5:04:51 AM
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So if you're born poor you don't deserve to listen to music?
You're so stupid you don't even deserve an explanation.
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COMMENT | Racism? Slash Being a dick? Shizzle' Comments
posted by :
8/29/2008 5:19:36 AM
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When you go out of your way to suck up to someone. Say for instance you commented in the press that someone should rot in jail. Totally gay thing to do. But done to please your old pal. Then this may be sucking up. Or even...Brown Nosing. So called because you have your nose stuck up some geezers arsehole. Not in fact a reference to race.
However this may be racist...If you are from LA and involved with the Rock Scene, I strongly believe you are thick as Pig Shit. Comments on this site are a decent reflection of this statement. And seeing as your trusted leaders are "Rot In Jail" Slash and Skinny Neck Axl, I think that is case closed.
But as for that dude above being racist. I don't think so. I reckon your all a bit thick.
Love from London.
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COMMENT |
posted by : plafond444
8/29/2008 5:24:14 AM
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just the 250,000 fines can ruin his life... jail? wtf!! come on... the criminal law system is crap... a raper will barely get a year...
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COMMENT | lololol
posted by :
8/29/2008 5:27:02 AM
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Axl Rose is t3h suck so is blabbermouth posers...
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COMMENT | Slash
posted by : Norum
8/29/2008 5:32:39 AM
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Slash never copied an album in his teen days, so he's allowed to speak so! Or maybe copying on a cassette is legal and digital copying is illegal... LOL (However releasing an album before the band does it is much worse than copying)
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COMMENT | pfft
posted by : Harry Bulsac
8/29/2008 5:44:56 AM
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Some of the comments here trying to defend this guy stealing the songs are about as idiotic and naive as Kelly Bundy. The worst argument so far is that because Guns N Roses already has plenty of money and that the album has taken so long, people have the right to steal and distribute the album without the band's permission. What the fuck are you people smoking or are you really that stupid?
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COMMENT | Harry Bulsac
posted by :
8/29/2008 5:46:15 AM
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go fuck yourself.
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COMMENT |
posted by : SouthernPelican
8/29/2008 6:07:46 AM
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well said slash.
downloading a bands music = no respect for the artist. Fuck all who do it.
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COMMENT | Raige_Thy_Dark_Lord
posted by : Polimar
8/29/2008 6:09:56 AM
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St.Anger sold 3 millions in the US alone, it didn't tank it was a HUGE success, The album was utter shite, but it sold regardless.
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COMMENT | proportionality
posted by : elpee
8/29/2008 6:16:57 AM
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I see none!
stealing an album != carjacking a pensioner
America's morals are all screwed up - he should get a fine and a slap on the wrists.
Slash should not be as concerned that people are sharing music than the fact that he's been involved in the heroin scene of LA (directly or by supporting that smackhead Weiland) for longer than a lot of his fans have been able to buy beer,
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COMMENT |
posted by : MurderCapital666
8/29/2008 6:20:37 AM
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Why do Slash care, he's not in G'n'R now is he?
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COMMENT | .
posted by :
8/29/2008 6:25:36 AM
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As a huge vinyl freak myself, you can guess that I fucking love to get the LP, take off the seal, smell it (yes, they smell!!! 01010101010101010101's don't smell!!!!!!), look a t the cover and lyrics, put it on, light one up or open a cold ice one, and listen. THE RITUAL.
I download records. Of course. But there are many of those that I don't listen to just because I know someday I am going to buy them. Therefore I prefer the experience related above: THE RITUAL.
Or I download records I already have so I can put them on a digital form and take them away when I travel: I have tried to put a vinyl in my car, but after a few turns, it gets disgusting.
So, I have voth sides of the story here.
Internet has been such a joy for me, because I have been able to download records that are lost gone in many catalogs or rarities 10 years ago I only could dream of getting anyday, like pre ELF era DIO (DIO AS A CROONER ON The Domino's !!!!!)
I think is wrong to download every fucking thing you hear or see around in an advertisement. Like many kids do nowadays. They even think they have the right to do it, but they are stealing. Tape trading is not even close to this. Don't mention that. With tape trading a few albums were copied by each fan. Nowadays you can download 10 albums in 10 minutes.
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COMMENT | Slash
posted by : Olbernads
8/29/2008 6:39:11 AM
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What a hero(ine user). His drug addled brains are confusing him and Axl's weave is too tight. I was a huge GnR fan back in the day, but that era is over and there have been too many dramatics and not enough product from these guys. They can blame everyone else for ruining their profit margin, but seriously, did they actually hear the songs from Chinese Democracy? No comparison with "Illusion I & II" Axl should be more worried about why he simply no longer has the ability to turn on a crowd anymore--or even finish a show without a major hissy fit.
Watch out all you geezers who ever owned a tape recorder (myself included)! Vengence shall be mine, thus saith the washed up hair bands and their agents who needeth 20 percent.
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COMMENT | !!!
posted by :
8/29/2008 7:40:22 AM
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i agree he should go to jail, song theeft is a theft just like ay other theft!!! dont matter if the band is GNR or any other band. people can just buy music like they used to do. but i must admit i have donwloaded albums but usually old albums i wanna check out and then i buy them and also new albums that i cant wait to get out and then i buy them but we should just wait for an album to come out.
and the new GNR songs seem to be very good and they aret even finsihed and i saw Axl twice and he ery good oth times and the new songs were very good live too.
And sales today have nothing to do with how good an album is.
and so what Slash used to do heroin, he's not the only one and most of the best artist and famous people throughout history have been drug users and drunks sometimes in their lives!
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COMMENT |
posted by : mcgillroy
8/29/2008 7:42:56 AM
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slash wants to be back in. he is telling us every month. the new album must be pretty good and slash smelling business...!
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COMMENT | Hypocrite
posted by :
8/29/2008 8:23:23 AM
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How many LAWS has Slash broken ?
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COMMENT | ^^^^
posted by : DocRock
8/29/2008 8:33:15 AM
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No kidding... I'm sure Slash has had relations with underage women and used so many drugs it's ridiculous and he says a guy should rot in jail for posting a few crappy songs? SLASH is the one who should rot in jail... Just because it's GNR people are making a big deal. If it were some crappy underground metal band, nobody would care and I'm sure the FBI wouldn't have gotten involved.
Also, Slash, yes you are correct. Stealing is theft. I'm pretty sure it's actually the definition:
"but I think if someone goes and steals something, it's theft."
No shit, jackass. What a moron.
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COMMENT | .
posted by :
8/29/2008 8:40:17 AM
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Slash is just bitter because no one cares enough to leak his solo material.
We'd rather simply take a leak ON them!
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/29/2008 8:47:20 AM
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yeah, a guy who has songs from an unreleased almbum should rot in jail, Fuck you Slash! sit in your cumfy multi milloin dollar home an dream away, while you should be the one rotting in jail for, POSSESION OF ILLEGAL DRUGS!!!!and like above says, RELATIONS WITH UNDER AGE WOMEN!!!! you fucking afro pleather bitch!!
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/29/2008 8:50:32 AM
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All of you are fucking stupid.
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COMMENT | SHITSTAINSONSATAN'STOILET
posted by :
8/29/2008 8:57:55 AM
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please, enlighten us!
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COMMENT | slash, you fail
posted by :
8/29/2008 9:03:11 AM
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hell, they were probably not too dissapointed when they found out about this, it probably helped spike the hype up even more. these people need to get over their own egos. all hes concerned about is money, and sure i would be angry as well if i lost album sales, but 1- theyre FRICKEN LOADED ALREADY 2-if they didnt wait an eon to release the album, this wouldnt have happened
and FINALLY its their own fault for hyping it so much for such a long period of time. they were/are publicizing it without a definate release anytime soon. they know exactly what they are doing so they should shut up, they arent fooling anyone.
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COMMENT | Not my type of music but
posted by :
8/29/2008 9:12:32 AM
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In late 2000/2001 Napster pretty much hit its peak. Everyone was doing it, this being that time time period before Lars and James stood up for their fellow musicians. At that time 3 Doors Down released their debut album, which end up selling a couple million copies. Not bad, but at that time 2 million copies wasn't really a hell of a lot. What came out later, was that another 5-6 million copies of their album were downloaded illegally through Napster, Kazaa and Morpheus. Were it not for illegal downloading, 3 Doors Down would be far and away the biggest band at that time. U2 big. They would have been headlining arenas and sheds at that point, instead of just now. Thanks to theft, 3 Doors Down stayed in the clubs for another few years. They also barely broke even and didn't make hardly any money on the strength of a record that was getting massive airplay, and virtually everyone owned. They basically had their Appettite, Joshua Tree or Purple Rain, but unlike GNR, U2 or Prince, didn't get the money, fame or recognition they deserved. To this day, 3 Doors Down is really nowhere near as successfull as they deserve to be. Because of theft.
One other thing. Notice how none of the younger bands that we like have any success. Notice how Lamb of God and Mastadon, for example, are still playing clubs? With a shitload more radio play than Maiden and Dio got back in my day? In 1986 there was no satellite radio playing metal. The hardest music that played was Led Zeppelin. Hell, AC DC didn't get very much airplay. Black Sabbath nothing (at least in D.C.). Metallica? By all rights, with the increased exposure, better availability of the music through itunes, Amazon.com or Best Buy (which didn't exist in the 80's and Circuit City didn't sell music), Lamb of God should be rolling in it, and selling out arenas nationwide. But because you idiots steal, that will never happen. yes, I hope that asshole rots in jail.
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COMMENT | ???
posted by : Skanna
8/29/2008 9:28:39 AM
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Polimar's reply to me has to be one of the dumbest comments ever posted on this site.
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COMMENT | Sales
posted by :
8/29/2008 9:52:45 AM
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I heard a few of those songs, and I will not be purchasing Chinese Democracy.. The album sounds like an old band trying to make a comeback; nothing special about that.
If anything forgotten memories are going to contribute to the negative sales of this album, more than anything else.
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COMMENT | You got to give that guy some credit...
posted by : Sacrifice Is Pleasure
8/29/2008 10:12:11 AM
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He managed to "release" more songs in a few hours than Axl & C:o manage to release in 15 years.. =)
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COMMENT |
posted by : thethingthatshouldnotbe
8/29/2008 10:13:09 AM
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From what i remember, Slash even admits in his autobiography to frequently stealing records from the local shop, Tower Records.
Fucking hypocrite indeed.
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COMMENT | You're fucking ridiculous!
posted by : peoplehater
8/29/2008 10:18:08 AM
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You know goddammed well, if somebody stole something from you, you would feel the same way. Stop railing agains the musicians/artists because they want to get paid for what they do. Do you idiots work for free?
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COMMENT | Let Me Get this straight
posted by : Olbernads
8/29/2008 10:19:57 AM
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So, it's okay that Slash was a junkie, because he contributed a few riffs to humanity-Brillant! We should start stamping currency with his picture on it, such an American hero! Margaret Thatcher and Winston Churchill were mere mortals compared to the vast wonders that GnR did for the planet earth!
Maybe they should start a penal colony (hehe) for everyone who has ever illegally downloaded, stolen gum, not gone to church, lied to an employer, or any number of other minor crimes. Please, does anyone think that stealing music is the same as car jacking or armed robbery?
BTW 3 Doors Down faded into oblivion because they were substandard. Every song they ever wrote followed the same chord progression-don't blame it on downloading or radio because that crap still gets played for some reason.
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COMMENT | mcman71
posted by :
8/29/2008 10:35:15 AM
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Dude, I'm sorry, but I think your reasoning is flawed. 3 Doors Down still play clubs because there's not really anything special about them. They're in that same lump with bands like Nickelback, Fuel, and Staind. They play generic radio rock that most people would rather just catch the song on the radio and sing along than to actually go pay money to see. I think they're just as successful as they should be.
And Lamb Of God and Mastodon (two Os, not two As.) attract the audiences they attract. The venues they play are proportionate to their public exposure and the quality of the albums they release. Modern MTV and VH1 and all that barely play music anymore. And most major radio stations are told what's OK to play by their corporate owners. It's not DJ determined. So, great bands like Mastodon aren't getting the exposure they would have had they existed in the days before reality TV and corporate radio.
I live in Philadelphia and I've watched Mastodon go from playing in a church basement to the club that holds about 900 people to the Electric Factory, which holds about 4000, I think. It should also be noted that Philadelphia has rabid fans when it comes to everything, and certain bands that play bars elsewhere (see GWAR) play the Electric Factory here.
I'm just tired of the argument that free downloading is killing the music industry. It's not. A lack of creativity and good new bands and good material from the old guard is what's killing the music industry. Free downloading gives people the chance to hear something, especially when MTV and the radio aren't playing it. People who buy music are going to buy music. People who don't, aren't.
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COMMENT |
posted by : RiotAct666
8/29/2008 10:57:51 AM
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Hope the real chi dem comes out this year.
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COMMENT |
posted by : hippieshateslayer
8/29/2008 11:01:02 AM
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Satan Laughs As You Eternally Rot For Unlawful Computer Kilobytes.
S.L.A.Y.E.R.F.U.C.K
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COMMENT |
posted by : hippieshateslayer
8/29/2008 11:02:59 AM
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no wait
Slash Laughs As you Eternally Rot For Unlawful Computer Kilobytes.
S.LA.Y.E.R.F.U.C.K
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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COMMENT | I still think...
posted by : -gODGRINDER-
8/29/2008 11:13:21 AM
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..."Chinese Democracy" is the stupidest album title I've ever heard.
I know he's trying to be all kitschy and ironic, but it's just plain stupid.
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COMMENT | What's Slash's problem anyway?
posted by : slaytanicwehrmact
8/29/2008 11:16:06 AM
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Slash has nothing to do with CD anyway, so why does he care if it is leaked or not? I'm sure he has made plenty of $$$$ off of GNR and still does and always will. If he is not a part of GNR why is he worried about their reputation? Their reputation is pretty low anyway, because of Axl's BS and taking 14+ years to complete a new album of original material. The new album will probably be shitty as with most new releases from older bands nowadays. But of course CD will probably do well on the Billboard charts even though the people buying it know it will suck, just because it is GNR. I think skwerl could have a decent argument in court too. 1. He only had the music available for streaming and 2. He was not using the tracks for profit. It's sad-all of these bands are so "happy" to see the fans at their concerts, but god forbid you don't buy their albums they hate your guts. It's not about the music or the fans, it's about the $.
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COMMENT | ^^^
posted by : jeffgq
8/29/2008 11:17:57 AM
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you have a serious crack addiction if you think 3 doors down will ever be as big as u2. or even had the potential. the internet blocked their mammoth success huh? please.
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COMMENT | ......
posted by : ROLLERBOY69
8/29/2008 11:37:15 AM
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the last batch of songs leaked were pretty good and way better than the previous demos production wise. i'm sure if they just release the fucking album will go platinum easily!
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COMMENT |
posted by : Clit Banger
8/29/2008 12:01:18 PM
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"rots in jail" - good one. let's tie up the already full prison system so that asshole rose can sit on this album for another 10 years.
and, if you condemn the actions of this pawn, meaning that he only DISTRIBUTED what someone else leaked, then how can you justify your own admitted shortcomings? because morality is subjective bullshit in your rockstar utopia, right?
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/29/2008 12:16:00 PM
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What an overreaction from SLASH who is normally a carefree, laid back guy. If the songs are leaked now instead of in a little while in a "legal" fashion, how will that hurt the sales of the album? People are going to download now instead of a few months from now so what is the difference? How will this effect sales? People who download are going to do it anyway, it doesn't matter if it is now or before or during the release of the album. The same people will be downloading either way. Slash is overreacting here.
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COMMENT |
posted by : black_art
8/29/2008 12:40:30 PM
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thats stupid :)
i downloaded them tracks, and its ok for a side project from axl rose, not guns n roses material.
and the guy shouldnt be fined or get jail time, cause ... new bands get promotion from downloading and older and big bands get enough money from the touring and the cds sold to people who really like the band sooooo ...
if it werent for the illegal downloading most bands these days wouldnt be known and would play to 5 friends each night if all that ...
though that can be a problem in the 80's = 100 bands today = 1.000.000.000 ....
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COMMENT | the genesis of a reunion
posted by : BSlash24
8/29/2008 12:43:53 PM
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Slash is extending an olive branch to Axl, he's very nice to him in the press now, other than sort of knocking him in his book. Axl will never give in & reunite though, he's painfully stubborn it seems. Slash will show up at his show, or door...."they've rereleased "Coma" in Japan, seems its gone to #1...what I'm trying to say is, Guns, let's get the band back & do a tour of Japan".
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COMMENT | DeadSkin Mask...
posted by : Devil's Deja Vu
8/29/2008 1:15:19 PM
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Said it well....it's no G&R...is the Axl Rose Band, so why bother...
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/29/2008 1:30:23 PM
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if you don't want people stealing your music then don't price your cds at $20 or $15 for that matter. Do what Trent Reznor/NIN does...remove yourself from the labels and be innovative. And don't say your going to release a cd every year for 15 years and then never do it. GNR's shit deserved to be leaked.
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COMMENT | Why do I get the impression...
posted by :
8/29/2008 1:34:40 PM
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that Axl's going to have him brought to a dark room 'have some pipe hittin brothas go to work on him with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch'?
On a serious note...THIS exact situation has played heavily into why the album hasn't been delivered yet. There's a lot of $ sunk into this from a record company perspective and leaks directly impact their ability to recoup. It changes the landscape, impacts the deal, distribution...everything.
Strange the 'leaks' of Death Magnetic have been so well controlled. Makes me think that Axl has a curveball up his sleeve, but it's obviously real material if FBI and Interscope are involved.
Just release the damn album, and all this goes away. Thanks for listening.
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COMMENT | Music should be free !?!?!?!?!
posted by : God Damn It!
8/29/2008 1:56:52 PM
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What industry could possibly servive with that business model?!
Does that mean I can go to a resturant, eat and pay IF AND WHEN I feel like it!!!???
Don't get me wrong, he shouldn't get the chair.
Food SHOULD BE FREE, clothes SHOULD BE FREE, shetler and rent SHOULD BE FREE...
And angels SHOULD sound fuckin trunpets every time I bust a nut, but that wouldn't be reality.
And as far poor people who "deserve" to have music... that's called "A DISTORTED SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT!!!"
And just because someone is rich DOES NOT mean they deserve to be robbed. Some rich people actually come really poor backgrounds and work their asses off from nothing!
Music should be free?
On behalf of every starving artist... FUCK YOU.
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COMMENT |
posted by : God Damn It!
8/29/2008 1:58:55 PM
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*survive*
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COMMENT | petehagen
posted by :
8/29/2008 2:02:47 PM
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great post brother, i am from philly as well... Fuck the record industry and fuck slash.
Music has sucked lately, and i miss the days of pantera at the factory
and is mcman really serious about 3 doors down??? fucking idiot.. the next u2...HA
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COMMENT | Olbernads
posted by :
8/29/2008 2:21:20 PM
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Elton John and Billy Joel aren't saying anything because they're already RICH. They are far from starving artists who are the real victims of illegal filesharing. Either of them can earn between $500,000 and $1,000,000 for one show. And the Trent Reznor argument is ridiculous as well. The reason he's as big as he is and able to release an album via the internet is BECAUSE HE'S BEEN ON A LABEL FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS. I think if he walked into any radio station with "Head Like a Hole" in 1990 His contract expired at the perfect time - when he's a megastar. A great position for him not to be on a label but a horrible position for a new band.
The bottom line is good bands aren't getting signed because labels no longer have the budget to take a risk like they used to. Therefore the quality of music that you hear is declining. They can only afford to sign bands that they 'know' (and I'm not defending recent A&R signings by the majors here) are going to sell. Therefore all the music that you hear is regurgitated crap. I WILL agree with you on that. As well as the ludicrous 'War on Drugs' but that's a completely different issue.
The bottom line is now bands have less time to actually spend 'making music' and more time to worry about promoting etc...... things that record companies should do for them.
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COMMENT | slash is nuts
posted by : bollocks
8/29/2008 2:42:23 PM
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after all the drunk driving / drugging he got away with, he has no problem suggesting PRISON time for streaming Axl's stuff on the web?
how is this different than taping the album your buddy just bought?
Greed clouds the brain
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COMMENT | Slash And Burn
posted by :
8/29/2008 3:35:16 PM
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Slash is totally wrong. He should not have an opinion on this. I also hear what the man said about 3 Doors Down. They should have had their moment. The exact same thing happened to Pocket Lips in Europe. And it has taken two and a half years to get the band back to the level they should have been enjoying a couple of years ago.
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COMMENT | hmmm
posted by :
8/29/2008 8:05:31 PM
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Yeah, jail is harsh... This will only build more press for the album... Give the guy community service & put the fucking album out already... Enough dicking around. If it's good, it'll sell... If not... oh well...
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COMMENT | Rot in jail?
posted by : BrighterDeathNow
8/30/2008 12:05:44 AM
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Shit....the fucker will be eligible for parole before the album ever comes out.
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COMMENT | Slash Would Know From Experience
posted by : Rock Lobster
8/30/2008 3:36:27 AM
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Libertad was leaked almost a full three weeks before the actual release date. That when I downloaded it anyway.
PS: I did buy the album the week it was released by the way. It's sad because the only actual CD's I DO buy are anything from Mike Patton, Axl, or Slash. Between that I may pick up a classic album if the price is right. I download almost every other band.
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COMMENT | !!!
posted by :
8/30/2008 9:20:44 AM
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All the albums Slash have played on since GNR are very good, both solo and Velvet Revolver!
and yea this guy should go to jail just like any other people should to for theft. doesnt matter if its a famous band or underground metal band or whatever music.
then people who steal cars and banks should just be allowed to steal too???
and who gives a shit if Slash wears a tophat, he have been wearing it for long time and if he likes then wear it! just like anyone else should just dress in whatever they like.
yea and anything Slash and Axl Rose have done in the last 20 years is many times better than anything Metallica has done in 20 years hahah but everyone knew that.
and for me personally everything by slash or GNR is many times better than anything by Metallica.
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COMMENT | !!!
posted by :
8/30/2008 9:25:09 AM
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and yea if you are poor or cant afford the albums then you should get to listen to them unless the artist gave it to you or played for you live!!!!!
musicians and artist should get paid for their work just like anyone else!!! but the worst thing today is that only crappy "musicians(or whatever you wanna call them" like Britney, justin Timberlake and some boybands and shit like that get all the money.
thats also why people like us here on blabbermouth who seem to care about our bands and the music should buy their albums so they can keep going and make good music!!!!!
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COMMENT | slash cryin
posted by :
8/31/2008 12:28:56 AM
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If he is worried about sales he needs to get the real band back together and make a real f*ckin album.
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COMMENT | slash ya
posted by : lapax
8/31/2008 6:03:03 AM
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g n r may suck, the album should have been out ages ago, and all that shit, but in the end what this guy was wrong and what a moron for not thinking that he may get in trouble. Be it what ever band, this sort of thing really hamper the sales which is already down and I probably half the people here have never actually bought an album.
If you like the band, go out and buy their stuff if not, leave them alone and let them do what they want.
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COMMENT | Jail!!???
posted by : Raiders757
8/31/2008 4:03:41 PM
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The few of you who actually think this person should go to jail for copyright infringement are out of your damn minds. Why should the tax payers be burdened with this? Haven't they already payed enough with the FBI getting involved? It costs quite a bit of money to keep someone locked up in our already overcrowded prison system.
Enforcing copyright infringement shouldn't be the burden of the public. Enforcement of our draconian copyright laws should be funded by the media cartels. The only burden the tax payer should have, is the cost of supplying a court of law to determine if said infringer is guilty or not. The only punishment deserved is a fine. Not jail time, or community service.
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COMMENT | song boy
posted by : shawnlanewasgawd
8/31/2008 10:26:38 PM
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slap his hand, but don't put him in jail for 3 years, that does seem extreme.......especially after he removed the songs when told to cease & desist.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/1/2008 3:18:49 AM
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Its their way of living.. he should go to jail. Besides, If it was a smaller but older band like.. Dark Tranquility for example. How would you feel?
Its their god damn income
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COMMENT | Most Blabbermouth Users...
posted by : Rock Lobster
9/1/2008 6:49:31 AM
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... are idiotic morons. Some, not all.
PS: How many people here work for free?
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COMMENT | Chinese Democracy will never be released.
posted by :
9/1/2008 2:23:08 PM
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This guy isn't really committing a crime, since the album will never be heard by anyone. Can't hurt record sales of an album that will never be sold.
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COMMENT | Chinese Democracy will never be released.
posted by :
9/1/2008 2:23:31 PM
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This guy isn't really committing a crime, since the album will never be heard by anyone. Can't hurt record sales of an album that will never be sold.
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