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BLACK SABBATH's GEEZER BUTLER Slams 'Hypocrite' SARAH PALIN
- Sep. 5, 2008
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Legendary heavy metal bassist Geezer Butler ( BLACK SABBATH, HEAVEN AND HELL) has issued the following update: "Thank you all who came to see the Metal Masters tour. It was a pleasure touring with such great bands and friends — JUDAS PRIEST, MOTÖRHEAD and TESTAMENT, and their respective crews. It was great meeting everyone who came to the meet and greets after the shows. "Now back to reality. As you may know from my web site and lyrics, I am pro all life, not just unborn fetuses. I don't understand people who say they are pro-life, but then support unnecessary wars and the disgusting slaughter of animals for sport. I respect people's freedom of religion, but I absolutely abhor hypocrites. Which brings me to this horrific video [see below] of cowardly bastards in airplanes, shooting wolves for so-called 'sport,' and the hypocritical politician [referring to Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin] [she's supposed to be pro-life, remember], who allows this cowardly act to take place in her state. "I know lots of people who hunt, and I enjoy shooting at my local gun range, but I don't know, nor would I want to know, anyone who gets pleasure from this disgraceful behaviour. God/nature has created a beautiful earth, and populated it with beautiful creatures, and I believe that all life is miraculous. Why do politicians [royals included] enjoy killing so much, and treating those miracles with such contempt?" 
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COMMENT |
posted by : amonbelongstothem
9/5/2008 1:01:13 PM
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You see, we have to kill them so they don't starve to death!!
It's coming right for us!!
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COMMENT |
posted by : MetalPriestFan
9/5/2008 1:01:37 PM
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Who cares what Geezer Butler's position on hunting or Sarah Palin is.
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COMMENT | Hmmm...
posted by :
9/5/2008 1:02:16 PM
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I guess living in the Midwest I don't really think twice about hunting and the like.
Especially since the alternative is that the deer is gonna hit my car...
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COMMENT | Brilliant musician, but perhaps he's grown too used to being being indulged?
posted by :
9/5/2008 1:08:15 PM
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Such smugness makes me think that he's surrounded by too many sycophants.
I'm not saying his points are without merit I just think he being far too self-righteous and sanctimonious about them.
Geez, can you imagine all of the unscrupulous things he's done throughout the decades as a rock star?
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COMMENT | rob-mckillop
posted by : shattered73
9/5/2008 1:12:56 PM
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I'd say it's pretty safe to say he;s never killed anyone.
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COMMENT | Who cares what metalpriestfan's opinion on Geezeer's position is.
posted by : resunikufesin
9/5/2008 1:14:13 PM
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Butler is right. Full stop. This is not hunting, this is killing without respect and any risk.
And if Palin gets she job, every country outside the US will become worried. Which means that the US will be worried some years later as everything you saw comes back to you one day. With us or against us? Not again, lick my balls, bitch. I wish she goes to hell and takes those Evangelican talebans with her.
NP: Megadeth's Countdown to Extinction - cos thats what this bullshit is all about.
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COMMENT |
posted by : zerojesus
9/5/2008 1:17:12 PM
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Geezer Butlers a fucking whiny pussy
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COMMENT | MetalPriestFan
posted by :
9/5/2008 1:19:16 PM
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MetalPriestFan puts it well. But everyone, even a rock star who shows no signs of having authoritative views, has a right to an opinion.
And my opinion is, although I abhor hunting personally:
attractive women who hunt = HOTTTTTTTTTTTT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(i.e. Sarah Paley, Cindy Garrison - just a couple of obvious celebrity examples)
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/5/2008 1:19:18 PM
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I believe Ted Nugent said it best,
"You have to kill it to grill it!"
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COMMENT | Isn't it up to the federal government to protect species?
posted by :
9/5/2008 1:22:59 PM
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A good point, but a flawed one. Something tells me the governor doesn't have the authority to stop people from hunting (at least I thought that was up to the federal government) and anyways isn't the wolf an endangered species which would make hunting it poaching?
Also, aren't you from Britain Geezer, why poke around in american politics? For god's sakes Europeans complain about us trying to run the world all the time but yet they want to run our country, I don't think I'll ever understand it.
Either way, save the wolves, the most metal animal ever.
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COMMENT | Oh brother...
posted by : Minutiae1
9/5/2008 1:25:53 PM
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Well, Geezer's first problem is that he gives as much credence to the life of an animal as he does to a human. The second problem is that he's not even American, and he's nitpicking things about Palin that in the long run won't mean jack squat if she's elected VP. Not that he would know that, obviously.
Of course, anyone who makes up their mind about politics or any other important issue just because a musician said so needs help anyway, so...
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COMMENT | \,,/ ;) \,,/
posted by : rds
9/5/2008 1:26:32 PM
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EARTH...
beautiful EARTH...
everyone needs to hear EARTH...
now go out and buy EARTH/ "Hex or Printing in the Infernal Method"...............................................Doomed 2008...............
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COMMENT | Fucking Assholes
posted by : Devil's Deja Vu
9/5/2008 1:26:33 PM
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All of those who get their kicks by killing an animal just for "the sport" of it... even more so if it's wolves.
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COMMENT | Vegtanthewanderer
posted by :
9/5/2008 1:27:57 PM
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I don't know man....that owl from Clash of the Titans was pretty "Metal" HAHAHAHA
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COMMENT |
posted by : MetalPriestFan
9/5/2008 1:29:13 PM
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I'd rather not hear his opinion on political issues.
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COMMENT | Politics really don't belong here....
posted by : fuckinghateallofyou
9/5/2008 1:33:00 PM
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Music is an escape. Fuck Geezer's opinion and fuck RATM for protesting at the RNC. Make your fucking choice and vote. It's pretty fucking easy but keep this fucking shit off the MUSIC sites.
I could give a fuck who supports who. They aren't gonna change my choice. If you want a Muslim leading AMERICA, so be it. If you want an AMERICAN leading AMERICA, so be it. Just shut the fuck up and play your instruments already. That's what this site is for.
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COMMENT | A rockstar using the word hypocrite
posted by :
9/5/2008 1:35:04 PM
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Geezer as a rockstar the word hypocrite should never be in your vocabulary. How many years did you swallow, snort or however illegal drugs both in this country and your own. The last time I checked hunting was legal and drugs were not so stay out of the political arena. Yes your a vegan and hate hunting but some of us hate drug using brits who tell us how to run our country.
P.S. Geezer is a bass player God leave it at that.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/5/2008 1:35:51 PM
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I thought someone in a band called Black Sabbath would not be such a damned wuss. Hypocritical to the core. All image, as we saw with Ozzy's TV show as well.
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COMMENT | Kill the poseurs...
posted by : fuckinghateallofyou
9/5/2008 1:38:07 PM
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Change your fucking nick name then. You're name totally contradicts your fucking post. You have no right to damn anyone to hell you fucking retard. Also, learn how to fucking spell and punctuate. Your post reads like a fucking run-on sentence from a special ed class.
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COMMENT |
posted by : choko001
9/5/2008 1:38:20 PM
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that video is fucking terrible!
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COMMENT |
posted by : Elmothefuzzle
9/5/2008 1:38:20 PM
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I give a shit bout what some old washed-out musician thinks about politics
I really do
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COMMENT | humans are given too much credit
posted by : Peeps
9/5/2008 1:40:15 PM
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Humans give each other too much credit for being ABOVE the animal kingdom as opposed to being PART of the animal kingdom. Just because we can talk doesn't mean that we are all so high and mighty.
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COMMENT | Read this Geezer!!
posted by : amonbelongstothem
9/5/2008 1:40:21 PM
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http://www.outdoorsdirectory.com/magazine/Alaska_wof_control_works.htm
Geezer, why do you want Caribou to die?
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COMMENT |
posted by : Jailbait
9/5/2008 1:41:14 PM
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War Pigs.
'Nuff said.
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COMMENT |
posted by : rubthebuddha
9/5/2008 1:43:14 PM
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Anxiously awaiting Ted Nugent's response...
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COMMENT | Geezer
posted by : fullshred
9/5/2008 1:43:55 PM
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The real story:
Alaska voters shoot down predator control initiative
Mary Pemberton/The Associated Press
Originally published Tuesday, August 26, 2008 at 11:53 p.m.
Updated Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 12:21 a.m.
ANCHORAGE -- A ballot initiative that would end the state's predator control program as now conducted was failing at the polls Tuesday.
With 70 percent of the votes counted, the measure was lagging with more than 55 percent of voters saying no.
Ballot Measure 2 would prohibit the shooting of wolves and bears either from the air or once a plane has landed, unless the commissioner of the Alaska Department of Fish and Game finds that a "biological emergency" exists and has adequate scientific proof.
The measure defines a biological emergency as one in which a prey population will irreversibly decline unless aircraft are used to reduce the number of wolves and bears.
It also would require state employees to conduct predator control. Now, private citizens are permitted to kill the animals.
The initiative also would allow only the minimum number of predators to be removed to end the emergency.
Nick Jans, one of the initiative sponsors, said it was tough going up against the Palin administration, Fish and Game, and members of the Alaska Outdoor Council. A strong Republican turnout also may have hurt their side, he said.
"I think that basically we got dragged under a train," Jans said.
He also said the description of the ballot measure prepared by the lieutenant governor's office was confusing to voters.
"It reads poorly and I don't think that is a mistake. It was intentional," he said.
The state's predator control program, begun in McGrath in 2003 and now operating in five areas of Alaska, is designed to help boost moose and caribou numbers where residents say game has become too scarce.
Under the program, more than 800 wolves have been killed and a far smaller number of bears.
Supporters of the state's predator control program say it is doing some good, bringing much-needed relief to rural residents at a time when the cost of living in Bush Alaska is skyrocketing with the prices for food and fuel.
Opponents say the program, approved by the state Board of Game, thwarts the will of the people, who have twice voted to undo similar programs where aircraft were used to track and kill predators.
Opponents also say the program caters to big game hunters and guides from urban areas, mostly Anchorage and Fairbanks, by manipulating game populations unnecessarily.
Cliff Judkins, board game chairman, said he can understand why people don't much like predator control but wants Alaskans to know it is done as a last resort.
"There is just no other way to reduce the wolves," he said.
Eddie Grasser, president of the Alaska chapter of Safari Club International, the group that provided most of the money to fight the measure, said the vote shows that most Alaskans support hunting as a vital part of wildlife management.
"Our side believes we need these types of management tools available," Grasser said.
No one needs moose and caribou meat so much that wolves and bears need to be shot from the air, said Breffny Conley, 48, of Chugiak, as he prepared to vote.
"I think it is morally wrong. That is a sport for cowards," he said. "God gives us things on earth that you can work for or steal. That's stealing."
Before Alaska statehood in 1959, shooting wolves from airplanes was common. Aerial sport hunting was banned in 1972 but the law allowed aerial shooting for predator control.
In 1996 and 2000, voters rejected using aircraft to help track and kill wolves. The legislature overturned the measures.
Lin Halterman, an antique appraiser in Chugiak, said she voted in favor of the initiative because she thinks when it comes to predator control the Alaska Department of Fish and Game has too much power.
"The trouble with too much control is too much control," she said.
John Orr, 64, of Anchorage, said he voted no on all four ballot initiatives because he doesn't think voters should have to decide such issues. That's what legislators are for, he said.
"They are letting us down on the job," he said.
However, voting no on Ballot Measure 2 was easy, he said.
"There is no shortage of wolves and bears," Orr said.
His wife, Maria, said she also voted no, pointing to the motorist who last Friday hit a large grizzly bear as it crossed one of the city's busiest highways.
"It showed me they are way too close in town. This is our natural habitat," she said. "We can share the land without them overrunning us."
http://newsminer.com/news/2008/aug/26/alaska-voters-shoot-down-predator-control-initiati/
BTW Geezer, how do you eat meat? You just let others kill it for you, right? Whimp
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/5/2008 1:46:57 PM
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Sorry, but that's not even hunting.
Want to hunt? Then get on the ground and take your chances with the animal.
Shooting from an aeroplane is just as cowardly as insulting someone over the internet.
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COMMENT |
posted by : AmericanMetalHead
9/5/2008 1:48:37 PM
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Wow, get that shit up on the drudgereport
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/5/2008 1:52:50 PM
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I have no problem if you kill an animal with the intention that you will eat it afterwards. Killing something for no reason other than a bit of fun is cowardly and inhumane. If you look at that video the kill isn't clean, that is to say quick, as the rifleman has to take another shot to finish the job.
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COMMENT | should we care?
posted by : platinum maze
9/5/2008 1:53:51 PM
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isn't he British?
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COMMENT | I live in Alaska
posted by : Legacy-of-Brewtality
9/5/2008 1:56:18 PM
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Its called predator control. You can hike for weeks and months looking for a huge wolfpack. The odds of you seeing one while on foot is slim to none. So aerial is the best option and thats just for predator control. Not for a weekend deer hunt. The last time Rockstars and Movie Stars spoke out against the republicans the dems lost bigtime. Rockstars are no different from anyone when it comes to politics. Do you think the fans are idiots and cant decide for ourselves?
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COMMENT | Vegan Love
posted by :
9/5/2008 1:58:34 PM
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This absolutely disgust's me. I don't care what Geezer might have done in his past, but 2 kill animal's as far as a sport goes is just plain wrong and sad. I am embarrassed 2 know there are ignorant people in this metal scene who think this is a joke.These idiots that are running our Country and the others soon 2 come are all related somehow, and are trying 2 bring forth the New World Order.They are trying 2 fuck us up.So to every1 wake the fuck up. And the only way 2 do that is through love and compassion. So 2 any1 about 2 give me shit about this, Kindly say it as well 2 Brutal Truth, Exit 13, Carcass, Cynic, Napalm Death, Unseen Terror, Impetigo.
Peace and love. p.s. Fuck Ted nugent. (Open season) Exit 13
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COMMENT | FUCK YOU GEEZER BUTLER
posted by : Angry Johnny
9/5/2008 1:58:45 PM
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You haven't done relevant music for over 30 years. Your days of smoking and snorting yourself fucking blind and stupid have crippled your mind. Shut the fuck up.
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COMMENT | Some People Say
posted by :
9/5/2008 2:06:18 PM
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Who will rid me of this upstart people...
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COMMENT | glad he lives in the UK
posted by : Night_Prowler
9/5/2008 2:06:41 PM
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so he can't vote.
Palin is the first real woman in this entire campaign yet, and she will be the first Female VP in the history of the United States.
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COMMENT | Geezer
posted by : Renholder
9/5/2008 2:07:44 PM
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Fuck off you arrogant, British wanker. Go talk some shit to your worthless piece of shit PM, Gordon Brown.
Fuck this guy.
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COMMENT | Americans!!!!
posted by :
9/5/2008 2:13:48 PM
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Actually I love this country and Im proud to live here. Ted may have said you gotta kill it to grill it. Not kill it for fun and nothing else. I dont think Geezer should be living in this country and bad talking our liberties. I was born here I can say what I want. But he should feel privileged to live here after all the US Gov could've said get out! If I lived in England the same applies.
However, He's is making a right statement, but unfortunately he is the wrong person to say it. But enough of that when will the Sarah Palin video come out? I wanna put it on my shelf with Pam and Tommy Lee and Paris Hilton. HAHA! I have no resepct.
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COMMENT | Opinions are like
posted by : sabsRulez
9/5/2008 2:14:20 PM
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assholes. Everyone's got one. So all you retards deal with it, that GZR has one too......
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COMMENT | Hey Geezer:
posted by : yismeicha*br
9/5/2008 2:22:56 PM
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Stick to playing bass.
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COMMENT | BRITISH?
posted by :
9/5/2008 2:23:45 PM
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I'm so glad our founding fathers kicked the British's butts back in the day, so we didn't have to grow up like them! Thank GOD for The U.S.A! Please Rock Stars and Duff don't talk politics...PLEASE! Just play some music and shut up!
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COMMENT | shut up!
posted by :
9/5/2008 2:24:07 PM
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I love the music your band makes but since you are not a U.S. citizen I could care less about what you or anybody else who does not live in this country thinks about our politicians or thier beliefs.the reason he and everyone else in the world want obama is becauuse he will continue handing out money with no questions. mccain will stop giving to those countries who do nothing but bash the U.S. but do so with thier hands helo out. you want to disagree with our policies and tell us how to run fine,just do it when you can run your countries without a penny of U.S. aid or having our troops stationed in your country or near by to give you the freedom to bitch about what a horrible country we are.
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COMMENT | Night-prowler
posted by : Your Mom's Best Friend
9/5/2008 2:24:28 PM
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and all you other backwardthinking republiCunts in here:
Go ahead, keep supporting that old fart McCain and his brainwashed female sidekick - he's bound to lose anyway, along with your party's horrific stance on basic human rights such as gay rights, abortion rights, that pathetic laughable joke of an idea "creationism" etc.
In just a few months from now when the Chimp is rightfully removed from Office, the rest of us normal people out here in this thing called 'Reality' will laugh at and spit in your sorry-ass faces :-D
Fuck off.
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COMMENT | VegtamTheWanderer
posted by :
9/5/2008 2:26:16 PM
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Actually, I believe the state gaming commission would have jurisdiction over how and which animals are hunted. So, Palin has not used her position to outlaw this.
To everyone who is saying "fuck you" because Geezer has an opinion on this election: you are all idiots for getting angry at someone for having an opinion. We're not China, forchristsakes. Fuck off if you can't take it.
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COMMENT | Left wing liberal smear job
posted by : Metalcop
9/5/2008 2:27:27 PM
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It's pretty obvious from watching that video that it was carefully edited and some of the footage not actual hunting, but footage filmed specifically for the ad. There is no actual proof listed in any of those videos that shows Governor Palin supports aerial hunting....u know like a bill she signed or a speech she gave where she mentions this.
And I noticed somebody got something backwards in one of their posts. They're pro-abortion not pro-choice. We're pro-choice and we choose life. ROCK ON FELLOW METALHEADS!!!
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COMMENT | MetalPriestFan
posted by : RNR
9/5/2008 2:33:10 PM
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Then you shouldn't have clicked on the story. He has a right to speak his mind just like anyone else on whatever subject he chooses. You would not like it if somebody told you to shut the fuck up whenever you give your opinion would you?
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COMMENT | Repost:
posted by : amonbelongstothem
9/5/2008 2:33:23 PM
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http://www.outdoorsdirectory.com/magazine/Alaska_wof_control_works.htm
Geezer, why do you want Caribou to die?
It's not hunting. It's culling. Wolves were killing Caribou to point that they were at dangerously low levels.
Geezer Butler doesn't care about caribou. Love, Kanye West
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COMMENT | fuckinghateallofyou
posted by : Blindgreed1
9/5/2008 2:40:59 PM
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Since you said everything I wanted to say, I guess a thank you is in order.
BTW, wolves taste just like chicken.
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COMMENT | Who cares!
posted by :
9/5/2008 3:02:44 PM
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Who cares! I love Geezer but shut up about politics! Your British for gosh sakes what do you know about true American life and our history and ways! It would be smart for musicians to keep their views to themselves because your always going to piss off one of the sides of the views! Smart thing is keep it to yourself! We want to like you!
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COMMENT | Rats, baby!
posted by :
9/5/2008 3:11:56 PM
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I'd be willing to bet that if Geezer's house got infested by rats, his "all life is precious" tune would change to something like, "kill those fucking vermin!!" And he wouldn't be killing them to eat them, either, so it wouldn't be consider hunting. Hmm.....
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COMMENT | Mmmmmhhhhmmmm!
posted by : Blindgreed1
9/5/2008 3:19:56 PM
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I do loves me some chicken.
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COMMENT | fuckinghateyouall
posted by :
9/5/2008 3:21:54 PM
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Firstly, Obama's not a Muslim. Secondly, McCain wasn't even born in America, and arguably is not even eligible for the Presidency. So, theoretically, Obama's *more* American than McCain can ever be. Look it up.
Then again, that would involve READING, which clearly you don't do, otherwise you wouldn't be saying such idiotic things.
Vote for whomever you want - but, don't be a lying, stupid sheep, swallowing whatever your fed. Just because you *heard* something, doesn't make it so. Anyone voting for McCain that *doesn't* make at least $250,000 a year are not only voting against their self-interest, but, they're voting against America's self-interest.
You think Obama's gonna just blow tax money? How about the $10 BILLION A MONTH we've been blowing in Iraq for the last FIVE YEARS? We could've had universal health care, free college for everyone and guaranteed social security for the money we've wasted in Iraq. So, who's really smart with those precious tax dollars?
BTW, Butler lives in America and may even be a citizen at this point (not sure on the last count). As someone that lives in our country and pays taxes in our country, I'd say he has as much right as anyone else to say what he thinks - that's the American way, right? But, I realize a lot of people here that are flaming ol' Geez probably have no idea what it means to be an American - which is especially pathetic, since you likely were born and raised here!
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COMMENT | dont worry geezer
posted by : bigsled
9/5/2008 3:27:36 PM
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although this is still going to occur, we will no longer see " soccer mom" sarah, after nov. because 3/4's of this country is sick of the "elite" rebublicans !!! it will finally be over, yes !!! on a side note. the republicans are not pro life. they put pro life supreme court judges in office and have had enough now, for awhile to over turn roe vs wade but dont because they are liars, but that comes to no surprise as they lie about everything . its just a gimmick to win over the religious vote
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COMMENT | NEWFILM2000
posted by : ARCTURUS6
9/5/2008 3:34:10 PM
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Well said Newfilm2000!!
By the way, guess who the new celebrity is: Sarah Palin
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COMMENT |
posted by : sourpatchgirl
9/5/2008 3:38:56 PM
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I must admit....I was impressed by Palin. She's seems to be a pretty sharp woman.
I think this guy just needs to stick to music. I understand he has a right to his opinion but keep it away from the fans. Politics and Metal do not mix!
I think hunting is ok. Ok as long as people eat what they kill.
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COMMENT | Politics and Metal do not mix!
posted by :
9/5/2008 3:40:31 PM
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I guess you're not a fan of thrash then. half of the eighties thrash had political/sociological lyrics.
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COMMENT | Shut Up!
posted by :
9/5/2008 4:01:31 PM
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Geezer is just another celebrity in a long line of celebrities that need to shut their pie hole when it comes to politics!
Stick to what you do best and get the original Sabbath line-up together and made a record.
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COMMENT |
posted by : bigsled
9/5/2008 4:11:56 PM
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its funny how all you republicans get so mad when your idols speak the truth. wake up and go read you local newspapers books, watch most all of your news channels, even the foreign ( non biased ones) listen to all the former employees of the bush administration, the 9/11 commision , the national intelliagence estimate, most of your actors, hell even cowin powell, former commanders. 3/4's of the nation !!!
quit believing the lies and patriotic crap ted nugent/ bill oreilly spins at you. the idiotic phrases like " cut and run " and" freedom isnt free " its all bullshit, stupid !!
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COMMENT | What a GENIUS!
posted by :
9/5/2008 4:13:50 PM
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We are the only country in the world whose basic rights are GOD given - that means that government can't take them away.
The rest of the world doesn't get it because they have been a slave to Kings and Queens, dictators and tyrants.
Geezer, I love your music but you need to shut the hell up about USA politics. A foreigner telling an American who they want us to vote for or against is fucking stupid. Even more so if they are taken seriously.
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COMMENT | You go Geezer!
posted by :
9/5/2008 4:21:43 PM
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I am right there with you!
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COMMENT | Vote for me as the next president of the United States
posted by :
9/5/2008 4:22:20 PM
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I'll turn it around
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COMMENT | sepultuna
posted by :
9/5/2008 4:26:24 PM
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RE: A. Even though McCain wasnt born on continental US soil, he was born at a military base to Americans, which holds the same merits as being born on American soil - so its fine.
Actually, it's more complicated than that. "Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States." The law that conferred this status took effect on August 4, 1937, one year after John McCain was born — albeit with retrospective effect, resulting in McCain being declared a U.S. citizen. However, the question as to whether or not he is a citizen from birth cannot be answered by this law because (1) it took effect after his birth and (2) it does not state that the person's citizenship was acquired at birth, only that they are a citizen by means of the law's establishment (and, hence, at the time the law takes effect). Indeed, the law in 1936 stated that all persons born to two US citizen parents outside the "limits and jurisdictions of the United States" are citizens at birth, but the problem is that the Panama Canal Zone was explicitly excluded."
That kind of makes it sound like McCain ain't American, don't it?
One point though - there has never been an American president that was not born on American / colonial soil. McCain would be the first.
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COMMENT | Geezer has as much right as any of us to speak his opinion.
posted by : Million Dollar Man
9/5/2008 4:27:38 PM
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There are two extremes on the table: celebrities who think their word is law, and people who disregard anything a celebrity has to say simply because they're famous. Both extremes suck. Geezer is the fucking man musically speaking, and he's always seemed humble in the spotlight. If you disagree with his opinion, more power to you. Just don't be a dick about it, mmkay? Geezer certainly wasn't.
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COMMENT | NEWFILM2000
posted by : Blindgreed1
9/5/2008 4:30:15 PM
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First of all, I don't like either candidate. As usual, we are left to pick from the lesser of two evils. Secondly, you are an idiot if you are trying to compre who is "*more* American" and siding with Obama. You strike me as someone who believes evrything you read out of the Democratic party handbook. After serving 20+ years in the military and surviving as a prisoner of war in Vietnam you have the audacity to question his devotion to the American way of life? This makes you especially pathetic. Furthermore, even if Obama is elected we will remain present in the surrounding countries (just as we always have) and continue to "blow" more money on Iraq. The only difference would be the actual occupation of Iraq itself. Take your own advice "don't be a lying, stupid sheep, swallowing whatever your fed" by the Democratic party. Neither choice will be "good for America".
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COMMENT | You shitheads...
posted by :
9/5/2008 4:40:14 PM
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He doesn't say anything about hunting or killing for food, he's talking about hunting for sport. You don't think that gunning down wolves from a fucking airplane is slightly ridiculous? They should eat the wolves or at the very least make some sort of cozy hat from their fur.
Geezer is a class act all the way.
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COMMENT | i think george carlin said it best when he said:
posted by : Grusome
9/5/2008 4:43:46 PM
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"conservatives only care about unborn fetus's but once your born your on your own"
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COMMENT | GEEZER!!!
posted by : metalspider
9/5/2008 4:46:08 PM
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Geezer is 100% correct about this. He was always a musical hero of mine, glad to see he is an intelligent and enlightened guy in other areas of life as well.
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COMMENT | Politics sucks
posted by : Kissfan77
9/5/2008 4:56:19 PM
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keep it out of here even if I agree with Geezer...
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COMMENT | blindgreed1
posted by :
9/5/2008 5:30:40 PM
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RE: "you are an idiot if you are trying to compre who is "*more* American" and siding with Obama"
Really? Seems to me that if you are *born* here, than that makes you more American than someone *not* born here. It's pretty simple, actually.
Who's the idiot?
RE: "You strike me as someone who believes evrything you read out of the Democratic party handbook"
Then you must not be very bright. It's true that I vote Democratic, but, I don't toe their line - in fact, they piss me off more than Republicans, because while Republicans have no ethics or integrity, Democrats have neither, but, say that they do.
But, this much is certain: if half of everything the Democrats say is BS, all + more that comes out of the Republicans mouths is BS AND bad for the country.
RE: "After serving 20+ years in the military and surviving as a prisoner of war in Vietnam you have the audacity to question his devotion to the American way of life?"
In fact, I do. Since the only thing he has going for him *is* his POW status in Vietnam, and he's spent the last 30 years jamming it down everyone's throats, I'd say it's fair game.
Plus, this is a guy who votes AGAINST veterans benefits, votes AGAINST veterans health care, and votes AGAINST veterans pay, I'd say the only devotion he has is to himself and his money.
RE: "Neither choice will be "good for America"."
Well, *one* choice won't be good for America. One *might* be, and will definitely be *better* than the other. That would be Obama.
Obama's not perfect - he has a number of issues that I disagree with him on - but, he looks like FDR or Abraham Lincoln compared to McPOW. Obama actually comes from the middle class - as opposed to McCain, who comes from a long line of Admirals and other blue bloods - and knows what it's like to have things like bills (he only paid off his student loans within the last five years). Plus, after 232 years of old, rich, white man rule, I'd say that having a black man (and whatever his bloodline, he's identifies himself as black, and I'm sure every white person he's ever met IDs him as black) will bring a unique and totally different perspective to things. Maybe not always for the better, but, I *guarantee* that whatever Obama does, it will be much better than what we've had the last eight years.
And, to bring this full circle, Geezer says what he says because he knows people will listen to him and discuss it, whether or not they agree with him. I'd say that's a celebrity who knows how to use his fame.
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COMMENT | Keep on keepin on
posted by : Richie Cunningslam
9/5/2008 5:51:26 PM
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Nothing will change no matter who gets elected.
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COMMENT | NEWFILM2000
posted by : Blindgreed1
9/5/2008 6:05:53 PM
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So by your way of thinking; the kid from Southern California that was born in America and joined Al Qaida is more American than say the colonists that formed this great Nation? You go ahead and vote for whoever you want to pal, just don't act like you know what the fuck your talking about and expect the few intelligent people on this site to follow suit. Your guarantee isn't worth the shit that falls out of your mouth.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/5/2008 6:15:49 PM
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From the excerpt above, Geezer isn't meddling in politics: he's expressing an opinion on views held by one of the candidates. Which doesn't mean he's endorsing her opponents. Since what happens in America ultimately tends to impinge on the rest of us, why shouldn't he express his opinions (especially as I imagine he spends a great deal of time in the USA, and may even live and pay taxes there for all we know)? I thought Freedom of Speech was important to you guys
And considering these Blabbermouth posts are 99% full of people telling others what to think, or criticising anyone who thinks differently, it's kinda rich to criticise someone else for expressing an opinion (especially when it's on an issue that's rather more important than whether the new AC/DC and Metallica albums will be any good)
And, yes, I am British, a Sabbath fan and a vegetarian (I'm sure some comedian will add "and gay" - well done, very clever) but the argument would be the same whether I agreed with Geezer or not
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COMMENT | mycleaverendeavor / blindgreed1
posted by :
9/5/2008 6:57:10 PM
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Last post from me on this, bitches:
RE: Hint: original colonies. / So by your way of thinking; the kid from Southern California that was born in America and joined Al Qaida is more American than say the colonists that formed this great Nation?
To that last part, first: Actually, it has nothing to do with my thinking. The constitution (you should try READING it sometime) actually addresses the citizenship of the colonial-era Americans. But, as you'll note from what I wrote above, the law about Panama Canal births - especially from the era that McCain was born - is a lot more vague and less conclusive (though, as noted above, the law was SPECIFIC to EXCLUDE those born in the Panama Canal Zone).
Obama was born in Hawaii in 1962 - Natural Born American citizen. McCain was born in 1936 in the Panama Canal zone - American citizen, yes - NOT Natural Born American, as required by the constitution.
But, instead of just arguing because you don't like the truth, why don't you actually pick up a BOOK and figure it out for yourself?
I guess you guys just respond without actually READING (this is clearly a theme with at least blindgreed1) - this was from my first post:
One point though - there has never been an American president that was not born on American / COLONIAL soil. McCain would be the first.
What was that? What was that?
Actually, I do know what I'm talking about. But, I don't expect nor want people to follow me - I hope that they do their own due dilligence. There ain't one thing I've written that can't be backed up by facts. As I suggested, blindgreed1, try looking it up before you just spew whatever comes into your mouth.
But, I know that's tough for right wing nutballs to deal with, as reality, alas, has a liberal bias.
Oh, and to keep it on topic, SABBATH RULES.
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COMMENT | NEWFILM2000
posted by : Blindgreed1
9/5/2008 7:02:53 PM
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Like I said. You believe everything you read. Nothing but shit falling out of your mouth. The only thing you've said that isn't right out of the left wing liberal bible is "SABBATH RULES".
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COMMENT |
posted by : Meshuggah44
9/5/2008 7:07:48 PM
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save the whales!
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COMMENT | NEWFILM2000
posted by : Blindgreed1
9/5/2008 7:12:23 PM
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Those of us who've been around for over 18 years don't always need to read what happened 20 years ago to decide what to believe. I will respect your opinion for what it is: An opinion and everybody has one. Your problem is that you speak as though there are facts and guarantees involved. This is not the case. It's just your opinion which reflects your beliefs. Nothing more, nothing less.
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COMMENT | Love Geezer.
posted by : repeater
9/5/2008 9:29:42 PM
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Hope he lives forever.
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COMMENT |
posted by : Monkey Man
9/5/2008 10:02:09 PM
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It's funny how non-Alaskans don't understand this issue. Aerial Wolf killing has nothing to do with hunting. It is about predator control. People (mainly wildlife officials) go out and kill wolves in areas where they are killing off moose and caribou, which many people throughout Alaska still need for survival.
If you kill off some of the wolves, the moose and caribou populations increase to bring up the numbers so they don't get killed off in an area.
Letting the wolves kill off anything they can catch can seriously impact many of the isolated communities that hunt moose and caribou for food. When you have to pay 8-9 bucks for a gallon of milk you can only imagine how important moose and caribou are for the survival of many folks out in the villages.
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COMMENT |
posted by : RiotAct666
9/5/2008 11:49:29 PM
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Geezer rules
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/6/2008 11:37:10 AM
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she's pro death penalty and then talks about creating a "culture of life"
she also lobbied to get the polar bear out of the endangered species list.
she's a bitch. a milf maybe, but would you vote for any milf for VP? hopefully not.
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COMMENT | unbelievable
posted by :
9/6/2008 2:30:53 PM
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i used to respect geezer. but the guy is a 60 year old hippie. uncle ted hit it on the head....kill it and grill it. wolves and bears are overpopulated as are deer, and we need to control the herds, or else OTHER species will be squeezed out...to me if everyone would kindly remove their head from their ass, then we can all move forward. is palin the answer? probably not. mccain? prolly not again. but biden and obama? definately not. like uncle ted said,,, you have 2 boats, one with a lot of holes, and one i can stick my thumb in, and make it across, you know my choice. besides...americans have short memory span. in 2001, how far would obama had gotten in the elections?
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/6/2008 6:47:12 PM
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What an uninformed man, Geezer is. I never figured a metal band like Sabbath have libs in it...but I guess I was wrong.
Palin Power! She'll "pwn" ya
LOL
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/6/2008 10:05:38 PM
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Geezer Butler is right again as usual and you all know it so shut the fuck up haters! Best damn bass player ever too! He and Sabbath kicked ass a few weeks ago when I saw the tour in Pittsburgh. can't wait for the new Black Sabbath album (I refuse to call it Heaven & Hell).
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/6/2008 10:50:02 PM
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Hopefully, one day I'll get the chance to hunt Sarah Palin and her family from an airplane.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/7/2008 4:40:59 PM
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I don't get how a person from another country is not allowed to speak on American political issues. We as Americans seem to have a little too much influence on other countries' political goings-on.
Rock and roll for the past 45 years has been about social and political change. This was the whole point behind the Beatles and Bob Dylan in the mid-60's. Metal initially began as social and political commentary, as the first Black Sabbath album attests. But I guess the true purpose of metal is really about getting stoned and getting laid. Who'da thunk??
People seem to criticize Geezer for "getting high and wasted" back in the day, so who is he one to talk about moral issues? But that's the whole point of metal. Maybe some guys haven't lived the most exemplary lives, but the music says something important and powerful to us. If everyone dumped every artist who didn't live up to society's expectations, in spite of the worthiness of their works, there would be very little on our library shelves, museums, or record stores.
I'd like to see McCain and Palin do a fraction of what Geezer and his band have accomplished in bringing issues to international attention all these years.
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COMMENT | Fucking Retards
posted by : Skullchrist
9/8/2008 11:01:45 AM
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Man there are a lot of ignorant fucking retarded rednecks on here. These are the people that are an embarrassment to America.
Geezer is 100% correct. That bitch is a hypocrite through and through. Every time she opens her mouth Jesus cries.
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