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METALLICA's LARS ULRICH Breaks Silence On 'Death Magnetic' Sound Quality Controversy
- Sep. 29, 2008
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METALLICA drummer Lars Ulrich has commented on the fan-generated controversy over the audio quality of the group's new album, "Death Magnetic". Several articles from both the mainstream press and recording industry web sites have discussed the album in context of the so-called "Loudness Wars," a term used by UK publication The Guardian, which claims that the music industry is trying to make recordings as loud as possible mainly to stand out on radio. An audio clip has surfaced on YouTube comparing music from the "Death Magnetic" CD to tracks from the album used for Guitar Hero, which were prepared differently. A number of fans prefer the Guitar Hero versions. A petition circulated by some fans asking the band to remix the CD has gathered 12,000 signatures, although they are dwarfed by the nearly a million copies the CD has sold in the U.S. since going on sale September 12. Ted Jensen, the engineer who mastered the album at Sterling Sound in New York, recently responded to fan complaints that the CD is too loud and the audio is pushed to distortion levels by writing, "I'm certainly sympathetic to your reaction, I get to slam my head against that brick wall every day. In this case the mixes were already brick-walled before they arrived at my place. Suffice to say I would never be pushed to overdrive things as far as they are here. Believe me, I'm not proud to be associated with this one, and we can only hope that some good will come from this in some form of backlash against volume above all else." Mastering is the process of preparing and transferring recorded audio from a source containing the final mix to a data storage device, the "master," from which all copies will be produced. Blame for the sound quality has been laid at the feet of the band itself, producer Rick Rubin and his recording engineer, Greg Fidelman. In a brand new interview with Blender.com, Ulrich responded to the complaints by saying, "Listen, there's nothing up with the audio quality. It's 2008, and that's how we make records. Rick Rubin's whole thing is to try and get it to sound lively, to get it to sound loud, to get it to sound exciting, to get it to jump out of the speakers. Of course, I've heard that there are a few people complaining. But I've been listening to it the last couple of days in my car, and it sounds fuckin' smokin'. "Somebody told me about [people complaining that the Guitar Hero version of 'Death Magnetic' sounds better]. Listen, what are you going to do? A lot of people say [the CD] sounds great, and a few people say it doesn't, and that's OK. You gotta remember, when we put out '...And Justice for All', people were going, 'What happened to these guys, this record? There's no bass on it. It sounds like it was recorded in a fuckin' garage on an eight-track.' And now '...And Justice for All' is sort of the seminal METALLICA record that supposedly influenced a whole generation of death-metal bands. The difference between back then and now is the Internet. "The Internet gives everybody a voice, and the Internet has a tendency to give the complainers a louder voice. Listen, I can't keep up with this shit. Part of being in METALLICA is that there's always somebody who's got a problem with something that you're doing: ' James Hetfield had something for breakfast that I don't like.' That's part of the ride. "I will say that the overwhelming response to this new record has exceeded even our expectations as far as how positive it is. So I'm not gonna sit here and get caught up in whether [the sound] 'clips' or it doesn't 'clip.' I don't know what kind of stereos these people listen on. Me and James made a deal that we would hang back a little and not get in the way of whatever Rick's vision was. That's not to put it on him — it's our record, I'll take the hit, but we wanted to roll with Rick's vision of how METALLICA would sound." "Broken Beat & Scarred" album version: "Broken Beat & Scarred" unofficial remix using nothing but **six** separated/extracted Guitar Hero tracks:
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COMMENT | LARS
posted by :
9/29/2008 5:41:52 PM
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TAKE ANNIHILATOR ON TOUR, METALLICA.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/29/2008 5:42:43 PM
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Someone should tell Lars that one of the complainers is Ted Jensen.
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COMMENT |
posted by : SouthernPelican
9/29/2008 5:43:01 PM
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I like it.
there.
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COMMENT | Wow
posted by :
9/29/2008 5:44:59 PM
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I never really got into the whole sound issues, but putting the 2 versions side by side... wow... The first one sounds like complete dog dick... horrible.... the drums are so distorted you can barely hear the guitars....
I really didn't see what people were bitching about as i was just enjoying new metallica. But people have a point....
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COMMENT | WTF!!!!
posted by :
9/29/2008 5:45:00 PM
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"And now '...And Justice for All' is sort of the seminal METALLICA record that supposedly influenced a whole generation of death-metal bands."
You sure know a lot about real metal Lar$
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COMMENT | New Metallica Cd
posted by :
9/29/2008 5:46:19 PM
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SOUNDS GREAT TO ME!
People bitch just to bitch. Fuck 'em!
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/29/2008 5:51:37 PM
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What did you think he was going to say?
"Yeah, everyone return them and get a voucher for the remastered version, expect it somtime in 2020."
That's what I woulda said.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/29/2008 5:54:20 PM
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And if people bitch about not hearing the drums and bass, go listen to Rush and Primus.
Metallica is about Jame's voice and the 2 guitars. Even when Cliff was in the band.
Call it like it is.
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posted by :
9/29/2008 5:55:12 PM
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the ultimate slap in the face for Rick Rubin
any remixes made at home by fans sounding better than his multi million $ prod
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COMMENT | OK....
posted by : axxion
9/29/2008 5:55:49 PM
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I will say I LOVE the new album. BUT my wife (who listens to no metal) even pointed out that annoying clicking sound during the last 2 min. (solo) of The Day That Never Comes.
After she did that, that's all I can focus on when I hear it now. I don't know if it's from "clipping" or just the click track (which wouldn't make sense, cause it is crazy f**ked up).
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COMMENT | bunch of bullshit!
posted by :
9/29/2008 5:58:05 PM
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First point-
Those youtube versions above are not at the same sampling rate as the CD. I did a side by side comparison and my CD sounds better. That youtube one sounds like shit.
Second
I think the complainers are just listening on shitty speakers and shitty equipment. Shound great in my car and great on my kick ass hometheater setup. On the sit speakers on my computer, it can sound a bit likke bad compression.
Check you gear if you are so worried
otherwise shut up and rock the fuck on!
METALLICA RULES!
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COMMENT | Lars!!!
posted by :
9/29/2008 5:58:47 PM
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If you can;t hear that your your record sounds fucked up then you're just plain deaf! In all seriousness, I guess it is actually possible that these guys have suffered some hearing loss over the years and they really can't hear what the fans are talking about here. However, I'm sure Rick Rubin's ears are just fine! Why have we not heard from Greg Fidelman? He is directly responsible for this where as Rick Rubin is "ultimately" responsible. Kill Em All, Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, And Justice for All, Garage Days, Black Album, Load, Reload, Garage Days revisited, ....even fucking St. Anger sound better than Death Magnetic. Yes Lars, it is 2008 and there is NO EXCUSE!
p.s. Musically it's a good album though
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COMMENT | popular demand...
posted by : erpbass6
9/29/2008 6:03:54 PM
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it really means something when even the average listener speaks out against the final mix...
to my knowledge, this has been unspoken in this large of a scale.
haven't heard the mix yet for myself...but even if the average metal listener says it's horrible...probably is.
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posted by :
9/29/2008 6:03:55 PM
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Yea, I don't know how Rick is really much of a part of this. It seems he was barely there at all. Lars seems pretty pissed though lol. He is right to a degree though, it's really not that bad, suck it up and listen lol.
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COMMENT | the production on AJFA
posted by : Metal Gimp
9/29/2008 6:04:01 PM
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still sucks. even if the songwriting is good, the production doesn't do it any favours.
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COMMENT | Clipping problems??
posted by :
9/29/2008 6:05:23 PM
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Listen to Uprise from Entombed! An awesome album but it clips way worse than this. I still think this album still sounds pretty good, but The Day That Never Comes is pretty noticable, but kinda got sick of the song anyway.
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COMMENT | Ok.....
posted by :
9/29/2008 6:05:24 PM
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I wrote that post before I actually listened to the 2 versions of the song here. All I can say is OMG!!!! The 2nd version sounds great! They should hire whoever mixed that version to re-do the entire album. There is no comparison really!
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COMMENT | LARS ULRICH...EARTH CALLING LARS ULRICH!
posted by : pigchop
9/29/2008 6:09:48 PM
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http://mastering-media.blogspot.com/2008/09/metallica-death-magnetic-yes-it-is.html
"it's our record, I'll take the hit, but we wanted to roll with Rick's vision of how Metallica would sound."
Lars Ulrich
...............
Was that an 'artistic decision'? Hmmm...Let someone else choose how the record will sound? It comes across as saying the band did not care how it ended up sounding (to them), but only how Rubin thought it should sound.
So it seems that the sound of the record is directly the 'fault' of Rubin. The man must be tone deaf. Who knows - perhaps the members of Metallica are also tone deaf.
In the end...Metallica allowed the sick dog that is Death Magnetic (retail CD version) out. The record's sound quality is complete crap.
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COMMENT | stupid
posted by : BrighterDeathNow
9/29/2008 6:10:21 PM
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Fans are going to complain about this album no matter what.
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COMMENT | temp fix
posted by :
9/29/2008 6:10:22 PM
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i only listen to music on my pc i have a 200 watt 5.1 system hooked to it heh . use WMP11 just turn on the auto volume leveling control and wallah fixed. sounds perfect then lol
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COMMENT | And Justice For All,,,,,,
posted by :
9/29/2008 6:11:28 PM
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Had all the bass and no mids,, its weird what hes talking about, And Justice For All sounds good for what it was in the 80's,,I dont know what Lars is talking about that people said that that record had no bass,,,actually it had all the bass and treble and no mids,,,
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/29/2008 6:11:52 PM
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see how fast its remastered after the album sales tank!
dont worry fanboys when the album is stuck at about 1.4 million copies 8 months from now ,they will remaster it to pump up another 700k from the idiot fanboys since the music is not getting anyone to buy it!
metallica=poor ticket sales 2008
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COMMENT | What a difference!
posted by : MacHeavy
9/29/2008 6:15:05 PM
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Wow, I would not have believed if I didn't listen it myself. Well actually I believed it from the start... but to hear those two versions and to be able to compare them now. Amazing.
The CD-version sounds flat and lifeless
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the unofficial remix using nothing but **six** separated/extracted Guitar Hero tracks
sounds rich, full, clear and enjoyable. That is almost unreal (which it obviously is not since it's far superior)!
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COMMENT |
posted by : puffyballs
9/29/2008 6:20:14 PM
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Whats that STINK??
Thats the smell of success baby. Death Magnetic = Number #1.
Don't like it? Fuck you and BOW DOWN.
LARS proves once again he is METAL
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posted by :
9/29/2008 6:22:51 PM
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Fuckin' James had quiche for breakfast this morning! Bastards!!
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COMMENT | Lars is a tin ear and a tool...
posted by : PlagueBringer
9/29/2008 6:26:05 PM
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Him and Cliff Burnstein need their ears checked, as well as all the apologists who think its cool to agree with them.The album is an insult to the consumers who paid real money for it.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/29/2008 6:27:04 PM
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I've listened to it in my truck (decent mid level stereo), my home CD player, my PC speakers, my AKG iso headphones and thru Yorkville powered monitors via a Firepod. They all sound like fucking ass. I also listened on my boss's high end BMW stereo (not sure who makes that). Again - ASS.
I've always supported Lars - even thru the Napster fiasco - I was on his side.
But come the fuck on man - this is bullshit!! The record sounds inexcusably terrible. What a fucking waste of 10 great songs.
Godammit Lars - redeem yourself! Admit the record sounds totally unprofessional!! Fix this horrendous fuck up!
Only conclusion - Lars has damaged his hearing to the point he doesn't know shit when he hears it.
Step up man.
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posted by : Sabbathman
9/29/2008 6:31:00 PM
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Bitching for the sake of bitching is one thing, but bitching about a decent point is another thing all together. "Loudness war" has literally obliterated the soundscape of many albums. It's loud and proud yes, but it's also distorted and muffled in the end.
I can't but imagine Lars munching his line with his irritating wise-ass accent "Listen, there's nothing up with the audio quality."...öhö öhö öhö
I haven't listened to this album yet, but by brick-walling it or any other labum i.e. making it super-loud for lousy sound systems and too loud for proper equipment (that would have enough quality power in them to produce a forceful, dynamic sound from a dynamic mix) is PLAIN FUCKING STUPID.
"It's 2008, and that's how we make records." --> well, it's the wrong fucking way to do it! What an ignorant attitude Lars has, to say the least. So, basically he doesn't care about the sound of the album at all, since the people have already bought the album and the concert tickets.
"Rick Rubin's whole thing is to try and get it to sound lively" --> lively my ass! People think Rick Rubin is some kind of a producer god, but he isn't! Fucking sofa potato! I read from somewhere Rick did nothing but talk shit with the band while leaving all the actual producing to his engineers. Wow what a producer god he actually is!
"...to get it to sound loud, to get it to sound exciting, to get it to jump out of the speakers..." --> yeah, maybe for some puny little package stereo this is great and exciting...but not for some proper stereo system that WE THE AUDIOPHILES use.
If the new album is brick-walled, please don't compare it to Justice album, since that album actually had a weaker sound, especially the drum sound sucked big time, the drum sound was actually a cardboard box sound...
I bet the complaining people do have a point, else they would decry themselves as critics.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/29/2008 6:40:31 PM
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head_full_of_metal- and others- Garbage will sound good on a great sound system. The fact is, mastering and mixing should take into account the way most people listen to music, which is headphones, factory car stereos, and now, ipods or computer speakers. I know plenty of bands and engineers that listen to mixes on cassettes on 10 dollar walkmen or on a bad car stereo. If it sounds good on those, it's going to sound great on a killer system. Saying "you need a better system" (much like lars is saying), shows you're pretty out of touch with the world.
Also, Rubin doesn't engineer nor mix.
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COMMENT | it's all about the snare...
posted by :
9/29/2008 6:42:45 PM
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I'm just glad they put out a decent metal album I can listen to this time!!!!!
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COMMENT |
posted by : Sabbathman
9/29/2008 6:47:35 PM
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"Me and James made a deal that we would hang back a little and not get in the way of whatever Rick's vision was. That's not to put it on him — it's our record, I'll take the hit, but we wanted to roll with Rick's vision of how METALLICA would sound."
This comment cements Lars' state of mind (I can't believe he at least used to be a serious fan of Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Saxon, Iron Maiden...). So he and James just did the album and left for holiday, leaving the finalization process for others to deal with, waiting for the money to start coming in.
I guess I'll stick to the classics from 1984 to 1991, the time Metallica really meant something. I found heavy metal music through Metallica and those albums still mean a lot to me. Check out the songs and sound of Master Of Puppets...just for remembrance of the good old days.
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COMMENT | Abominal Snowman
posted by :
9/29/2008 6:49:36 PM
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I agree with you.
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COMMENT | when the guy who mastered the album
posted by : And Then There Were None
9/29/2008 6:50:02 PM
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a professional who has not only done this countless times but is affiliated with the album and thus the band, when he says this, you should listen:
"Suffice to say I would never be pushed to overdrive things as far as they are here. Believe me, I'm not proud to be associated with this one, and we can only hope that some good will come from this in some form of backlash against volume above all else."
when the fucking mastering engineer says he's not proud, that tells you something.
this is not a comment on the music quality (what i heard i liked; called it months ago, BTW, and i think they've sucked ass since the Black album). it's a comment about sound integrity.
if you don't hear a difference, good for you, but when a man who does this for a living, and can come under fire from the band and record company for being critical, says this stuff, it's hard to refute.
unless you experts who say it sounds perfectly fine are more qualified than a pro mastering engineer.
cheers.
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COMMENT | Sabbathman
posted by :
9/29/2008 6:50:58 PM
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That's not what he said nor is that what he implied. Rubin's one of the most respected producers out there, which is why they brought him on. What he's saying is, they weren't as "in your face," with every aspect, since Rubin is "the master" and they trusted his vision in the project.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/29/2008 7:07:40 PM
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The black album was pretty great, metal or not.
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COMMENT | where can i pick up the guitar hero version retail?
posted by : jeffgq
9/29/2008 7:10:02 PM
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wish i could buy the guitar hero version of the album..then i'd sell the shit sounding version on ebay to some idiot
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COMMENT | I wonder...
posted by :
9/29/2008 7:12:15 PM
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We need a tiebreaker opinion, 'cuz I don't know if we can trust these cats and their 50-grand stereos. Someone oughtta ask Flemming Rasmussen what HE thinks of the mix.
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COMMENT | hmm...
posted by :
9/29/2008 7:13:00 PM
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More denial from Lars... I wonder if he asked his Dad's opinion yet... His Dad won't hold a punch...
So, I only noticed about 4 posters on here who are still in denial about the sound of the cd...
I say we just keep right on making a stink about it, until cds are no longer mixed like shit. This IS 2008... Getting good sound quality should not be a problem...
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COMMENT | i have heard a few songs
posted by :
9/29/2008 7:15:35 PM
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the sound is loud and distorted, it doesn't sound that great.....
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COMMENT | The first version
posted by :
9/29/2008 7:24:36 PM
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is BS. They intentionally used a shit version to compare it to the GH3 version. That said, I do sort of prefer the GH3 versions (bought the CD and d/l'd the GH3 version)
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COMMENT | metallica=marketing product
posted by : truemetalhead
9/29/2008 7:27:58 PM
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...dont you think metallica are posers for false metal people? then check this duet with ja rule LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtSvSkBwhh8
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COMMENT | Agreed
posted by : Darkmatter
9/29/2008 7:41:39 PM
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The CD version is distorted all over the place and if you can't hear it you're deaf as it is. The GH3 version is insanely better on a lot of levels but not a great mix. Still, this song f'n rules and it's woken up that inspiration from Metallica once more. Lots of good stuff on this CD despite the criticism of the riffs, etc.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/29/2008 7:42:26 PM
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my first post here...
i feel that the metallica "camp" is very ignorant on this issue especially as it's clear that the guitar hero version sounds so mutch better... i still suspect that is the real version and the other is lars or james making a last minute bad desicion
metallica is powerfull crunching riffs in my world and the filter (or whatever) they used just make it sound loud and distorted just fucks everything up into some unlistnable mess..
the volume thing is kinda spinal tab and the result of it is that you turn the cd version down and don't rellay want to hear it again cause it's so unpleasant but the guitar hero version you turn up and really enjoy..
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COMMENT |
posted by : TheEagle
9/29/2008 7:46:06 PM
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The album was over-pushed to make it sound real loud and to compete with what's on the market now. Bad engineering decision!
Yet Lars is right about it, that's how it is and you can't do much about it other than whine like a baby. Go buy GH3 or download one of the few leaks of it and burn yourself a CD. It's not like it will make a change in their wallet in the end, right? There's a few hundred of thousands of people not complaining a bit about it and gladly paid a dozen of bucks for it... in the end this is all that matters to them: the albums works real well!
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COMMENT | ..
posted by : Pod
9/29/2008 7:47:36 PM
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Sorry fanboys but this really is indefensible, they botched the sound of the album.
It's not bashing for the sake of bashing, it's constructive criticism, I actually like the album, I think it's a good effort, but honestly how can you listen to those samples side by side and not arrive at the same conclusion.
And BY THE WAY, the people complaining about the album's sound are NOT just dorks who live in their parent's basement or brainless Metallica bashers, many of them are SOUND ENGINEERS AND PRODUCERS who KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
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COMMENT | THEY NEED 'TERRY DATE' OR 'ANDY SNEAP'............
posted by : southmetal_guy
9/29/2008 7:51:03 PM
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FOR AN AWESOME SOUNDING METAL ALBUM. GOOD OR BAD PRODUCTION, THE ALBUM STILL SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/29/2008 7:52:25 PM
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to say the second is better than the first is like saying rib eye is better than prime rib..... the only thing donbe to the second one is it's filtered!!! nothing more.... actually you loose sound!! there is a live feel to this record, so why take it away?? why filter it and layer it to the max?? keep it simple!!!!
now if this had been some new act that was on the verge of blowing up... people would move it...
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COMMENT |
posted by : Darkmatter
9/29/2008 7:52:47 PM
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Pod speaks the truth. There's no doubt that there's some massive "crispies", mostly coming from the guitar tracks, which could have been avoided all together. Almost sounds like they were tracked way too hot digitally and, quite possibly, no one really noticed till it was too late.
I don't think the mastering had much to do with it other than to amplify the problem, which if there are any, mastering usually will do.
Problem is, distortion like that will tire the listener after a while, which is regretable.
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COMMENT |
posted by : Grusome
9/29/2008 7:57:14 PM
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all they did was turn down the bass and up the treble on the album version and vise versa on the guitar hero version i prefer the album version i do not know what people are bitching about sounds good to me well as good as metallica can sound......
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COMMENT | wow...
posted by :
9/29/2008 8:04:14 PM
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i never noticed it before THAT much until i heard this remixed version lol, still love the album tho
Death Magnetic>anything slayers ever done
...yeah...bring some controversy in there...
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COMMENT |
posted by : opex
9/29/2008 8:06:13 PM
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Wow..
that difference is insane.
The guitar hero version sounds so much better. Glad I never bought this CD.
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COMMENT | From someone who has yet to hear the album...
posted by :
9/29/2008 8:08:43 PM
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Wow. At first I didn't think the first one sounded too bad.. but when I thought about cranking the volume... I cringed and realized exactly what that would sound like.
The Guitar Hero one is definitely a superior mix by far...
but um... what the fuck is lars talking about when he says:
"And now '...And Justice for All' is sort of the seminal METALLICA record that supposedly influenced a whole generation of death-metal bands."
Is he high? Does he even know what Death Metal is? And for the record, I would say Master of Puppets is their most influential album. Justice was when they started to suck.
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COMMENT | Love the Album...
posted by : F Bush
9/29/2008 8:14:54 PM
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...but the weird thing is that it sound really great in my car but not good on my computer speakers. My car is Mazda 3 with a factory upgrade. Decent but nothing exotic. My computer is basic 3 speaker Labtec. Nothing special either, but I've never had an album that sounds really good in the car and bad on the computer, or vice versa. Who knows?? fortunately I drive a lot. Did I mentioned the album kicks major ass?
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COMMENT | DM sounds just fine
posted by : RiotAct666
9/29/2008 8:15:15 PM
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I have the GH3 version and the coffin box set. metallica owns all \m/
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COMMENT | Goddamn it's Electric!!
posted by :
9/29/2008 8:20:05 PM
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Lar$ is basically saying to everyone fuck off, we like the album and don't care if you do!!! We already sold the album and tix for upcoming shows and we have our $$$ Any f'kin questions? Business as usual.... another day in the life of Metallica.
Love it or hate, the new album is makin everyone talk....so it's good publicity.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/29/2008 8:24:37 PM
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I have played the mp3s in my mp3 player (the leaked version) and I have played the CD in the car and both sounds great. It sounds better when you turn it up loud.
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COMMENT | Zimzumm
posted by :
9/29/2008 8:37:03 PM
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"dont worry fanboys when the album is stuck at about 1.4 million copies 8 months from now ,they will remaster it to pump up another 700k from the idiot fanboys since the music is not getting anyone to buy it!
metallica=poor ticket sales 2008"
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...'Since the music is not getting anyone to buy it'? I know you're a fucking retard, but seriously? The album is number one in like twenty countries. Poor ticket sales? Half of their U.S. shows are already sold out. I mean we're talking about arenas that seat 20,000 plus...either sold out or only upper level last row seats available.
It's one thing to give your ignorant opinion about Metallica, but you're talking about shit that is just flat out factually incorrect. You are so far beyond any other retard on this site. And, that is a fucking bold statement to make. I have yet to read a post by you that contained anything that resembled a coherent or intelligent statement.
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posted by : dallaswillis
9/29/2008 8:52:44 PM
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The songs are pretty cool, but the album sounds like shit. I cant listen to it...as much as I would like to, it sounds so fucking terrible I cant take it.
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COMMENT | Sabbathman
posted by :
9/29/2008 8:53:29 PM
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"So he and James just did the album and left for holiday, leaving the finalization process for others to deal with, waiting for the money to start coming in."
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They didn't go on "holiday", they went straight to Europe to play some badass shows to fifty thousand fans. Leaving the finalization process for others to "deal with"? They were paying those people to "deal with" it. It's those people's fucking jobs. Waiting for the "money to start coming in"? James and Lars are fucking filthy rich! They don't need your money! I don't understand why people can't comprehend that. If they were in it just for the money then they wouldn't make any more albums, they wouldn't tour, and they would just retire Metallica. They still have a passion for making music. It's unbelievable that so many retards feel betrayed because they got rich making great music that they loved making. It's like people expect them to give all proceeds of their album sales to charity and remain poor like they were when they made Kill 'em All.
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COMMENT | why is everyone concerned about sound quality
posted by : MR MASS
9/29/2008 8:54:16 PM
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why is everyone concerned about sound quality - this was yet another attempt for metallica to "get back to their roots" which failed miserably.
Their talent has deteriorated. Hetfields lyrics are idiotic sounding. the music is bland at best.
death magnetic = Cliff rolling in his grave 2008
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COMMENT |
posted by : pigchop
9/29/2008 8:54:54 PM
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DM sounds just fine
posted by : RiotAct666
9/29/2008 8:15:15 PM
"I have the GH3 version and the coffin box set."
Ah, but do you think one version sounds better than the other? If, so - which one?
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COMMENT |
posted by : MR MASS
9/29/2008 8:57:08 PM
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"They still have a passion for making music. "
its a shame that their passion = substandard music
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COMMENT | LARS ULRICH Breaks Silence
posted by :
9/29/2008 8:57:11 PM
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When is he silent?
"I've been listening to it the last couple of days in my car, and it sounds fuckin' smokin'."
What happend to 'nutty'?
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/29/2008 9:01:17 PM
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if you play BOTH versions at the same time they sound twice as good!
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COMMENT | Hmmm...
posted by :
9/29/2008 9:14:49 PM
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I finallly see what people were talking about.
That's like a difference between a Superjoint Ritual and Linkin Park record. It sounds reasonable to me that the guitar hero version sounds like Linkin Park-level production.
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COMMENT | OHHH! NOW I SEE WHAT DID WENT WRONG...
posted by :
9/29/2008 9:25:29 PM
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Mr. Rubin has good vision, but terrible earing...
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COMMENT | god damn
posted by :
9/29/2008 9:29:38 PM
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i really thought the sound controversy was nothing but bull shit, and people just bitchin to bitch. but there really is a difference. i'll put it all on rubin though, that guy is proving himself to be vastly overreated. someone tell that fat ass to stick with producing rap records!!
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COMMENT | Skulls Rocks!
posted by :
9/29/2008 9:29:44 PM
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I know it was like 30 pages ago but I agree with skulls on this one
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COMMENT | Sabbathman
posted by :
9/29/2008 9:49:06 PM
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"People think Rick Rubin is some kind of a producer god, but he isn't! Fucking sofa potato! I read from somewhere Rick did nothing but talk shit with the band while leaving all the actual producing to his engineers. Wow what a producer god he actually is!"
This statement solidifies the fact you don't actually know what a "producer" does. Engineering and producing are NOT THE SAME JOB. That's why it's often handled by different people. There are some producers who are known for the their engineering. There are some who are known for their songwriting/tweaking skills, etc. Rubin is known as a guy who's supposed to really be able to get the best, "inner shit" from a band. Rubin may get some sounds here and there, and suggest some different techniques, but he's not a twiddle the knobs, get levels guy.
Uh huh- he's not a mixer. Plus, the band has final say over mixing, anyway. They ok-d what was done, whomever did it.
jwojo623- He's produced 1 or 2 hiphop full lengths and 1 jay z single in the past decade. It was a HUGE deal when he did 99 Problems with Jay Z, since he hadn't touched hiphop in so long, and since then, I think Lil John may be one of the only guys he's worked with.
You people should really actually try reading a bit more before posting your opinions.
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COMMENT | Seriously.. Ive heard a lot of albums over the years all kinds of
posted by :
9/29/2008 9:56:28 PM
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stuff.. A lot of great stuff nonetheless..
Ive been waiting for an album with spark and that old school vibe that only bands like floyd old ozzy, dio stones etc..(bands that kept you coming back album after album...
Death Magnetic is one of those tasty albums...
Thank You Metallica!
PS: WHO IN THIER RIGHT MINDS gives a flying turd about some tiny clippage in a loud mix?? We used to listen to cassettes that sounded all crunchy or warped. and also while I still appreciate a record for the fidelity... GENERATIONS of people had pops and skips and whatnot...
It sounds great and cant wait till I see them again.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/29/2008 10:03:40 PM
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im not usually a basher of anything to do with metallica. i love all their cd's, but this interview shows how ignorant he is.
"I don't know what kind of stereos these people listen on". ummm normal good brands that most people can afford to buy! maybe he's only been listening to it on some super huge expensive system that only rockstars can afford.
face it Lars, THE CD IS FUCKING DISTORTED! listen to "The Day That Never Comes" on ANY stereo and it is distorted.
"It's 2008, and that's how we make records" i may be wrong but... isnt technology supposed to improve, not deteriorate? no cd ive ever heard sounds as bad as this.
in saying all that, i do love the music. most times, i dont even notice the distortion, except in the single. but why cant he just admit that its NOT meant to sound as bad as it really does?
you should be able to listen to a cd and not have it sound like your stereo speakers are broken
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COMMENT | ugh
posted by : tvspat
9/29/2008 10:08:14 PM
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Lars Ulrich is a dick
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COMMENT | we wanted to roll with Rick's
posted by : blackXmetalXcore
9/29/2008 10:20:05 PM
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Rick Roll FTMFW
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COMMENT |
posted by : Firefly
9/29/2008 10:24:06 PM
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Ok, now that I finally heard the Guitar Hero track and realize that everyone has been right about the production. I guess I was in denial since I was finally excited about a new Metallica album. How do I get this version without buying Guitar Hero cause I have zero interest in video games.
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COMMENT | who cares
posted by : josh1982fla
9/29/2008 10:33:31 PM
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yes we all know the production isn't great,nobody gives a fuck anymore
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COMMENT | Just finished hearing the demo versions
posted by : Mob Rules
9/29/2008 10:35:46 PM
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And they sound much better than the cd, the bass is more loud
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COMMENT | Christ Illusion
posted by :
9/29/2008 10:40:11 PM
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Mr Ulrich,
just listen to the latest Slayer album to learn something about metal sound made by Rick Rubin: Clear and great sounding drums on a top sounding album.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/29/2008 11:07:44 PM
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death magnetic is an awesome album, but i have to say the gh3 version does sound better. Does the album have to be re-mastered? No. It is what it is. Just waitin for the philly date
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/29/2008 11:13:33 PM
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Internet critics are just like assholes...existing for no reason other than to unleash torrents of shit upon the world. Too much shitting, not enough shutting the hell up. More of you should start making music yourselves instead coming here to bitch about everyone else's.
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COMMENT | Huh beeray?
posted by :
9/29/2008 11:16:01 PM
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"Listen to Uprise from Entombed! An awesome album but it clips way worse than this. I still think this album still sounds pretty good, but The Day That Never Comes is pretty noticable, but kinda got sick of the song anyway."
First off, to compare an Entombed record to a Metallica record is just plain ridiculous! There are tons of records that sound horrible but still "work" in the scope of things. Every Misfits record with Danzig on it sounds like total shit but they are still great records and the sound works for what it is. I can't think of anything that sounds worse than Darkthrone's Transylvanian Hunger but that is also a great record with great atmosphere. They might not be hi-fi stellar recordings but at least they don't have digital clipping noises all over them! At least I can put those records on and actually listen to them where as I'm finding it harder and harder to do that with this Metallica record! Furthermore, Entombed probably spent no more than $10,000 recording their album vs. Metallica who most likely spent well over $1,000,000.00 recording Death Magnetic with Rick Rubin, I'll say it again, THERE IS NO EXCUSE!!
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COMMENT | to hell
posted by : G.
9/29/2008 11:22:37 PM
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and even after this bad record I want to see them live... just because of their releases until the Black Album.... They should do a tour like Iron Maiden and only play the early stuff.
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COMMENT | WTF is this
posted by :
9/29/2008 11:30:25 PM
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I bought the CD the first day it came out, mine sounds NOTHING like either of these. The supposed "album version" sounds like complete shit, nothing like what I have heard. Put a high quality rip up to compare to the Guitar Hero version. I smell bullshit.
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COMMENT | If It's Ever Remastered...
posted by :
9/29/2008 11:45:26 PM
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And you know it will be....
let Robert Vosgien over at Capitol Records do it.
He is the BEST in the business!!!
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/29/2008 11:45:42 PM
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You guys do all realize you're basing sound quality on youtube clips, right?
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COMMENT | gh3 sounds much better
posted by : Saikohs
9/29/2008 11:47:09 PM
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i think gh3 sounds much better ...the retail version sounds squished and doesnt breathe .gh3 has much better seperation of the instruments and sounds way more epic ....people need to learn that if you want something to sound louder, that is what the volume knob is for ...if you take both tracks and put them at the same volume relative to the actual loudness of the track...gh3 sounds clearer and WAY MORE powerful ..how anyone cannot hear that ..is either completely deaf or LYING ...just like how democrats and republicans defend their candidate regardless of factual evidence. this is all based on what my ears hear ...im not a metallica basher whatsoever
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COMMENT | Lars
posted by : down316
9/29/2008 11:47:57 PM
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I've officially lost all respect for you. Death Magnetic is great, it's just too bad it sounds like shit on CD.
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COMMENT | ...And Justice for All
posted by : i, monarch
9/30/2008 12:30:00 AM
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And Justice for All IS Metallica's best album not due to the audio quality but because of the songs. The album sounds like shit but contain their best collection songs. Lars is a real asshole.
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COMMENT | hard to believe...
posted by : just a metal fan
9/30/2008 12:41:34 AM
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that this sort of thing is happening to Metallica again. Obviously these guys are being scrutinized under the lens of a microscope with each release they put out and yet they are still flawed! What I mean by that is that these guys went through a fair amount of drama, or so it seemed during the St. Anger recording (based on Some Kind of Monster) and the majority of the world, probably the band as well, would have to agree that that release stinks on ice. So sort of between that release and this new one (although I've not heard much of it) it almost makes you wonder if the band is listening to the final product the same way that they rest of us are? Didn't Lars hear the snare crack on St. Anger? Awful!!! Maybe they are all suffering from serious hearing loss. It may also be a case of the artist not being able to separate themselves from the work, despite the work having some sort of problem. It really makes me want to be a fly on the wall when they are listening to the final mix. Totally nuts! Also crazy that this sort of thing is happening in this day and age of Pro Tools. Who knows! Just some thoughts from someone that lurks and rarely posts!
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COMMENT |
posted by : eufonius
9/30/2008 12:48:51 AM
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Death Cliptallic actually sounds better on iPods and cheap PC speakers. Using a decent stereo would only emphaszie the crappy sound quality.
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COMMENT | eufonius is right
posted by :
9/30/2008 1:27:31 AM
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on my old and cheap ghetto blaster it sounds ok, but on any other better and more "high end" systems/speakers it sounds terrible.
I really tried to enjoy the songs, cause the songs itself are really cool, but I couldn´t stand the sound.
Maybe they should bring out a live version of the full record, just like the st. anger bonus DVD, which sounded better, too.
And what Lars said, that "this is 2008 and (our) records sound like this" is really sad. Why does a 2008 record sound worse than records which are done in the 80s or early 90s? And listen to other 2008-records, like the new Opeth, Testament, Slipknot. These records have a killer-sound.
I guess that Lars thinks people are complaining about the sound just because it´s about Metallica, and that Metallica HAS TO BE critizised in any way. But that´s wrong. The sound IS bad, the songs are good.
Maybe they don´t want a good and clean production as on the black album, because they fear that people would call it a sellout (again).
Well, I can´t understand it...
With a better sound, this record would have been a killer.
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COMMENT | sad but true
posted by :
9/30/2008 1:55:26 AM
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The detractors are right. I've been listenin to the Guitar Hero version for about a week now and it sounds a lot fuller and warmer. You can hear Rob's awesome basslines clearly. It's not as harsh a listen. It sounds more in line with Lightning and Puppets. Check it for yourselves.
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COMMENT | !
posted by :
9/30/2008 2:14:01 AM
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terrilble album... anyhow, lars always wanted to sound most...look ta st crap anger and the drums there...i promise u, its all lars fault.
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COMMENT | Yeah, but...
posted by : Eikinskjald
9/30/2008 2:25:01 AM
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As a fan of black metal, I remain unaffected by this controversy. I am used to crappy sound. Do I like crappy sound? Not so much, but unfortunately, it's a part of it, for better or for worse. My problem with this is Ulrich's cavalier attitude about: obviously there's something nothing wrong with the record, after all, he's been listening to it in his car and it "sounds fuckin' smokin'." Yeah, more like someone's fuckin' smokin' something. I don't personally know Ulrich, but he sure seems like a douchebag to me. All of this talk about how Metallica's sound has matured, etc., etc. Really, tell me. What have they really done since "... And Justice for All" that entitles them to become so complacent and escuses them for releasing garbage like, well, everything since "... And Justice for All?" The extensive touring, the lifestyle? Wow. Really? What a hard life it must've been for them, touring the world, playing their music. Would that I could dull their pain. Good thing they weren't doing it for free. I think of other bands, well, Kreator for example. Highs and lows during a 24 year career? Yes, to be sure, but I think of the uncompromisingly brutal material they're churning out today, and I am so impressed. All of this talk about Metallica re-capturing the essence of the 80s makes me laugh. Obviously they don't have it in them. Again, I am not attacking them personally as people, because I don't know them, but I am certain that Matallica does not "rule" and I wouldn't trust Lars Ulrich as far as I could throw him. Again, I don't know him, but that's the impression I get from his comments. He's like any other creep: you don't have to know them to get a sense that they're a creep. "And now '...And Justice for All' is sort of the seminal METALLICA record that supposedly influenced a whole generation of death-metal bands." Really? Like who? I'm not saying he's lying, I just want to see a citation. I feel like I got especially ripped off because I don't hear what the above poster has described as "Rob's awesome basslines." I don't hear anything awesome about any of it. For those of you who like it, good for you. You deserve this Metallica album, and I am glad that it didn't disappoint you. I was really afraid that it would. You have been rewarded for your perseverance, although I suspect that it must also be like getting only socks for x-mas: yeah, thanks, you need 'em, but... I for my part didn't expect much and, because I was so casually invested, was, likewise, not really disappointed. I, for my part, after exercising my interweb voice of dissent, and by the way I'm not yelling at anybody, I'm not mad at you, sign off for now and eagerly await Kreator's next full length. I hope you enjoy this ongoing saga.
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COMMENT |
posted by : Chris Lester
9/30/2008 2:28:10 AM
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Distortion Magnetic!!!! Lars pull your head out of your ass! I love the music but production is an abomination.
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COMMENT |
posted by : PL
9/30/2008 2:33:04 AM
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Well, at least he's got balls.
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COMMENT | sad but true 2
posted by :
9/30/2008 2:56:12 AM
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To the Kreator fan. It's like comparin Riot of Violence from Pleasure to Kill to the version on Live Kreation. Great to see bands like Kreator, Exodus. Destruction and Megadeth still releasin top quality metal after all these years. There's only one Metallica though and that's why people get so obssessive about them. Love em or hate em they generate a lot of emotion. It's the millionaire shit I can't take. Jealousy's a curse.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/30/2008 3:14:47 AM
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Bitch, bitch, bitch
Metalheads, all we seem to do these days is piss and moan
Sounds great on my stereo, the way it's meant to be heard, not on some shitty pc speakers or stupid ipods!
Lars is right, what the fuck do some of you listen to your metal on?
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COMMENT | I dont care
posted by :
9/30/2008 3:28:28 AM
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This is a great album & the songs speak for themselves......
I don't think it will ever really matter what the band puts out now, someone will always complain.......
Everyones a sound quality geek these days.....just enjoy instead...clowns
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COMMENT | Much ado about nothing
posted by : juanneman
9/30/2008 3:33:19 AM
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I fuckín´ LOVE the album´s sound AS IT IS. And I CAN HEAR THE BASS. Whoever doesn´t, either they are deaf or they don´t want to hear. Clearest examples: `Judas Kiss´ in the interlude
`So what now?
Where do I head? ´
the bass does a different line from the guitars, and it´s CLEARLY AUDIBLE. Besides, in the instrumental you can hear it at the beginning and in the rest of the song as well. I am a bassist, am I the only one who hears the bass? C´mon.
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COMMENT | Delusional
posted by : JudasRising
9/30/2008 4:04:17 AM
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Ulrich is just as delusional as many of his asskissing fanboys. Death metal bands were influenced by acts like Possessed, Slayer, Sodom and Kreator, not by ...And Justice For All. When that record came out, Death and others were already doing their thing. But Ulrich and many Metallica fanboys have lost all contact with reality a long, long time ago. Now they are telling themselves that Death Magnetic is a great record, when anyone with a little sense hears a set of songs that are medioce, unoriginal, badly mixed and far too long.
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COMMENT |
posted by : RudeBill
9/30/2008 4:15:06 AM
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the so-called album version up there is a shit quality rip. My cd sounds nothing like it. Also, my downloads of the leak sound nothing like it. The GH3 version sounds too hyped in the high end and the guitars get buried by the snare and the cymbals. Musta been done by a guy who has hi-frequecy loss in his hearing. Too damn bright and scooped in the mids.
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COMMENT |
posted by : RudeBill
9/30/2008 4:17:03 AM
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also, 12,000 signatures of complaint out of nearly a million cd's sold in the US alone, that's an extreme minority. Shut up already.
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COMMENT | No, no, no, juanneman...
posted by : Eikinskjald
9/30/2008 4:43:00 AM
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I, too, sir, am a bassist. I didn't mean to imply that I couldn't hear the bass, only that I haven't heard any "awesome" bass lines. There is nothing "awesome" about it. This is not a personal attack on the bassist, it's just that I find nothing awe inspiring about his work or this album. I am, however, in agreement with your comment title, "Much ado about nothing." Very appropriate. It's funny now to think about how the next generation of death metallers will be influenced by this Scheiss-terpiece... supposedly. I can hardly wait!
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COMMENT | *sigh*
posted by :
9/30/2008 5:48:52 AM
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I did what everybody else did and downloaded it when it got leaked. Sure the CD quality isn't great, but the music is definatley good enough to warrant a purchase (I got the Coffin :) Thanks JB Hifi!). Worth the money!
BUT!! The version on my iPod and in the Home Theatre is the Guitar Hero version...
Everyone just stop whinging and get the GH version, grab a beer, and fucking enjoy it!!!!! Your petition will do squat.
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COMMENT | And another thing....
posted by :
9/30/2008 5:50:47 AM
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.....sure sounds better than all the classic Maiden albums!
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COMMENT | Most people are idiots.
posted by : a_l_x
9/30/2008 5:52:52 AM
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And this issue just proves it.
"I listen to in my car and it sounds fine".
To say something like that sort of take retardeness to a new level. Or just proves that you live in a trailer park.
Fuck, just admit that you are an idiot and return your right to be a human by staying inside your trash home and never communicate anything to anyone again. Ever.
So just because people listen to music with shitty equipment like car stereos, iPods with lousy headsets or crappy computer speakers makes it allright to produce the record so that it clips?
Damn, the level of stupidity is on a continious rise.
The movie Idiocracy is closer to reality than what I actually thought was possible.
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COMMENT | Dont be fooled
posted by :
9/30/2008 7:05:05 AM
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Yeah Really dont be fooled by magazines and websites that complaining about " Loudness War " Shit. I've listened to this two versions of the song and i'm gonna Strongly say that the first one (Non Guitar H) Edition ,Fuckin Rulz. There's no doubt about that,All the other Gossip makers are Just Acting Like :" Yeah you know i'm kinda into the music stuff and my opinion is this sounds shit and that sounds great! Cause i'm a pro!" .Re-think about it.its 2008
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/30/2008 7:53:22 AM
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.....it sounds stock
---Lars Ulrich
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posted by :
9/30/2008 7:58:04 AM
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have to admit the guitar hero track sounds a hell of alot better
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posted by : Sabbathman
9/30/2008 8:16:07 AM
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Still haven't heard the entire album, but if this really shows the soundscape of the 2 different versions..."brick-walling" taken to another level!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9Jc6kuWVos&feature=related
And if someone doesn't know what people are talking about when they talk about clipping, loudness war etc. check this out, this pretty much sums up the whole shit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ
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COMMENT | papah3t
posted by : Sabbathman
9/30/2008 8:27:46 AM
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COMMENT | Dont be fooled
posted by : papah3t
9/30/2008 7:05:05 AM
Yeah Really dont be fooled by magazines and websites that complaining about " Loudness War " Shit. I've listened to this two versions of the song and i'm gonna Strongly say that the first one (Non Guitar H) Edition ,Fuckin Rulz. There's no doubt about that,All the other Gossip makers are Just Acting Like :" Yeah you know i'm kinda into the music stuff and my opinion is this sounds shit and that sounds great! Cause i'm a pro!" .Re-think about it.its 2008
I don't focus on too much on "high end" with albums (meaning precise sound meters, programs, equalizers etc.) But I do notice when an album is basically ruined by a poor, over-blown sound. If the entire soundscape is taken to the max to begin with, I can't turn the volume up without getting a distorted sound and I can't turn the volume down without losing the dynamics and clarity. Music itself is one thing, the most important thing, but of course the sound should be done professionally and not by pretending to be professionals.
To answer your comment, I did re-think about this and yes it's indeed 2008, but that doesn't mean recording has to become abysmal by choice. Times change, but sound recording principles should follow reason no matter what the fucking year is. 1986, 2008...all the same! Now the contemporary technology allows to make good-sounding albums so why fuck it up by purpose and ignorance?
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posted by : ttburn
9/30/2008 8:30:50 AM
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I really like the album, not the best ever but it's good and it sounds cool. it's got a hefty sound to it, since this debate i haven't listened to it any closer but haven't really noticed what bugs everyone so much - I do lots of recording and engineering so can be pedantic on production/sound quality etc but when i'm a fan of a band I don't start instantly trying to find fault I just try and enjoy whats in front of me.
I love Undertow by Tool, but by god is it a really quiet album, I just turn it up and try and ignore it. If Death Magnetic didn't bug me the first time I listened to it, then i'm certainly gonna try and ignore this crazy debate and just enjoy the fact that it's not St. Anger!
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COMMENT | sparx109
posted by :
9/30/2008 9:17:19 AM
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I totally agree...
onto another issue:
1. That supposed album version posted here sounds crap compared to the album
2. Yes I hear that the mix could have been clearer and better...
3. ... but the the guitar hero version that I have downloaded, sounds wrong and not like a band, but like separate elements put together...
4. ...and who gives a fuck anyway? You sound freaks need a fucking hobby. The music is what matters here and as long as the sound doesnt totally fuck up the music (and you have to be a serious sound nerd to feel that it fucks up this album) it doesn\t matter. Listen to Metallicas 80s output, shitty sound, but great music, that\s what matters
5. Lars doesnt care.
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COMMENT | zimzumm
posted by : Underbody
9/30/2008 9:19:52 AM
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Every prediction you have made has been wrong... You started out saying the album wouldn't even move 500k. It did that in the first week... Then you said 700k... Now you're saying 1.4 million. Get a life you uninformed moron!
p.s.
If by poor ticket sales you mean sold out arenas then you are correct!
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COMMENT | Let's save that masterpiece whater Lar$ says !!!
posted by : Kovaks
9/30/2008 10:51:04 AM
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http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/re-mix-or-remaster-death-magnetic/sign.html
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COMMENT |
posted by :
9/30/2008 11:21:56 AM
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"Lively". It doesn't sound "lively". It sounds like it once sounded lively, then they choked the life out of it by compressing it to holy hell.
There is no excuse. Whoever said it sounds like a 5th generation dub tape is right - that's an accurate description.
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COMMENT | Metallica's back catelog: the Digital Compression Editions
posted by :
9/30/2008 11:23:10 AM
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http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=YUGSrzTNjZw
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COMMENT | Justice comments by Lars
posted by :
9/30/2008 11:40:17 AM
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wow, Lars, you are completely oblivious to the fact that "Justice" influenced bands DESPITE the mix, not because of it! was it a good idea to completely omit bass guitar from "Justice" (and from "Death Magnetic" as well)? are you freaking kidding me? Your band has admitted in the past that the mix on "Justice" was a screw up. I guess we'll have to wait a few more years for you to admit that the "Death Magnetic" mix sucks balls. The new music is great, in my opinion. But damn that mix to hell!
oh, and for the fool who blamed it on bad stereo equipment, I have about as good a sound system in my car as you can imagine or hope for, and this CD sounds like a bad mix from 1986.
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COMMENT | Old school thrash anyone?
posted by : The_Velvet_Kevorkian
9/30/2008 12:41:16 PM
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While I will say that the new disc when pops up on my ipod playlist the songs are noticably louder... marketing ploy or whatever... what do you expect from Metallica?
My point here is why such a huge emphasis on production? I'm sure plenty o' Metallica fans listen to other old school thrash metal... hell even the bigger names i.e. Megadeth, Anthrax, Testament and yes Metallica's older records didn't have this perfect precision cut production... the fact is that what makes any album good is its songwriting does the new Metallica have that edge, I'm not one to judge yet... I haven't really wanted to sit and listen to over an hour of music in one setting...
I will make the point that some production blunders ruin records i.e. Krisiun's Ageless Venemous... there is no getting past that albums drum sound. Regardless from what I've heard Death Magnetic's production isn't that horrific... stop whining for a stupid remix or make your own..
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COMMENT | Jackass!
posted by : Nocturnus013
9/30/2008 1:08:37 PM
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What fuckin Death Band was influenced by the piece of shit that is And Justice For All? What a clueless bastard!
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COMMENT |
posted by : CarcPazu
9/30/2008 2:25:03 PM
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"And now '...And Justice for All' is sort of the seminal METALLICA record that supposedly influenced a whole generation of death-metal bands."
Most of the time I think Lars should just STFU, but he's right on this one imo. I know most ppl think MOP is the Metallica's masterpiece, but imo And Justice is. And yes, I can hear a lot of and justice in death metal bands. Song structures, solos, intensity.
I play death metal myself and And Justice is my main influence.
Just my opinon.
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COMMENT | Nocturnus013
posted by : Underbody
9/30/2008 3:40:01 PM
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Ummm... quite a few actually you dumbass!
How about Chuck Schuldiner of the band DEATH to start!
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COMMENT | 1ST LISTEN TO THE GH VERSION
posted by :
10/1/2008 12:58:34 AM
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GH version is definitely more balanced..that's obvious to my ears.
But to say the CD version sounds like shit is going overboard.
The GH version sounds flat but much more balanced than the CD, the CD version is too amped. Too bad this issue wasn't addressed before it was released. I still think it's a very good album & it's the best effort that Metallica has put out since the Black album...imo.
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COMMENT | It could sound better
posted by : Polimar
10/3/2008 2:27:36 AM
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and not distort as much as it does, that's for sure.
But I don't really care: It doesn't bother me and I LOVE the record.
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posted by : burns1059
10/4/2008 6:19:30 PM
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"A petition circulated by some fans asking the band to remix the CD has gathered 12,000 signatures"? Cry-babies.
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COMMENT | Eikinskjald
posted by : juanneman
10/5/2008 5:40:57 AM
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Thanks for the explanation, I admit I misread you. You know, the bass sound has always been (almost) inaudible in this group.
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posted by : juanneman
10/5/2008 5:42:14 AM
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I just LOVE the record AS IT IS, period!!!
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COMMENT | fucking losers
posted by :
10/7/2008 2:26:24 PM
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go make an album and see where it goes while you fucks are complaining.i see nobody says it sucks.if its not one thing its another.fans dont bitch.i listened to it on 225 watt(each) powered studio monitors,and it sounds fine.and im listening to a downloaded 320 kbps version.i dont care WHOS shit you listen to,its going to sound like shit at high volumes on pc speakers.all of you that dont have the small luxury of monitors,go play the disk on a real stereo at a normal volume.not at 10 on CRAP speakers.and im sure everybody complaining is listening to the 128 kbps versions.it DOES sound like shit.mp3s do.or just remaster the shit.its easy.get over it or go buy it.ricky rubin isnt who is cuz hes retarded.
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COMMENT | unfortunately...
posted by :
10/9/2008 8:48:32 PM
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...several albums are like this. Nile's ITHYPHALLIC clips big time and bottoms out many speakers. Krisiun went to analog for at least BLOODSHED, and it sounded great no matter how loud.
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