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JOE SATRIANI Accuses COLDPLAY Of Plagiarism; Audio Comparison Available
- Dec. 5, 2008
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Reuters reports that legendary rock guitarist Joe Satriani has sued COLDPLAY, accusing the Grammy-nominated stars of plagiarizing one of his songs. Satriani's copyright infringement suit, filed on Thursday in Los Angeles federal court, claims the COLDPLAY song "Viva La Vida" incorporates "substantial original portions" of his 2004 instrumental "If I Could Fly". The 52-year-old guitar virtuoso is seeking a jury trial, damages and "any and all profits" attributable to the alleged copyright infringement. Read the entire report from Reuters. COLDPLAY's "Viva La Vida" vs. JOE SATRIANI's "If I Could Fly":
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/5/2008 6:14:42 AM
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they ripped off joe satriani.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/5/2008 6:15:27 AM
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Everyone rips off everyone.
Even on metallica's first album kill em all the song metal miltia's riff was stolen from a band before metallica.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/5/2008 6:22:36 AM
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So why hasn't Iron Maiden sued Papa Roach when they stole the Hallowed Be Thy Name riff?
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COMMENT |
posted by : Big Rod Oh!
12/5/2008 6:22:42 AM
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www.myspace.com/freekshowtools
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COMMENT | they're similar
posted by :
12/5/2008 6:39:57 AM
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the melody is the same! the songs are different enough that the courts might not agree. i hope i'm wrong because they ripped him off. coldplay are looked at as master artist, yet have done this more than once. proves how f##ked up the music industry is today!!!!
p.s coldplay sucks big flappy donkey d##k
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COMMENT | loose cannon
posted by :
12/5/2008 6:40:16 AM
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and.... why hasn't green day sued papa roach for stealing the 'brainstew' riff in that crappy 'last resort' song haha
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/5/2008 6:42:36 AM
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Coldplay sucks
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COMMENT | Wow
posted by :
12/5/2008 6:43:01 AM
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Perfect match. Shenanigans on Coldplay!!!!
(I thought that Papa Roach ripped off Wasted Years not Hallowed Be Thy Name. Which PR song was it again? I thought it was Last Resort.)
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COMMENT | Satch
posted by : chtimixeur
12/5/2008 6:49:45 AM
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He's right, and this is one of his best songs !
The last 4 minutes are amazing
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COMMENT | although to be fair...
posted by :
12/5/2008 6:49:48 AM
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sometimes it does happen by coincidence... eg ages ago i wrote a riff then bought a sepultura album that had pretty much the exact same riff on it and i had never heard the song before. papa roach situtaion is inexcusable though because pretty much everyone has heard brainstew. also would not put it past coldplay to steal a melody off joe. he is the king of catchy melodies and coldplay seem to be burning out creatively
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/5/2008 7:00:24 AM
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Yeah I have no idea how far this will get in the courts, I remember a while ago a Rolling Stones song sounded very similar to a KD Lang song, they said it was all unintentional but they wound up giving her a writing credit anyway to avoid any problems. I think that occured before the album came out, so it's a bit of a different situation.
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COMMENT | Blatant
posted by :
12/5/2008 7:01:06 AM
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That's a blatant rip off
Same with that Gary Moore ripping off that German band.
Anyone ever heard the Dokken song Kiss of death?
Another law suit waiting to happen LOL
Anyone know who Dokken ripped off on that one gets 666 metal trivia points.
If you want the answer Google the band Captain Beyond.
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COMMENT | ^^^^Thanks, Reborn
posted by :
12/5/2008 7:38:11 AM
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I need to go back and listen to all of those, cuz I am a bit jacked up on my titles. :0)
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/5/2008 7:42:59 AM
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coldplay fuckin suck and hasnt writen 1 good riff of their own.
my favorite guitarist has borrowed 1 or 2 riff before...and even he said he barrowed it...but he turned it into a different song.
The riff's he actually write's himself toally own the 2 riff's be borrowed so who cares? if his best riffs were stolen then there would be a problem lol.
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COMMENT | !!!
posted by :
12/5/2008 7:45:55 AM
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its a rip of but the song actualy becomes much better with Joe's soloing in it.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/5/2008 7:46:57 AM
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joes a great player but i cant feel bad for him one bit considering how he likes to treat his fans...douchebag
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/5/2008 7:55:17 AM
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Im sure joe satriani has ripped off someone aswell.
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COMMENT | Coldplay Sucks
posted by :
12/5/2008 7:59:01 AM
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I will never know Y people love coldplay, They SUCK
hope Joe can teach them a lesson
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COMMENT | Joe sucks
posted by :
12/5/2008 8:17:15 AM
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Wanking off is boring.
And Coldplay probably never heard ANYTHING approaching metal before. Coincidence.
What is Joe broke and looking for some income ?
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COMMENT |
posted by : mr. moof
12/5/2008 8:24:34 AM
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Joe,
Not a snowball's chance in hell. But thanks for playing!
-Reality
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/5/2008 8:46:42 AM
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I doubt Coldplay intentionally ripped it off
Those guys are fucking rich though, they'll settle out of court to make Satriani go away
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COMMENT | Im not convinced
posted by : blood_come
12/5/2008 8:49:34 AM
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This could be a coincidence ,these things happen all the time ,there's so many artists out there it would be even more strange if these things didn't happen .
basically Joe is suing them over 5 or 6 notes in a cord progression and a pretty generic chord progression at that.
Im pretty sure Ive heard this chord progression else where on more than one occasion . Whats next ? people being sued for using the pentatonic scale? or the 'E' minor diminished scale ?
If it sounds like a tune at all then it means it belongs in a scale , you cant copy right scales or no one would be allowed to write anything.
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COMMENT | oh come on
posted by : cirkis
12/5/2008 8:50:40 AM
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Coincidence. I find it highly unlikely that coldplay was sitting around listening to Joe Satriani and said "oh man, this song is awesome! Let's steal it!"
All songs sound like other songs - the concept of heavy metal revolves around this!
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COMMENT | The rules.
posted by :
12/5/2008 9:03:41 AM
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You cannot protect a chord progression. You can protect a melody. These songs have the same progression but so what? So does every blues standard ever written. The melodies in these songs are similar but only the first two notes are exactly alike. The rest of the melody is different. I don't think this one will hold up in court even though I'd like to see Joe pull in some cash from a shit band.
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COMMENT | 52
posted by : BSlash24
12/5/2008 9:06:00 AM
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I can't believe he's that old, got a late start making it.
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COMMENT | Sure hope Joe wins
posted by : VelveetaRevolver
12/5/2008 9:06:13 AM
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because Coldplay licks emo balls.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/5/2008 9:07:39 AM
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"Im sure joe satriani has ripped off someone aswell."
so that justifies cold play's plagiarism????
there's too much of this shit going down. time to clean house!
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/5/2008 9:09:25 AM
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We could play this game all day.
This one always jumped out to me
Anthrax - Armed and Dangerous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmWSIEy8QyU
Vinnie Vincent Invasion - That time of year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH8IBOcXzxs
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COMMENT | If Joe is not compensated, I'll Be Pissed !
posted by :
12/5/2008 9:16:37 AM
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It is clearly the same song. The overlapping youtube video proves this. I almost stole a Coroner riff by accident once. As soon as I realized I changed it, but it was something I had been listening to recently and it was in my head. That may be how this Coldplay song started, but I refuse to believe no one in thier big budget, major label corporation picked up on that shit.
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COMMENT |
posted by : amonbelongstothem
12/5/2008 9:27:38 AM
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Why has anyone here not explored the possibility that it was Joe who ripped off Coldplay? Why couldn't that be the case? He's all futuristic and all with his alien head, always talking about this and that, why couldn't he have a time machine? Listen to his tone...you think you can just play that stuff? The future!
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COMMENT |
posted by : parricide
12/5/2008 9:28:13 AM
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anyone remember the whole vanilla ice thing? one note changes everything.
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COMMENT | okay I REALLY HATE COLDPLAY AND ALL
posted by : blackfarted
12/5/2008 9:36:16 AM
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is it possible they blatantly stole the idea? Yes.
But I have come up with riffs before and thought they sounded especially killer, only to listen to a CD and find out that I somehow subconsciously repeated a riff that got stuck in my head from another song. One especially awesome riff I made, I found out was note for note the intro to the last song on Manticora's Black Circus Pt 1 album before I'd even heard it. So did they rip me off? NO.
Everything has already been done before by someone else somewhere. There is no uncharted map of notes left to be discovered.
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COMMENT | holy shit! pay up!
posted by :
12/5/2008 9:45:37 AM
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wow. thats the best case for plagarism I've ever heard. slam dunk.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/5/2008 9:45:58 AM
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if Coldplay are being sued for ripping people off, U2 should get in it & sue Coldplay for ripping off their entire sound & image from them.
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COMMENT | cold play sucks
posted by : LuizFelipeMetal
12/5/2008 10:01:21 AM
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Paradise City from Guns N' Roses is also rip off of Black Sabbath's "Zero the Hero". And who wrote the Vannila Ice song was Queen "Under Pressure"
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COMMENT | MetalPause
posted by :
12/5/2008 10:03:20 AM
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I was referring to that Last Resort song. If you listen to their main riff and the part following the intro to Hallowed Be Thy Name they sound strikingly similar. But yeah, this kind of thing happens quite a bit. I don't know how many times I've heard riffs rehashed and reused. I remember hearing some Everclear song on the radio and it had the exact riff of an Elvis Costello song. Especially in metal this happens a lot as well. I really don't think it's always intentional. A lot of times, it's probably a subconscious thing. I remember listening to my friend's band years ago and recognized Megadeth's Hangar 18 riff in one of their original songs. They hadn't even realized it until it was pointed out.
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COMMENT | Green Day
posted by :
12/5/2008 10:05:47 AM
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What about Green Day's "Walking Contridiction" and the Kinks "Do It Again". EXACTLY the same. They also ripped off "Picture Book" but I forgot what song that was.
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COMMENT | I smell a settlement.......
posted by :
12/5/2008 10:11:03 AM
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Way too close IMO.
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COMMENT | queen
posted by : BSlash24
12/5/2008 10:12:45 AM
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Vanilla Ice's rip off of Queen was a subtle rip off. While they didn't sample it so they didn't have to pay Queen, they changed one note or beat. It wasn't a melody rip off, it was highway robbery. I think Vanilla won in court too? I forget.
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COMMENT | Metallica's Death Magnetic. 2nd song. "End of the line" I think?
posted by : MoltenLavaStudios
12/5/2008 10:23:45 AM
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Within the first minute or so, the crunching, thrash riff...
Sounds just like a Sepultura song. I can't remember which one. It's on "Arise".
Exact same beat, and very, very, very similar riff. First time I heard it I thought, this is from a Sepultura song.
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COMMENT | In breaking news....
posted by : rollins
12/5/2008 10:27:40 AM
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Led Zeppelin is suing the band Kingdom Come
AC/DC is suing Rhino Bucket and The Cult for their "Electric" CD.
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COMMENT | It's Not the Same
posted by :
12/5/2008 10:38:11 AM
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The melodies between Joe Satriani and Coldplay are similar for about 5 seconds. They're not the same song and Satriani knows it - he's a has been who's looking to reclaim his moment in the spotlight. I've never heard Satch's song, and I'm sure neither has Coldplay (or anyone else, for that matter).
Love 'em or hate 'em, Coldplay is one of the most popular bands in the world at the moment, and everybody (including all the people on this list) are going to take their shots at the them.
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COMMENT | ^^^
posted by :
12/5/2008 10:38:44 AM
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If you're writing riffs like the riff master Tommy Baron from Coroner, then you must be the guy that I've been lookintg to play with for some time! Nothing wrong with writing riffs on that level of guitar mastery! What an underrated band and guitarist. Holy shit were they awesome!
Anyway, I hear the same chord progression in every damn pop punk song out there. I hear that progression from Green Day, Blink 182 and before from Pat Benatar, Boston (More than a Feeling), "Smells Like Teen Spirit. I'm sure if I could chant it out, people would know right away. Y'know 2 strums on each chord and there are 4 chords in total. The first two start higher and then the riff descends a little lower afterwards. This riff is constantly used in one way or another with ever so slight variations. Since pop punk bands use it every damn time, I have learned to dislike it.
Musical plagiarism is always done. A dime a dozen songs and riffs are ripped off constantly. Damn shame. Can't stand that shit!
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COMMENT |
posted by : \m/ Metal Jason \m/
12/5/2008 10:40:05 AM
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Coldplay sucks
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COMMENT | BTW I was refering at the beginning of
posted by :
12/5/2008 10:40:25 AM
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My thread to the dude who brought up the band Coroner..
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COMMENT | Hope stach wins.
posted by : RiotAct666
12/5/2008 10:40:36 AM
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COMMENT | Satch*
posted by : RiotAct666
12/5/2008 10:41:11 AM
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sorry bout that. Hope Joe wins this case.
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COMMENT |
posted by : furor
12/5/2008 10:41:35 AM
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Metallica's Sanitarium ripped off Rush's Tom Sawyer too. That heavy riff after the solo...bah dum bah dahh. bah dum bah dumm. You know? It's almost exactly the same as Tom Sawyer.
Bastages.
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COMMENT |
posted by : rds
12/5/2008 10:51:48 AM
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all muscians are inspired by everyone around them, but i guess if you wanna get technical about it and if a band is making a killing selling albums then i guess the only thing to do is file a lawsuit, and get your own hands on some of that loot.
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COMMENT | Yngwie has been getting away with it for years....
posted by :
12/5/2008 11:02:10 AM
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Its been like this for years! People steal, borrow, use whatever riff or melody they want and alter it in such a minute way that it will never hold up in court. Think back to the 50's and all the WHITE "r&b" artists stealing all the real mo-town songs note for note, and nothing could be done about it. What about your boy Yngwie? He rips off Paganini, Vivaldi, Bach, Mozart all the damn time, but there is a difference, Its called public domain. Songs that don't renew their copyright after a certain amount of time end up as public domain. Now, really lame ass musicians will blatantly rip off these extraordinary composers (al Yngwie) and others will take and alter or expand apon (ala Jason Becker, Satch etc). I hope Satch wins this case, although he probably won't because there is just enough difference in the melody (maybe 3 or 4 rhythmic notes at most) they will either settle or dismiss. COPYRIGHT YOUR SHIT PEOPLE!
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COMMENT | ...
posted by : dosemeter
12/5/2008 11:15:27 AM
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Funny how plagiarizing never comes up in metal. The overused 16th notes Chucka-Chucka-Chucka-Chucka on an open string....who copyrighted that!? Most famous musicians in pop rock only know 2 scales anyways, I'm surprised we don't see complaints more often.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/5/2008 11:36:10 AM
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Papa Roach stole the riff from Infinite Dreams, note Hallowed Be Thy Name.
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COMMENT | It's the same:
posted by :
12/5/2008 11:37:33 AM
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1. melody
2. chordal harmony
3. tempo
Satch has a case. You gotta at least change the key or tempo a little.....fuck.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/5/2008 11:38:51 AM
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lol the vinnie vincent time of the year 1988 song ripped off anthrax armed and dangerous 1985 intro.
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COMMENT | I hope he wins the case...
posted by : RapidFireLouie
12/5/2008 11:50:14 AM
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fuck Coldplay!
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COMMENT | Ummm yeah....
posted by :
12/5/2008 11:53:17 AM
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I'm sure Coldplay sits around listening to wank guitar albums all day to get ideas for hit singles.
Yes they do sound alike, but I wouldn't be surprised if no one in Coldplay has ever heard any Satch song at all, much less that song.
That is hardly an original melody to begin with. I think there were a few pop songs in the 80's that had vocal lines that sounded like that.
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COMMENT | Ummm yeah....
posted by :
12/5/2008 11:53:45 AM
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I'm sure Coldplay sits around listening to wank guitar albums all day to get ideas for hit singles.
Yes they do sound alike, but I wouldn't be surprised if no one in Coldplay has ever heard any Satch song at all, much less that song.
That is hardly an original melody to begin with. I think there were a few pop songs in the 80's that had vocal lines that sounded like that.
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COMMENT | Ummm yeah....
posted by :
12/5/2008 11:54:52 AM
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I'm sure Coldplay sits around listening to wank guitar albums all day to get ideas for hit singles.
Yes they do sound alike, but I wouldn't be surprised if no one in Coldplay has ever heard any Satch song at all, much less that song.
That is hardly an original melody to begin with. I think there were a few pop songs in the 80's that had vocal lines that sounded like that.
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COMMENT | Always With Me, Always With Year...
posted by : RapidFireLouie
12/5/2008 12:04:24 PM
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sounds closer to "Time After Time" by Cyndi Lauper!
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COMMENT | Always With Me, Always With You...
posted by : RapidFireLouie
12/5/2008 12:06:04 PM
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I meant to say.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/5/2008 12:08:39 PM
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I'm a guitarist myself but rarely ever listen to instrumentalists like him or Vai, or even Yngwie for that matter even though he's not strictly instrumental. I would really doubt that Coldplay guys are fans of Satriani. He's not that known outside the guitar community overseas and Coldplay are not really a guitar band.
Earlier this year people were comparing BFMV "Scream, Aim, Fire" to some cheesy ass Primal Fear song. That was at least plausible since those two bands have actually played the same festivals. PF was cool about it and praised BFMV.
There are billions and billions of songs out there, some riffs are bound to be similar. Joe should be flattered...
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/5/2008 12:10:43 PM
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Go get'em Joe!....
Nothin' beats the time when Fogarty was sued for sounding like Fogarty.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/5/2008 12:10:56 PM
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Also.... per Wiki...
Coldplay were briefly accused of copying portions of "The Songs I Didn't Write" by American alternative band Creaky Boards, for the melody of "Viva la Vida".[15] Creaky Boards' band member Andrew Hoepfner claimed that Martin had heard them playing the song at a live show in October 2007.[16] The band released a video clip, in which it compares sections of both songs.[16] Coldplay denied the claim; band spokesman Murray Chambers said Martin was working in AIR Studios in London at that time, having checked the singer's diary.[17] In addition, Coldplay had recorded a demo version of "Viva la Vida" in March 2007, long before Creaky Boards performed it live in October of the same year.[16] Creaky Boards later retracted the accusations and now speculate that both songs may have been inspired by the video game The Legend of Zelda.[17]
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COMMENT | add puddle of mud to the list
posted by : dethryde
12/5/2008 12:23:41 PM
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thier song "she f*n hates me" is a blatant rip of Suicidal Tendencies "I saw your mommy" mikey should give 'em a ST beat down.
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COMMENT | Speaking of riffs...
posted by :
12/5/2008 12:33:35 PM
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Often times guitarists seem to write riffs similar to other riffs. Not intentionally, but because they hear it in their head and don't recognize it to be somebody elses, then they work it out and change it to make it their own. I mean, is it similar? Yes. But it's not the exact same. I know I've written guitar riffs before and then I've gotten an album and listened to it and gone "damn, that really sounds like X riff!" Coincidence more than anything.
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COMMENT | iScott
posted by :
12/5/2008 12:39:28 PM
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Listen to Hallowed Be Thy Name then Last Resort to hear what I'm talking about (I'm sure you'd have to download the Papa Roach song, who in their right mind owns that, right?). I can definitely hear that riff in that song. It's plain as day. As for Infinite Dreams, I'll check it out when I get home. I'm sure that's in there as well, but Hallowed is also.
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COMMENT | Coldplay is not a crappy band
posted by :
12/5/2008 12:54:20 PM
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Yes, there is virtually no Sabbath influence in their sound, and they can come off like a U2 tribute, but I've seen them live twice, and they are pretty damn good. I don't eat steak for dinner every day. And I don't listen to metal all the time either. Honestly, many of you are like my six year old that could watch the same episode of Spongebob every day and be perfectly happy. Open your ears to more than just metal. You will find that those musicians listen to a lot of different shit, and it comes off in the music. For starters, I'm going to list a few artists that basically layed t
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COMMENT | continued...
posted by :
12/5/2008 1:00:15 PM
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the groundwork for everything in metal.
1. Vagner- Flight of The Valkyries
2. Robert Johnson- Everything, but start with "Crossroads"
3. Johnny Cash- "Ring of Fire" , "Folsom Prision Blues"
4. Hank Williams- "I'm So Lonesome i Could cry"
5. Little Richard- Everything
6. The Beatles- "helter Skelter"
7. John Phillip Sousa- 1812 Overture
8. James Brown- Everything
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COMMENT | No such thing as bad publicity
posted by :
12/5/2008 1:08:08 PM
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Now everyone who hasnt heard both songs will buy them, because no one here downloads illegal music right?
Hoever based on what I've read in these comments,
It seems both Papa Roach and Cold play steal and obviously not very well since it also seems both bands suck. And Yes Metallica stole---most notably Seek and Destroy and Sanitarium (I have the original by another band) Also Slayer stole from Iron Angel or vice versa but I cant remember which song for either. But I realized it driving down the road one evening on my Ipod, just sheer luck since it was on Shuffle.
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COMMENT | Youtube
posted by :
12/5/2008 1:11:04 PM
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This also reminds me of that Youtube shit, bands that sound the same video. the Fretboard has approx 22 frets and usually six strings, its impossible fro two bands playing the same style not to cross paths at some point.
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COMMENT |
posted by : Land of the Lost Horizon
12/5/2008 1:19:01 PM
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take 'em to the cleaners, joe!
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COMMENT |
posted by : BSlash24
12/5/2008 1:23:27 PM
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there's influence, & there is completely ripping off. If your guitar sound is just like say Brian Mays, and you write a song that sounds like Queen production, yet the song is not like any queen song, then you might want to find a more original SOUND, but you are not plagirising. But, if you take a whole riff, or the melody is spot on, then you've stolen. That Vanilla Ice is a great example of completely stealing, that's not even subtle....of course too, if its a more standard blues rock beat, then its sort of up for grabs, say a song like "ice cream man", never heard the original, but there are thousands of the same song, different lyrics.....I just saw a coverband do "what I like about you" (go figure) & in the middle of it cut into "R.o.c.k in the USA" & its identical. But that's a pretty standard 50's style rock beat...Now one of my favorite bands, I've come to find out not only stole from the blue artist(like all the 60's English bands), but Zep took whole songs. The intro to Stairway is completely ripped off from a spirit song. Shamelessly, & Im a huge Page fan, but I was shocked. They toured with Spirit in 69-70 & Page heard it...there were countless others.
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COMMENT | Dear Everyone in the fuckin' world
posted by : THRASHMONGER
12/5/2008 1:40:00 PM
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There's only 12 notes in our Western scale. There's only so many combinations.
Did they lift it? Probably.
Does it matter? If big bucks are involved, sure. Lawyers gotta get paid somehow, right? Fuckers...
But EVERYONE STEALS, even if unintentionally. There are probably no original combinations left.
Balls.
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COMMENT | hm really close.
posted by : megal0maniac
12/5/2008 1:45:49 PM
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and it might stand a chance. They will prolly do an out of court settlement. But the Coldplay guy cannot sing... he sounds atonal,
even after all the studio wizardry.... for gods sake, what's wrong with all those brit bands with those .... ahhhhhh---whiny aaaahhh, vocal-types !??? I hope Satch wins !
Btw, some greek pop singer, has stolen Coldplays Clocks, and when a journalist asked he about that, he lost his job .... nice ha ?
here's a vid of that ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3xx9e1XfJI
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COMMENT | Thrashmonger
posted by : BSlash24
12/5/2008 1:47:43 PM
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12 notes yes, unintentional, subliminal type stealing, it happens. Say like the Black Crowes, I guess they listen to a song then basically tweak it enough that its different enough. They are very derivative. But stealing say a whole intro, or exact melody? hoping maybe the person they steal from is obscure enough no one will know. Off with their heads!
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COMMENT | Like Coldplay even listen to Stach
posted by : Meatal
12/5/2008 2:45:33 PM
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"I'm sure Coldplay sits around listening to wank guitar albums all day to get ideas for hit singles.
Yes they do sound alike, but I wouldn't be surprised if no one in Coldplay has ever heard any Satch song at all, much less that song."
My thoughts exactly. The guys in Coldplay just don't seem the type to listen to guitar player records. They like stuff such as Kate Bush and english 80s pop groups.
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COMMENT | Buckcherry I love the Cocaine song and KISS 'Shock Me'
posted by : Meatal
12/5/2008 2:52:25 PM
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Is another blatent rip-off I could never undertsnad nobody ever caught on to. They are the exact same tune.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/5/2008 2:53:27 PM
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Any rock fan remember Kingdom Come? They were widely accused of ripping off Led Zeppelin - same style, same type of riff, same singing style - did Zep sue them?
As for Satch (not Satchmo - whichever F***tard wrote that clearly doesn't know anything about music) - he is one of the most original artists of modern times.
Joe Satriani has been in the business for many years and has written some mindblowing tunes/songs.
Case study 1: Joe Satriani taught Steve Vai the guitar
Case study 2: Joe Satriani coached Kirk Hammett from Metallica in the year or so before the black album
So, anyone care to suggest that Vai and Hammett have originality - sure you can argue how Vai is a highly gifted guitarist, but both he and Hammett's styles have elements of Satriani. Should he sue them?
No.
However, Coldplays "Viva La Diva" os too similar to Satriani's tune, so much so that I agree with him protecting his music. It doesn't take much for an artist "borrowing" any part of another artists creation, if they only give credit for it.
They have shot themsleves in the foot here, but as others have suggested on here - it could very well come down to coincidence.
We shall wait and see.
BTW - I am a fan of both Satriani and Coldplay - both songs are class!!!
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/5/2008 3:01:35 PM
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I can't believe I just sat through a minute of Coldplay and I'm still awake!
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COMMENT | kindom Come
posted by : BSlash24
12/5/2008 3:25:07 PM
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Zep would have Sued Kingdom come if they wrote a song that had the same exact riff or melody as one of theirs. Sounding like a band, notting you can do, but writing the same song is another matter.
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COMMENT | hmm
posted by : TastyGreens
12/5/2008 3:29:02 PM
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Actually, I am siding with Coldplay on this one. I doubt they've been able to remove the cocks from their ears long enough to listen to a Satriani album. Coldplay is inspired by man-goo, not instrumental music.
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COMMENT | hahaha
posted by :
12/5/2008 3:30:01 PM
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i cant believe some1 on here actually admitted to seeing coldplay not once but fucking twice!!!!!!!!!!
they ripped off joe, plain n simple, i hope those no talent fucks are reading this post, its the only REAL publicity those shit eating non talented assholes will ever get,
this is just too funny tho, go back n read some of thesed comments, im pissin my pants n scratchin my balls over this!!!!!!!
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COMMENT | MOOZER
posted by :
12/5/2008 3:34:59 PM
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I think you are a bit wrong on one part...
Joe teaching Hammett a year or so before the Black album. I believe he taught him guitar theory between Kill em All and Ride the LIghtning. You can definitely hear the differences in those 2 albums!
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COMMENT | Interesting
posted by :
12/5/2008 3:52:49 PM
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Wasn't there a small indie band too that was similar to "Viva La Vida"? Anyways, I thought that the new Coldplay album was ok. Not as good as their previous stuff, but still classy when compared to the crap that is popular right now.
P.S. I actually like the mash up in the end of the video. I think the song would sound better like that.
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COMMENT | Coldplay ripped him off!!!
posted by :
12/5/2008 4:01:50 PM
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Use Santriani's guitar and put it on a french artist Alizee song's J'en ai marre (played a bit faster) and you have Vida la Vida exactly, just add Chris Martin lyrics. It's the two songs in one untouched, notes for notes. Hope the french artist sues also! And Coldplay can go to hell! And pay out! Of course.
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COMMENT | what??????
posted by :
12/5/2008 4:06:10 PM
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are you f'n kidding me? no one listens to joe satriani, is's a simple melody, anyone could come up with that. if you think coldplay actually listens to joe satriani and literally copied him, well........you're an idiot
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COMMENT |
posted by : I 4 N I
12/5/2008 4:58:11 PM
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BanKBlak must be thinking......
DAMN, how could I have missed this one
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/5/2008 5:46:46 PM
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Even though the guitar has 6 strings and 24 frets or whatever, there are many, many different modes and scales and patterns and even if you don't know them, there will always be room on that instrument to create something unique - I hope! That is a scary thought considering I've been playing for 25 Yrs and love the sounds of a guitar, acoustic or electric more than any instrument.
Sometimes, however, people are innocent. I've known vocalists for example, or a vocalist let's say, who sounded like Keith from LOA but had been singing way before LOA came out or Keith Caputo from LOA was even heard of! Total coincident! What do you do if the vocalist you sound like is in a more popular band that you actually never even heard?!?! Do you then have to change your whole tonality to escape all of the rip off insults you'd have to endure?! My friend was lucky that LOA isn't that big but it could of been a bigger band. Keith is indeed a great, talented individual.
I miss that back in the days of classic rock, popular bands were also talented, unique, and wrote with substance. They had their own identity mixed with talent - and they were appreciated and became big for that!! What ever happened?!?! I think MTV and sheep mentality amongst the kids of today is what happened. All these popular bands are popular from the main consumers out there: female pre teens and teens!!
The question is, what is the fine line between being influenced and blatantly copying?!? To be influenced is fine as far as the law goes, it's just when the notes or melodies etc. coincide so tightly, that it is very apparent that there is some serious stealing going on!
BTW, I cannot see Coldplay listening to Satch; HOWEVER, that is how a band like Coldplay knows not to get caught because they can use their total difference in style and Satch's unforunate and undeserved relative obscurity as their excuse to not ripping him off. Could just be a clever attempt. Who knows?
BTW, I have met Satriani several times over the Yrs back in Long Island where he is from and where I lived for 18 Yrs - he was nothing but a complete gentleman. He NEVER had a rep for being a prick. Not this guy! Maybe Axl or Motley Crue but not Satch! Never.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/5/2008 6:04:20 PM
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Oh yeah, it's amazing how one segment of a Satch song will never get recognized by the mainstream but when Coldplay makes a fucking entire song out of that part of a Satch tune, it sells millions! Goes to show how fucked up this music industry is and why a lot of talentless, yet famous, big bands, due to their undeserved exposure, can simply take a segment of a song, make it a whole song and sell millions! What about the people that actually write the shit that no one even knows?? What a corrupt, asskissing, phony industry, not unlike politics and the disgusting, corruption provided by the legal system!
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COMMENT |
posted by : xlegionx
12/5/2008 8:36:07 PM
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Coldplay rips off Radiohead, not some overrated guitar masturbator.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/5/2008 8:47:02 PM
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To the guy that said:
if Coldplay are being sued for ripping people off, U2 should get in it & sue Coldplay for ripping off their entire sound & image from them.
I'm sure U2 would have a beef if Coldplay were actually any good at stealing their bit. These wankers are not even a poor man's U2
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/6/2008 1:28:05 AM
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COMMENT |
posted by : furor
12/5/2008 10:41:35 AM
Metallica's Sanitarium ripped off Rush's Tom Sawyer too. That heavy riff after the solo...bah dum bah dahh. bah dum bah dumm. You know? It's almost exactly the same as Tom Sawyer.
Bastages.
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If you went out and bought Master of Puppets, you would read the booklet and realise that they were paying tribute to Rush.
And if this were the case, then Graves-era Misfits would be up shit creek, because two of their songs at least have blatant rip-offs from Metallica songs. The up tempo second part to Helena sounds note-for-note the up tempo section to Sanitarium. And the intro to Scarecrow Man is the same guitar effect direct from King Nothing. There are probably more that I could find but I'm not really bothering to listen
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COMMENT |
posted by : Ram
12/6/2008 2:33:04 AM
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I like that quick "ROFL" flash when it shows Chris Martin in that ridiculous turtleneck.
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COMMENT |
posted by : juanneman
12/6/2008 4:35:35 AM
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This is becoming ridiculous. Gary Moore recently and now Joe, c´mon everyone rips off unintentionally. Do you think they actually heard the song? This is crazy, people at such level can become so greedy.
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COMMENT | It would be interesting...
posted by :
12/6/2008 6:24:48 AM
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... if there was an out-of-court settlement, part of it bein Joe and Coldplay jamming together on a new version with merged titles.
We are a hugely sue-happy country, aren't we?
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COMMENT | mikey s
posted by :
12/6/2008 7:46:20 AM
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What the fuck are you talking about?
I've had the pleasure of meeting Satch a couple times, and seen him live many time. He is a very Humble guy. I have never heard of any ocasions where he treats his fans with any kind of disrespect.
Stop talking out of your ass, and trying to look cool on the internet.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/6/2008 10:30:52 AM
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They should just have Joe join the band. What, are they stupid? Spliced, the song sounded more alive. That's for sure.
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COMMENT | JoePlay^^^^^^ColdJoe^^^^I'm with JCDC
posted by : shawnlanewasgawd
12/6/2008 5:15:31 PM
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I totally agree.....just make Joe a member of the band, Coldplays music will improve by leaps-n-bounds, Joe gets some fame & money, they're all still mega-millionaires, and everyone's happy.
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COMMENT | Loose Cannon
posted by :
12/7/2008 1:48:44 AM
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Papa Roach ripped off "Genghis Kahn" from Killers. Go back and listen to it.
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COMMENT | copying
posted by : YOURDADDYDEVILANDLORD
12/7/2008 3:48:47 PM
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Check out Green day's brainstew, Beatles While my Guitar Gently weeps, Chicago's 25 or 6 to 4 and Led Zeppelin's, I forgot which song but all of them have the same progression and timing. There is also Steve Millers the Stake and Joe Walsh Rocky Mountain Way.
It is easily possible that they just happened to right something similar, you only have twelve notes to work with, so many monkees with typewriters you know.
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COMMENT |
posted by : furor
12/8/2008 10:56:40 AM
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COMMENT |
posted by : skitzy dude
12/6/2008 1:28:05 AM
If you went out and bought Master of Puppets, you would read the booklet and realise that they were paying tribute to Rush.
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You fucktard...just because somebody lists a band in their 'thank' section of an album doesn't mean a part in one song that sounds like a part of another song means they are "paying tribute". It was an un-intentional swiping. Also, I bought the vinyl version of Puppets in 1986. When was it that you bought it?
And you misspelled 'realize'. Must be a limey.
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