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JOE SATRIANI Talks About Being 'Ripped Off' By COLDPLAY
- Dec. 8, 2008
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Legendary rock guitarist Joe Satriani has spoken to MusicRadar.com about his decision to sue COLDPLAY, accusing the Grammy-nominated stars of plagiarizing one of his songs. According to Reuters, Satriani's copyright infringement suit, filed on Thursday (December 4) in Los Angeles federal court, claims the COLDPLAY song "Viva La Vida" incorporates "substantial original portions" of his 2004 instrumental "If I Could Fly". The 52-year-old guitar virtuoso is seeking a jury trial, damages and "any and all profits" attributable to the alleged copyright infringement. Speaking to MusicRadar.com on December 6, Joe Satriani recalled the exact emotion he felt when he first heard COLDPLAY's "Viva La Vida". "The second I heard, I knew... I felt like a dagger went right through my heart. It hurt so much," Satriani said. "The second I heard it, I knew it was [my own] 'If I Could Fly'." As it turned out, Satriani wasn't the only one who noticed the similarity between "If I Could Fly" and "Viva La Vida". "Almost immediately, from the minute their song came out, my e-mail box flooded with people going, 'Have you heard this song by COLDPLAY? They ripped you off man,'" he said. "I mean, I couldn't tell you how many e-mails I received. "Everybody noticed the similarities between the songs. It's pretty obvious. It's as simple as that — when you listen to a song and you say, 'Wow, that's a real rip-off.'" Read more from MusicRadar.com. COLDPLAY's "Viva La Vida" vs. JOE SATRIANI's "If I Could Fly":
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/8/2008 6:57:56 AM
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Go get 'em Joe!
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COMMENT | hmmmm?
posted by : IkidIkid
12/8/2008 7:12:27 AM
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These songs are both good. But I must say it sounds more of an accident than on purpose. YES YES YES I love Satch but I'm not sold on the fact that Cold Play stole their melody from Joe.
Hell even I wrote a song once called "If YOU could fly"
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COMMENT | Second?
posted by :
12/8/2008 7:12:31 AM
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I may be wrong but is this not the second time coldplay has ripped somone off for the same song?
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COMMENT | He
posted by :
12/8/2008 7:20:17 AM
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First they ripp-off U2 in a major way and now Satch...Hope Satch tears them a new one in court!
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COMMENT | Wop wop wop.
posted by :
12/8/2008 7:22:53 AM
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Joe Satriani is fucked up. Before him and Coldplay, some other bands made these songs:
Los Enanitos Verdes - Frances Limón (2002): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G57CgtX-BsI
Marty Balin - Hearts (1980~1982): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vASdN1WZWAM
Yep, he's pretty much fucked.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/8/2008 7:26:54 AM
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Oh sorry, bad grammar.
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COMMENT |
posted by : The Judge
12/8/2008 7:29:48 AM
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Still remember seeing his first ever gig in the UK at the old Marquee. Legend.
Fuck Coldplay!
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COMMENT | Gettinbroady
posted by : chelloveck
12/8/2008 7:30:49 AM
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The first band they ripped off was Kraftwerk, but they had permission to. He had literaly beg them to use the melody to Computer World (I think that was the song).
As for the satch thing, I guess there is a slim chance of coincidence... but they're pretty damn similar
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COMMENT |
posted by : Neo139
12/8/2008 7:31:29 AM
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Joe will get more $ if they record them together and released it in a single.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/8/2008 8:04:07 AM
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They're similar.
But there's a difference between similarity and plagiarism. There ARE only 12 musical notes, after all.
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COMMENT | The Judge
posted by : TheGreyArea
12/8/2008 8:09:17 AM
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... The old Marquee...
*eye's go misty... look's off into the middle distance, bottom lip trembles*... Happy days man!!!
This is a very tricky subject though. original Riffs come in shorter and shorter supply.
And with the amount of notation and arrangements still left to execute, I’ve always found it lays more on the presentation / delivery and even genre, when it comes to comparing “like sounding” music. It’s worst feeling in the world to lay down a killer Jam (even go as far as recording and mastering) only to realize some other fucker with a similar playing style to you have gone and bagged it already. Sinking feeling!!!! BEEN THERE!
But hell, this is big Joe Satch we’re talking about…
… and C*NTPLAY of all bands! … Joe! KILL!!! A band THAT is (supposedly) this Big, should be more aware, sensitive and prepared to check their stuff (which is always going to be making, immediate, huge money... brought by these media fed, brain dead “I like this band because MTV tells me I do” motherf*krs) against what’s already out there
I’m actually surprised to read that Joe recognized anything from them that actually sounded any different to the last decade of their monotone, Paltrow tapping boredom
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COMMENT | Love Joe...
posted by : iandisurvive
12/8/2008 8:12:10 AM
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but this isn't going to work in his favor. Its a pretty common note progression. I think he will lose sadly. When in doubt trust E,A,D and B. Sometimes G.
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COMMENT |
posted by : jeffgq
12/8/2008 8:14:19 AM
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just heard the side-by-side comparison on the radio. total rip off. coldplay was also sued 6 months about the same song from a band called 'crickety boards' or some shit. they sounded exactly the same too. fuck coldplay, write your own shit.....
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/8/2008 8:20:41 AM
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I doubt Coldplay sits at home listening to Joe Satriani records.
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COMMENT |
posted by : markdr
12/8/2008 8:22:57 AM
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Dagger through his heart? He's being amazingly overdramatic about this. I do think it's a bit too similar to be a coincidence. I'm not sure how it'll go in court but somebody told me a much weaker case like this succeeded (I forget the artists involved, sorry) so who knows? If he gets "all profits" that will be a shitload of money, Viva la Vida was undoubtedly the song of 2008 (in the UK anyway, but I would also assume in US).
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posted by : mr. moof
12/8/2008 8:24:43 AM
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A "dagger through your heart"? You sound like quite the drama queen, Joe.
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posted by : mr. moof
12/8/2008 8:25:24 AM
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markdr-- like minds!
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COMMENT | dreamof revenge
posted by :
12/8/2008 8:25:38 AM
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"Los Enanitos Verdes - Frances Limón (2002): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G57CgtX-BsI
Marty Balin - Hearts (1980~1982): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vASdN1WZWAM"
Good point on these songs...
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COMMENT |
posted by : Guitarp77
12/8/2008 8:25:41 AM
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Chord progression is one thing, but the melody line over it its a very different argument.
And I hope Satch wins some bucks!
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COMMENT | Bed, Bath & Beyond rock
posted by : MF
12/8/2008 8:28:12 AM
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As much as i'd love to see the music of Coldplay wiped from the face of the earth, i doubt Satch will have much luck in court on this one. It's a bland generic melody which is precisely why it ended up in a Coldplay song. Besides, Tom Petty didn't sue the Chili Peppers over 'Dani California's Last Dance'. Rock n Roll is rife with plagiarism, that's just the way it is. Deal with it.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/8/2008 8:46:11 AM
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It's a total rip off. Friggin Coldplay...
Heh, the best part of the video is when both songs were played together. Sounded awesome.
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COMMENT | Fogerty
posted by : Jack Bauer
12/8/2008 8:56:14 AM
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Remember when John Fogerty was suid by the record label because they said he plaugerized himself when he released "Old Man Down the Road" after he went solo, and they said it was just like "Run Through the Jungle". Well, they were right. Even as a kid, I used to mistake the two songs for each other, long before I even knew about the lawsuit.
Anyway, the third one with the two songs put together sounds great. It's tough in music, but I think Joe has a case here. I'm just so tired of bands like Coldplay.
There is a bands on popular rock radio rught now, I can't remember who, they have a song called "Bad Girlfriend". Terrible song, but the featured guitar riff sounds exactly like The Cult's "Fire Woman".
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COMMENT | Joe Satriani made a huge mistake
posted by :
12/8/2008 8:56:50 AM
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Well, looks like everyone here is a metalhead ignorant, so I'll spam again my comment, and everyone could check it out. instead of saying "HURRDURR COLDPLAY RIPPED-OFF SATRIANI"
"Joe Satriani is fucked up. Before him and Coldplay, some other bands made these songs:
Los Enanitos Verdes - Frances Limón (2002): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G57CgtX-BsI
Marty Balin - Hearts (1980~1982): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vASdN1WZWAM
Yep, he's pretty much fucked."http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/images/btn_post_your_comm.jpg
There you go.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/8/2008 8:59:43 AM
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Oh, well, ignore the last URL, my bad.
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COMMENT | no accident
posted by : BSlash24
12/8/2008 9:01:28 AM
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its a complete rip off. Of course if Satch took it from another song as some are saying, then all bets off, but otherwise, the melody that is song is identical. Howard Stern "mashed" the 2 songs today, putting the singing over the Satch version, it was identical. And not like a basic riff that could be an accident.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/8/2008 9:16:21 AM
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hahah that's the same song. i don't really care for satriani, but coldplay sucks, hope he wins buckets of their money
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COMMENT | Coincidence
posted by :
12/8/2008 9:23:10 AM
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I'm not a huge Coldplay fan, I don't mind them, they do what they do reasonably well, I wouldn't buy anything of theirs but if someone had it on at a party it wouldn't bug me, but I just think that there is NO way that Coldplay are Joe Satriani fans and sit around looking stealing his melodies. I think Joe is not going to win this one.
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COMMENT | ...
posted by : You Don't Know Me
12/8/2008 9:29:46 AM
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Guaranteed this gets settled out of court.
On a side note, I had no idea that Joe Satriani is almost as old as my dad. That's kinda weird.
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COMMENT | fans?
posted by : BSlash24
12/8/2008 9:32:42 AM
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It doesn't matter if Coldplay are fans of Satch's, who's better, all that. All it took was maybe hearing it once or twice. Or the guitar player might be into Joe S. from a guitar standpoint. Musicians listen to lots of stuff, and some of these guys may even had been a metal head in their past. either way, you don't come up with that exact melody out of the blue. Also, even if it were complete coincidence(which there's not a chance), I heard a legal guy on the radio discussing this very case this morning, & he said its Joe's song, so anyone stealing it, on purpose or inadvertantly, can be sued & lose....now if Joe stole the melody, then Coldplay may have got it else where.
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COMMENT |
posted by : choko001
12/8/2008 9:33:31 AM
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GO FUCKING JOE!!!
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COMMENT | Music Guru
posted by : BSlash24
12/8/2008 10:03:29 AM
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you are correct. Its a blatant rip off, not like some blues standard, or sort of the same melody like the "My Sweet Lord" George Harrison suit. This is dead on, he's put words to the guitar melody.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/8/2008 10:04:57 AM
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The question I want answered is, what the hell is up with the turtle neck sweater!!!?
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COMMENT | We don't know...
posted by : boogeyman777
12/8/2008 10:09:20 AM
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...that Coldplay *doesn't* listen to Joe Satriani. It *is* conceivable. Perhaps one of gents from Coldplay heard the song once upon a time, and is a victim of inadvertent and subconscious plagiarism -- though I suspect this case will be a stark reminder.
Joe Satriani is a class act. Call him dramatic (I don't think he is), but try to see it from his perspective. He is a musician, he lives his life for music. Can you imagine tuning into the radio one day to hear a song that has become quite popular and is making $ -- and it's essentially your melody and you've received no recognition? It would be a pisser for sure!
I'm a huge hard rock/metal fan, but I can appreciate some of Coldplay's songs. "The Scientist" and "Fix You" are good songs. You don't have to be a "douchebag" to like them.
Sure, there are only 12-notes in a musical scale, but the way you syncopate and arrange them has many variations. The arrangements are too close for comfort. It's either plagiarism or the universe is about to collapse on itself!
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COMMENT | well then...
posted by : Obsidian
12/8/2008 10:13:05 AM
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Listened to the links posted by the person above and the melody is very similar to the other 2 bands.They both predate Joe.
The thing is the lead melody has become a vocal, literally. Same progression and timing. Another thing, the backing guitar's chords choice appears pretty close to each other. Notes, and timing - admittedly different patterns though.
I hope he gets some portion of the profits.
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COMMENT | Come on!
posted by :
12/8/2008 10:20:09 AM
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I doubt the guitarists in coldplay are anywhere near capable of playing joe's material.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/8/2008 10:26:15 AM
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How many bands/musicians have ripped off Dylan, Beatles, Sabbath, Kraftwerk?
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COMMENT | Guru
posted by : BSlash24
12/8/2008 10:27:00 AM
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right on M.Guru. And does it matter if the Coldplay guy can touch Satch, they took the melody line. He sings it...I'm not a Coldplay fan, but I bet the guitarist is probably better too than he shows on record, they are guitar light, but I bet when called upon he can play very well. But who knows. Its a moot point...the argument of being only 12 notes & there are bound to be rewrites, true to a point, but not in this case....though if there are versions that predate Satch, then those people may be the ones being ripped off.
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COMMENT |
posted by : xlegionx
12/8/2008 10:37:53 AM
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Who cares, both songs suck ass.
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COMMENT | warped head
posted by : BSlash24
12/8/2008 10:45:09 AM
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agree, those people get ripped off, but more stylistically. Like say Oasis trying to sound like the Beatles, in sound/production, but they don't take a whole song & call it their own. (or maybe they have?)
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COMMENT |
posted by : wastingbeerz
12/8/2008 10:45:51 AM
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Hopefully people finally stop seeing Coldplay as some sort of musical Jesuses and for what they really are... unoriginal hacks.
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COMMENT | Nice links dreamofrevenge.
posted by : Raiders757
12/8/2008 10:59:17 AM
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I'm a huge Satch fan, and think he should just drop it. The melody in his song, the song in dreamofrevenge's link, and Coldplay's, is rather standard. I am willing to bet that if we all dugg deep enough, we would find songs with similar melody lines decades old.
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COMMENT | It's the same but...
posted by : Dedraeb Malc
12/8/2008 11:01:27 AM
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It's not a very unique melody line or chord progression. I've heard other songs that are similar. Like a lot of people are saying on this blog, there are only 12 notes and only so many ways to play them.
How does Satriani even know the guys in Cold Play ever heard his song "If I could Fly"? I never have because I don't listen to the guy much. I'm not big on overplaying instrumentalist rock/fusion music anymore.
Think about it, when you listen to any music you can probably hear similarities in lots of songs, I know I do, especially in rock. Don't even get me started on jazz. There is plagiarism all over jazz. There is blatant plagiarism and coincidental plagiarism and I think this falls under coincidental. Not that I'm trying to defend Cold Play, but it's not as if Satriani's music is popular and played on the radio often. He's more of a musician's act, especially for guitarists. He has more of a cult following.
That's just my two cents!
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COMMENT |
posted by : RiotAct666
12/8/2008 11:27:29 AM
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Go Joe Go!!!!!!!!
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COMMENT |
posted by : BSlash24
12/8/2008 11:29:49 AM
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if that isn't an unique melody, then what is? its a long note string too, not like 3 notes. Its not like its a situation where its just simular, its a complete rip off of the song. Taken completely. The argument "coldplay doesn't listen to Joe S", well someone did. Its the same song. Not something that influenced.
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COMMENT | There are three other bands who have the same melody
posted by : Dedraeb Malc
12/8/2008 11:35:08 AM
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How unique can it be?
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/8/2008 11:47:43 AM
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Hey Jack Bauer,
"Remember when John Fogerty was suid by the record label because they said he plaugerized himself when he released "Old Man Down the Road" after he went solo, and they said it was just like "Run Through the Jungle". Well, they were right. Even as a kid, I used to mistake the two songs for each other, long before I even knew about the lawsuit."
John Fogerty actually won his court case after playing both songs back to back on the guitar in front of the judge. They are actually different songs, but do sound somewhat similar.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/8/2008 11:56:08 AM
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Sounds very similar... But.. I'm not sold on coldplay blatantly ripping someone off. That's pretty bold.
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COMMENT | the real problem
posted by :
12/8/2008 12:01:44 PM
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If you think Coldplay is making songs that sound like yours, it's time for a drastic re-evaluation of your songwriting approach.
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COMMENT |
posted by : madeinquebec
12/8/2008 12:07:12 PM
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Coldplay should be sued for sucking
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COMMENT | I guarantee that Joe loses this suit! I guarantee it.
posted by :
12/8/2008 12:49:33 PM
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First, as other before me have already proven the chord progression is cliched and, therefore, very common. The execution of the chord progression and the melody are different with different note values. Satch's rhythm is in a typical strumming style in while Coldplay's rhythm is with a different instrument via the violin which isn't strummed. The melody is similar, but but not the same.
Now, I regard both Satch and Coldplay similarly; I'm familiar with both artists and some of their work , but am not a big fan of either so I have no bias. Both get boring really quickly as well as both have some decent songs. I personally never heard of Satch's version at all. This was the first time hearing it. Only big fans of Satch will be familiar with his song. If I haven't heard it and I am more inclined to listen to rock and metal, then what's the chances Coldplay heard it? The prosecution has the burden of proof and must prove that Coldplay actually had heard the song. I HIGHLY doubt that the guys from Coldplay are big Satch fans and doubt more that they have any of his music. It seems unlikely. At best, it could be inadvertent plagiarism , but this will be hard to prove since the chord progression is very common. I see Satch losing this case because of this.
Most of these cases are settled out of court. The best possible way to deal with this situation is to combine the songs. They sound good separately and sound way better together. They should provide a version with both version meshed together as in the clip that accompanied this album and release it together and share the profits. They both will receive publicity and plenty of money and may even get a grammy in the process. Satch, Coldplay burry the hatchet and make it happen the song sounds better with both camps.
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COMMENT | rutgher
posted by :
12/8/2008 12:52:01 PM
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Are you talking about With or Without you by U2? Im not really into radio friendly Coldplay, but there is this song played on the radio that is nearly the same vain as "with or without you".
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COMMENT | It never ends...
posted by : Cowboy From Hull
12/8/2008 1:03:06 PM
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Here's a funny article about sound-alike songs and it's so true about Dream Theater...
http://www.alloutguitar.com/feature/songs_sound_too_close_comfort
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/8/2008 1:27:41 PM
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You know how I know you're gay? You listen to Coldplay rip off Satriani.
http://DPDave.com
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COMMENT | Good Luck Joe
posted by :
12/8/2008 2:41:27 PM
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Hope things work out for ya.
Kind regards, Lamina34
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COMMENT | dreamofrevenge
posted by : Totentanz
12/8/2008 3:25:37 PM
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...how the fuck did you find those songs?!!
I'm worried in case they're in your collection. But excellent point, well made.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/8/2008 3:27:53 PM
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I wonder what the success rate for these types of cases is...
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COMMENT | The truth is...
posted by :
12/8/2008 3:37:47 PM
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there very similar but there's no way to prove it for sure. this asswiple that put the video together obviously downtuned "If I Could Fly". I've been a huge fan of that song since "Is There Any Love In Space" was released back in 2004 and that version he has of it in the video is way lower then the original. He just downtuned it because he's obviously a biased dickwad. Next time play the song in its original octave and compare it side by side. Be logical and fair. don't suck joe satriani's cock cause it makes you look cool
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/8/2008 3:48:50 PM
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assuming joe stole the riff from the songs in the above videos, it's irrelevant. So long as joe owns the copywrite for that piece of music, he is the sole proprietor of it. Coldplay is sorta fucked here. I say it gets settled out of court for a few million.
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COMMENT | Accident or not...
posted by :
12/8/2008 6:36:50 PM
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it still violates copyright infringement law. This will likely settle unless Coldplay wants to get what The Verve got a decade ago for using an old Rolling Stones tune without permission on "Bittersweet Symphony." That ended in forfeiture of all profits and royalties. After that, has anybody even heard of them? Not really. If Coldplay wants to continue to exist, I believe that a settlement is definitely in their future.
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COMMENT | The Rip-off Artist
posted by : J.M.R.
12/8/2008 11:38:13 PM
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It's one thing to copy a chord progression, as there are no copyright laws against this. But when you "quote" the melody and chord progression and do not give credit, then this is infringement. There have been other songs in the past that have quoted famous melodies. The intro to "Purple Haze" was quoted at the end of "I want a new drug" by Huey Lewis. Countless others have done the same thing. They give interpretation credits to the original artists. But, I lean towards Joe on this one.
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COMMENT | Coldplay totally ripped Joe off!
posted by : Merrie
12/9/2008 1:18:29 AM
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I am not even that familiar with Coldplay's Vida song, but what I had heard of it, I liked. When I listened to Joe's earlier song, even I knew he had been plagerized -- it is unmistakable. Go get 'em, Joe!
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/9/2008 10:33:30 AM
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Sounds like Joe is about to cry...*sniff*
there there, Joe....don't let that bad ol' coldplay steal your song-take their asses to the highest court in the land!!!
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COMMENT | And One More Thing!!
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12/9/2008 4:07:14 PM
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I think the estate of Charles Schultz (Peanuts cartoon creator) should sue Chris Martin of Coldplay too for stealing Schroeder's piano playing style.
Have you ever seen Coldplay live? I saw them once a couple years ago and Martin just hunched over the piano the whole time without hardly ever looking up or acknowledging the audience. You'd think Lucy Van Pelt was standing over him. BORING!!!
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COMMENT |
posted by : icarus_oz
12/10/2008 5:25:17 AM
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Seriously, any one who posts on a hard rock/metal site about hating Satriani/loving coldplay is on the WRONG god damned site! You need to ask for your balls back from your girlfriends...
if you want to defend coldplay, do it on their message boards
Whether you like Satch or not, the melodies and Chord Progressions are the same, except for one tiny part where Chris Martin changes one note - they maybe would have gotten away for it but for two key factors:
1. time signiature is SPOT ON, further compounding the guilt
2. Satch actually has real fans... did they think no one would kick up a stink?
The real shame is that the only way Satch gets the mainstream publicity he deserves is by someone making millions by ripping off his melody!
Having said all of this, anyone remember "Down With The Ship" by Scatterbrain? Genius, coz it was a piss-take, and not without irony!
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