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GUNS N' ROSES: 'Chinese Democracy' U.S. Sales Drop Whopping 78 Percent
- Dec. 10, 2008
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GUNS N' ROSES' new album, "Chinese Democracy", sold just under 57,000 copies in the United States in its second week of release to land at position No. 18 on The Billboard 200 chart. This represents a whopping 78-percent drop from the CD's opening-week tally of 261,000. "Chinese Democracy" dropped out of the U.K. Top 10 this past Sunday (December 7), having landed at No. 11 in its second full week of release. The CD debuted at No. 2 in the U.K. after failing to outsell "Day & Age", the latest album from Las Vegas rock group THE KILLERS. Only singer Axl Rose remains in the current GUNS roster, having taken some 15 years to complete "Chinese Democracy" with a revolving cast of musicians. According to Hits Daily Double, the companion web site of music industry tip sheet HITS, most of the blame for "Chinese Democracy"'s relative lack of promotion rests at the feet of Axl Rose. IGA ( Interscope Geffen A&M) and Best Buy were reportedly handicapped on a number of levels, due in large part to Rose's refusal to participate in the setup — dramatically reducing the ability of the label and Best Buy to market the release. 
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posted by : oPanterao
12/10/2008 7:33:17 AM
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jesus
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COMMENT | HAHA
posted by :
12/10/2008 7:33:19 AM
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guess they should'nt have released exclusively through Best Buy. Not to mention Axle has not done any support for this cd whatsoever, kinda get the feeling that Geffen found a loop hole to finally put out the material whether Axel approved or not
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COMMENT | meh
posted by : Hardcore666
12/10/2008 7:34:07 AM
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My interest in this CD has also dropped 78% since I bought it.
Liked it at first but now I find it boring and have gone back to old school GnR to fill the void.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/10/2008 7:38:53 AM
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this album is complete shit.
Anyone who says otherwise is completely delusional.
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COMMENT | DeadSkin Mask
posted by : oPanterao
12/10/2008 7:43:09 AM
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DeadSkin Mask is a complete idiot
Anyone who says otherwise is completely delusional
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/10/2008 7:50:01 AM
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First 3 songs on album are OK. After that, gets lost in AXL's self indulgence. Can't these guys figure out that Velvet Revolver and Guns N Rosessuck? Guess someone will have to write a big check for reunion tour.
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COMMENT | Hahahahahahaha
posted by : BlabberMagnetic
12/10/2008 7:50:46 AM
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We should've made a bet with T-Boner that if this record flopped, he would leave this site for good.
DeadSkinMask is a complete genius.
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COMMENT | HA!!!
posted by :
12/10/2008 7:53:38 AM
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HA!! HA!!! HA!!!!
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/10/2008 7:55:39 AM
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CHINESE FLOPOCRACY.
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COMMENT |
posted by : krek
12/10/2008 8:00:55 AM
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smell like a reunion
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COMMENT | .
posted by :
12/10/2008 8:07:21 AM
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EPIC
FAIL.
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COMMENT |
posted by : Kovaks
12/10/2008 8:11:40 AM
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No surprise...
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COMMENT | ???
posted by : morgoth78
12/10/2008 8:13:56 AM
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he is rich enough...it is time to give music the 1st role on this release...
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/10/2008 8:20:40 AM
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Most CD's that came out last week fell that much.
Abd bbmouth, why do you only post these daily updates for GNR? It gets old.
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COMMENT | pfftt...........
posted by : 5points
12/10/2008 8:23:26 AM
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HAHA!!!!!!!!!!
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COMMENT | oPanterao
posted by :
12/10/2008 8:24:32 AM
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Please, explain to me why you think the musical content in Chinese Democracy is so great.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/10/2008 8:27:15 AM
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GIGA FLOP
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COMMENT | who cares...
posted by : fixedbroken
12/10/2008 8:36:34 AM
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its an awesome album. people are too dumb to see that.
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COMMENT |
posted by : aquanet&spandex
12/10/2008 8:49:56 AM
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Awesome album?
You need to share your drugs with the rest of us. That album is a complete mess. I loved the older GNR stuff, but this CD is crap.
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COMMENT | fixedbroken
posted by :
12/10/2008 8:51:37 AM
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how can we be 'to dumb to see that'? that doesnt make sense! either we're dumb(which means a person cannot speak) or we cannot see..so how can we not see if we're listening to the album? uoy'er a itb idemx pu ourylfes!
the 'best album in music history' has majorly...flopped. ha..haha..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
i wish axhole would come out of hiding, so we point and laugh at him..
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COMMENT |
posted by : rds
12/10/2008 8:52:36 AM
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I BOUGHT THIS DISC BECAUSE BUCKETHEAD WAS ON IT, I NEVER REALLY WENT OUT OF MY WAY TO SUPPORT THIS BAND EVEN BACK IN THE DAY(i bought mine used off Amazon). BUCKETHEAD'S RIFFS/ SOLOS MADE THIS RECORD WHAT IT IS.
CHEERS TO BUCKETHEAD!
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COMMENT | DeadSkin Mask
posted by : oPanterao
12/10/2008 8:53:23 AM
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I don't think Chinese Democracy is great. I think it has some decent moments, but way overhyped. But as soon as you say "Anybody that thinks this is a retard", then I believe that makes you the retard.
Understand?
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COMMENT |
posted by : Mister Groping
12/10/2008 8:55:24 AM
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You have to feel sorry for Axl's manager don't you. He will no doubt be the one who has to break the bad news to him...
"Errr, Axl. Sorry, but people have sussed out that this isn't really a GnR record and people think you are a bit crap."
Ha! ha!
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COMMENT | oPanterao
posted by :
12/10/2008 8:58:57 AM
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...and anyone who dishes out 2 "Retard" references during the course of 3 sentences is an ignorant child.
Don't put words in my mouth.
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COMMENT | Why the hell is AXL refusing to do interviews and promotion?
posted by :
12/10/2008 9:00:07 AM
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The PoS takes 14 years to record an Album and then he doesn't want to talk about it? WTF...
They should have done what Metallica did to bolster sales, force you to buy a copy of the album with every presale ticket for tour, unfortunately the Chinese Demo tour was 2 years before the Album came out. What a Cluster Fuck.
So how the planets are aligning for a real GnR reunion, Velvet Revolver is dying and so is the axls fake guns. I'm sure all their bank accounts are hurting with the beating the stock market is taking so its prime time for a cash grab.
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COMMENT | Makes me wonder
posted by :
12/10/2008 9:02:07 AM
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What Axl is going to do now that his work is an embarrassment and not selling well at all? I wonder if he is the type to commit suicide over this. What a has-been! The songs I listened to were crap. I'm not interested in finding out what the rest of the CD has to offer.
Does anyone know what radio stations are playing songs from this CD? I can't imagine any rock stations would play this crap.
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COMMENT |
posted by : me...?
12/10/2008 9:03:32 AM
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who was the dumb-ass who kept posting
-----------------CHINESE DEMOCRACY STARTS NEXT MONTH------
last year? WHATCHA GOT TO SAY NOW, IDIOT....?
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COMMENT | losferwrds
posted by :
12/10/2008 9:04:42 AM
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Actualy, the first Chinese Democracy Tour was in 2002!
6 Years before the album was released.
Here is a tour shirt to prove it.
http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=428053
It's beyone me why anyone in their right mind would want to line this guys pockets with their hard earned cash.
Unbelievable.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/10/2008 9:06:35 AM
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Let me remind you that Velvet Revolver's album sold way less in the first weeks of its release...and that band had THREE ex-Guns members...
Chinese Democracy owns Posers' Magnetic anyway..
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COMMENT | Power_Age
posted by :
12/10/2008 9:10:52 AM
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Yes, but if they slapped "Guns N' Roses" on the cover, it would have sold about 10x more.
If Chinese Mediocrity did not have GnR on the cover, and still had all the same content, it would have never even cracked the top 10.
He should change the name of this band to one of the following:
- The Axl Rose Band
- The Axl Rose Experience
- HiredGuns N' Roses
- Bill Bailey & The Wailers
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COMMENT | This album
posted by : MetalTimJ
12/10/2008 9:14:02 AM
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failed to bring Democracy to China, and now it fails to even beat ...The Killer? Complete and utter............Failure. Hey, but I got my can of Dr. Pepper, so I came out ahead.
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COMMENT | I guess it
posted by : MetalTimJ
12/10/2008 9:16:18 AM
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will take more than an album to bring democracy to China. I wouldn't have believed it, if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes. Incredible.
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COMMENT | Figures, Asshole Axl Rose Sucks Balls.....
posted by :
12/10/2008 9:18:25 AM
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Figures as much, no matter how long or how much went into making this album, it would suck. Was a fan of the earlier shit, still am as a matter of fact but look what success Slash, Duff and Matt Sorum had since the break up of the semi-original lineup. They went on and formed Velvet Revolver and had phenominal success with only just one album but that just goes to show that no matter who is the singer of Velvet Revolver or Guns n Roses, you still have a great lineup of instrumental musicians that will kick your ass with great music, they just can't seem to keep a singer due to drugs and alcohol or egomaniacal jerk-offs such as Axl Rose and Scott Weiland. Who they need is someone who will be more than willing to sing for them....hmmmm......let me see here, who fits the shoes properly...umm....NOBODY! The singers of bands from yesteryear want their old bands back but they have been since long forgotten about that nobody seems to give a fuck about them anymore. Have we heard anything new on Stone Temple Pilots since Weiland was fired? Has Rage Against the Machine confirmed a new album? Is Soundgarden getting back together? Answer: NO! All these "supergroups" over the last 5 years haven't done nothing but give us some decent music since their parent bands broke up and done nothing over the years. First Audioslave and now Velvet Revolver and hell Audioslave did more than Velvet Revolver did. Shit I'd say fuck it and just let all these bands get together and form one huge band and just call it, Rejects of the 90's. These bands were great in their time but this isn't 1990 anymore, its 2008 and its the dawn of a new era. So in ending, GnR was great in its time, but Chinese Democracy isn't worth making a big fuss over it. As was STP and Soundgarden and RATM. No new albums will save the careers of these great 90's bands. Not even reunions will work cuzz look at Zeppelin...NOTHING NEW FROM THEM! Legends will die as LEGENDS! If It Ain't Broke, Don't Fix It!
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COMMENT |
posted by : MarcusSeven
12/10/2008 9:21:03 AM
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Chinese Democracy has to be one of the most over-hyped pieces of shit I've ever seen in my life.
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posted by : MarcusSeven
12/10/2008 9:22:00 AM
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And I lol'd at the Adam West poster.
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COMMENT | LOL @ AXL
posted by :
12/10/2008 9:28:41 AM
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WHAT A FAILURE
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COMMENT | Chinese democracy
posted by :
12/10/2008 9:29:41 AM
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Masterpiece of modern times.
These days people are only interested in something easy to swallow and digest.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/10/2008 9:33:10 AM
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I'm amazed by the number of people saying: 'Oh no, this album sucks, it doesn't SOUND like Guns N' Roses' ... what you really mean is: it doesn't sound like AFD. ... Well, what the fuck did you guys expect? It's obvious they were never gonna go that way again, and that was already made clear with UYI. Just like on UYI, you've got big orchestrations, piano's and violin's everywhere, because that's the way they were heading all along! Slash didn't approve this of course, so that's one of the reasons why he left the band back then - ''musical differences'', but to me it was no surprise hearing songs like 'sorry' or 'this I love'. I bet half of the haters never listened to Chinese Democracy, and just go with the flow. Fuck that, you can make your own opinion, instead of shouting someone else's.
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COMMENT |
posted by : Ace96
12/10/2008 9:33:17 AM
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I was a first day buyer and the album is decent. But it's failing to maintain my interest for much longer. It just doesn't seem to have much staying power.
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COMMENT | Well at least
posted by :
12/10/2008 9:44:55 AM
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my Dr Pepper is on the way...nothing else matters!!!!
like one poster said, if axhole was wanting this album to be a smash he would be out there pushing the damn thing
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COMMENT | ha
posted by :
12/10/2008 9:46:16 AM
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Gotta love it, maybe now Axl will wake the hell up and figure out he is not as important as he thinks he is.
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COMMENT | CHI-DEM for coaster
posted by :
12/10/2008 9:48:30 AM
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Check your local record bin soon....it will be there for 5 bucks or less
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COMMENT | I'm not WRONG
posted by : axlsfartsarefragrantblossoms
12/10/2008 9:48:49 AM
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"who was the dumb-ass who kept posting
-----------------CHINESE DEMOCRACY STARTS NEXT MONTH------
last year? WHATCHA GOT TO SAY NOW, IDIOT....?"
That was ME !!! And Chi-Dem has DROPPED, thats what I have to say. And this article is a lie ,it didnt drop 78% its a massive global hit and the number 1 album in the world. Blab = TELLING LIES. Its a conspiracy! They are trying to protect rap nu-metal & cookie monster so they are lying about the sales. IT'S THE #1 ALBUM!!! And its going to stay #1 for a long time. Dont believe the lies! Ur a dumb ass if you believe it.
The truth that they are hiding from you: CHI-DEM IS AT #1
SET IN STONE!!!
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COMMENT | Power_age
posted by : BSlash24
12/10/2008 9:53:11 AM
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I'm not a hater, but its really not going to sound like GnR cuz its really not, its just Axl. Doesn't mean its bad though...or good. Sales don't make it a good or bad CD either, but I don't think its going to get heard from a mass audience. Honestly, if there isn't some serious radio play or a single(I hate having to pimp a good rock album with single, but...), the only people listening or buy are the hard core Axl fans, and a few curious GnR fans. Most rock fans in general barely recognize its release. I COULD be big news if it got promoted....but it would have to then be back by some great music...these sales are proving my point, it spiked quick(Axl Fans), then dropped off dramatically. if it continues down next week, it will just fizzle out, then the label will give up on it, & there will be no new releases for single....it will financially & sales wise flop. Creatively, that's up for debate, and that is truly what is important to the real fans, is it a good CD?
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COMMENT | i guess i'm not surprised that many people don't like this album.
posted by :
12/10/2008 10:02:22 AM
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let me start off by saying, i think it's a masterpeice.
i heard "better" a few months before the album came out and thought it was an excellent song. then "chinese democracy" was played on the radio a few weeks before the album came out. i thought it was ok but not great.
i bought the album the first day of release and listened to it all day. i did think it was a little mellow for g n'r but heard some great stuff non the less.
the more i listened to it, the more the songs and melodies stuck in my head.
i think the problem is that most people don't really like music, they just get caught up in the scene of what seems cool to others at the moment.
i've always said that rap music fans have a very short attention span. what's cool this week is corny next week! i see that more and more with metal/rock fans anymore.
people don't really listen to the music!
i own albums from the 70's and 80's that probably never sold 261,000 copies total and they still kick as much ass as they ever did...
chinese democracy is a modern day classic!
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COMMENT | T-bonmer ius CELEBATING!!!
posted by : axlsfartsarefragrantblossoms
12/10/2008 10:03:50 AM
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Hes happy because Chi-Dem has conquered the world !!!
Dont laugh HATERS, just remember:
IF YA MESS WITH THE ROSE, YA GET THE THORNS !!!
W.A.R. IS COMING FOR THE UNBELIEVERS
run home to mammy!!!
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COMMENT | Because it sucks ass
posted by : Rokkaholik
12/10/2008 10:07:51 AM
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That is all....
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COMMENT | !!!
posted by :
12/10/2008 10:13:02 AM
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i like 78% more then the first time i listened to it. its better then all off the other crap thats been on the radio for the last few years, but thats no challenge realy, Nickelback, Killers, Kings Of Leon, Linkin Park, Foo Fighters, Chinese Democracy is better then any albums by these bands.
long in the tooth: you are absolutely right!!!! people dont listen to music any more, just 1-2 songs(hits) per album and say the bands are great but if you play the other stuff of the albums they dont even know whats songs they are.
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COMMENT | mistake
posted by : BSlash24
12/10/2008 10:13:28 AM
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its definitely a mistake going in listening to this album thinking "psyched to hear new GnR", cuz its simply not. I was a GnR fan. this is Axl. That's not necessarily a bad thing if he pulls it off with great music. But I was a fan of Slash's playing, sound, their song writing approach with Izzy, that's why I loved GnR, and Axl was originally a great rock singer, great front man(he became a parody of himself on the Illusions tour). Their original attitude, which does translate in the music. They played great hard rock, riff & roll, sort of anti Shred. This is not that now...again, you can still listen with an open mind, but its just way different. The song Chin Dom was decent, but not great. I really like TWAT(who doesn't), Street of Dreams I heard on the radio, found that to be complete cheese. Better...I for one am simply not enticed to go buy it, on merits of the music alone. I probably WOULD buy it site unheard if it were with the original band, but I was a fan of that band, the guitar playing etc. This isn't GnR....commerically, its in trouble...I thought it might sell 1.5 mil, on the strength of its hardcore fans & a single or 2. What is a song that can save the album, commercially?
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COMMENT |
posted by : booch
12/10/2008 10:14:45 AM
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Velvet Revolver is better than Guns N Roses
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COMMENT | long in tooth
posted by : BSlash24
12/10/2008 10:18:40 AM
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great point, there are tons of great albums that didn't sell. So its commercial success does not indicate if its good or not. Its very hard to succeed on rock radio these days anyhow, only a handful of bands are given a pass...but GnR is one of them, rock radio is trying to get it off the ground, just like they did with Metallica. Metallica was given the pass when rock radio went mainly "alternative", they still ok Metallic($$ talks)....I personally thought an album like STP's last one was great, but radio dismissed it, label didn't promote, it went unheard. Chin Dom is on that crash course.
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COMMENT | DeadSkin Mask
posted by : pattonPwr
12/10/2008 10:20:44 AM
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u suck.
album rocks
f.u.k u
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/10/2008 10:20:55 AM
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"Velvet Revolver is better than Guns N Roses"
wow, those are some strong arguments you've got there!... -_-
I agree with BSlash24 & Long in the tooth: it's not ALL good songs, but there's some good stuff on there. You need to listen to the WHOLE album to make yourself an opinion.
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COMMENT | Doros 78
posted by : BSlash24
12/10/2008 10:21:11 AM
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If I buy a CD, I give it a chance, listen to it, usually don't buy a CD unless I'm pretty sure its going to be mostly quality, don't buy for one song...so with that in mind, if I "listen" to 3 or 4 songs of GnR's latest & its uninspiring, why should I delve in deeper? Cuz its Axl? He was the one that dismantled a great band, to me, he was becoming the missing link. he went solo, great, but rock me now!
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COMMENT | BEST BAND IN THE WORLD!!!
posted by : axlsfartsarefragrantblossoms
12/10/2008 10:26:14 AM
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3 guitarists AND 3 keyboarests!!! (=Pitman, Dizzy and W.A.R. playing masterful piano!)
can any cookie monster or numetal band beat that
I THINK NOT !!!
CHI-DEM STARTS NOW
= SET IN STONE
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COMMENT | I agree with.....
posted by : rous
12/10/2008 10:28:06 AM
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.....all that Powerage says. If you listen to UYI, you'll see that CD is the next logical progression musically. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
And deadskin mask, you ARE an idiot if you generalized all fans of this record. That's just ignorant.
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COMMENT | 3 guitarist & 3 keyboards
posted by : BSlash24
12/10/2008 10:32:11 AM
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that's just obsessive, overkill, off the mark, saturation, missing the point, beyond excessive....he's the Capt. Ahab of Rock, he's grinding a great thing into the ground for his disjointed vision. 3 keyboard, spare me all 3! I much enjoyed the "skin & Bones tour" with the 5 piece band over the Vegas act they took on tour to start the illusion tour, with 3 girl singers, and all the excessive trappings.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/10/2008 10:35:57 AM
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The album wasn't that good at all, better than Reload 2: Death Magnetic. But thats not saying much.
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COMMENT | ur mind is closed!!!
posted by : axlsfartsarefragrantblossoms
12/10/2008 10:36:05 AM
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Whats the matter with 3 keyboards???
Its a new innovation in rock !!!
u are stuck in the past
because Chi-Dem is so popular ,soon many bands will get 3 keyboardsts
ITS NOT 1988 ANYMORE!!!
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COMMENT |
posted by : BSlash24
12/10/2008 10:40:46 AM
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what does 3 keyboardist have to do with 2008, as a matter of fact, that is more like 1988. I exaggerated a bit, I'm not against keyboards, pianos on tracks, but THREE? Where's the innovation in that. I guess if you want the band to morph into Supertramp, or Starship, then go for it. To me, its a sign of a band that got bloated, even in 1993, not realizing its strengths...no, it didn't have to be like Ac/Dc & never grow or change sound, I'm all for innovation, but don't think 3 keyboardist is innovative. The 3 guitar army was done in 1979, Skynyrd & the Outlaws. There you go....keep layering the music, next album will sound like Yanni.
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COMMENT |
posted by : LALSTE
12/10/2008 10:41:22 AM
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I'm looking forward to Cuban Democracy in 2023 !!!
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COMMENT | ...
posted by : Golgotha
12/10/2008 10:42:44 AM
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I'm no big fan of GNR from earlier years, because I was too heavily into Metallica. Now, Metallica is back to ok, but I like this GNR album very much.
It's good music and to those idiots who say that it's industrial album..well, you haven't heard much of it have you? I think Axl pulls this off well, not perfect but a lot more interesting than many other rock/metal bands out there.
And remember twits...you know Axl through media...do you see how utterly idiotic that is?
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COMMENT | AAAHHH !!! ...
posted by :
12/10/2008 10:44:02 AM
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... WHAT A PLEASURE, THIS MUST BE A KILLER STAB IN THE BACK FOR AXL'S EGO, I GUESS A FULL G'N'R REUNION SHOULD BE ON THE WAY, NOT INTERESTED THO'.
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COMMENT | .
posted by : SalaciousCrumb
12/10/2008 10:46:19 AM
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"Hello, Gift Horse? It's me.... Axl."
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COMMENT | My humble opinion
posted by :
12/10/2008 10:47:25 AM
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Well, i got the Appetitte back in the 80`s at 15 and altought i was not a big fan of their use your illusion cd`s i always kept a secret respect for their music .
Right now i`m listening to IRS and i have to admit is a great song , yes this is a one man stand but i have to say that is an honest record with great music and arragements on it . Yes is not the GnR that many miss but is a great album anyway. I don`t care if it`s not selling that much (myself ,i`m not making money out of it) but remember Britney is still selling tons of cd`s and that`s crap music .
With the man some respect he`s a real artist .
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COMMENT |
posted by : diatribe13
12/10/2008 10:50:44 AM
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...it's called a recession...fucktards!!
...and the worst is yet to come...
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COMMENT | I can understand
posted by :
12/10/2008 10:51:44 AM
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someone like BSlash who says that he listened to 3-4 songs and don't to buy the album.
But, personnally, when i was younger, i loved to discover an album even though for example, i didn't like the single.
For example,when Motley Crue released MC94 with John Corabi, i was pissed that Vince wasn't on it and i didn't like Hooligan's holiday at all but i bought the album anyway and i took the time to listen to it, to discover it because personnaly, all the albums that i like the most took time to sink in. Anyhting i like right away is a sign for me that i will like this album but will be bored quickly with it. And MC94 became one of my favorite album.
It's the same thing with Chi-Dem when i heard the leaks, i was very sceptikal but i knew that those songs were something special so i gave them 3-4-5 chances because i knew that if i didn't like it at first was a good sign (it's not necessarily true for everything, i talk about band or band members that you already liked before so you can think that they done again something that could satisfy you, so you give it a chance).
So i think that you must invest time in an album to really discover it, to understand well what is going on, especially if the album is something special and ambitious like Chi-Dem is.
So where the time has gone when we, as music fan, would take the time to let an album grow on you instead of rejecting it at first or second listen.
I compare this to an albumof the 70. Can you imagine someone listening to Physical graffitti or Meddle or 2112 liking it right away? These albums must be listened many times because they're not easy to grasp in their entirety at first listen. In fact, it's impossible.
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COMMENT | U know!!!
posted by :
12/10/2008 10:51:55 AM
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Everyone is happy by this, me and the other diehards have the cd (finally) and are very happy with it, the haters are happy cause they can bash this record for not selling and sucking, the old school GnR are happy cause this will lead the way for a reunion in the near future and all the people who dont care either way have a Free Dr. Pepper!!!
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COMMENT | Anyone else find it ironic...
posted by : You Don't Know Me
12/10/2008 10:52:02 AM
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that there was more touring behind the album for release dates that were never met then there was for the actual release of the album?
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COMMENT | pattonPwr
posted by :
12/10/2008 10:53:34 AM
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Pretty much the type of response I have come to expect from Axl Fanboys.
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COMMENT |
posted by : RiotAct666
12/10/2008 10:56:18 AM
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Chi Dem is a good album.
To each their own.
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COMMENT | le.dieu
posted by : BSlash24
12/10/2008 10:58:02 AM
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agree 100%. many of the great albums, like Zep, they grow on you, you need to listen a few times & I'm not knocking Axl's album, at all...well, except street of dreams. I haven't had the chance to get it & honest, from what I heard, wasn't that inspired to run out. I'm less of a Axl fan, more of a GnR fan. he was a big piece of that puzzle, but to me, only a piece....innovative, that can be argued. I don't think over producing & adding a ton of musicians is innovations, rock history shows that over indulgence & over scrutinizing rock music can make it sterile, but not all the time I suppose. The GnR I loved was what put them on the map, including the Illusion CDs which I thought were great. (though Nov. Rain was cheese to me). anyhow, its all subjective...except the commercial aspect of it, which is interesting...and someone mentioned, economic recession may have a play in this as well.
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COMMENT | sure Skynard had 3 guitarists
posted by : axlsfartsarefragrantblossoms
12/10/2008 10:58:22 AM
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but actually Chi-dem has FIVE guitarists!
THREE keyboardists !!!
TWO drummers !!!
its almost like an orchestra
W.A.R. HAS INVENTED A ROCK ORCHESTRA !!!
hes a geneius and you people just cant understand him
how could more instrumetns be bad ???
MORE INSTRUMENTS = MORE MUSIC
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COMMENT | you have to listen to it a few times
posted by : meanvenusj
12/10/2008 11:01:28 AM
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after one listen i was kind of in the same boat as many of you...just kind of ho-hum about it...perplexed by much of the odd arrangements too...after about three listens all the way through though i started to grasp it better and couldnt get melodies out of my head..would wake up with them incessantly in my head...to all 14 songs too by the way...after about ten listens i really can diget all its many layers...shit buried until the fifth listen (e.g. feint whistling beneath verse in SORRY)...definitely one of my favorite albums of all time now...just cant go into it all biased or you definitely wont like it...if you are open-minded and just listen to it for what it is (and dont think about backstory or drama or statistics)--just listen to it as music and sound, you will get a tremendous amount out of it...listen to it three times all the way through and you will be a liar if you say the melodies dont take over your subconscious mind...i am sure you have better things to do right?
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COMMENT | axlsfartsarefragrantblossoms
posted by :
12/10/2008 11:02:02 AM
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Stop It! You're Killing me!
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COMMENT | axl fart
posted by : BSlash24
12/10/2008 11:06:37 AM
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ok, you point out the muliple band members, not to mention there are TONS of players on the album, which totally shows its not a band effort, but a solo project...but fine, but now point out where the innovation is? What is innovative about it? The song writing? the production? Cite an example of this genius. His genius? This was 14 YEARS in the making, it should be beyond innovative, if he's a genius. What song would you point out as genius...I loved Axl Rose when they came out, he rocked. Genius, wow. He was a great performer(to start, he became a clown on Illusions tour), Good song writer/lyricist, some what inventive, pushing the envelope some for a hard rock band, but nothing beyond say a Zep...what is Axl's tour de force on this album?
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COMMENT | Chinese Democracy =
posted by :
12/10/2008 11:13:26 AM
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But it's been
14 years of silence
It's been
14 years of pain
It's been
14 years that are gone forever
And I'll never have again
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COMMENT | Axl Fart
posted by : BSlash24
12/10/2008 11:20:42 AM
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you need a serious history lesson in rock as well. The Beatle used orchestras, ELO was completely about being a rock orchestra....it may not be 1988, but what made this band so appealing was that it WAS striped down, raw, real, kick you in the teeth rock, & most importantly, THEY wrote great songs. They had all the elements of a classic hard rock band. and they were complacent, they grew on Illusions. Experimented. Axl had further visions that he thought went beyond the scope of that lineup(I don't hear that, just more production)...he should have left that great band, that made everyone that was into GnR in the first place, and done a true solo album to get that out of his system. He didn't realize he had something already that was pure gold. Reading on him, which I'm sure you have, his ego was one of rock's biggest. That ego can help you to be great, an A type personality, do JUST what he wants, record company's bow to him...but that ego can also get in the way. He thought he was the show. He wasn't. His whole band quit or was fired. Same with next group of guys, like Buckethead, gone...now you better produce a stellar album.
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COMMENT | BSlash
posted by :
12/10/2008 11:22:05 AM
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"what is Axl's tour de force on this album?"
I'll try to respond to that.
I think that structures of many songs are very special on this as you don't have the verse chorus verse chorus type of things. And there's a lot if variations in one song.
In a song, you always have occasion to build a bridge that leads you somewhere else and i think that on Chi-Dem, it's very well done. It can be from the core of the songs or a melody line or any instrument part. I think Axl did everything he could to make those songs begin at a point and leads you to another and another one.
There's some amazing song like for example Fearless from Pink Floyd. But this song keep the same rythmn troughout and don't take those bridges that could lead you elsewhere. A song like Street of dreams do that. (Fearless is still an amazing song anyway).
Even a simple vocal line like on This i love change the atmosphere of what the music plays behind. In that performance Axl, while the rythmn behing stays the same, varies the intensity of his voice and vocal melodies.
That's what Chi-Dem is to me. You have many layers that lead the songs to other places, like you have almost 3 songs in some songs of the album. There are always a guitar lick, piano, orchestra adding something very subtil that you discover with repetitve listen.
Si i think that is Chi-Dem tour de force. That when a window of opportunity to take the song to another level, that chance is taken and that is very rare.
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COMMENT | le.dieu
posted by : BSlash24
12/10/2008 11:24:55 AM
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well said...and fearless is great. Floyd is a great example of a band that used production to its best, used all the innovations of the time to their best. But they could also be very simplistic(Fearless)...bottom line, they wrote great songs. Great songs shine in nearly any form, demo version, and produced.
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COMMENT | le.dieu
posted by :
12/10/2008 11:34:35 AM
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I gotta say, good call on Fearless. Meddle has always been one of my favorite Floyd albums.
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COMMENT | predictable
posted by : AsUsual
12/10/2008 11:36:18 AM
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i love how the axl groupies are saying that if you don't like it you are not intelligent enough and don't get the "artsy" thing.
And the reason he's not promoting it, is that it takes guts to stand to a total failure like this. He's at home counting the guaranteed $$$ from best buy and thinking who or what else he can rip off.
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COMMENT | SSlash and DeadSkin Mask
posted by :
12/10/2008 11:38:54 AM
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Thanks.
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COMMENT | WakeUpDead
posted by :
12/10/2008 11:41:43 AM
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Well, it's respectable.
At least, you don't say: I hate it because he took the G n' R name or i hate it because the old band isn't there.
If you judge it for its musical merits, that's the important thing.
And i still can understand how people can be pissed that it's under the G n' R name.
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COMMENT |
posted by : TheGreyArea
12/10/2008 11:46:27 AM
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ha haa! fuck the article! ... this THREAD great reading!
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/10/2008 11:50:31 AM
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COMMENT | .
posted by : SalaciousCrumb
12/10/2008 10:46:19 AM
"Hello, Gift Horse? It's me.... Axl."
=======================
LMAO this comment just made my day
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COMMENT | Joke Time
posted by :
12/10/2008 11:51:06 AM
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"Chinese Democracy"'s relative lack of promotion rests at the feet of Axl Rose. THe album still would've sucked and bombed even if Axl did promote it!
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/10/2008 11:52:13 AM
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+ 1 for WakeUpDead, at least you gave it a try. If you don't like it, it's no big deal because you made your own opinion about the CD.
There's a thing all of us should keep in mind while listening to this album: Guns N Roses 1987 is dead. Just like Metallica '86 is dead or AC/DC '80 is dead,... I could go on for hours, those bands have moved on in a different direction, and they couldn't give a fuck if a 100 blabbermouth-people spill their hate on their latest release... It's just different music overall.
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COMMENT | and by the way it is #1 globally
posted by : meanvenusj
12/10/2008 11:55:33 AM
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http://www.mediatraffic.de/
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COMMENT |
posted by : FAILURE
12/10/2008 12:00:10 PM
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Hey Slash, you should expect a phone call from a sobbing Axl any day now, talking about:
"Hey bro (sniff sniff) your band still need a vocalist?"
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COMMENT | Wow
posted by :
12/10/2008 12:01:22 PM
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A couple of simple things would have made this different. If Axl had of not used the GNR name, and had he done any kind of press at all, it would have made a huge difference in this album. Guns N' Roses lost it's feel when they fired Adler. The band hasn't sounded the same since. I'd lay down money that if the original line up sat down and recorded just one song, it'd ousell anything out htere today. Chinese Democracy is an Axl solo album and it wouldn't be so bad if it were called that in the first place.
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COMMENT | powerage
posted by : BSlash24
12/10/2008 12:03:52 PM
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I for one will not listen to this Chin Dem hoping to get GnR 1987 or 1991. GnR moved on. It can't even sound the same, he's the only member, scratch that, he's not a member, he's on his own island, so it must be listened to as an Axl project. If he even kept a band after 2002 together, you could call it a band, but that's not even the case. axl has cited Steely Dan as reference for what he's doing, they had more continuity. All this is, is an album that is completely under the control of Axl Rose, & he calls it GnR....AC/DC has NEVER changed directions, but that is them. God Bless them, but if all bands did that it would get boring. (personally, I think they have gone bland since 1980, but that's for another blog).
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COMMENT | axlsfartsarefragrantblossoms
posted by : DownShine99
12/10/2008 12:15:25 PM
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just went to billboard.com and chi-dem is no. 3
dont know where u get your info cuz its not number one, maybe only in the rock section.
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COMMENT | Stodds
posted by : BSlash24
12/10/2008 12:28:05 PM
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I agree with you completely. I understand his use of the name GnR, it sells, just like Queen now, or a million examples. There is even a "Thin Lizzy" out touring now, that has NO original members, never mind no Phil Lynott. That's a tribute band...There's one core GnR, why else did you like them to start, just axl? He's the genius behind GnR originally. Axl had many strengths. Without him, GnR would have been a Slash's Snakepit, rippin', straight ahead, but probably not much growth. (I love the Snakepit CDs for what they are)...but Axl without them you're losing alot. They kept him in check, the rock & riff to his Grand illusions. his larger out of the box thinking helped them grow, but finally, there was no compromise. Can we agree he was so power hungry he did things that hurt bands, but physically, & musically. Adding Paul Huges Guitar over Slash's on Sympathy for the Devil. Over analysising. While progression, evolution is great to keep a band from stagnating, he also didn't realize a strength WAS a song like Its so Easy, that was just laid down, ripping, in your face. You're Crazy on Lie, like one or 2 takes, done, its perfect for its rawness. it was the best of both worlds, he's missing that now.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/10/2008 12:40:48 PM
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Honestly it is not a bad album, I think we are just too picky. I don't think Axl actually gives a shit about what we think anyway. I read an article somewhere with Sebastian Bach a while back where Bach comments that he was talking to Axl trying to convince him to do a reality show for a cool million dollars. Axl supposedly looked back at Bach and said something like... you don't get it do you? I pay two million dollars so they leave me alone.
I thought that was an interesting look into one of the most intriguing characters of commercial rock of all time.
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COMMENT | he thought we didn't notice
posted by : AsUsual
12/10/2008 12:52:09 PM
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"Adding Paul Huges Guitar over Slash's on Sympathy for the Devil."
this was sacrilege. How much you can piss on your co-workers (I bet they were never considered friends) like that and get away with it?
I mean you didn't add Eddie Van Halen's guitar or Vai's or Satriani's, you added fucking ass kisser Paul Huge or whatever the retard is called.
Have no idea how someone in their right brain (so not the axl groupies) can justify that, imagine you experience something like that in your workplace.
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COMMENT | axl
posted by : BSlash24
12/10/2008 12:54:01 PM
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that I like about Axl, he wants to create, be left alone. Its a weird twist to one of rock's biggest names, he's pretty much left the scene & wants to do what he wants to do. Very cool in this day of over exposure, selling out, he went in the other direction...put it this way, Axl can create without Slash, do as he pleases, he can make music without Slash & Co, but GnR can't.
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COMMENT | Huge
posted by : BSlash24
12/10/2008 12:57:57 PM
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I can only image Axl was going out of his way to change things, if not make it so uninviting to Slash & others that they couldn't stay...which is exactly what happened. Its like saying "I'm going to force this in another direction", & Huge was some hack, its not even like a techician like Buckethead. Its like your girlfriend taking on another boyfriend in YOUR house! take Huge & do your solo album...btw, just heard "Better" on the radio. Not bad, ambitious, lots going on...but I wasn't thinking "wow, that was amazing!'....Meddle is a great album btw!
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COMMENT | stop wanting a reunion!!!
posted by :
12/10/2008 1:05:36 PM
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why the fuck would Izzy, Slash, Duff and Matt want to go back and play under the name Guns n' Roses now???? itd be embarrassing for them to play the 'new' material..itd be like adjusting your standards to a much lower level..
i dont want a GnR reunion..axhole has fucked up the GnR name by releasing this chinese democracy shit
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COMMENT |
posted by : AsUsual
12/10/2008 1:06:06 PM
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"I can only image Axl was going out of his way to change things, if not make it so uninviting to Slash & others that they couldn't stay...which is exactly what happened."
Not pretty smart if you ask me, at that point he had already the name (the others signed it off around 92-93) and could have simply said it plain. But I guess the sadistic will to torture the inferiors was stronger.
And don't buy this "mighty" strategy of not showing up, it's not image-savy, it's simpy that he's embarassed. He probably thought he could sell 3 million copies in the first week. He would have shown up his face then, not now.
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COMMENT | reunion
posted by : BSlash24
12/10/2008 1:14:19 PM
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its not a reunion I'm asking for. I'm pointing out Axl dismantled a classic, strong armed to get the name, tinkered with the likes of Paul Huge for year, redid things....he could have been releasing material for year, & still done his solo album with this vision. If he were truly in a band, a semi democracy, no members would wait 14 years. That's creating for yourself in your studio. As a fan, what fun is that?...A reunion now, would be fun, but they let their creative prime, or Axl did, slip away. Axl's 46. Rock history shows no one creates rock magic at that age.
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COMMENT | reunion
posted by : BSlash24
12/10/2008 1:17:19 PM
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if they reunited, there wouldn't be a chance in hell they'd perform Chin Dem material. Like asking VH & Roth to perform "Dreams" or some corny song like that. I'm not banking on a reunion.
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COMMENT | Old Guns
posted by :
12/10/2008 1:39:27 PM
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Ok now that he figured that he suxxx alone and now that velvet revolver figured that they suxx without a good singer.
Can we now have a real reunion Guns N roses please.
God.
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COMMENT | Hmmm...
posted by :
12/10/2008 1:44:30 PM
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Blabbermouth neglect to post an article about this album in fact being a WORLDWIDE #1.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
12/10/2008 2:16:51 PM
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no doubt it dropped album fuckin sucks thought it wuld get better second listen what a waste of $14.00 hopefully Axle will realise that he can't do it on his one do a two year reunion tour then ride off into the sunset
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COMMENT | Still too many sales to count!
posted by :
12/10/2008 2:59:10 PM
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Just as "St Anger" proved - as long as you build anticipation enough and you promote something the american public will buy it like drones.
At least seems that people are finally catching up that this album is sh*t and the sales figures are starting to reflect reality!
I still think they sold way too many copies of this thing - I imagined only the producers and engineers that worked on this album would buy one for their collection and that will be it, well maybe they did and considering how many of them were on this record probably that marks the high sales figures :)
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COMMENT | no promotion?
posted by :
12/10/2008 3:06:22 PM
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no talk show performances?
no touring?
no nothing?
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COMMENT | AX Has no one to blame but himself
posted by : josh1982fla
12/10/2008 3:20:06 PM
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I tried to like thew album,I listened to it at least 20 times and it's just a huge let down... I at least thought i would get a decent rock/hard rock album.... Guess we will have to wait till 2020 to see what garbage AXL can come up with.
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COMMENT | DeadSkinMask
posted by :
12/10/2008 3:22:46 PM
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is a douche stuck in 80s thrash land
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COMMENT | Hell YEAH!
posted by :
12/10/2008 3:33:26 PM
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Kudos to aquanet&spandex - I couldn't have said it better myself!
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COMMENT | Promotion
posted by : BSlash24
12/10/2008 3:57:59 PM
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seems other than touring Axl's never been one for too much promotion, occasional interview with Kurt Loder, but not being in a band, he is the only one to do it now. Slash & Co would do the rockline shows, many times w/out him...he's also at odds with his label/management now. Someone mentioned there's a rumor the record was released cuz Geffen found a loop hole, or speculation? I read too in the past he's lost lots of confidence & bad reviews really upset him. Have others heard he pulled the plug early on 2002 tour after getting bad reviews at the NY Madison Sq. Garden show, & he stayed in his hotel & wouldn't go to Philly, then cancelled tour.
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COMMENT | BELIEVE ME..
posted by :
12/10/2008 3:59:40 PM
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I'd be the first person to say if something's shite..There's way too much bad music going around..This album, save for a few tracks, will not immediately jump out at you..But trust me, if you give it 4 or 5 spins, it starts to really grow on you and the songs develop a more natural flow..As for some of the songs being industrial, I don't mind..I like Rob Zombie, some Ministry, KFD by Wasp, and some of the tunes off of Halford's Two project, so industrial doesn't throw me for a loop..In my opinion, the album's great..sounds like classic G N R in spots with a modern edge..
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COMMENT | Album is good...people are sheep
posted by :
12/10/2008 4:04:52 PM
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GNR fans like me ,and possibly Axl himself, are part of the 5% nation. This explains the low album sales IMO. I would have liked to see a better comeback for Axl, and if he didn't go AWOL it might have been, but what happened dosen't surprise me as most people prefer to be spoon fed their entertainment and told what rocks and what doesn’t. Read on free thinkers.
Origin of Five-Percent title
Five Percenters teach that Black people specifically, and the entire world population more generally, can be divided into three groups:
The 85%, easily led in the wrong direction hard to be led in the right direction, who are the humble masses, mentally deaf, dumb, and blind to the truth about themselves and the world in which they live.
The 10%, who understand much of the truth but use it to their advantage to keep the 85% under their control through religion, politics, entertainment, economics, and other methods.
The 5%, who are the enlightened divine beings, the poor righteous teachers, having repossessed knowledge of the truth regarding the foundations of life and of oneself, and seek to liberate the 85% through education.
The percentages presented, according to most Five Percenters, are not meant to be exact but are instead meant to represent the public, the religious and political rulers, and the few truly enlightened people on earth, respectively. The numbers used point out common traits to identify the members of these three groups and can be fully understood using the language of Supreme Mathematics.
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COMMENT | My impression of Chi Dem
posted by :
12/10/2008 4:06:07 PM
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Wah wah some chick broke my heart, and I'm a big pussy !!!! wah wah.
I have 17 different musicians for this disc, but 95 % of the live songs (when I actually show up for a gig) is from the real line up.
FUCK AXL............. I guarantee, that if the "Axl Rose Revue" does tour, they will play all of the real GNR, and maybe 2 songs off of this POS.
*****************TRUE*******************************
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COMMENT |
posted by : BSlash24
12/10/2008 4:14:47 PM
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you're a sheep, blanket statement, if you DON"T like the album?!I suppose you could make the argument both ways. Its subjective. Its not fact. (well, to some it may be).
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COMMENT | .
posted by :
12/10/2008 4:40:18 PM
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Man, I'm late to this party! anywho..... http://img2.abload.de/img/simpsons_nelson_haha2uwr.jpg
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COMMENT | No surprise
posted by :
12/10/2008 5:11:30 PM
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Axl's the biggest tool in the shed.He takes 15 years to make a record,and then dosent want to promote it? Hopefully,Geffen or whoever his contract is with cancels him.I hope he ends broke,living on skid row and sucking dick for cigarette money.
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COMMENT | MEGLA FLOP
posted by :
12/10/2008 5:19:14 PM
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COMMENT | Get over it...
posted by :
12/10/2008 7:41:18 PM
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It's a good album, not great...and certainly not bad.
I personally like the first 5 songs along with RnB. And LOVE "If the World."
It is Guns N' Roses... Axl was and is that group.
I don't like enough Velvet Revolver songs to equal that lot I mentioned above.
Also, I'm soooo tired of hearing that this isn't GnR. I mean, come on, anyone with solid guitar skills can do what slash does, but I don't know of anyone who can sing like Axl.
Would it be great if the Original (or everyone but Adler) got back together, sure...that would be sweet. But only if they actually made a new studio album, I hate when groups get together just to tour.
Anyway, at first listen, I didn't like the album much. However, after many more spins, I like a lot. I'm not a fan of the last 3 at all, but the rest is good enough and the first 5 I think are very good.
It just takes time to get used to it. Also, they haven't released any videos yet, I'm guessing album sales will spike when they do.
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COMMENT | Best Buy was a mistake
posted by :
12/10/2008 7:41:40 PM
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Best Buy was a mistake. The Record Company screwed the pooch!
I have heard it...it is a good album...not a great album....I want to own it but Best Buy is a little out of the way. If they are doing something like this they should have done Wal Mart 6,000 stores compared to 2,000 Best Buy stores or a proper full release.
His First week sales would have beat Kayne West if it was not a Best Buy only deal.
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COMMENT | .
posted by :
12/10/2008 8:40:53 PM
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COMMENT | Get over it...
posted by : 777twist
12/10/2008 7:41:18 PM
It's a good album,
I stopped reading right about there......
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COMMENT | I'm surprised it sold that much...
posted by :
12/10/2008 9:51:18 PM
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it's a HORRIBLE album! So wimpy and ballady, it makes the Backstreet Boys sound like Slayer.
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COMMENT | "KEEPS ON LAUGHING"
posted by : Polimar
12/10/2008 10:07:24 PM
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That's what happens to FAKES.
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COMMENT | 640'000 globally HAHAHAHAHAHA!
posted by : Polimar
12/10/2008 10:22:36 PM
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Death Magnetic: 490.000 IN THREE DAYS, ONLY IN THE USA.
Chinese Wankery=EPIC FAILURE.
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COMMENT | meh...
posted by : robato
12/10/2008 10:30:06 PM
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I only liked the first GnR album anyway.
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COMMENT | LOL 2 million 2 Weeks
posted by :
12/10/2008 11:05:50 PM
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zimzumm Own Up 2 That U Fucken Idiot!!!! NOSTRADUMDASS!!!! U Will Probably Pop Up @ A Metallica Thread With Some More Bullshit!!!! zimzumm=balladgirl!!!!
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COMMENT | well balladgirl
posted by :
12/10/2008 11:59:55 PM
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r u crying like the little bitch u r. spew somemore shit outta ur ass, YOUR LUCK RUNS OUTTAHH!!!!
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COMMENT | Hey Adam West
posted by :
12/11/2008 12:27:52 AM
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Axl's next CD is going to be aptly named Back To The Batcave
Song List
Joker is a Pipe Smoker
BatCave Blitzcrieg
Battries to Power,Catwomen on your Knees
Riddler Stomp
Bookworm Bong Water
Batmobile Skidmarks
Batpole Blues
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posted by : RiotAct666_
12/11/2008 2:51:40 AM
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Great album, i bought 14 copies, as soon as the world tour starts Axl gonna sell billions of this masterpiece.
CHINESE DEMOCRASY STARTS NOOOOOOOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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COMMENT | gee and where is zimzum...
posted by : josh1982fla
12/12/2008 5:15:27 AM
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oh this album will destroy metallica's DM in Sales and it;s an even bigger flop.... Not that DM is a great album but still a hell of a lot better then this crap AXL put out
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