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OZZY OSBOURNE Sues TONY IOMMI Over Ownership Of BLACK SABBATH Name
- May 29, 2009
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According to the New York Post, Ozzy Osbourne has filed a lawsuit against his BLACK SABBATH bandmate Tony Iommi, claiming that Iommi illegally took sole ownership of the band's name in a filing with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. Osbourne is suing Iommi for a 50 percent interest in the "Black Sabbath" trademark, along with a portion of Iommi's profits from use of the name. The Manhattan federal court suit also charges that Osbourne's "signature lead vocals" are largely responsible for the band's "extraordinary success," noting that its popularity plummeted during his absence from 1980 through 1996. Ozzy's suit follows one filed by Iommi in December 2008 against Live Nation. In that filing, Iommi claims the concert giant sold merchandise bearing the band's logo, despite the 2006 expiration of a merchandising deal, reportedly worth nearly $80 million. Soon after that agreement concluded, Iommi reclaimed the band's trademark. Iommi's suit argues Live Nation continued to sell more than 100 items of merchandise featuring the band's likeness, name and logo, despite the receipt of cease-and-desist orders from the guitarist's camp. Iommi's suit seeks damages in the amount of three times the profits from the merchandise sales, plus a halt to the BLACK SABBATH product sales. Iommi and Geezer Butler have both said some less than kind things about working with Osbourne in a new interview with Decibel magazine. The pair recently completed a new studio album as HEAVEN & HELL, the post- Ozzy version of SABBATH featuring vocalist Ronnie James Dio, and Butler said that working with Dio was much easier than Osbourne. He explained, " Ronnie's a songwriter in his own right — he's got tons of ideas. Whereas Ozzy . . . in the old days, he'd come up with a vocal line and I'd write the lyrics. Ronnie is 100 percent involved in both the musical side and the vocal side, and he writes his own lyrics as well." Butler added that Osbourne didn't take him seriously as a songwriter, saying, "If we were with Ozzy and I came in with the killer riff of all time, Ozzy wouldn't even think of doing it because I'm not the guitarist and that's the way he thinks . . . That's why it was so bloody hard to write anything." Butler said about HEAVEN & HELL's debut CD, "The Devil You Know", "If we'd written this album with Ozzy, we'd still be working on the first track." Iommi added that there was a sharp difference between the singers live as well, saying, "It was great being with Ozzy on the road . . . but with Ronnie it's a lot different, because we go out and we know exactly what we're gonna be doing. With Ozzy, we didn't really know. It was touch and go sometimes on some of those early shows, whether he was gonna turn up, if he'd be able to sing, if his voice was gone, or what. We'd have to cancel shows, which Geezer and myself really hated. But with Ronnie, we've never canceled a show." HEAVEN & HELL will tour Europe later this spring and summer, with North American dates scheduled for August. Ozzy Osbourne is currently working on his next solo album. Tony Iommi's filing with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office:  BLACK SABBATH "reunion" promotional photo (1999):  BLACK SABBATH live in 2005:
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COMMENT | Oh shit!
posted by : typeodude 5/29/2009 9:29:09 AM
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Here it comes...this will get very interesting!
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COMMENT | Yeah right!
posted by : 5/29/2009 9:30:13 AM
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The title of the article should read "Sharon Osbourne using Ozzy as a puppet sues Tony Iommi over ownership over Black Sabbath name" Complete bullshit.
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COMMENT |
posted by : 5/29/2009 9:31:21 AM
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Running out of money Sharon?
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posted by : Aces_High99 5/29/2009 9:32:02 AM
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This is FUCKED.
What about Geezer?? What about Bill??
Shit, if anything, Ozzy deserves LESS than 25% of the credit if it comes down to the original four.
He had a great voice back in the '70s, but he wrote next to nothing. He would be a nobody if he hadn't hooked up with three musical geniuses who did all the WRITING for him.
Pathetic. Guess I'm lucky I saw the original lineup back in 2004 and 2005, 'cuz they will never get together again after this debacle.
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COMMENT | What an Asshole
posted by : Scream Bloody Gore 5/29/2009 9:32:03 AM
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I always had a feeling that deep down John Osbourne was a low class person. Thus the prove.
\m/Dio Sabbath\m/
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posted by : booch 5/29/2009 9:33:25 AM
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uh oh - gonna get ugly...
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posted by : Aces_High99 5/29/2009 9:33:37 AM
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Well of course $auron Osbourne is behind all this.
If Ozzy wasn't braindead from decades of substance abuse, or was a real man with an ounce of pride left, he would put an end to this.
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COMMENT | Baaaahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa
posted by : 5/29/2009 9:33:44 AM
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I hope Tony wins so they can call H&H - BLACK SABBATH again. Didn't Geezer & Tony come up with the name anyways?
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COMMENT | I hope you die sharon
posted by : 5/29/2009 9:35:43 AM
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I hope you die and leave the rock music world alone.
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COMMENT | so the new tv show didn't work out...
posted by : darthadv 5/29/2009 9:35:55 AM
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... guess we need to milk the BS machine, eh?
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COMMENT | sharons at it again
posted by : 5/29/2009 9:36:39 AM
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This is crazy i think its sharon in for a money grab i respect all members of the band but not sharon, heaven and hell getting some props for a good record so she needs to get her fingers in there
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COMMENT | Anybody remember that Live and Loud Video?
posted by : 5/29/2009 9:37:17 AM
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Where Ozzy says Tony always wanted the (Black Sabbath) name, and now he has it,.....and he's welcome to it??
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COMMENT |
posted by : Aces_High99 5/29/2009 9:38:38 AM
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The name "Black Sabbath" comes from an old Boris Karloff horror film, if I remember correctly.
And yeah, it was either Tony or Geezer who suggested its use.
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COMMENT | Tony could have called H&H Sabbath if he wanted to.
posted by : THRASHMONGER 5/29/2009 9:39:23 AM
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I just wonder of they'd be suing if their new variety show hadn't tanked?
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COMMENT | That sucks
posted by : Droogie_Will 5/29/2009 9:40:12 AM
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I was looking forward to another Sabbath reunion. Doesn't look likely now.
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posted by : Aces_High99 5/29/2009 9:40:35 AM
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Considering that Tony is the only person to stay in the band the entire time, I think he's earned the right to use it.
Ozzy only sings on approximately half of all Sabbath albums anyway...maybe even slightly less than half.
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COMMENT | Oh well, here we go - 1980's all over again!
posted by : shattered73 5/29/2009 9:41:01 AM
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Basically it's a pathetic last-ditch effort by Ozzy to fuck with his 'old friends'. He's strung them along for years now and they finally decided to do something with Dio and it's working and he doesn't like it.
He treats these guys like an insecure ex-girlfriend. Strings them along while he does whatever he wants (awful solo albums, awful reality shows, etc.) but as soon as the girl finds someone else and is happy he's suddenly interested and wants her back (hence all the 'new Black Sabbath album next year' bullshit).
And turns out they don't want him back because having worked with a real singer it's opened their eyes to what a douchebag he's been.
I love Ozzy, and I love old Black Sabbath, but if you can't do something worthy of the past glory - which at this point they can't ("Psycho Man," anyone?) they should leave it alone. With Dio they can do music and live shows worthy of their legacy. Go with it!
And what is he suing over? Iommi and friends HAVE NOT been using the Black Sabbath name, they call themselves Heaven and Hell. Iommi must have copyrighted the name in the 80's when no one else from the original line-up was there.
The fact is, Ozzy left or was fired and was no doubt bought out from using the name Black Sabbath. And Tony (or myself) can produce plenty of 80's/90's interviews with Ozzy saying 'Tony wanted to own Black Sabbath and now he does, good luck to him, I don't want any part of it' or words to that effect.
And furthermore, shouldn't the lawsuit be for 25% of the name? Do Geezer and Bill not figure into this?
This is pathetic and a bad business decision because if there was EVER a chance of Ozzy doing anything with Black Sabbath again he's just killed it out of spite. Time heals all wounds, but none of these guys (especially not Ozzy) has another 16 years to wait.
Meanwhile, I say Tony should win the lawsuit and then start calling Heaven and Hell and re-issue 'Devil You Know' as a Black Sabbath album as a final fuck you to Ozzy and Sharon.
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COMMENT | The big question of this lawsuit is....
posted by : rollins 5/29/2009 9:41:07 AM
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When does Sharon tell Ozzy what she's done to poor Tony?
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COMMENT |
posted by : Aces_High99 5/29/2009 9:44:32 AM
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It's pretty well-known that Ozzy and Dio hate each other, and that's what this is all about.
Ozzy and $auron are enraged that Heaven and Hell are doing so well, while Ozzy is an antique with a drunken barbarian biker-wannabe for a guitarist who can't hack it live anymore.
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COMMENT |
posted by : 5/29/2009 9:47:54 AM
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Screw off, Ozzy - go do another cellphone commercial.
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COMMENT | true
posted by : zombi3 5/29/2009 9:48:34 AM
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"I hope Tony wins so they can call H&H - BLACK SABBATH again"
i hope so too dude.Fuck ozzy his skills are lacking.DIO is king
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COMMENT | I meant...
posted by : shattered73 5/29/2009 9:48:43 AM
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I meant Tony should win the lawsuit and then start calling Heaven and Hell Black Sabbath as a final fuck you.
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COMMENT | f u sharon
posted by : 5/29/2009 9:49:29 AM
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I do wish Sharon Osbourne would die
Dio > Ozzy
You know it's true
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COMMENT | the 3 sabbath/H&H guys
posted by : rous 5/29/2009 9:53:31 AM
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unfortunately, started this in the media though. Ozzy had no choice but to retaliate in some way after they raked him over the coals in those interviews. They are just as much backstabbers as anyone else. When they're with Ozzy, he's the shit. When they're with Dio, he's the best. Fucking playground bullshit.
Maybe it is Sharon, and I hate her as much as anyone, but as his manager/boss/wife/whatever, she has a responsibility to keep their business profitable.
I also don't get why it's 50/50 and not 25/25/25/25. That makes no sense.
He is probably just making sure they don't use the name Black Sabbath with Dio, and that's all. Or if they do, they shall pay through the nose for it.
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COMMENT | oh no no
posted by : rasdeth 5/29/2009 9:54:19 AM
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this sadnes me to read. Don´t do it Ozzy. Now we´ll never see the "old" Black Sabbath together on stage again. If Iommy loses/wins he´ll never share a stage with you again.
Black Sabbath is now history!!!
Now I´ll have a grave beer.
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COMMENT | Maybe not such a good idea
posted by : 5/29/2009 9:56:51 AM
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to publicly display Tony Iommi's home address on Blabbermouth, huh?
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COMMENT | OZZY USED TO BE COOL .. NOW HE'S A SHARON-PUPPET
posted by : ballbustr 5/29/2009 9:58:15 AM
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The Prince of Darkness doesn't sue. The Prince of Darkness doesn;t make an ass out of himself on reality tv. The Prince of Darkness used to rock.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PRINCE OF DARKNESS!?!
Oh yeah, he married a selfish, publicity-hungry beeyotch who bronzed his testicles and hung them on the wall, never to be used again.
A lawsuit - c'mon Ozzy. You can't even say (or spell) lawsuit.
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COMMENT | Dio
posted by : 5/29/2009 10:04:12 AM
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the Dio Sabbath blows the ozzy sabbath away!in fact any version of sabbath without ozzy is better than than the one with him.you can tell by the sound of Iommi's guitar it's a sabbath record no matter who is singing.I love ozzy's solo stuff but he in no way is sabbath like Tony is.it's pretty sad when your legacy is going to be a awful tv show and commercials making fun of yourself instead of the great music you once made. thanks for destroying that sharon!
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COMMENT | shattered73
posted by : 5/29/2009 10:06:14 AM
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Oh yeah dude... I would love it if they re-issued The Devil You Know as a Black Sabbath album. Hell, I edited the information in my iTunes so it's in the iPod as Black Sabbath, and this link has the cover art adjusted so it looks like it rightfully should: http://www.black-sabbath.com/news/2009/03/the_devil_you_know_cover_art_u.html
This is a real dick move on Ozzy's part. What the hell does Sharon want? To have Ozzy front a band with anyone who isn't Tony Iommi and call it Sabbath would be retarded.
Tony owns the name. Get over it. Don't be a dick.
This makes me remember a story my Uncle Jimmy told me years ago about when he went to OzzFest and it was one of the first times that Black Sabbath was headlining. There was all this hype and whatever because it was BLACK SABBATH! He said he was disappointed and said "What the fuck? Where's Dio?" The last he'd thought about Black Sabbath, it was with Dio.
That 40-year anniversary is fast approaching. It'll be really sad if this fucks that up in any way... Bullshit like this is for the Eagles. Not Sabbath...
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COMMENT | well....
posted by : sonderkommando 5/29/2009 10:07:29 AM
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i guess sharon needs some more plastic surgery. tony has kept the "black sabbath" name alive for years. he deserves to keep it. ozzy can generate enough money from his own name. this is just sad.
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posted by : 5/29/2009 10:14:52 AM
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Fuck ozzy and all wannabe bikers. The real Black Sabbath is on the road now and doing well. Sharon should be egged.
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COMMENT | houseofGod
posted by : 5/29/2009 10:16:35 AM
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agree with ya there. i personally liked sabbath with ozzy better but none the less this just sucks. too bad they all cant just leave well enough alone.
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COMMENT | unbelivable
posted by : 5/29/2009 10:18:56 AM
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Tony has kept this band going and never gave up on it which he has earned my eternal (idol) gratitude. Just a fucking bunch of shit!!! H & H is the shit and Ozz is nothing short of a Hollywood bafoon. This is the last straw for me John and Sharon,. please won't the both of you go suck a dick.
Dio Sabbath!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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COMMENT |
posted by : 5/29/2009 10:19:08 AM
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And what would Ozzy do with the name if he won it? Have that fruit from Faith no more on drums, the wannabe biker on guitar and Blasko on bass and call it Black Sabbath?
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COMMENT |
posted by : Sleepwalker86 5/29/2009 10:20:03 AM
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i dont get the osbournes... Tony doesnt even use the name Black Sabbath anymore, and H&H are more Black Sabbath than you can ever wish for!
First he fucks with Maiden, then he remixes his earlier albums with different musicians, suing the old ones, now Sabbath?
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COMMENT | Hell
posted by : alternativemonkey 5/29/2009 10:23:08 AM
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Ozzy doesn't have a chance in hell of winning this lawsuit. Ownership is more strongly linked to use than popularity. The mere fact that his incompetent lawyer cites that Iommi had sole use of the name from 1980 - 1996 (despite whatever decline in popularity) adds greater credence to Iommi as the rightful owner. It doesn't help Ozzy that Iommi issued two Black Sabbath products (Dio Years and Rules of Hell) in the intervening years since the copyright was filed. It doesn't help Ozzy that the copyright was filed and wasn't opposed by Ozzy 10 years ago. This is a publicity stunt (like Ozzy's last 10 years in ENTERTAINMENT) nothing more, nothing less.
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COMMENT | Suing them
posted by : 5/29/2009 10:25:22 AM
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for a name they are no longer using. Real swift.
I've lost what little respect I had left for Ozzy. Bark at the moon was the last respectable album he put out, there were a few songs here and there with Zack in tow, but certainly no Blizzard of Ozz or Diary of a Madman quality material.
Wonder if once Iommi and Butler are bullied into giving up the name if Sharon will have the Sabbath catalog re-recorded with some wankers to cut everyone out of the rightful royalty payments.
It would be sweet justice to see Iommi and Butler actually win the name for good, But I am sure the legal bills are going to be hefty on this one.
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COMMENT | Boycott everything Osbourne!!!
posted by : borikeepsbanningme 5/29/2009 10:26:56 AM
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Not going to support anything that this family has their hands on from now til the end of my days. This succubus has sucked the entertainment factor out of anything Ozzy has ever done. Sucks too because Randy Rhoads is one of my top 10 fav guitarists of all time. There goes me purchasing all Ozzy and Sabbath digitally now. I've already stopped going to Ozzfest after the Maiden incident but this just put the nail in the coffin for me on ANYTHING Ozzy related.
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COMMENT | Bloody Hell!!
posted by : 5/29/2009 10:27:49 AM
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Well thats it now then, 8 real Black Sabbath albums, there won't be a ninth and we got so close!! FUCK!!!
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COMMENT | This just proves it..
posted by : 5/29/2009 10:30:17 AM
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Ozzy is a total lowlife. There are absolutely NO side of that man worthy of respect.. He's just a stupid guy who got lucky finding some talented guys who knew how to make his voice usefull. He should be gratefull to get 25%, as he was no more the soul of Sabbath than any other longtime member.
This lawsuit just proves his utter stupidity. As do having a reality show and Sharon as a wife, by the way..
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COMMENT | yeah
posted by : 5/29/2009 10:32:07 AM
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erm, so the album heaven and hell, who was that by again?! sorry, I can't quite remember who the singer was for that one? oh dio, oh so dio sang for sabbath back in 1980?! but now ozzy says if he's not in it then it's not sabbath?! erm, what year do you think it is mate?! I'd tell you to lay off the drugs but it's evidently a bit late for that, and as we all know sharons the one with her arm up your arse anyway
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COMMENT | Look closely
posted by : 5/29/2009 10:35:41 AM
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Ozzy probably won't win this 50-50... If you look closely to the document above, the BS trademark was put in over 10 years. Since April 1999 Iommi has had sole ownership of the Black Sabbath name . Ozzy's camp could have opposed this many years ago but never did. Why now? Why after the reunions and all the real money has been made through touring and merch sales do they now want ownership of the name? Sounds like someone became upset and started picking through old bones and found this trademark, and thought by opposng now after 10 years it would piss off other people and cost them legal bills. Just speculating of course....
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COMMENT |
posted by : 5/29/2009 10:36:06 AM
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This sucks! I agree with the other posters about changing Ozzy Osbourne to $haron O$bourne. That b!tch is so money hungry. While I think a Black Sabbath album with Ozzy on vocals again would be awesome I don't think it would measure up to the first six Black Sabbath albums. Don't get me wrong. I love Heaven & Hell and I like most of the post-Ozzy albums. Tony was the heart and soul of Black Sabbath for so many yeras. If anyone owns the name it is Tony. I guess this is going to be the final nail in the coffin of a new Ozzy fronted Black Sabbath album.
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COMMENT | BLACK SABBATH
posted by : 5/29/2009 10:39:52 AM
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Ozzy continues to make himself look ridiculous.
The Ozzy glory days are long gone.
Long live Black Sabbath!
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COMMENT | let's face it...
posted by : stonecoldmetal 5/29/2009 10:45:33 AM
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there never was going to be another ozzy / sabbath album. we were lucky we got the Psycho Man single when we did. tony iommi is a bastard for slamming ozzy. would there have been a mention of this band in 2009 if it weren't for ozzy's legendary frontman ways in the 70s? hell no. is this lawsuit bullshit? absolutely. sharon's obviously trying to look out for her fucked up offspring and their future lack of income since they are talentless idiots.
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COMMENT | Well
posted by : 5/29/2009 10:46:37 AM
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Hopefully this will keep Heaven and Hell moving along and we won't have to worry about Black Sabbath reuniting for trite Ozzfest shows.
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COMMENT | Holy Shit
posted by : 5/29/2009 10:48:10 AM
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There's no way that Ozzy (er, "SHAARRR-ONN") has a leg to stand on in this one. If he wanted Black Sabbath so bad then why in the blue fuck didn't he ever record a new album with them? To me his own since of priorities over the last decade have illustrated that Sabbath is nothing more than a novelty to him. The Osbournes have shown themselves to be self-serving with no real consideration of the fans. I always thought it was low-down the way they re-did the drums and bass on Blizzard Of Ozz and Diary Of A Madman just to avoid paying royalties. I love Ozzy, but fuck that greedy bitch he's married to. I never thought The Ozzman would stoop to being a bitch.
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COMMENT | SAURON STRIKES AGAIN
posted by : Brother Maynard 5/29/2009 10:48:14 AM
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This is now all about merchandising revenue. Royalties are set from ASCAP and cannot be changed. Ozzy/Sauron would never be able to tour using Sabbath. The public outcry would be a nightmare and he would be booed off the stage no matter what. Purist are unforgiving.
Black Sabbath is a dead entity for music purposes. One could contest that when Ozzy left or got fired he relinquished the name and since the name was carried on it was Tony's. This lawsuit will basically come down to a split or in trial about how Sabbath was formed and when and by whom. I seem to remember that Tony did form the band with Geezer then Ozzy then Bill. But that's for historians to hash out.
Either way, Ozzy owes his life to Tony no matter what. If Ozzy really thinks about his professional prospects back in the late 60's, chances are he'd surely be penniless and dead by now. Some people just can't be happy with enough.
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COMMENT | !!!
posted by : 5/29/2009 10:49:06 AM
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They should all get 25% but ok maybe Iommi a little more, but none of these songs would have been made if Ozzy wasnt the singer. I just hope the new Ozzy album will be good, Heaven and Hell's album is very good.
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COMMENT | I could just see it now...
posted by : 5/29/2009 10:49:27 AM
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Ozzy (who wrote next to 0 lyrics on any Sabbath release), Zakk Wylde (overrated) and 2 other touring misfits calling themselves 'Black Sabbath'...
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COMMENT |
posted by : 5/29/2009 10:50:24 AM
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The good news is that obnoxious Bury Your Dead ad is gone. Fucking jewelry-carrying pussies.
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COMMENT | stonecoldmetal
posted by : Aces_High99 5/29/2009 10:57:43 AM
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Excuse me, stonecold, but Ozzy was NOT exactly a legendary frontman in the '70s while he was in Sabbath.
Ozzy didn't get his wild man reputation until he became a solo artist, and even then, it was more marketing and hype on $auron's part that got him the whole "Prince of Darkness" moniker.
Biting the heads off bats and doves, snorting ants, etc....ALL pre-calculated antics (some of which might not even be true) that were hyped up by $auron to gain Ozzy his notoriety and infamy as the wild dark prince of metal.
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COMMENT |
posted by : 5/29/2009 10:58:13 AM
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YOU JUST KNOW THAT BITCH SHARON IS BEHIND THIS
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COMMENT | This is Karma
posted by : Sir Dennis Eton-Hogg 5/29/2009 11:02:53 AM
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At the risk of sounding like Earl from "My Name is Earl" This is Karma! The backlash against Sharon and Ozzy displayed here had its seeds sown when she pulled that horrible stunt with the Gods of Metal : Iron Maiden. She displayed a childish and boorish mentality then and what happened? Maiden handled it with class like gentlemen and now they are on top of the world. H&H have put out a great album and are out working on the road getting the respect that they deserve and this infantile woman is probably seething with envy and is lashing out again..Sharon I hope you enjoy the big fucking karma sandwich you are eating! Up The Irons!
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posted by : Darklord Sith 5/29/2009 11:05:33 AM
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Don't worry about it people. Sharon's reasoning that Ozzy's efforts in Sabbath give him rights to the name is not valid. First and foremost, a trademark gives a person the right to carry on a business with a unique name even as employees or partners come and go as long as he has the rights to it. Whether or not, you make a million dollars or 5 dollars, Tony Iommi continued using the Sabbath for legitimate business purposes after Ozzy. The fact that Ozzy, I mean Sharon did not dispute this near the time of of the government filing back in 2000, is also going to play a major role. Ozzy could have also negotiated for rights for the "Black Sabbath" name before her rejoined for the the reunion tour. But he didn't. So in my opinion, Sharon is wasting her time and Ozzy's money on this lawsuit. This lawsuit is as laughable as she is.
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COMMENT | It's true.
posted by : 5/29/2009 11:06:22 AM
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Ozzy didn't want to tarnish Sabbath's legacy, so he drug his feet for 10 years to not make a new album, but he's fine with all those Ozzfest shows of beating a dead horse, and THEN he manages to release a solo album right when Heaven and Hell do theirs? How spectacular.
Ozzy's camp is just bent out of shape that Ronnie still has "got it", and when it comes to writing songs... Geezer deserves the credit Ozzy is asking for. At least it said "lyrical talents" and not "songwriting and lyrical ability". Otherwise this would be even more of a joke.
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COMMENT | UP THE 'KIN IRONS
posted by : 5/29/2009 11:08:39 AM
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UP EM!!
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posted by : Daisy May Tinklepants 5/29/2009 11:09:03 AM
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what about when dio was singing in black sabbath? does ozzy deserve that $$$ too?
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posted by : Aces_High99 5/29/2009 11:12:42 AM
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You're damned right this is karma.
Iron Maiden and Heaven and Hell are BOTH on top of the world, outplaying Ozzy and Hakk Mylde by miles. It's not even a competition at this point.
You reap what you sow. If this lawsuit fails, then it's pretty safe to say that Ozzy and $auron are all out of ammo and as good as buried.
And I hate saying that in some ways, 'cuz Ozzy IS a legend for his work in Sabbath, but he's taken way too much credit over the years, and has been exposed for years now as an only marginally-talented frontman who's been lucky to work with some of the best metal musicians on the planet.
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COMMENT | ozzy probly doesntknow
posted by : 5/29/2009 11:40:00 AM
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there is a fucking lawsuit
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posted by : madeinquebec 5/29/2009 11:44:09 AM
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Iommy is the god guitarist and Geezer rules as well.
F&ck $auron
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posted by : RiotAct666 5/29/2009 11:47:05 AM
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Can't we just get along? and not sue each other. This now puts any chance of a Original Sabbath reunion to rest.
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COMMENT | I LOVE this part...
posted by : 5/29/2009 11:54:31 AM
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"(sabbath's) popularity plummeted during his absence from 1980 through 1996."
if their popularity plummeted after ozzy left then what's he suing over!?!?!?!
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posted by : frankventosa 5/29/2009 11:57:04 AM
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After this and should Shaorn/Ozzy win, wonder what's next for them? Another law suit? This time seeking to barr Tony from playing his signature guitar sound in Sabbath? It's just all too crazy.
I stopped wishing for a Ozzy/Sabbath reunion album when these guys first reunited in the 90's and talked of a new album that never materialized. Since then, with me a Sabbath reunion album has always been about a Dio/Sabbath reunion.
Sad but glad this is happening. I grew up on Black Sabbath back in the 70's. Love the Ozzy solos as much as I love Dio's but above all, I feel that at this point in time it's just sad that it has to boil down to this when they should be making music together.
On the other hand, I'm glad because it somehow assures contuinity of the Dio/Iommi/Butler collaboration under whatever name. I hope Iommi wins and reissues The Devil You Know under the Black Sabbath name. Not that I have any problem with the Heaven & Hell name but I'll love to see him stick it to the Osbournes
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COMMENT | Here's how it should end up
posted by : 5/29/2009 11:59:22 AM
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1. Ozzy deserves, and probably gets already, a 25% share of royalties from all music that he was a part of.
2. Ozzy deserves, and probably will get a 25% + share of any revenues from Ozzfest performance related revenue. This includes merch that will continue to be sold. This is where I think the big deal is. Since Ozzy owns the Ozzfest brand, any t-shirts, DVD's or cd's that are co-branded should give Ozzy a greater than 25% percent share, because the rest of the band don't have a stake in that. This should also include Live Aid, but maybe not because the Born Again album cover was shown, and Ian Gillan happened to be in the band then.
3. Ozzy deserves NOTHING from any use of the Black Sabbath brand other than when he was with the band. He was terminated from the partnership after he was fired. . 4. Tony Iommi has the trademark for Black Sabbath. He can use it however he feels. He has been very smart in that the Black Sabbath logo has changed slightly over the years, so depending on which logo is used on a shirt, will tell you who gets which cut. You may see an end to a lot of this merch because of this.
5. No matter what, Heavan and Hell will remain the band's name. This has nothing to do with Ozzy getting paid or not getting paid. This has to do with the fact that they don't want to do Iron Man or Paranoid live any more.
6. I think that besides merch, I think getting the 50% ownership in the name might just open the door for Ozzy getting 3 scabs and calling it Black Sabbath. Ozzy won't win on this one.
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COMMENT | Again?!!
posted by : 5/29/2009 11:59:36 AM
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First and foremost.. this is something that should of been ironed out before the "originals" reunion took place. Now, although i do admire sharon for having the balls to make a name for herself in this cut throat business.. her demand ( not Ozzy ) of 50 percent of the profits smells to me like a personal vendetta than business sense. On the other hand, a "certain drummer" who once played in the 80s-martin-fronted-sabbath, once revealed to me that Mr. iommi himself becomes a selfish, greedy animal.. every time that money comes rolling in. either way, one thing is for sure.. the original Sabbath as we know it.. will be no more.
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COMMENT | I think they should raise the stakes!!!!!
posted by : Neil Young's Cocaine Booger 5/29/2009 12:04:45 PM
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If John and Sharon lose......they both get pushed into an erupting volcano!!!!!!!
And the first thing Tony and Geezer should do after they win, is re-release all the Sabbath albums with Ozzy with RONNIE doing the vocals!!!!!! If Bill doesn't want to do it, they still got Vinny.
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COMMENT | Hey it is me or is.....
posted by : 5/29/2009 12:09:08 PM
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Sharon Osbourne the new Yoko Ono. Always stirring up shit to cause controversy amongst the band members.
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COMMENT | Love Ozzy
posted by : Skullchrist 5/29/2009 12:09:11 PM
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But fuck him. The truth hurts.
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COMMENT | OK Time for a lesson in music
posted by : 5/29/2009 12:15:00 PM
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It says in the story ozzy would come up with the vocal line and butler would write the lyrics, do you know how easy it is to write lyrics once you have the vocal line? (of course not because most of your are idiots on this site)
Time for The Lesson
Take the First line of war pigs (generals gather in their masses, just like witches at black masses) If you hum that line, that is what ozzy did, and then geezer wrote the lyrics to that hum. anyone know what that means? (of course not refer to what I said before........ idiots)
My friends Ozzy with that hum has just written one of the most important parts of the song the melody. Once the melody is written the lyrics are easy. (get a life people) without ozzy no popular black sabbath.
This ends the lesson
just an afterthought if history repeats itself shouln't ozzys new cd be on par with blizzard of ozz
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COMMENT | God almighty..
posted by : The Fish that should not be 5/29/2009 12:23:39 PM
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..Ozzy was a legend but now he's just a poor bitch to his wife. I hope Tony wins then keeps the Heaven and Hell name, we know it's Sabbath, they know it's Sabbath, but these guys sound fresh again without the weight of the Sabbath moniker around their necks.
Legendary albums but i think the Sabbath name should be put to rest and let these guys enjoy making great metal because they have fun, at the same time let Ozzy get on with his shit, he'll be cursed till the day he dies with that bitch on his back.
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COMMENT | Iommi+Butler= Black Sabbath
posted by : 5/29/2009 12:24:39 PM
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I love Ozzy´s solo work (from 1980 - 1995, the last 2 where boring), but it gets harder and harder to like this guy (and the people around him). 1. Re-recording the first 2 solo albums 2. The Iron Maiden incident 3. Now this... Maiden and H&H.....no, Maiden and Black Sabbath are making great music now, and Ozzy isn´t.
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COMMENT | cynomod
posted by : Sir Dennis Eton-Hogg 5/29/2009 12:27:52 PM
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According to your post anyone who hums is a fucking musician!
Ozzy The Prince of Hummers!! Ozzy can go hum his works of genius to himself and his money hungrey bitch while Heaven and Hell and Iron Maiden rule the world and make a mockery of him and his feeble humming "talents"!!
Up The Irons!!
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COMMENT | $haron
posted by : metal for breakfast 5/29/2009 12:28:16 PM
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The "puppet master" (Sharon) first tried to screw over Daisley and Kerslake now Tony. There is a pattern here I guess when you have to rely on outside songwriters for material you don't make the same cash unless you tour. Since Ozzy can barely remember the words never mind hit the notes, touring isn't the cash cow it once was. I do think Ozzy's voice was great in his day, but now? Listen to the new Heaven & Hell that old man Dio still has it.
Love,
Atom and Evil
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COMMENT | FUCK OZZY AND SHARON!
posted by : 5/29/2009 12:28:55 PM
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They are just mad that Heaven and Hell was a much better album than any of the Ozzy era bullshit stoner rock albums they made. Iommi was good enough to call them "Heaven and Hell" so as not to confuse stupid people. It's not like Sabbath is operating anyway. When I went to Ozzfest in 2005 Sabbath cancelled because Ozzy couldn't sing, which happened with almost more than half of those concert dates. I don't really care because that gave Iron Maiden a longer set list which is far more important. Fuck Ozzy Osbourne, Sharon, and Zakk Waylde for sucking so much.
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COMMENT | Sir Dennis Eton-Hogg
posted by : Neil Young's Cocaine Booger 5/29/2009 12:44:46 PM
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I think we should record some hummingbirds!!!!!!! Cause who needs a great riff or great lyrics, as long as they can hum!!!!!!
WE'D BE BILLIONAIRES!!!!!!!
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posted by : Skullchrist 5/29/2009 12:49:19 PM
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Still reeling from this…sigh. For a split second I thought of throwing all my Ozzy shit into the furnace. He’s going to lose a lot of fans and friends over this? Where do you stand? Where does Zakk stand? He fucking worships Geez and Tony. Zakk you have a lot of soul searching to do.
Ozzy’s nadir.
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COMMENT | yes
posted by : 5/29/2009 12:53:49 PM
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Like everyone else is saying, fuck Ozzy and $haron! Sabbath are doing much better without them. I saw the original lineup at Ozzfest '05, it was nice but pretty mild compared to when I saw Heaven and Hell for the first time. Who cares if Ozzy never sings with Sabbath again? He can only perform two shows a year anyway.
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COMMENT | glad I finally bought the H&H cd
posted by : 5/29/2009 12:54:58 PM
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I've been meaning to pick up the H&H cd but the reviews have been a little mixed. Anyway, I got it yesterday, and I'm happy to support Tony Iommi. Now I would go out and buy concert tickets if H&H would book a Philadelphia date! What are they waiting for?
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COMMENT | |Really?
posted by : SilverMachine 5/29/2009 12:55:26 PM
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I fucking hate sharon osbourne. Ozzy is MUCH more wealthty than any of the other sabbath guys. Correct me if i'm wrong, the only consistent thing about every single line up of Sabbath was That Tony Iommi played guitar. Ozzy didn't sing on the Majority of Sabbath realeses and on the classics that he did sing on....HE DIDN'T WRITE THE FUCKING LYRICS!!!!! That was Geezer's job. Long live Heaven and Hell. They made a great record while Ozzy pumps out turgid crap like Black Rain.
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COMMENT | Oh man...
posted by : iamnoone 5/29/2009 1:02:35 PM
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I like the early sabbath ... this is insane... never liked dio much anly a little bit of the sabbath material with him. and not much of the dio solo material...but to sue tony after all these years, something more is at hand...i think the osbournes just want more rights to relase un released stuff that we have not heard and also this movie coming out has got alot of sabbath stuff in it...on other reason for this insanity, everyone wants a peice of it as it will be big...so to sue for more black sabbath control is in the best interest of the osbournes as to keep proceedes out of the other hands and to secure jacks film...my take is & I could be wrong, there is more going on here than we know...
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COMMENT | futhermore,
posted by : iamnoone 5/29/2009 1:04:46 PM
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80 million in advertising is not just chump change..so there have been some arguinmg about a 2006 deal which ran out and Iommi claimed ownership of the logo rights thus merch...
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posted by : rds 5/29/2009 1:13:30 PM
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and the guy in COUNT RAVEN out ozzied OZZY, and does a better doomier version, Angel of Death, Destruction of the Void!
SLACK BABBATH...
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COMMENT | ozzy never wrote a single note
posted by : 5/29/2009 1:16:03 PM
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everybbody know black sabath is tony and geezer, whatever who sing or drum. after the maiden scandal, ozzy and sharon hit a new low. nobody s gonna buy your next boring album.
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posted by : Lemmyisgod 5/29/2009 1:16:23 PM
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This is nothing new. Just read "Doom Let Loose" by Martin Popoff. Great Sabbath bio with input from everyone ever involved with the Sabbath camp. After reading it, this all makes sense.
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COMMENT | Too Bad
posted by : 5/29/2009 1:17:13 PM
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It's sad to see something like this happen, especially after all these years. I love all versions of the band - Ozzy and Dio's eras best of all - but, this is clearly about a) money and b) respect. Ozzy wants all of (a), but, doesn't really have much of (b), especially after the last 10 years or so. I don't really see how Ozz can win this - and worse, it just makes him look bad.
What I never understood was why Ozzy and Dio just couldn't come to an accomodation. Yes, I know they don't like each other - that grudge goes back to 1980. But, it would be in BOTH of their interests to get on the same page and work TOGETHER. Then, there would be PLENTY of money to go around, the fans would get the best of both worlds, and Iommi would get to play ALL of his best known riffs, instead of just the parts he gets to play with Dio or just the parts he gets to play with Ozzy.
Lastly, they need to put Dio into the Rock 'n Roll HoF with Sabbath. It's cool that the original four are there - but, Dio deserves to be there with them.
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COMMENT | then again..
posted by : iamnoone 5/29/2009 1:20:50 PM
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if can own the 'black sabbath' name, he can hire thre new guys rerelease the sabbth records and make a new record and call it black sabbath
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COMMENT | I am having a pint
posted by : Sir Dennis Eton-Hogg 5/29/2009 1:27:08 PM
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As I write this I am having a pint of Shiner and watching Computer God from the live at MSG DVD and I am thankful that BLACK SABBATH exists with RJD to do it justice and that I will watch Iron Maidens's Flight 666 DVD after that they never put me through any bullshit like this....let the lawyers tear themselves apart....Hail Maiden and Hail the true Sabbath with DIO.. Up The Irons!
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COMMENT | response to Aces_High99
posted by : 5/29/2009 1:30:27 PM
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true Ozzy and Sharon are definitely buttholes who aren't worth our time, but don't insult Zakk Wylde. He may have been known to get really drunk at concerts, but he is still an incredible guitarist(I prize him higher than that overrated Rhandy Rhoads guy, who people praise so highly simply because he died) and he is a great man with a terrific personality
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posted by : 5/29/2009 1:30:54 PM
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I hope the judge throws this case out. 1. Ozzy quit Black Sabbath, therefore forefits his share in the band. 2. Iommi has every right to the Black Sabbth name becusae he was THE ONLY member to stick with it through the near 40+ years of the bands existence. 3. I guess even Ozzy forgets that there was a little Album called Heaven and Hell that was one of Sabbth's Best. 4. Iommi and Dio changed there name to Heaven and Hell out of respect for the difference between Dio-Sabbath and Ozzy-Sabbath. If Dio was running around saying that he is Black Sabbath then Ozzy would have a case. 5. And Finally, going back to the late 60's, wasn't it Iommi who formed Sabbath who then recruited Ozzy???
It has and always will be Iommi's band. Case closed before it was ever opened!
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posted by : 5/29/2009 1:40:28 PM
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I agree with those who say this is more Sharon than Ozzy. I love Ozzy to death, and almost always defend him, but he's not exactly 100% there these days. And I doubt he would be coherent enough to put together this suit. Which leaves Sharon and/or other management.
It's sad this shit even goes on. Wish they could all get along.
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COMMENT | Hey Cynomod!
posted by : 5/29/2009 1:42:04 PM
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You are absolutely right about one thing...writing a strong melody is critical to the success of a song. In popular music, it is imperative.
However, a majority of early Sabbath's "melodies" were ozzy singing along with and following Tony Iommi's riffs, which shows a complete lack of imagination on Ozzy's part and just goes to show who had the talent in that band....the guy who really wrote the melody, Tony Iommi (or, sometimes, Geezer who wrote quite a bit of Sabs music.)
So quit being so condescending...you, like most, aren't nearly as smart as you think. Just ask your mom.
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posted by : 5/29/2009 1:49:54 PM
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sad. it does suck. gues i'll never ever see the real Sabbath live.
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posted by : Viking Christ 5/29/2009 1:55:14 PM
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I think that you guys who think this is Ozzy's attempt to form his own Black Sabbath are mistaken. What's the point? If he got 50% of the name, he still could not use it without Iommi's permission and why would he even bother? He can do a solo tour doing nothing but Sabbath tunes if he wanted to. 10 to 1 says this is all about merchandising. Sharon/Ozzy wants a bigger cut of any Sabbath merchandise (shirts and shit, not music) sold (if he even gets one now; he might not).
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COMMENT | eeesh
posted by : 5/29/2009 2:06:55 PM
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Dick move. What if there's a sudden turnabout, and rights revert to the producers of the movie?
Iommi, if it'll help, plenty of us will be glad to testify that the Dio era kicked ass.
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COMMENT | WHY BLAME OZZY??
posted by : 5/29/2009 2:18:20 PM
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He as well as ward and butler deserve 25% ownership...fuck the blabber bashers get your head outta your asses!
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COMMENT | Fuck $haron Jewbourne
posted by : Project Mayhem 5/29/2009 2:21:10 PM
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Dio / Gillan / Martin Sabbath are all far superior than O**y anyway. The sooner $haron dies the better...
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COMMENT | wow, I find all of this a tad hypocritical
posted by : rous 5/29/2009 2:22:07 PM
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90% of you are sitting her saying that Iommi can do whatever he wants with the band name, because it was his band, he was the only original member, blah blah blah. Then I see the same people bitching about Axl and Billy Pumpkin souring the names of their respective bands that they also started and are also the only originals left because of that exactly: that they are the only ones left. If there was a lawsuit that Slash or Izzy put up against Axl, or that James Iha or Jimmy C put up against Billy for the rights to the band names, I'm guessing you all would side with the latters. Why is that? It's hypcritical.
Just because Ozzy quit and/or got fired from BS does NOT forfeit his share of any royalties he had when he was with the band. Whether Geezer wrote the lyrics or not. That's ludicrous. This isn't a job at walmart, it's a creative endeavour with contracts of extension. If you help create something that is still being sold for money, those who participated in the initial agreement should stay in said agreement. Anything else makes absolutely no sense.
Like it or not, Ozzy was just a big a part of BS as any of the other 3 at the height of the band. He was a huge part of their signature sound, even if he didn't jot down the actual words.
No one else can even suggest they know the backstory behind this, or what maybe Iommi/Butler have done to possibly screw over the Ozzy camp behind the scenes. I'm sure we'd hear Sharon screeching if they did, I'm just playing devil's advocate here, that maybe we don't know the whole story.
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COMMENT | cynomod the bleepin musical genius
posted by : J-House 5/29/2009 2:23:46 PM
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Are you kidding me? what a limp dick you are. And when you listen to Iron Man, do you give Tony credit for writing the vocal line?
Seriously, I hope this is the straw that broke the camels back with Ozzy/$harron...especially after the whole re-recording Blizzard and Diary's bass and drum parts. Thats unforgivable and so is this... Too little, too late, too bad, so sad...FUCK YOU OZZY, I'M GOING TO SELL ALL MY OZZY CD'S AND WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER AGAIN!!!!
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, I HOPE WHEN YOU LOSE THIS CASE, I HOPE THAT TONY AND GEEZER HAVE DIO RE-RECORD YOUR VOCALS ON ALL THE ALBUMS YOU ORIGINALLY DID!!!!!!!!!!
BOYCOTT OZZY!!!!!!!!!!!!
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COMMENT | what the hell
posted by : rous 5/29/2009 2:27:27 PM
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you people saying "boycott Ozzy"? What the FUCK? You are willing to give up some of your favourite music simply because of something that goes on behind the scenes between arguing bandmembers?
Are you all children siding with the cool kid at school?
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COMMENT | rous
posted by : J-House 5/29/2009 2:36:28 PM
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In case you haven't been paying attention for the past 30 years, OZZY is the "cool kid at school".
And I'm not saying to stop listening to the music, just stop buying it and illegally download it instead, LOL!
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posted by : 5/29/2009 2:40:57 PM
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...first post
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COMMENT | Goodbye new reunion
posted by : 5/29/2009 2:52:36 PM
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Black Sabbath wouldn't release a new album together anyway... Yommi owns the name, period. This will lead to nothing.
Long life to Heaven and Hell. I saw them live and they're great!
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COMMENT | Tony Owns the Name Case Closed
posted by : 5/29/2009 2:56:06 PM
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In 1985 Tony bought the rights from the remaining originals
He made the investment, he carried on with the band thru the late 80s and 90s, he is Black Sabbath
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COMMENT | Hey Fugazi2112
posted by : 5/29/2009 3:32:43 PM
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Little known fact: On the first reunion tour Tony Martin was paid to be at every show. That's not Ozzy barking and Iommi jumping, that's a well earned lack of faith in a washed up front man with failing health. Furthermore, it doesn't matter who has been in the band over the years, Iommi started it, it's his band, it always has been. It's his name. No one was suing him for half ownership in the late 80's when he was putting the tour accomodations on his personal credit card (and putting on a better show than Ozzy would have been capable of.)
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COMMENT | losferwrds
posted by : J-House 5/29/2009 3:35:18 PM
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this.
I think that all of this is and has always been a case of Ozzy lamenting the fact that he was such a complete f-up back in the day that he couldn't keep it together enough to stay in the band...and that the next album they made with DIO our ranked at least 5 of the Ozzy era albums on top of it. I think Ozzy, like lots of other people left in the dust of their old band is starting to feel like he was somehow screwed out of what was rightfully his, when in fact he was the one that did the screwing...to himself!
Bring on the Sepultura lawsuit next!
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COMMENT | "Signature Lead Vocals"
posted by : 5/29/2009 3:43:30 PM
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I think the reason for Sabbath's success is Iommis Killer Riffs
I always liked the Dio era of Sabbath better anyway
Even with changing the name to "Heaven and Hell". they are still a success
"Look Out" Ronnie, Sharon might have eggs heading your way next
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COMMENT | Fuck you $haron
posted by : imaginos 5/29/2009 3:48:46 PM
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Fuck you $haron. You are a fuckin' scum.
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COMMENT | THIS SMELLS....
posted by : #1metalhead 5/29/2009 3:55:35 PM
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like the work of sharon.there goes any chance of another original "sabbath" tour or possible record !!! f*?kin' b*&%ch !!!
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COMMENT | Alan is a Panther
posted by : J-House 5/29/2009 3:59:34 PM
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No, I totally hear you on that...I guess what I meant was as far as the bitter feelings about the past was more from the perspective of Sharron, and how she feels Oz was wronged and how he(she) deserves compensation for it.
DIE BITCH!!! God dammit this pisses me off.
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COMMENT | Alan is a Panther
posted by : J-House 5/29/2009 3:59:36 PM
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No, I totally hear you on that...I guess what I meant was as far as the bitter feelings about the past was more from the perspective of Sharron, and how she feels Oz was wronged and how he(she) deserves compensation for it.
DIE BITCH!!! God dammit this pisses me off.
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COMMENT | Both Live
posted by : 5/29/2009 4:41:25 PM
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After seeing Heaven and Hell on the metal masters tour and seeing Black Sabbath at Ozzfest '05, there is no question Dio owns Ozzy musically in every department. Iommi deserves the name it is that simple, and if I remember right he didn't call H and H, Black Sabbath out of respect for Ozzy, I believe Ozzy asked him not to....if I remember correctly could be wrong though.
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COMMENT | Unreal
posted by : 5/29/2009 4:49:47 PM
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Greed. Jealousy. Spite
I honestly didn't think the Osbournes could stoop any lower than re-recording over Daisley and Kerslake (one of the saddest "criminal" acts in music history).
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posted by : MetalMetalMetal 5/29/2009 5:13:42 PM
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fuck ozzy puppet
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COMMENT | Ozzy's Statement on law suit
posted by : 5/29/2009 5:16:10 PM
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http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=8863067&blogID=491820003
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COMMENT | commentary on this article
posted by : 5/29/2009 5:30:28 PM
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http://spinelanguage.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/lawsuit-bloody-lawsuit/
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COMMENT | Hey Ozzy
posted by : 5/29/2009 5:30:37 PM
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I was at that Ozzfest 2005 gig in Chicago where the band dropped 4 songs from the setlist (4 songs of a 12 song setlist is 1/3 of the set, by the way) because your voice shit out and you left the stage. I'd like a refund of $40 on my $120 I paid for the ticket THEN (ironic that a ticket to see H&H was only $55), plus interest, please. Since it was YOUR fault.
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COMMENT | Calculating Bitch
posted by : 5/29/2009 5:32:35 PM
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Q.Why after all these years have she decided to sue now?A.Sharon made sure she bled the whole reunion thing dry before she decided to sue. Black Sabbath were never going to get back together for another album, Tony and Geezer new this thats why they recently made those true remarks about Ozzy, a parting shot if you like. As if Sharon could'nt have alienated Ozzys fans any more she's gone and did this. This will be the final nail in the coffin of Ozzy's career. Go Tony, behind you all the way
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COMMENT | Also...
posted by : 5/29/2009 5:32:53 PM
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Bring on a new Heaven and Hell album, and another live DVD! Forget Ozzy-Sabbath, that boat has sailed (and failed).
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posted by : 5/29/2009 5:34:08 PM
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Give it up Ozzy. Move on. Stop the drugs and wake up.
No one likes you anymore.
ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY MIGHTY DIO!!!!!!!!!!
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COMMENT | nooooo
posted by : 5/29/2009 5:38:38 PM
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This is stupid! Why, now there is no chance of a Ozzy reunion again, next year was gonna be 40 years. And it is just stupid. This lawsuit is about 28 years too late! It doesnt seem fair. I can understand how Ozzy feels hurt that thye are doing this without him, but seriously? Ozzy refused to write a new album with Black Sabbath. I'm always one to defend Ozzy when people talk shit, but this is just fucking stupid on Ozzy's part!
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COMMENT | Go to Hell Ozzy!
posted by : The Govner 5/29/2009 5:59:44 PM
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Greedy bastard!
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COMMENT | Its Sad
posted by : 5/29/2009 6:10:59 PM
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Ozzy is pretty much done, Priest, Maiden and H and H are still making pretty good albums, black rain was decent had a few tracks I enjoyed but seriously Ozzfest '07 was a free show and he couldn't pack Cricket here in Phoenix, Iron Maiden came with no new album and sold it out same with Priest/H and H.
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COMMENT | !!!
posted by : 5/29/2009 7:01:29 PM
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Saw Ozzy 3 years ago and i have to say he was great, both his voice was good and he got the crowd going better then most people do. and still even on a bad day Ozzy's voice is better then most of the new metal singers that are to afraid to sing and just scream and crawl some shit in the mic that noone understands. and its not like Dickinson or Halford are perfect night after night.
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COMMENT | Lesson #2
posted by : 5/29/2009 7:09:46 PM
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Please for everyone's sake name another sabbath song where the vocal actually follows the guitar besides Iron man and NIB.
Here's some examples that don't
Paranoid war pigs the wizard sweet leaf children of the grave
shall I go on SHUT UP
Faries wear boots supernaut into the void changes warning
SHALL I GO ON SHUT UP
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COMMENT | Correction
posted by : 5/29/2009 7:18:06 PM
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Paranoid and Sweet leaf (which I'm Smoking Now) sorry do follow the guitar
but snowblind and the best part of sabbath bloody sabbath don't planet caravan
I think my point has been made give ozzy some credit for his melodies
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COMMENT | cynomod
posted by : J-House 5/29/2009 8:18:02 PM
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^^^CLUELESS^^^
VVV What he Said VVV Sir Dennis Eton-Hogg 5/29/2009 12:27:52 PM According to your post anyone who hums is a fucking musician!
Ozzy The Prince of Hummers!! Ozzy can go hum his works of genius to himself and his money hungry bitch while Heaven and Hell and Iron Maiden rule the world and make a mockery of him and his feeble humming "talents"!!
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posted by : Sabbathman 5/29/2009 8:21:38 PM
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I can't fucking believe this, just as Heaven & Hell has released their new album and is starting their third tour...
Tony Iommi was always the band leader, right from the day he returned from Jethro Tull and drove his mother's lorry to wake up and pick up the rest of the band for rehearsals. Tony Iommi has always been the key songwriter in this band. The music of Black Sabbath is built upon and around Tony Iommi's guitar riffs. Tony Iommi soldiered against fire and ice alone, in times when everyone else from the original lineup was out of the band. Tony Iommi came through, without his relentless grip this band would have DIED long ago. Tony Iommi carried the flag of Black Sabbath through the decades making different albums with different artists. Tony Iommi claimed the band name. It's his band!!! He and Ronnie James Dio decided to change the band name to something fresh and lineup-specific. They chose Heaven & Hell. They made new songs, they did a relentless world tour, they released a live DVD, they made a Christmas song, they did the Metal Masters tour with Judas Priest, they made a whole new fucking album(which Ozzy Osbourne never did!!!) and now they have started another relentless world tour with new music in their weaponry.
I too love Ozzy Osbourne, his time and vocals with Black Sabbath, his "solo" career built and made possible by OTT musicians. Black Sabbath gave Ozzy Osbourne the chance to get big. Ozzy Osbourne helped Black Sabbath to become big. A symbiosis. But that was long time ago. The reunion of the original Black Sabbath back in 1996-1997 brought Ozzy Osbourne back into the fold and again Ozzy Osbourne helped Black Sabbath to become big. But 10 years of the same short setlist in lengthy intervals made Black Sabbath lose their momentum, Ozzy Osbourne couldn't do a varied setlist, Ozzy Osbourne did not want to and was not up to making a whole new album, Ozzy Osbourne made Black Sabbath a shadow of it's former self. Ozzy Osbourne keeps making money with TV-shows and Pro-Tool-doctored "solo" albums with Sharon keeping tight leash on everything.
I remember when Black Sabbath was inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. I was happy for them. Even then Ozzy Osbourne failed the group by being unable to perform - some fucking Metallica performed instead of their idols!!! But I was happy. Not long after Ronnie James Dio came in again and together with Tony Iommi started firing on all heavy caliber cylinders. Now Ozzy Osbourne (=Sharon), after all the good things said in favour of Heaven & Hell and Tony Iommi, dares to file A FUCKING LAWSUIT against TONY IOMMI in order to get more money - money that doesn't belong to him or Sharon. This is a fucking low-life sacrilege and blasphemy against Tony Iommi and the entire Black Sabbath institution and spirit. No respect, no honour, no friendship...just a fucking envious, money-hungry jealousy in order to cover up Ozzy Osbourne's incompetence and descending success in the face of Tony Iommi's high-rolling success and progress(!!!) with Heaven & Hell.
I hope Ozzy Osbourne (=Sharon) loses this case with an embarrasment and shame and I definitely hope this whole thing doesn't have the slightest negative impact on Heaven & Hell in any way or form.
OZZY OSBOURNE:
You have your own life and "solo" career, Tony Iommi has his own life and career with Heaven & Hell which is the current incarnation of the Black Sabbath institution and in which you are NOT involved. Stop making this mess, show respect and support for Tony Iommi as you already did (falsely, it now seems). Without Tony Iommi coming to wake you up from your bed in the mornings of your youth, YOU would have already died long ago as an unemployed and poor ex-factory worker because of alcohol abuse. Or as an inmate.
Remember Ozzy: YOU were kicked out of this band 2 times before the 70's drew to a close. You came back and finally let go again.
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posted by : 5/29/2009 8:51:51 PM
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I will never wish death on someone, BUT wouldn't we all be better off if SOMEONE did?
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posted by : Sabbathman 5/29/2009 9:23:52 PM
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I hereby culminate my opinion of all this shit in the following comment:
Sharon must have cried her eyes out and torn her face with her polished nails when she heard Dio singing on the new Heaven & Hell single Bible Black...
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COMMENT | I TOLD YOU SO!!!
posted by : Tama Basher 5/29/2009 10:41:46 PM
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A year ago, I took a lot of shit on this very board for positing the idea that the Heaven and Hell name change for a Dio-fronted Sabbath had something to do with $haron O$bourne, and this proves it.
My guess is Iommi took the safe route in reforming the Dio version of Sabbath with a new name in advance of what he knew would be a legal battle with the O$bournes. That way, any monies earned as Heaven and Hell would not be in question during any legal action on the Black Sabbath trademark. Had they used the Sabbath name, Ozzy and $haron would have their evil lawyers tie up all those Dio-reunion proceeds for years trying to get their cut.
I may not have picked the last 4 Bowl winners right, but I picked this one, and you heard it here first.
Now - Where's my free beer?
P.S. - The O$bournes suck, and this is KARMA!
Hey $haron - remember how you fucked Ozzy's old band members out of royalties by removing their tracks from the reissues? Suck it, bitch. I hope Iommi wins.
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COMMENT | FARCE!!!!
posted by : 5/29/2009 11:24:51 PM
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Just when you think Ozzy can't sink any lower, he does something even more utterly despicable. Dio resurrected Sabbath from the void, and Ozzy after 2 brilliant Randy Rhoads albums, descending into pop farce - each year more embarassing than the last, while Sabbath was making great music with Dio and Tony Martin. Ozzy even destroyed the legacy of the only 2 good solo albums he was ever on, with his loathsome screwing the great Bob Daisley out of royalties. One of the most henious scabby things ever. And now this senile pathetic clown thinks to sue one of rock/metal's greatest musicians? Hard to think of a bigger farce. Ozzy, die. You're braindead already. You've disgraced yourself and betrayed your fans, you loathsome toad. OK, sure, it's his horrid wife that's behind this, as Ozzy can't think for himself for many years. But still, she does it in his name, and Ozzy bears responsibility for going along with this fetid steaming sack of subhuman cells called Sharon.
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COMMENT | fugazi2112
posted by : Neil Young's Cocaine Booger 5/30/2009 12:04:23 PM
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"Ozzy has an intangible quality that is bordering on magic when he gets in front of a crowd."
Yeah, because running around clapping like a spastic seal,yelling "Hey,hey,hey" and throwing water on a crowd is really magical!!!!!!!
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COMMENT | Toxic Waste
posted by : Darkblade 5/30/2009 2:06:36 PM
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This crowd is obviously Dio and Iommi butt sniffers.
BLACK SABBATH
Ozzy has sixteen years with the band under the original lineup. RJD has what, three? One of which was living off the glory of Ozzy/Bill/Geezer/Tony?
I saw RJD in 1980 at Lebanon Valley Speedway, and just like Bill Ward says "The live show seemed so bare, Ron was out there doing his thing and I just went 'It's gone'." I was 14. All I can remember was this really short guy who came onstage in black leather, ridiculous silver spikes, and these HUGE plaform shoes (they were like 18" platform w 24" spikes) just so that he could reach the microphone or look like a normal sized man for gods sake. It was a joke.
He was NOT Ozzy, and did NOT do anything except live off of the fans that the original four men had gathered as Black Sabbath.
Dio is like Geoff Tate, long-winded, classically trained, but unappeling to listen to.
I don't know WHERE you have been, but Heaven and Hell royally sucks. Some (i am sure alcoholic and baked brained fourty and fifty year olds stuck in the past) rave about 'Bible Black' - give me a break. Fans of this album are the brain dead ones. If you call that good music you are obviously scrabbling for something you lost long ago, the desire to belong to something once again. I did buy the album hoping to be amazed, and was extremely diappointed. Get real.
RE: THE MYTHS AND SLANDER OF OZZY OSBOURNE
Ozzy has been sober folks for several years now. And, in sobriety I am sure he is discovering just what a deliberate person Iommi is and always has been - for years>
I'm sure as the deliberate person that he is Iommi carefully set up conditions to fuck all three of the other band members out of what they could have had NO IDEA was as big as it was, at a time when they were financially and emotionally vulnerable. He strikes me as a BIG TIME control freak, and in fact in an interview during Sabbath Reunion / Ozzfest - he admits himself in how his need to control ruined many things for the band up to and including their breakup in 1979.
Did they know when signing the dotted line what their band meant to the history of music? I think not. In hindsight, has Ozzy felt ripped off? Yea, I think he did. I am positive Geezer and Bill feel the same - just watch the interview I mentioned above - it's got quite a dialogue between the four for some time discussing who Sabbath is for them (the four of them).
That is totally belied by Iommi being the ONLY one on the ownership papers.
The greedy mother fucker in all of this is IOMMI.
The four men who are Black Sabbath should be owners of the name. They deserve it as members of a legendary and extremely influential band.
Knocking Ozzy for when sobriety came and the fact that he was unaware in his mental state (which of you druggies and alkies are vigilant of ANYTHING in that state) of this whole issue - that's completely stupid. The lawsuit comes now because he is sober now, and reflecting on his life & contributions to music.
Ozzy is an amazing musician, fuck all of you and your insults.
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COMMENT | TONY IOMMI is Black Sabbath & Godfather of Heavy Metal!
posted by : InThroughTheOutDoor 5/30/2009 3:27:02 PM
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Big mistake by Tony been too nice to use H&H band name instead of Black Sabbath, just not to offend anyone or confuse (?) the fans. If it was BS the 2 previous times w/Dio, why, why not the 3rd?? This is what happens, people like Sharon don't hesitate to take advantage & will point that out in court (if he owns the name, he should have used it on his latest cd). Ozzy is done, as Zakk saves all his good material for his BLS cds. Sharon needs $ for cancer treatment is my guess, the Osbournes are low-life people...
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COMMENT | Geezer is a genius.....but Ozzy has a point
posted by : 5/30/2009 9:42:57 PM
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First I want to comment on the guy who said writing a melody is more difficult than writing lyrics.....sorry, but I really must laugh at this observation.....totally absurd....If writing lyrics is so EASY after a melody has been written....why not just let Ozzy write the lyrics then?....Even if his stuff is total gibberish, as long as you have a good melodic hook who cares right?
Let's be clear....lyrics are perhaps the most difficult aspect of songwriting....many excellent bands have hired outside lyricists simply because lyric writing is so difficult....To make light of the skill of Geezer Butler shows complete ignorance of songcraft....one who possesses such command of the English language as to consistently avoid sounding corny, cliche or totally obscure, while at the same time coming up with lines that are completely memorable and compelling is a true genius.....Geezer Butler is a true lyrical genius
Certainly the Riffs and rhythms are equally as important as well crafted lyrics.....but at the end of the day....it is the lyric that makes a great song truly timless....recording techniques will change.....playing techniques will evolve and sound dated after some time.....but a great song never goes out of style because its lyrics connect with listeners across generations....a great lyric taps into the very soul of the listener....(all true Black Sabbath fans know exactly what I am talking about).....a meaningful well crafted lyric is beyond the fickleness of fashion
Now we must agree that perhaps the one thing that made the classic Black Sabbath so great, and so enduring as compared to other bands....is the fact that their early, classic material was truly a group effort....their songs were in every aspect group compositions....they were an actual GROUP....not a backing band for a hip singer.....not a guitarist's solo project....But a ROCK BAND in every sense of the word.....this is the reason that their classic sound is so difficult to immitate.....nobody can do a Black Sabbath cover better than the original Black Sabbath....every member of the band has such a unique style, sound and feel that is instantly recognizable.....This is perhaps the reason i dislike so much of todays metal music....to my ears much of it simply does not sound like a real band playing.....much of it sounds like an awesome guitarist playing along to a drum machine.....even though some of modern metal is quite heavy production wise.....very few modern metal songs sound like they were composed as a group....it all sounds like it was written in the guitar player's bedroom with Pro Tools....(even the new H & H comes across this way, it lacks that spontaniety of classic Sabbath).....that freeform, explosive, abrupt feel that makes classic Sabbath music still so exciting sounding is completely absent in today's metal.....it's all very generic and easy to categorize....it's all too steady and mechanical.....the classic Black Sabbath was never generic or predictable....they never sounded like session players....their music was truly magical.....this is why I must say that Ozzy Osbourne has a point....although perhaps not correctly phrased.....but no honest fan can deny that all royalties pertaining to artwork and photos of the classic line-up should be split equally amongst the original band.....the greatest band ever
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COMMENT | tony iommy will win
posted by : Metalgus37 6/1/2009 9:34:37 PM
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i'm complete support iommy and wish you good luck from all the metal heads of this page, i really sad about ozzy to sue him for something tony owns the creative and born of black sabbath and ozzy please don't do this ,thanks to tony you're famous thanks to black sabbath.
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COMMENT | Ozzy deserves 25% & sharon deserves $25, The Fans deserve more !
posted by : 7/23/2009 9:09:33 AM
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Iommi sued Ozzy 1st folks, this is possibly a revengeful sue case as Heaven & Hell/Black Sabbath names were formed/altered recently & is by no means a coincidence. Think about it.
Sharon may have urged Ozzy to it so who knows but I think Ozzy should get a fair slice. Seems they're all just hurt now & clutching a last desperate time to get what they can as I think they both know Sabbath will never re-unite again originally which sucks for us fans.
Greed? I'm not sure as there are valid points on both ends. The thing is, Ozzy admitted that Iommi was welcome to the Black Sabbath name & "its on video", whether he meant it or not doesn't matter, its evidence against himself (dumbass) & Iommi could use it in court. (quick call Iommi now).
No doubt, the way Ozzy's case is projected is professionally conveyed, its well planned & typically aimed, 1st ask a ludicrous amount & then negotiate thereafter which could be tiresome & expensive anyway.
Ok, ill be myself now.
Fkng gay scenario man, some ppl just haven't got the balls to communicate anymore & hook up for beers cause their wives destroy any chance of that shit bro. Nag Nag fkng nag, thats all they do till they get their own fkng way the fkng bitches.
Anyway, Sharon may have saved Ozzy but it seems she used up the old fart for huge amounts of cash, just look what her dad did? BTW, they're both great artists/musicians actually all of them are, if you compare them, you're wasting precious listening time & no-ones gonna care about your opinions.
Just remain hopeful that the stress of this forecoming sue-case-court-battle, doesn't stress them old buggers out till the point of a coronary heart attack, that would suck man cause they'red be less awesome music around. See what all this shit does to ppl ? You wait, I reckon Ozzy might sing about this shit too on his next album.
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