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'New' FEAR FACTORY Lineup Cancels Debut Gig; Entire German Tour Called Off - June 21, 2009
According to Sergi Ramos of The Metal Circus, the much-anticipated debut performance by the new band calling itself FEAR FACTORY — featuring original FF members Dino Cazares (guitar) and Burton C. Bell (vocals) alongside bassist Byron Stroud (who played on the last two FEAR FACTORY albums in addition to touring and recording with STRAPPING YOUNG LAD and ZIMMERS HOLE) and legendary drummer Gene Hoglan (DETHKLOK, STRAPPING YOUNG LAD, DARK ANGEL, DEATH, TESTAMENT) — which was scheduled to take place earlier tonight (Sunday, June 21) at the Metalway Festival in Zaragoza, Spain was cancelled at the last minute, reportedly due to legal issues surrounding the use of the FEAR FACTORY name.

UPDATE: According to concert promoter Marek Lieberberg Konzertagentur GmbH & Co.KG, FEAR FACTORY's entire German tour — which was supposed to take place between August 3 and August 12 — has been called off. The other European dates appear to be in jeopardy as well.

In a June 14, 2009 appearance on the nationally syndicated radio program "Speed Freaks", FEAR FACTORY drummer Raymond Herrera stated about the band's current status, "[Guitarist Christian Olde Wolbers and I] actually still in FEAR FACTORY. There's a big legal battle going on right now. Essentially, what's happened is Dino and Burt have become friends again and they decided to start a new band, and furthermore, they decided to call it FEAR FACTORY. They never communicated with us about it, and they're acting like there was never any contract, but there's four members that are Fear Factory Incorporated — which is the four of us — so it's almost like them two against us two, so it's kind of a stalemate. Moving forward, I don't know what's gonna happen with the trademark, so to speak. It's kind of a weird situation, but it's not a situation that we created that was weird."

Regarding why Christian and Raymond aren't involved with the new FEAR FACTORY lineup, Bell told U.K.'s Metal Hammer magazine, "It's like a business and I'm just reorganizing. After time, you realize what's important and what's not important, and after talking to Dino again, it just felt good and it felt right."

When asked if he knew straight away that he wouldn't include Christian and Raymond in the new FEAR FACTORY lineup, Burton said, "It's part of the organization. We learned some things and we have a really good rapport with Byron, and Gene is an amazing drummer. Dino and I, as the founders of FEAR FACTORY, we thought, 'Hey, let's try this, a different flavor.' Because wherever me and Dino go, it'll still be FEAR FACTORY, I believe."

Dino added, "I've had many projects in the past and I've played with some of the best drummers in this form of music, from Roy Mayorga to Nick Barker, Tim Yeung, Joey Jordison, and now I'm playing with the king of this genre. How could I pass that up? How could anyone pass up a chance to play with Gene Hoglan?"

Dino's tenure with FEAR FACTORY ended in March 2002 after Bell announced his departure from the group, allegedly telling his bandmates at the time, "Look, guys, I'm not into it anymore, I don't wanna play in the band anymore, I don't wanna play with you guys, and I especially don't wanna play with you, Dino."

FEAR FACTORY eventually reformed without Dino and released two more studio albums, 2004's "Archetype" and 2005's "Transgression".

In a September 2007 interview with MTV.com, Cazares — who currently heads up a new band called DIVINE HERESY — stated about his former group, "In the long run, I believe I came out the winner, and I feel that they have bastardized the name, and it's a completely different band, different style. I definitely carried the passion in that band, and my riffs, my style, they were very distinctive. I don't regret anything I created in FEAR FACTORY whatsoever. It will be part of my memory for the rest of my life. I believe I am continuing the legacy and keeping this metal torch alive and bringing it back with DIVINE HERESY. You can feel the hunger and passion in DIVINE HERESY, which I believe FEAR FACTORY has been missing, and is still missing to this day."

ARKAEA — the new band featuring Wolbers and Herrera alongside vocalist Jon Howard (THREAT SIGNAL) and bassist Pat Kavanaugh (THREAT SIGNAL) — will release its debut album, "Years In The Darkness", on July 13 via E1 Music (formerly Koch Records).



Dino Cazares and Burton C. Bell (photographed in April 2008):
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COMMENT | Here we go....
 posted by : Argenmetal
6/21/2009 9:36:38 PM

burt dino...come on man you guys are not gonna have raymond in the band??? wtf dino you guys were together since the longest..
COMMENT | No wonder......
 posted by : jaxx101
6/21/2009 9:37:06 PM

anybody could of seen that. They sacked Raymond Herrera and Chrsitian and try to use the FF banner with out their permission. This will be a long legal matter. Poor guys....
COMMENT |
posted by : Thurteen
6/21/2009 9:39:28 PM

CALL IT ((((((((FACTORY OF FEAR)))))))))))
COMMENT | I hope...
 posted by : fearfactory4ever
6/21/2009 9:47:57 PM

I hope in the long run this doesn't end up just ruining alot of friendships/working relationships because of the name of a band.

I believe there is a way that Burt and Dino can go on and perform without having to use the name "Fear Factory" if they so desired to.. I personally don't believe in any way that the new "lineup" is in any way a "reformed" FF.

Anyway, I hope this isn't the beginning of a miserable period of time where the music suffers and the fans suffer just because of the name "Fear Factory"....

It seems that everyone is doing side projects and Burt got "hot to trot" and through with his other work with AOTW etc, so he's carrying on with FF redesigned...I don't necesserily know if this is true, but it just seems like everyones timing is off with the original lineup, so Burt is just replacing members with others....I guess we can all sit back and let everything unwind unfortunately...

Anyway...I guess one can hope that Burt and Dino are still friends...

FEARFACTORY4EVER...
COMMENT | Oh yeah...
 posted by : fearfactory4ever
6/21/2009 10:11:59 PM

I love that picture above with THe name Byron SHROUD???? WTF!!!
COMMENT |
posted by : stevensrangers
6/21/2009 10:20:19 PM

I wonder if some of you posting here are slowly figuring out that this band is and WAS a joke. Not real. All about money.
COMMENT | ^^^^^^^^^^^^
 posted by : stevensrangers
6/21/2009 10:20:34 PM

and now lack thereof
COMMENT |
posted by : DeadSkin Mask
6/21/2009 10:30:13 PM


Byron Shroud?

They might want to fix that...
COMMENT | Well, I'm afraid that does it...
 posted by : Stabbed in the Back
6/21/2009 10:31:05 PM

...Fear Factory is pretty much dead. And that's a fucking shame.
COMMENT |
posted by : ctd669
6/21/2009 10:33:28 PM

This is re goddamn diculous.
COMMENT | Come onnnnnnnnnnnnnn!
 posted by : EL PENDEJO
6/21/2009 10:37:31 PM

Let them tour under the name Fear Factory. It's gonna bet better than whatever you guys did with Transgression. If not then, call it Factory of Fear or even go the Heaven and Hell route and call it Demanufacture.
COMMENT | grrrr
 posted by : Effigy of Sin
6/21/2009 10:44:30 PM

this is also the reason why i didnt buy the australian tickets yet, u was doubtful that they would be able to carry on under the FF name without first addressing the situation with Raymond and the xerox machine. we'll have to sit this one out and see what happens
COMMENT | hockstedder27
 posted by : The Angel Ripper
6/21/2009 10:47:55 PM

HOCKSTEDDERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......you better becareful...you don't want fearfactory4ever to sick Orville Ketchum on your ass. He's 300 pounds of bad news.

COMMENT | gutted
 posted by : twistedfreak
6/21/2009 10:50:48 PM

Looks like they're going to cancel their show in NZ again.. ARGH! Last time they canceled when they were meant to come with Devildriver. How rude haha
COMMENT | fearfactory4ever
 posted by : hang-the-bastard
6/21/2009 11:00:21 PM

fear factory is for people who wear eye shadow and wear pantyhose. or drunk nerds who sit around on their computers all day using screen-names that have fear factory in them.
COMMENT | Cant say that i didnt see this coming
 posted by : Planet Piss
6/21/2009 11:23:33 PM

I thought Transgression and Archetype were fantastic albums, but im just a Fear Factory fan all in all. I think Dino and Burton should have thought this one out thoroughly, cause if there is a contract, then they have clearly breached it and they wont win. Its another GNR situation.

COMMENT |
posted by : madeinquebec
6/21/2009 11:41:07 PM

I've been a faithful fan and I loved "both" lineups so far and I loved all albums, including Transgression. Please don't pull a Gun's n Roses, guys. Either leave DINO out or keep everyone and get DINO as a 2nd (lead) guitarist. Hey, if Maiden have 3 guitarists, why not FF have two??! Or let Byron go back to a really cool project?? Or not... YOU figure it out.

((FF)) 2009, quit messing around guys.

Saw you guys with Gigantour a few years back and then you never came back to Canada. Guys, we're a pile of fans waiting for you. Make it right.
COMMENT | I know the real reason
 posted by : Post Toastee
6/21/2009 11:59:56 PM

Dino had a craving for Pink's and he just had to bolt.

http://www.pinkshollywood.com/
COMMENT | How many people?
 posted by : AbruisedAndDarkenedSoul
6/22/2009 12:37:12 AM

Would pay and buy a cd with the new FF line up. nuff said! we all would

and how many would buy it with shitty as guitar player cow in it. no one!

DH debut album sold 50k worldwide, is anyone going to say arkaea will even do that?
COMMENT | pantera all over again. . . .
posted by : HolyPlague
6/22/2009 12:41:59 AM

you guys. . . this is bad. . . next thing you know there's gonna be some loony like nathan gale who decides the fate of this great band. . . . hopefully not, but that's why yall need to bag this shit and get on without your pride. . . make up and start from scratch. . . burt/dino, just let it go. . . work out your differences before some asshole rushes the stage just like with dimebag man. . . this is by no means a threat as i love arkaea/fear factory/divine heresy. . . i just fear the worst for these guys. . . work it out guys. . . work it out. . . good luck!
COMMENT | profmacdaddy
 posted by : AbruisedAndDarkenedSoul
6/22/2009 12:47:43 AM

you are retarded if you think that is the reason they are not doing those gigs.
trust and believe the new FF will prevail!!!

it's funny that you say "seriously" ha
COMMENT | Due to the amount of lard that makes up this band..
 posted by : Jonatton.Yeah?
6/22/2009 1:13:11 AM

Why not just call it Fear Fattery and be done.
Simple.
COMMENT | Darkened Soul
 posted by : profmacdaddy
6/22/2009 1:27:19 AM

Hey, the story above and others prior to this are suggesting that proper legal use of the FF name is the reason these shows were canceled - I'm not spouting off some BS here. The reality is that Burt and Dino could potentially have to pay damages for each show they played as FF if they were eventually found to be in breach of their ownership contract. Rod Evans had to pay Deep Purple hundreds of thousands of dollars for improperly using the DP name in the early 80s - damages on top of what was earned from the shows.

I am serious that Burt and Dino should have seen this coming - how could you not? Dino and Burt were both previously involved in legalities over the FF name.

I would personally love to see the "new" Burt/Dino version of FF perform, but the fact is that they have to have a legal right to the name. Maybe they know about a loophole in the contract that allows them to use the name, but frankly these cancelled shows don't bode well. The bottom line is that it doesn't matter who any of us think is the "better" or more "true" version of FF - this is a legal matter.
COMMENT |
posted by : Ice Devil
6/22/2009 2:36:50 AM

They should just rename themselves "Obsolete".. and then breakup.
COMMENT | c'mon guys...
 posted by : nicpraxis
6/22/2009 2:43:50 AM

did you ear the new arkaea song? it's horrible!!!
COMMENT | !!!
 posted by : Doros78
6/22/2009 2:58:19 AM

Very good band and i hope they can work something out.
but usually bands end up being about money more then art because the guys get older and need more money to support their families wich they didnt have before, and its gets maybe also more difficult to travel as much because of families. but still it usualy starts to go bad when bands start to be more about money then art and the they probably end up getting less money. they should try just to keep name alltogether out of this but this seems to be about money because they are trying to use the name Fear factory to get some money or the record company is or whatever.
its not the first time it happens and not the last.
and i havent head Arkea or anything by the other bands they are in but still people try to have open mind for the new stuff too, we have the old stuff and can listen to it when we want too, so lets give the new stuff a change and its still better to have some new stuff then nothing right??? and why make the same album twice????
COMMENT | Serves Dino and especially Burton right
 posted by : Daryl_Zed
6/22/2009 3:34:13 AM

For being backstabbing bastards.
I like FF a lot but it's such a shame that a couple of their members are such complete scumbags.
COMMENT | Pullthetrigger
 posted by : Daryl_Zed
6/22/2009 3:37:08 AM

Ray had an affair with Cow's wife and yet they're still friends and playing together in ARKAEA??? Sounds like BULLSHIT to me.
COMMENT | BURTON IS ALSO A HYPOCRITE
 posted by : Daryl_Zed
6/22/2009 3:40:22 AM

And that's UNDISPUTABLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy14Omrhoz8

"There's so much violence, there's so much aggression in this world already and I'm almost kind of tired of adding to it, even though there's more to Fear Factory than that, it's very angry and it's very almost violent music and I feel I've refined myself as a person through life and I've learned a lot, I'm not the angry young kid anymore, I'm a 39 year old man with children and if that doesn't change you, there's something wrong with you".


Watch him there saying how he "OVERCAME" Fear Factory and how he was gonna go on making music with Ascension of the Watchers ONLY, because he was "mature" and "had kids" now and how FF's music was "too violent" for him and he never wanted to play it again as that would "add to the violence of the World". He also said that if when you're 39 and have kids you still listen to aggressive music there's "something wrong with you". HA!
THEN ASCENSION OF THE WATCHERS tanks and VOILA!! He goes back to "violent music" (There must be something WRONG with him according to his own words HAHA!) and BACKSTABS the two people who helped him keeping the FEAR FACTORY NAME ALIVE.
What GREAT person eh? Him and Dino should be ashamed of themselves.
Of course MUSICALLY SPEAKING the new FF (Or whatever they're gonna call it if they don't get the name) is gonna RULE, but as people Burton and Dino should be ASHAMED of themselves.
COMMENT | okey dokey, here goes...
 posted by : Heinous Anus
6/22/2009 3:48:54 AM

1. There is nothing wrong with the new Arkaea song. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

2.I also enjoyed Transgression. I may be the only person left alive who did so.

3.Any band called "Strapping Young Lad" without Devin Townsend is a joke, a travesty.

4. This is ridiculous. It's always Burt and Dino affecting the line up of FF in oneway or another. They need to sort themselves out.

5. All I really want from this band in all honesty is for them to get back together, the original line up, and give us another Demanufacture or Obsolete. That'd make my year.
COMMENT | CANTHELPMYSELF
 posted by : Daryl_Zed
6/22/2009 3:52:47 AM

SPEAKS THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COMMENT | Heinous Anus
 posted by : Daryl_Zed
6/22/2009 3:55:21 AM

I FULLY agree.
COMMENT | Play on the 'real' albums' titles
 posted by : Ancient Mariner
6/22/2009 5:20:17 AM

Call the new version "Soul of the Old Machine" or Remanufacture
COMMENT | my two pennies worth
 posted by : stgeorge666
6/22/2009 5:21:46 AM

profmacdaddy is absolutely correct. how could Burt and Dino not see this coming? to continue the Fear Factory name without the consent of two existing members, also whilst touring under that name while the other two existing members are frozen out??? its like Maiden going out on tour with just Bruce and Dave Murray and freezing out Nicko and Steve Harris. what a load of bullshit

this is such a shame, the Fear Factory name and rights will be fought in court, with Burton and Dino losing out, as they never asked the 2 other co-existing members.

as for you 'itsallcookiecuttermusic'..shut the fuck up. youre even laughing at your own posts!!! youre not even slightly humourous. fuckwit..
COMMENT | Umm..
 posted by : Iced-Earth
6/22/2009 6:40:29 AM

I FUCKING LOATH THAT PIG DINO CAZARES!

LET'S BURN HIM TO THE STAKE! WHO'S WITH ME?
COMMENT |
posted by : TheGreyArea
6/22/2009 6:43:14 AM

fuck it Dino

focus on Divine Heresy. It's a bigger step forward. Besides. Tim Yeung. Nuff said
COMMENT |
posted by : AdzofKALEB
6/22/2009 8:12:20 AM

RAYMOND HERRERA IS FEAR FACTORY. BOOM!
COMMENT | HAHAHAHAHA
 posted by : kurtz_kommand
6/22/2009 10:08:44 AM

Fear Factory are the new Gorgoroth. LOLOLOLOL.....What a bunch of douchebags. Fear Factory's first album was the best, everything after is shite.

COMMENT | uh huh
 posted by : LordofSalem
6/22/2009 10:24:32 AM

Try MacDonald's

Ha!
COMMENT | Out of control it seems
 posted by : xmr
6/22/2009 10:31:21 AM

These guys need therapy
COMMENT | Divine Heresy is total crap. Huge crap.
 posted by : machinedead
6/22/2009 10:38:27 AM

How Dino can even release that boring crap is crappy, to say the least. Now trashing the name of Fear Factory, another crappy band he was in, makes things extremely crappy. Crappy Factory. Crabby Patty.
COMMENT |
posted by : scrapz
6/22/2009 12:31:04 PM

To be honest none of us really know whats going on at the is point. Now its basically hear say. IMO what I get from this is very simple. There were disagreements in the new Music that COW and Ray wrote (Which Ray indicated in his interview) and Burt obviously felt that he wanted to continue FF and Ray and COW weren't going to do it without him obviously. So he felt that since he was friends again with Dino that he could continue on and obviously Ray is not going to play with Dino. So now you have this mess. I sure hope they fix it because this was great band and I would really hate to see it go down the tubes.
COMMENT |
posted by : runestomymemory
6/22/2009 12:46:49 PM

the only good album with Dino is "Soul of A New Machine"

i like archetype alot and thought getting rid of DIno was the best thing that ever happened to them.
COMMENT |
posted by : runestomymemory
6/22/2009 12:51:36 PM

dino's attitude sucks too. one time at show he wouldnt sign an autograph for a kid cuz he wanted to get on the bus eat his fat ass to death. true story. he just an onto the bus with a plate of food in his hand and wouldnt sign the autograph,
COMMENT |
posted by : Hallowed Point
6/22/2009 2:46:29 PM

Good albums are: Soul of a new machine, Demanufacture, Obsolete, Archetype. Mediocre albums are: Digimortal and Transgression.
COMMENT | The real Flight of the Conchords
 posted by : Ollock
6/22/2009 3:31:11 PM

It reminds me of the episode of Flight of the Conchords where they form 2 bands!
COMMENT | AbruisedAndDarkenedSoul
 posted by : misery6
6/23/2009 3:20:21 PM

is just a tool. He's dino's little bitch actually. His name is maniaco. He is always on here talking shit about everyone except dino cause he works and is friends with dino. DH sucks! Dino should stick to Asesino man! That was a good band! Fear Factory died when digimortal came out.



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