NUGENT: 'It's Independence Day, But Only For Those Of Us Who Refuse To Be Eaten By Fedzilla'
- July 4, 2009
Legendary rocker Ted Nugent has penned the following "Fourth Of July" essay:
"As the stunned and defeated British army marched out of Yorktown, their band appropriately played the song 'A World Turned Upside Down'.
"Our forefathers pledged their lives and fortunes to fight and defeat the world's mightiest army and give birth to America. Our victory over King George was the greatest military upset in the annals of human history. George Washington believed our amazing victory was a result of divine providence.
"The dream of limited government, personal freedom and liberty, rugged individualism, and self-sufficiency that our forefathers fought and died for is rapidly disappearing in 2009. It is once again a world turned upside down.
"Our federal government is turning into the very type of heavy-handed, unaccountable, and disrespectful government our forefathers despised, fought against, and warned us to avoid. Too few Americans know and appreciate this critically important piece of American history. Shame on them.
"Instead of heeding the warnings of our forefathers, we have embraced big government and both political parties have been more than happy to give it to us over the past 45 years, thereby making us more dependent on Fedzilla β the federal beast with a voracious appetite for our tax dollars, and intentionally creating dependency and control. We are once again becoming subjects, not citizens.
"Fedzilla is the most unresponsive, unaccountable, bloated and ineffective bureaucratic nightmare the world has ever witnessed. It punishes the producers and risk-takers while rewarding the simpletons it has conned into believing it is helping. Fedzilla is the enemy of the free market and freedom.
"Instead of allowing the free market to correct itself, Fedzilla meddles in the free market and makes things worse. I give you Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Using our tax dollars, Fedzilla has purchased General Motors, and bailed out AIG and other financial institutions.
"Fedzilla pushed through an unauthorized trillion-dollar economic stimulus bill that not one elected representative read before voting on it. Regardless what legal nuance or loophole some Fedzillacrat lawyer could point to in our constitution or court decision that allows for such grotesque meddling and spending, I adamantly believe this level of federal meddling and control was not the dream of our forefathers.
"And guess what? Itβs not working. Our economy would recover more and faster if Congress repealed the phony 'stimulus' and get out of the way of free market capitalism.
"In the latest of initiatives that 'we must solve immediately,' President Obama wants to Fedzillarize the health-care industry. Placing your health and trust in the bureaucratic hands of Fedzilla is analogous to asking a drunk driver for a ride. Fedzilla will destroy your health. It creates cancer, does not cure it.
"We are witnessing what large government will do to its citizens and to itself if left virtually unchecked. Due to unsustainable and out-of-control 'budgets,' the state of California is on verge of a financial meltdown. Other states such as New York are not far behind. Fedzilla will ultimately collapse under its own weight because the socialism model it is built upon is ultimately unsustainable. However, the social, economic, and cultural carnage it will cause to America until it collapses will be catastrophic. Free men and women are horrified.
"Higher taxes and more government ultimately lead to economic genocide. Alternatively, lower taxes, less government, and more independence lead to prosperity for all who are willing to take advantage of it. Our forefathers who threw the tea over the side of the ship in Boston Harbor knew this. The people who attended the Tea Parties this past April know it. Do you?
"Sometime during your Dependence Day celebration, you should take a few moments and read the Declaration of Independence aloud to your children, relatives and guests. Read it slowly and let the words sink in. When finished, reflect for a moment on our forefathers who bravely signed their names to it, thereby signing their own death warrant.
"Think about that. They were willing to die for the chance at limited federal government, independence, freedom and liberty. They didn't fight and die for freedom so you could have Fedzilla housing, food, transportation and health care.
"To my fellow Americans who still cherish the dream of our founding fathers, I wish you a wonderful and Happy Independence Day. To those of you who are willing to compromise your liberty and freedom in the hopes that Fedzilla will provide you an artificial blanket of security, enjoy your Dependence Day.
"I'm a free man β a citizen, not a subject β who still hears the distant ringing of the Liberty Bell. Don't tread on me and I won't be forced to Ted on you. Be forewarned: push me too far at your own peril."
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COMMENT | posted by : Brutal Judgement 7/4/2009 3:41:12 PM
Not sup[rised to see a little of his jackassery today.
He doesnt complain about illegal wars,thats a pretty big government out of control. Or the bank bailout...oh wait,because his little fav Bush was doing that stuff.
What a douche. And it seems he only went that way when people stopped caring about his music. Or did people stop caring for him because of acting like a douche?
COMMENT | This has been going on forever! posted by : metaladdict666 7/4/2009 3:41:29 PM
I used to believe in our political process, but not any more.
All of these elected civil servants need to get off the gravy train & go spend more time in their respective states, & We The People need to demand shortened term limits on every position in our government no matter how much we like someone!
Are you one of the simpleton's nuge is writing about? In case you did not notice, what he wrote was non-partisan. The federal govenment is out of control (thanks to both democrats AND republicans). Take off your blinders and notice what is going on.
You are a prime example of what Alexander Hamilton wrote about in The Federalist Papers when he admonished that only property owners be accorded the right to vote.
Freedom and Liberty is being trampled and instead of noticing it, and acting accordingly, you whine about something that a washed up celebrity opined...........incredible.
Obama wouldnt be where hi is if not for the media that put him there, Dem's were in control of the first bailout, remember it got voted down the first time because the rep. wouldnt vote on it, but the dem's finally voted it thru, you people watch tooooo much of all the Liberal media, that is the problem with the young amaricans today, they ae brain washed by CNN, and the other shit media that put Obama in the house!!!!
COMMENT | So easy. posted by : metalmaho 7/4/2009 4:18:44 PM
It's so easy for Ted to spout off his rhetoric from his huge ranch in Michigan. He made his money. He just doesn't wanna come off a little of it to help the downtrodden. Capitalism is great but too many assholes are greedy theives.
COMMENT | posted by : Bruno2k5 7/4/2009 4:21:04 PM
you can move then Ted
COMMENT | Another redneck millionaire who thinks he knows everything... posted by : clipperofwings 7/4/2009 4:30:07 PM
This economic crisis is a direct result of de-regulation that has been going on since Reagan, and was perpetuated by the Bush administration for the last 8 years. You think this shit will be solved in 6 months? Grow up and get some logic skills. As far as the health care goes....this is the typical opinion of a rich celebrity who only wants healthcare available to people like him - never mind all the working-class shmucks who get screwed, right? Hey asshole, if you're so patriotic maybe you shouldn't be such a Bush/Cheney supporter - considering the fact that they were both draft dodgers and weaseled their way out of going to war when they had their chance to serve. Oh that's right, SO DID YOU. Fuck off and die you hypocritical pussy. You're music is a joke too.
COMMENT | Out of control posted by : twistedvincent 7/4/2009 4:39:50 PM
I love Ted because he's not afraid to speak the truth.Obama and the democrats are going to drive our country further into the ground.With Frankin now elected I'm truly frightened for my home,the United States. Our media is INCREDIBLY liberal and our citizens buy right into it.....they actually think what's on the network news is true! I hate to say it but I think most people WANT to be lazy and taken care of here in the US but they're not thinking of the long term ramifications.
I'm really afraid.......
P.S. The new Goatwhore is incredible.
COMMENT | clipper of wings posted by : nawlij 7/4/2009 4:43:26 PM
Nice try, but wrong answer. The seeds of the current crisis were planted in 1978 by Jimmy Carter and fertilized by Bill Clinton in the name of the Community Re-Investment acts. Banks were forced to write marginal/bad loans in the name of helping the poor. The problem is that these were loans that were given to people who did not have means of paying them back.
Then Barney Frank and Chris Dodd utilized Fannie and Freddie to be a de facto insurer.
Now, put yourself into the shoes of the banks that "owned" this bad paper. They had to create a way to mitigate these potenital liabilities. Thus they created CDO's to hide the bad loans. When institutions that purchased these CDO's were upside down, they claimed the "insurance" from AIG and Fannie/Freddie. This created the current financial crisis.
Please check your facts before you lay blame where it does not belong.
COMMENT | Clipper of Wings posted by : nawlij 7/4/2009 4:49:06 PM
And oh, btw, nationalized health care is unconstitutional...."health and "welfare" are the responsibility of the individual state, not the national government. But, I am sure you are aware of that.
COMMENT | Go Ted! posted by : troybarwick 7/4/2009 4:49:54 PM
Ted 2012 !!!
COMMENT | oh well posted by : jplanet 7/4/2009 5:03:59 PM
Breaking news: Ted Nugent is an outspoken fiscal/social conservative.
In related news, water has been reported to be wet.
COMMENT | the nuge posted by : workingman52070 7/4/2009 5:08:35 PM
kind of like the patriot act(no one read that either)take your politics and stick um where the sun dont shine,its easy to get on a soapbox when you have$$$$$$ thats all these people care about is money
I saw Styx live once (don't shoot me) and Dennis DeYoung had the best advice I think I've ever heard. I remember it to this day.
"The next time some actor or rock star tells you what to think, tell them to fuck off."
Truer words have rarely been spoken.
COMMENT | workingman posted by : nawlij 7/4/2009 5:25:07 PM
I am pretty sure the patriot act was read many times, especially since it is basically the RICO statues applied towards entities not the mafia.
If you want to criticize the Patriot Act, fine, but criticize RICO as well which is a democrat invention............
COMMENT | posted by : rufus_creampie 7/4/2009 5:51:03 PM
Funny... I have a personal health plan that I pay $152 a month for AND I DON'T WANT GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE REFORM!
//not a Republican either
COMMENT | It would be poetic justice posted by : DRUNKEN_SLOB 7/4/2009 5:52:58 PM
poetic justice would be if this asshole , Ted Nugent, would be shot to death, just my opinion, thank you!
COMMENT | nawlij posted by : workingman52070 7/4/2009 5:54:55 PM
I didn't criticize the patriot act I made a comparison,I criticized ted nugent for being a total douche and divider on the 4th.Sooner or later you and the fox news crowd are going to come to the realization that 8 years of Bush didn't work, maybe we need something different.Im a registered independent that will vote gop when they run a candidate that's for real.By the way I can criticize any thing I want its in the constitution.
COMMENT | Hard to argue with the truth. posted by : THRASHMONGER 7/4/2009 6:00:38 PM
Liberal crybabies deflect with off-topic crap.
I pity you.
Do some homework. Read something other than this site now and again. Even if you still disagree, that's fine, just be able to back yourselves up with facts rather than foot-stomping tantrums.
COMMENT | Hahahaha posted by : Jtull 7/4/2009 6:03:17 PM
"Our victory over King George was the greatest military upset in the annals of human history. George Washington believed our amazing victory was a result of divine providence."
That's right, Ted, and 'Craveman' was the biggest selling rock album in history! You fucking clown, you!
COMMENT | write a song or something... posted by : dznutz 7/4/2009 6:06:13 PM
wait, you can't do that. Douche
COMMENT | The Revolutionary War posted by : Calles 7/4/2009 6:08:01 PM
was a war but the eventual result was not a free country but instead a hidden corporation overseen by the British Government. Everything else since then has, to some sorts, been for show. Sounds a bit out there but...the debts get called in this October. We, and the UK, will go through the insolvency crisis that Iceland and Zimbabwe know too well.
COMMENT | Pedzilla speaks but does anyone really listen? posted by : painkiller30 7/4/2009 6:10:40 PM
The only people who actually listen to this guy are the poor, the uneducated, and hillbilly inbred retards who live in Crawford, Texas or are from Wasilla, Alaska.
Look ma Ted the Ped is talking politics so it must be da truth, duh.
COMMENT | After reading the article posted by : Calles 7/4/2009 6:11:22 PM
I have to say, they've taken their stance. They've built the camps, waiting for the right time to throw you in them. Or let you go there.
What's your stance? Everybody gotta die sometime.
COMMENT | nawlij posted by : Aces_High99 7/4/2009 6:23:23 PM
Wow, nice right-wing hatchet rant.
Jimmy Carter? Check. Bill Clinton? Check. Barney Frank? Check. Chris Dodd? Check.
You managed to name-drop just about every bogus Republican bogeyman, but you forgot to work in George Soros, Al Franken and the "librul media", so I have to dock you a few points.
The fact is that the seed of this meltdown were sown with Reaganomics and his constant refrain of less regulation, which managed to infect both parties over the years.
The fact is that, far from being the liberal caricature that Republicans make him out to be, Clinton was a conservative, corporate Democrat who put corporate stooges like Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers in charge of the Treasury.
Couple that with unbridled right-wing nuts like former Texas Senator Phil Gramm, who is probably more responsible than any other individual for this meltdown through his ramming through Gramm-Leach-Bliley, which repealed the Glass-Steagal Act and paved the way for these massive "too big to fail" investment banks taking over our government.
And of course Gramm also rammed through the Commodity Futures Modernization Act in 2000, which allowed for the entire credit default swap market to be completely un-regulated.
And of course, Gramm's wife cashed in on this piece of legislation soon after, being granted a seat on the board of Enron. This was Gramm's "thank you" for his years of pushing radical market de-regulation.
So this is a bipartisan crisis, through and through. The real villains are pro-corporate, radical de-regulation proponents like Phil Gramm, Robert Rubin, Lawrence Summers and Alan Greenspan.
Unfortunately Obama, far from being a socialist, or even a liberal, is YET ANOTHER corporate Democrat, as evidenced by his tapping of Summers and Geithner, two Wall St. henchmen who do the bidding of capitalist behemoths like Goldman and Citi.
Frankly, I wish Obama WAS a tough liberal in the mold of FDR, and put in some regulations with real teeth and sent these corporate criminals to prison for life, but alas, he is not.
Of course that won't stop pitiful right-wingers from whining about how liberal Obama is, but that's just pure alarmist idiocy, as the facts show.
While I agree sometimes Ted goes too far, this essay was spot on. The Obama administration is a travesty and downright scary. Glad that some on here see the writing on the wall; of course you can't expect many in the music world to understand. From what I've observed, most fellow musicians are at best ignorant when it comes to anything related to economics and history, and at worst, uneducated kool-aid drinkers. And yet the best most of you assclown leftists on this site can do is make some comments about Bush, Palin, etc...instead of addressing any real issues. Typical, but what can one expect from the uneducated masses that make up the majority of the blabbermouth crowd.
COMMENT | Ehhh... posted by : priestfan88 7/4/2009 6:29:06 PM
while I agree with Ted on some of the points, I'm just getting flat out tired of his boring, predictable, red, white, and blue wankery. Sorry Ted, Independence Day should be recognized yes, but I'm not one of those 'people' who get all choked up at the sight of an American flag, or a Bible....or an M-16...
COMMENT | @fris9... posted by : priestfan88 7/4/2009 6:33:07 PM
please enlighten me as to how the Obama administration is any more scary or embarrassing to America than the Bush Administration? Because apparently, you've been locked up in your parents basement for the last eight years. Perhaps you should take Dave Mustaine's advice, and look up the "Endgame" document signed into law by good 'ol Dubya.
COMMENT | fris9 posted by : Aces_High99 7/4/2009 6:36:10 PM
So what exactly was uneducated about my post? Could you please go point-by-point and refute what I wrote?
By the way, I am far from a leftist. Obama is the first Democrat I've ever voted for, only because he was "less bad" than McCain/Palin.
Although I like Obama personally and approve of some of what he's done, I had no illusions that he would really bring the "change" that so many of his blind worshippers bought into.
You don't get to be President in this country without genuflecting before the powers that be. That's why REAL change agents like Ron Paul or Ralph Nader will NEVER get the massive corporate backing needed to buy an election.
COMMENT | posted by : Persecutorxx 7/4/2009 6:42:27 PM
While lighting my bottle rocket I will curse your name.
Fuck you, ted nugent.
COMMENT | fris9 lives in a mental fog^^. posted by : painkiller30 7/4/2009 6:44:03 PM
1. Bush and his neo-con goons lied to the American people and started a trillion dollar war in Iraq.
2. Tell us fris how many American soldiers and Iraqi people have died as a result of Bush's foreign policies?
3. Bush tried to stop terrorism?? Doubt it he probably created more terrorists because I am guessing the Iraqi people who have lost family members are going to want revenge.
4.Bush as stated above started the bailouts.
5. Obama has been in office for 6 months so how in the hell is he supposed to turn things around in that amount of time??
6. Right-wing stubborn and stone hearted people like you should get counselling because your delusions about the current political and economic state of the United States and the world are scary.
COMMENT | Nawlij posted by : BrainRotMenacer 7/4/2009 7:25:45 PM
Please educate yourself about the Community Reinvestment Act. It ENCOURAGED banks to give loans to low- to middle-income individuals/families by alleviating some of the more difficult credit issues that normally would not have allowed them to get loans. Not one bank was ever forced to do anything.
Anybody who defends or even LIKES this worthless piece of shit should be castrated along with him.
COMMENT | funny posted by : cbrax 7/4/2009 9:31:30 PM
seems like a lot of the more liberal posters on here are the ones being dividers, with comments like wishing Nugent to shut up, have him castrated or even die, telling "nawlij" he's a douche simply because he's arguing from a conservative point of view. I thought the liberals were supposed to be for freedom of speech and expression and it's the crazy "neo-cons" that suppress anti-government protests. doesn't seem like it here.
"good for you if you have concerns about a Republican administration - speak out and speak up. concerns about a Democratic administration - shut up."
you can disagree with Nugent all you want, that's fine, but what he is saying is anti-establishment which is usually what liberals embrace, is it not? read what he said and agree or disagree. it's healthy. but posting that he should shut up, move, or die shows your true ignorance.
oh, and by the way BrainRotMenacer, the Community Investment Act is a LAW, so this "encouragement" of banks to loan to those who would normally be unqualified is the same as the "encouragement" to not steal. It's a freakin' LAW, dummy.
and Another Generic Username 666 - are you saying that members of the mafia that are US citizens should have different laws? really? we should be able to get information and use it differently for this group of people? be careful going down that road....
COMMENT | I dunno..... posted by : rous 7/4/2009 9:41:14 PM
.....free heatlh care is pretty kick ass in Canada. Can't get why Americans think it's a bad idea. But I guess only the rich ones who can afford privatized hc are against it. They want to be at the front of the line for everything, including life.
Pathetic whiney babies.
COMMENT | health care posted by : cbrax 7/4/2009 9:51:00 PM
actually, rous, it can take years to get an MRI in Canada. it's not about wanting to be at the front of the line, it's about not wanting to be in a 3 year line and then get sub-standard care once you get to the front.
there is nothing wrong with questioning the government if you think it is over-reaching into the private sector. obviously it's a different point of view than yours, but that doesn't mean that anyone who disagrees with you is pathetic "whiney" babies.
generalized name calling does mean that you are an ignorant dick, though.
COMMENT | posted by : gocubs1815 7/4/2009 9:56:23 PM
The thing I love about Uncle Ted: EVERYONE IS ACCOUNTABLE!
COMMENT | Note the difference in responses.... posted by : rozy157 7/4/2009 10:18:04 PM
In response to Ted's well thought out, and non-partison opinion, the simpleton liberal buffoons he's talking about retort in nothing but name calling and profanity. Thanks for proving his point. I'm guessing he must have hit a sore spot for lots of folks who must have fit his description.
"You can't fix stupid"
COMMENT | posted by : rufus_creampie 7/4/2009 10:27:16 PM
"Unfortunately Obama, far from being a socialist, or even a liberal..."
I actually put my house up for rent and I'm LEAVING THE COUNTRY because I refuse to pledge allegiance to the hammer and sickle under this administration.
COMMENT | THis puke posted by : DRUNKEN_SLOB 7/4/2009 10:34:50 PM
this puke should be rittled and shot to death by an ak 47 from an Crip or Blood. Stick a bullet in this gun loving asshole.
COMMENT | Gotta agree with Ted posted by : MetalTimJ 7/4/2009 10:46:48 PM
The free market is free, if you count the system iteself being for sale. Thus, it's not free, and in fact it's a rigged system to mutually benefit the legislators and powerful interests. Then, when something bad happens, they use it as a power grab, to make the govt. that fucked up in the first place even bigger, or they simply insult us all with an "independent" commission of the same cronies that presided over the faillure to begin with. Washington is a show, and largely a bunch of stooges for the military/security industrial complex, the banksters, and other big interests. Obama is but new imagery- his policies are 98% the same as W. The two party system is a good cop, bad cop facade, with the bad cop always being the ones in power. We "throw the bums out" and get the same shit with a new face over and over.
COMMENT | he is 60 yrs old posted by : DRUNKEN_SLOB 7/4/2009 10:48:19 PM
60 yrs old of old ideas>
That puke willdie soon he is old so why shoot him? Save you bullets from the AR 15 and 357 Magunum. THis Liberal love guns and I hate the NRA!
COMMENT | De-regulation posted by : MetalTimJ 7/4/2009 11:02:20 PM
wasn't really the problem. There were plenty of regulatory bodies that could have stepped in, but didn't. Why, because those people aren't as smart as the people actually doing things. If they were, they wouldn't have been beauracrats. The problem with hoping regulators will do something is that they are always a step behind at best, and complicit in creating loopholes for exploitation by their financiers at worst. I'm not saying there should be anarchy, but unless we all step up, and create more of a "real time" regulatory body by being responsible for ourselves and what goes on around us, bad things will keep happening. The legislators can't predict the future, and so can never write perfect legislation. Putting things in the hands of the govt. inevitably costs more, is less effective and takes longer cause they are detached from where things are happening, and removes personal freedom because the legislators are trying to come up with some blanket statement for how lots and lots of people should live their lives.
COMMENT | zERO posted by : DRUNKEN_SLOB 7/4/2009 11:08:36 PM
No need to worry, your mother is showing me " Proper Grammer", I especially like it when she discussed human anatomy and points to her vagina!. I would eat it but it smells bad, that is why I suck on your 3rd world country sister!
COMMENT | President Zero posted by : DRUNKEN_SLOB 7/4/2009 11:15:55 PM
Dont be angry at me cause I fuckked your momma. She was sorta hot for a right wing lunatic and I was also drunk! I list I dont pick up guys in airports like your Family Values Senators. Right wing republicant asshole.
COMMENT | riotact666 posted by : And Then There Were None 7/4/2009 11:20:18 PM
hey, dude, you DON'T LIKE Obama?
wow.
i thought you'd thing he was a "class act."
sorry, i had to.
cheers.
COMMENT | robotbot is a follower posted by : DRUNKEN_SLOB 7/4/2009 11:32:15 PM
perky , wimpy, little good two shoes, that always goes with the flow. byt the Way, President's zeros's mother is performing fellatio on on me , while he is typing in his mother's basement.! Suck on that!
COMMENT | Government Lovers.... posted by : nawlij 7/4/2009 11:32:54 PM
You lefties sure do have a lot of hate in your hearts. Someone tries to have a reasoned debate with you and you resort to name calling.......class move.
I was thinking about you all in my heated pool tonight watching the fireworks while enjoying my Arturo Fuente Canones and Evan Williams 18 year old.
I imagine that the over 700 families that depend on me for their jobs are glad that I do not indulge in the self loathing and the pity party that you all seem so enraptured in.
COMMENT | President Zero posted by : DRUNKEN_SLOB 7/4/2009 11:37:58 PM
Libertarians are milita , white supremacist assholes , who have never seen diverstity in thier inbred lives. I bet you are the offspring of your mother and uncle, it is obvious with your stupidous ramblings. No and I dont cut yards, Your sister does for me after I buy her a Milwakees Best,. they call int the breakfast of rednecks who disguise themselves as Libetarians. Ron Paul "" LOL
COMMENT | Libetarians and their tax hating ways posted by : DRUNKEN_SLOB 7/4/2009 11:39:57 PM
If it wasn't for taxes your momma's depends would not get supsidized with govt taxes.
COMMENT | wow posted by : rous 7/5/2009 12:55:21 AM
where did all the juvenile anger come from, gents? Gimme a break. Have a Crown Royal and relax, muthafuckaz.
Yes, it is a fact that those in Canada who have socialized health care have to wait longer than those south of the border who can afford privatized health care, but what about those that can't afford it on their own dime? Are they to be lef to the wolves?
And to the jackass who says when they get to the front of the line that they get substandard care, I'd like to know your sources, cause they ain't good ones. I have had fantastic health care. And everyone I know would agree.
Who is this piece of shit point zero something something that keeps insulting people for having a differing opinion than his? Fuck off, and get a life. All of your posts say nothing but insult those whose opinion differs from yours. You are useless in a discussion.
COMMENT | First of all... posted by : Inferius 7/5/2009 1:06:41 AM
Happy Independence Day from Canada, America.
Secondly,
Obama is not a socialist. Americans wouldn't know a socialist if one stepped up and slapped them in the face. They guy is very pro-business, and ALL American politicians are pro-big government. Think about it, it'd be damn-near impossible for America, one of the richest, most powerful countries on the planet to have a small government.
You want socialism? Go to Sweden. There's not a single party between both Canada and the United States that goes that far with their platforms, save maybe the NDP. Maybe.
COMMENT | right wingers on parole posted by : DRUNKEN_SLOB 7/5/2009 1:40:04 AM
Right wingers on paradeE Bring your shameless senators, your oxycontin abusing drug addicts, your senators that hit on pplon restrooms, your loving governors who resign in shame,, especially in Alalska! IN other words fuck you!
I agree fully. As a socialist, I find it personally offensive when Dittohead wingnuts like to paintbrush Obama as a socialist. It offends true socialists.
COMMENT | IF Rush Libaughts kidneys fail posted by : DRUNKEN_SLOB 7/5/2009 1:47:02 AM
If Rush Lardbutss kidney's fail, who are the mindless, dickless, cuntservaties going to be brainswhashed with? Mcain, Palin, H AA HAA HA!
COMMENT | President Zero posted by : DRUNKEN_SLOB 7/5/2009 2:23:25 AM
I bet you have never had a date in you 30 something life> You spend all your time watching FAUx news, and Rush Larbutt! Get out and see that there is a world out thereQ
COMMENT | President you are flawed Big time posted by : CutThroat 7/5/2009 3:01:22 AM
that report you posted, which was a story on the hugely bias website NewsMax has been passed around in emails to help garner up support for people to go after universal health care yet it has been ripped to shreds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_and_American_health_care_systems_compared http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
I find it interesting that the study failed to include the US you failed to mention this. Had the US been included, you of course would have come in 33rd.
"Life expectancy is longer in Canada, and its infant mortality rate is lower than that of the U.S., but there is debate about the underlying causes of these differences. One commonly cited comparison, the World Health Organization's ratings of "overall health service performance", published in 2000, which used a "composite measure of achievement in the level of health, the distribution of health, the level of responsiveness and fairness of financial contribution", ranked Canada 30th and the U.S. 37th among 191 member nations. This study rated the US "responsiveness", or quality of service, as 1st, compared with 7th for Canada".
Finally, when it comes to highest per capita spending, I of course already touched on the reason above with regard to how spread out Canadians are and how many Canadians live in remote areas of the country. Even so, had the US been included, we would not have been able to hold a candle to you.
"The U.S. spends much more on health care than Canada, both on a per-capita basis and as a percentage of GDP.[5] In 2006, per-capita spending for health care in the U.S. was US$6,714; in Canada, US$3,678.[5] The U.S. spent 15.3% of GDP on health care in that year; Canada spent 10.0%."
Yet you still have 47 million Americans without insurance.
I could go on and on but you have to get back to FreeRepublic.com and I have to go live my life because if I had to deal with you anymore I would put a bullet in my brain.
On a side note I laughed at your assessment of Limbaugh and their growing viewership and how that some how means they are telling the truth. Just because you have a large viewership doesn't mean JACK when it comes to if they are being truthful and serving the public good. many studies along with a very informative documentary called, "outfoxed" would prove otherwise. I do laugh as you some how are trying to draw that parallel and assume that is the case. When someone does that automatically it proves they have zero rational and logical skills when it comes to anything. Ironically your name is Zero so it is fitting.
I am sure you are like everybody else out there and getting forward after forward from whoever and believing it as fact or hitting up the big sites like Foxnews or NewsMax and spreading whatever truth you hear their as fact. That is by far the worst thing you can do for society and really shows a lack of intelligence and initiative on your part when it comes to wanting to know the real truth or at least something as close to it as possible. People who strive for knowledge, which obviously you don't, ask questions and push thought processes into new directions and don't believe what they hear at first glance.
I have no interest in taking either the GOP or Democratic failboat side because to me both of them DO NOT service society in any shape or form. IT is the have vs the have nots and right now they have the power and people just sit back and let it happen. People like yourself and others are to caught up in the "who is right game" that no one can get pass their egos to actually HELP society. But that is what they want they want to keep people distracted with stupid in fighting because that means they can pass more legislation and take more out of our pockets. Get a clue, get over yourself, grow some balls, pick up a book, and try to join society on a new higher level instead of slumming it in the bottom. Our society needs real fighters not partisan hacks. Here is a George Carlin bit that sums up everything pretty well- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q
COMMENT | as usual posted by : daginman 7/5/2009 4:36:21 AM
When Nuge opens his mouth, he sounds like a retarded leftover from the cold war. Wake up! Oh, and free hospital care is a bad thing? Yeah, we all love insurance companies don't we? Ped Nugget should really check something else than FOX news to get a good picture of the real world, not that secluded bubble he lives in.
COMMENT | The socialist whiners posted by : skymetal 7/5/2009 10:59:53 AM
Will wake up someday- or not, but at this rate 10 years from now no one will clothe you, feed you, or even defend you. It will be up to you. Because you are not 'Too Big To Fail'. For a group whose aggregate doesn't believe in an imaginary man in the Sky who created everything (dripping with sarcasm) it's amazing you put your faith in the imbeciles in Washington. The are fleecing us. Mindless sheep. Fucking mindless. When it comes to everyman for himself, and it will come at this rate. Go ahead and pretend that things will be fine the way we are spending. It's like pretending the huge as lump on your face, propably isn't cancer. It will cure itself. Ha, when the bottom falls out,I'm robbing democrats. Flat out fuckers, watch your Six.
COMMENT | Typical posted by : john dee 7/5/2009 11:04:52 AM
Where was Ted's mouth when W was simultaneously racking up trillions in debt in a needless and ill-advised war of choice and cutting taxes, thus creating inevitable debt for future generations? Oh, he's a Republican, so we'll just look the other way and wait for the inevitable Democrat takeover before we say anything. To Ted's credit, he vaguely acknowledges that Obama's policies are only a continuation of what the Republicans were already up to, namely corporate socialism.
COMMENT | The millions spent on the posted by : skymetal 7/5/2009 11:39:21 AM
Iraq war, Hmm now there is revolution in Iran. That sure as hell wasn't Obamas cowtowing that created that. That was Iranians looking to their Left and to their right watching Afghani's and Iraqi's voting. That is change you can believe in. Obama is a Fascist at this point. Look up the word. We are fucked with the Democrats. Things were fucked here and there with the Republicans, but with the Dems ha this is Armageddon shit they are creating. How long do you actually think Americans are going to give more and more of their paycheck so every illegal in this country can have health care. Honestly, how long does that toleration last.
COMMENT | posted by : rufus_creampie 7/5/2009 11:51:50 AM
President_Z.E.R.O.
DAMN I'd like to buy you a drink.
COMMENT | posted by : Mast o' Dawn 7/5/2009 1:50:21 PM
We wouldn't have these problems if there weren't any people. I suggest everyone should kill themselves, for the greater good. Starting with Ted.
COMMENT | posted by : Intervention 7/5/2009 2:25:58 PM
I'm in pure awe, the overwhelming majority of people that visit and post on this site are oblivious to how anything works. I have just about lost all hope for this country due to the reality tv, mtv generation. The dumbest SoB's ever. Good day!
COMMENT | hey ZERO posted by : rous 7/5/2009 4:26:22 PM
you can name-call all you want, it just shows off your maturity level. Yes, people get quicker care in the states, no SHIT. That's because they can afford it. I wasn't arguing the rate of care, that's YOU. So don't tell me what facts I don't have for an argument I never participated in.
We don't have substandard care in the context of quality, it's more quantity. yes, it takes longer to get care. the system is flawed. But if it's flawed, it's because there is NOT ONE PERSON WHO LIVES IN CANADA THAT DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO FREE HEALTHCARE. You want to leave out MILLIONS of Americans because they can't pay for it, and you think that makes that a good working system?? WOW. What a nice person you are.
Hope you never end up on the street because you had to sell your house for your heart surgery. Yeah, GREAT system.
I'd rather have a flawed system than no system at all.
COMMENT | Oh Brother posted by : john dee 7/5/2009 5:42:45 PM
"Bush's Iraqi War is a success "
"Bush spent a trillion over 8 years (which we could easily afford)"
Hahahahahahahaha!
BTW, are you capable of framing an argument sans the personal insults? And your point about the bailout is preaching to the choir, I don't like it either. But do you honestly believe Bush would have done (in fact DID do) anything different, if he weren't a lame duck?
"and Another Generic Username 666 - are you saying that members of the mafia that are US citizens should have different laws? really? we should be able to get information and use it differently for this group of people? be careful going down that road...."
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I believe that convicted criminals who are involved in organized crime, such as the mafia, should be held to certain legal standards in so far as crime and punishment are concerned.
I do not believe that the same policies should apply to innocent American citizens who are not involved in criminal activity.
And in case you miss what I'm getting at, certain procedures should be obtained LEGALLY for investigating suspected members of ORGANIZED CRIME in the due process of investigation of their activities.
These procedures should NOT be instituted on average American citizens who are under no suspicion of any crime other than "Oh, well, they MIGHT be terrorists."
As an American citizen, I would rather see terrorists running wild in our streets than to sacrifice ANY MORE PERSONAL FREEDOMS under "It's for our own good!" scare tactic bullshit.
THAT is tyranny.
COMMENT | hey ZERO posted by : rous 7/5/2009 8:28:31 PM
"Bush's Iraqi War is a success" the only other person on the PLANET that would agree with this idiotic statement is Bush himself, and he probably couldn't even say it without making up another word. I could just imagine....."our war in Iraq was a fantabulous successfulation".
You have the audacity to call other people here idiots and retards and all your other schoolyard names? Look in the mirror, bub. And relax a bit. You seem a bit hot under the collar.
Why do you hate Canada and the rest of the world (and most likely yourself) so much?
With people I know IN Iraq as of writing this, I can assure Zero that it's been ANYTHING but a success.
Saying that alone negates anything else you have to say, Mr. President. I suggest educating yourself as to the state of Iraq today before running your mouth any further about things which have NO idea about.
COMMENT | Better TED...than red posted by : 80smetal% 7/5/2009 11:10:36 PM
What he says makes allot of sense to me.
COMMENT | ah, the "mommy's basement" insult rears its ugly head posted by : rous 7/6/2009 12:29:34 AM
and guess who brought it in? Our good friend and right wing nutjob, Zero Brains.
Oh, and the "gay" insult was classy. I shouldn't have expected anything less from you.
COMMENT | posted by : rous 7/6/2009 12:39:54 AM
I bet you still think Iraq was a better place under Saddam.
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maybe not, but there are thousands of INNOCENT CIVILIANS that are now DEAD, including CHILDREN, that would disagree that this campaign was successful. Instilling a democratic system may be the ultimate goal, and I guess the ends justify the means to you? You think killing kids is ok? I guess you do, since you think that it was a success. What kind of a human being are you?
How many times throughout history do dolts like Bush (and obviously you) have to be reminded that you cannot FORCE change on a region, a people, a civilization? It has to happen naturally within the confines of the region itself, restricted to the peoples affected, not by any outside force. It reaps nothing but utter chaos.
"those who forget history are doomed to repeat it".
COMMENT | !!!!!!!!!!! posted by : violentdope 7/6/2009 2:41:36 AM
fuck ted nugent like anybody gives a fuck, u like hunt alot so fuckin what!!!!!!
"You're so idiotic, i don't know what else to say."
- Considering the way you're spouting and spamming the thread with your under educated, misinformed bullshit, I'm sure you'll think of something. And look, you did.
"Iraq is a success and we handed over the reigns to the country long ago, with the agreed upon pullout already taking place with the Iraqi government. They said it is a success and that is all there is to it."
- Regardless of the clusterfuck their current government is, the financial catastrophe it's turned into and the PILES OF BODIES (both innocent and not), right? Yeah, they're dancing in the street...
"I bet you still think Iraq was a better place under Saddam."
- You know what?
"You fascists for the left were always the ones who supported fascists, communists and tyrants every chance you got."
- Oh shut up. You are SO beyond clueless. Let's see, are you going to sing the praises of the Chinese when they invade to "liberate" America from it's oppressive government and sing their praises? That's pretty much what we did to them. And what we expected out of their citizens, well, the ones that weren't killed, you know. Jesus, I can't for a second believe that you ACTUALLY think this way. You stink of troll.
"Iraq is a success and just deal with it."
- Ooh goodie. Neocon blinders on nice 'n' snug today.
"Bush was right and you assholes were dead wrong."
- Except for that whole "Uh, he's got WMDs and that's bad!" bit, right? OOPS. Forgot about that.
I suggest you exercise some critical thought and get off of Rush's payroll before you make yourself look even more ridiculous than what you already do, Zero.
"Getting rid of Saddam was the noble thing to do and now Iran is next, God willing."
- Why don't you go enlist and "fight for freedom" then? Rather than sitting behind your computer like some kind of wonderkid armchair political specialist? Grow a set, put your feet in the sand and go take out the bad guys if you're so hyped up about it.
Of course, we all know you won't, just like your hero draft dodger Bush didn't...
Tell you what genius, since you're such an internet warrior, why you don't go back to google and do some research on Bush family politics with Saddam Hussein and get back to me when you learn some facts, hmm?
Cuz we all know you're sure as shit not going to go into war with all of Americas enemies that you detest oh so much because Bill O'Reilly tells you to.
"You show me Americans running up to use Canadian health care and I'll show you a hundred times as many Canadians running down here to use our health care services."
- OK. Show me. I'll wait for the link.
"I can see why so many more thousands of people leave your craphole country each and every year to move to the USA, and you have ten times less people than we do!!!"
- It may actually have something to do with the fact that the U.S. makes admission here pretty easy, while a move to Canada necessitates that you prove to Canadian authority that you actually have some skill that benefits the country on whole (many Americans, working stiffs, really don't). But don't let the facts get in the way of your ringwing nutjob rant, Zero.
"Speaks volumes with that alone, more than anything else I can say about you."
- Oh, everything you say speaks PLENTY about you, trust me.
"Hey dumbass, can you name some people who were brought in under Bush that were innocent of any crimes, without a court order to go after them?? I'd love to see your list of 'innocent terrorists.' This should be a hoot."
- Yeah, you want a list of all the NON CONVICTED, NOT SUSPECTED OF ANY CRIME American citizens that were subjected to illegal wiretaps under Bush? I can in fact give you quite a list. Might be surprising, considering you get all your news from Fox, but believe it or not it happened. Here's your link. Educate yourself: http://www.impeachbush.tv/args/wiretaps.html
"Just more Bush-derangement syndrome from the clueless imbeciles amongst us all, living in their mommy's basements!!"
- Oh please. Spare me your internet warrior bullshit.
"You really think the NSA has the time, money and resources just to listen to you and your phone sex operations with your boyfriends?? Keep dreaming, you paranoid dolt."
- Typical. Can't back up your point so you resort to Mommy's basement and homosexual insults? Looking forward to seeing you BANNED, buddy. Considering the amount of shit you've thrown in everybody's direction in this thread, I'd guess it's probably very close now.
Go read the link. Get a FEW names. Educate yourself. And then go enlist in the service and request, no demand, deployment in Iran so that you can "fight for America's freedom" and whatever.
Unless of course you're too busy being Mr. Rightwing Internet Warrior Troll, that is...
COMMENT | After reading all of this posted by : Boz 7/6/2009 9:28:54 AM
Why does Death Angel's "I'm Bored" come to mind right now.......
COMMENT | posted by : Killdozer666 7/6/2009 10:04:44 AM
This dude can be off the handle at times, but today he is SPOT ON
COMMENT | CANADA HEALTH CARE ON CNN THIS MORNING posted by : cbrax 7/6/2009 1:18:07 PM
not that I agree with everything that President ZERO is saying, this link from CNN this morning deserves to be included in this conversation.
Who, Nugent? You mean his empty partisan rhetoric is spot on? Heh. Well, I guess he must be "spot on" every time he opens his mouth about the state of the country considering it's always the same thing.
Well, except for eight years previous when the big bad nasty oversized bloated government was being run by his hero. Then it was all nice 'n' dandy, right?
Yeah, but NOW it's all of a sudden a problem?
Puh-leeze.
COMMENT | I WOULD PERSONALLY KILL TED WITH MY OWN HANDS!!!!!!!! posted by : violentdope 7/6/2009 7:59:40 PM
TED U R A FUCKIN MORON!!!!!!!!THERE IZ NO RIGHT WING!!!!THERE IZ NO LEFT ITS ALL THE SAME AGENDA!!!!!!!!!!THEY PUT US ON DIFFERENT SIDES AND LAUGH AT THE STUPID AMERICANS WHO THINK THEY R FREE AND HAVE LIMITED GOVT!!!!!!!!!GOVT HAS THERE FILTHY HANDS ON EVERYTHING PEOPLE!!!!!!!WAKE THE FUCK UP....WELL U R WHEN 2012 COMES AROUND!!!!!!!GOD BLEES THE WORLD AND EVERYONE IN IT....FUCK AMERICA!!!!!!!!!
COMMENT | zero..... posted by : rous 7/7/2009 1:10:36 AM
....zero.....zero......if the rest of us didn't have lives, we could all come up with equally ridiculous tripe as you did.
But again, the rest of us have lives.
Spare the right wing nutjobbery for your deranged grandma.
COMMENT | Amen posted by : GKW1982 7/7/2009 3:55:23 AM
While I respect Ted Nugent as a musician, I'm not really a huge fan of his music. But I feel like he really spoke the truth in a lot of areas here. It seems the dems/libs want to undo everything that our forefathers fought and died for. They've taken advantage of their freedom of speech and are demanding things that go against the ideas that were written in the Declaration of Independence. Many of these people don't want to contribute to society and earn anything...They just want to be lazy and be given everything for free. People call conservatives greedy because they supposedly don't share their wealth. First of all, that's an unfair stereotype, because I know a number of right-wingers (including myself) that donate to a number of charities and do community service. Secondly, it seems MORE greedy to me that you would contribute so little to society, and yet still feel you deserve something. Like Ted said, those people aren't independent at all. Ted isn't bitching about America, he's asking us to remember what this country was founded on and what we were given, to appreciate that and keep living that way. Instead of instantly bashing Ted because of his right-wing views or because you don't like his music, try reading this article closely with an open mind. Be thankful for what was given to you, and remember why.
COMMENT | zero posted by : rous 7/7/2009 9:38:10 AM
It's not right-wing, it's just the truth.
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You said, and I quote, "bush's iraq war was a success". And you call that the TRUTH, and not RIGHT WING? You're delusional.
I see absolutely no proof, all just opinion.
COMMENT | and one more thing.... posted by : rous 7/7/2009 9:39:51 AM
....you said that Fox tells the truth in the news (thereby making them somehow bi-partisan) and you don't consider that right wing? ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? Fox is the biggest right wing large media outlet in the u-fucking-s, dude. If you can't see that, I can't help you.
COMMENT | GKW1982 posted by : rous 7/7/2009 9:44:06 AM
Secondly, it seems MORE greedy to me that you would contribute so little to society, and yet still feel you deserve something
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This is EXACTLY the problem with your country. All of the have's don't feel the have not's contribute to society, when many of them haven't even been given the chance or the opportunity. It's all well and good for someone in Ted's financial position to say "you can't have that for free, you should pay for it!" when he can already afford it. What if he was on the street? I don't think he'd be of the same opinion. Nor would you. It can happen to anyone. ANYONE. Health care is a basic need of every human being, how is that being greedy? These people aren't asking for fucking liposuction!!! They just want to be healthy!!!
- Bullshit like 95% of everything you've posted thus far. Rightwing bullshit.
"Of course you can't since the truth hurts you so damn bad."
- You're the one spamming this thread up over and over and over again. Not me. I'd say the truth hurts YOU far more based on your inane, childish and insulting responses.
"I don't need to go fight for freedom"
- Of course you don't. You're too busy at your fucking computer spamming away. Gee, what a hero you are.
"but I can support the people who choose to fight for freedom."
- Wake up, idiot. Nobody has "fought for America's freedom" of any sort since WWII. And PLEASE, try and make a case for how Iraq was going to invade America and 'take away our freedoms'. PLEASE try.
"I fought for freedom in the first Gulf War, asshole."
- Really? Somehow I'm inclined to disbelieve every word of that. Based on the notion that you, HEH HEH, 'fought for freedom'. You fought for oil. If you even enlisted, which I seriously doubt. I personally think you're full of shit on that regard.
"I fought for freedom by voting against Gore, Kerry and Obama."
- Yeah, you're some kind of wonderful, you big vote caster you. So Gore, Kerry and Obama are involved in slave trading?
"2 out of 3 isn't bad."
- Yawn.
"This is why we have a volunteer military, dipshit."
- Oh, really? Gee, I never knew! You should be able to hear my eyes rolling from where you're at. Don't deflect, it's really not your strong suit.
"It's a calling and not everybody is up for it."
- Including you, I suspect.
"So if somebody supports the war and has a health condition or is supporting his or her family, would you want them out on the battlefield to prove your strawman argument of bullshit?
- 'Strawman argument of bullshit' seems to offend you greatly. It's a damn shame you don't have anything better than that. Again, I encourage you to go enlist and do something more productive than type at your fucking computer; again, we both know you won't. Typical Republican response.
COMMENT | Threatening my family, President Zero? Hate for gays? posted by : Another Generic Username 666 7/7/2009 11:16:54 AM
"Who in the hell would want to waste their time in Canada,"
- LMAO! I don't know, maybe the people that live there? LOL
"unless you're applying for gay marriage?"
- Uh oh. Those damn pesky gays again. THAT'S why Canada sucks to you, you just laid your entire hand out for everybody to see. You hate those damn queers just like a good little Dittohead is TOLD to. Now I get your hatred for Canada. It's all homophobic. Don't even try to deny it, Shirley, you just revealed yourself quite well and good.
"Americans don't have skills? Sure, maybe the Democraps,"
- Oh noes! Democrats don't have skills! LMAO! You're really getting desperate now. Just like every good little Republican does, eventually. They've certainly become the party of desperation in no time flat, but I guess that's eventually where you end up with "No!" all the time.
"since after all you are the party of the welfare monkey."
- 'You', as in 'me'? Not paying attention much, are you? Well, we already knew you weren't.
"Who needs skills to get a government check and some welfare cheese."
- LOL
"Just ask your family, as that's how I found out about your life. You're fucking pathetic, idiotic twerp."
- Really? Threatening my family now? Insinuating that you're following my family? That's awesome. Keep it up, why don't you make a few death threats to top it off and let's just see how far this goes.
Bottom line, zero, is that you're obviously not going to convince me of anything. I certainly am not going to convince you of anything. But I think that, based on our little exchange here, it's pretty apparent who's more level-headed and balanced between the both of us.
As far as your little rambling incoherent pseudo-threat about watching my family to find out about me (your words), that I'll let go due to the fact that you're probably in your early twenties and an armchair amateur Fox News wannabe pundit that doesn't know any better nor have any common sense about making implied threats on the internet. You can rest assured that I feel pretty justified in saying that due to your implication that I'm on government welfare (or whatever point you were trying to make). I own a home and buy my food from the grocery store down the street, so your "observations" that you're erroneously trying to portray as fact in order to either scare me or impress others are pretty much going to fall on deaf ears; I'd venture to say that even the most ignorant among us talking back on this thread can see through that pretty readily.
I really have nothing left to say to you. Frankly, it's a nice day outside and I'd rather enjoy that than listen to you ramble and saber rattle any further. The bottom line is that America is, in fact, on the road to recovery in its economy, infrastructure and popular standing in the world. I know that. You can argue it all you want, but that doesn't make it true or you right.
Your party is out of power, and after such a long time in it, I realize that it's very frightening to you. One only needs to turn on conservative media to see the truth of that. You're a party without a face, without a leader, without a filibuster and without direction and as such, you flail about in a blind effort to cause the same amount of panic in others that you find in yourselves.
Honestly, it's silly and you're silly.
I myself am going to go enjoy my day before going to work. I suggest you go outside, get a breath of fresh air and do the same. It'll do wonders for your disposition, I bet.
In the future, I'd highly suggest altering your means of argument. Insults and name calling won't impress anybody. By the means of your output, I visualize you sitting in your chair, face furrowed in anger, banging on the keys as hard as you can while you post diatribe after diatribe that nobody's really reading, anyway. I myself have read very little of anything you've actually posted, only as it relates to me.
Best guess is that your effort is pretty much wasted. I'd suggest a more positive investment of your anger and energy rather than a heavy metal chat board.
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