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HERRERA: GENE HOGLAN Told Me He Can't Even Play Some Of FEAR FACTORY's Early Songs - Nov. 8, 2009
FEAR FACTORY/ARKAEA drummer Raymond Herrera was interviewed on the October 25, 2009 edition of the "Uncensored Net Noise". The program can now be streamed using the audio player below. (Note: The Herrera interview begins around the 47-minute mark.) A few excerpts from the chat follow (transcribed by BLABBERMOUTH.NET).

On his current status in FEAR FACTORY:

Herrera: "There's essentially a couple of things at play right now. There's a legal battle between our party, which is Christian [Olde Wolbers; FEAR FACTORY/ARKAEA guitarist] and myself, and then the other party being Dino [Cazares; FEAR FACTORY guitarist] and Burt [C. Bell; FEAR FACTORY vocalist]. So there's been a lawsuit that's been going on for, I guess, over eight months now. Dino and Burt are essentially trying to continue the band without me and Christian, but the problem is that we haven't agreed on anything; they're just kind of doing this willingly on their own, just trying to push their agenda. Since then I've heard that they're signing a deal with Candlelight [Records] and I heard that they're doing some dates in South America and Central America. But it's all kind of 'he-said-she-said' right now, 'cause we're not getting anything concrete from them. In the meantime, Christian and I had started writing what was was to be the next FEAR FACTORY record, and we just couldn't get Burt to kind of focus on doing anything — he turned down all the touring that we had, he turned down the record deal that we had; he just turned down everything that was coming our way. So Christian just said, 'Well, if he doesn't wanna work, let's do something else, and when Burt's ready, then we'll do FEAR FACTORY.' So that's what ARKAEA is — essentially a product of Burt not wanting to work. So since then, now they're [Dino and Burt], I guess, trying to take control of the band, so to speak, but there's four members in the company — we each own 25 percent — and right now it's just like this 50/50 kind of pissing contest, unfortunately. I don't know how it's gonna turn out. I guess we'll see."

"The whole thing kind of came to a head around May, maybe June, so it's been awhile now and there doesn't seem to be an end in sight.

"One of the unfortunate things is that it's kind of all been put in the media from Day One when Dino and Burt did their interviews saying they're gonna continue or whatever, and that just kind of set the precedent, when it all should have really been done behind closed doors, so to speak."

On whether the dispute has to do primarily with how the royalties are going to be split or if it's about something else:

Herrera: "Well, there's a couple of things. One thing is there's nothing on paper that reflects anything that they're anything or that we've agreed to. And two, yeah, they're using the name. What we're saying on our side, it's like, 'Look, if we're out, we're out.' I'd like to know what the reasoning is, 'cause any interviews that they've done, there has not been any reason — it's just been silly excuses or just B.S. And then too, it's like, if this is what's gonna happen, then we need to agree to something where... you know, what's gonna be our pay-off? If it's gonna be a royalty thing, is there gonna be... All of that has to be figured out, which was all figured out when we got rid of Dino; that took about 11 months to get done, because, you know, we weren't just gonna kick Dino out and not pay him anything. I mean, there had to be some kind of resolution, because Dino was in the band for a long time. So it's the same thing — there needs to be some kind of resolution. Right now there isn't; there's just them kind of opening their mouths and whatever they're saying apparently is true, which... It's, like, anybody can say whatever they want."

On whether he preferred working with Dino or without:

Herrera: "I don't know... The problem with Dino was between Burt and Dino. Had they never gotten into a fight, the band would have probably still kept going on with Dino. The problem was the two guys that are best friends now, apparently. Dino and Burt would not get along. Burt is the one that quit the band in, like, '02 or whatever, or '03, saying, 'I can't work with Dino anymore. I'm officially gone.' I'm the one that had to rope him back in. So the question isn't for me to answer, it's more for Burt to answer, 'cause he's the one that had an issue with Dino."

On how he thinks the situation will pan out and whether there is any hope of a reconciliation between the four members of Fear Factory Inc.:

Herrera: "Well, the reconciliation decision is kind of on their end, because we've spoken to their counsel many times and said, 'Look, let's have a meeting. Let's figure this out.' Instead of spending all this money fighting through lawyers, why don't we just sit down and figure out what we gotta do?

"Look, if somebody really doesn't want me somewhere, I'm not gonna stick around. For whatever reason... If they don't wanna work with me anymore because they don't like me anymore or they don't like the way I play drums or they don't like the way I write music or they don't like the way I do business, hey, fair enough, man — I don't wanna be around either. But we just need to resolve it. So, if they don't wanna work with me, then that's fine. I'm willing to work with Burt, I'm willing to work with Dino as well.

"The problem we had was never musical; it's always been a personal issue, for whatever reason. So, if it's gonna work out, cool; if it's not gonna work out, that's fine too.

"The [new FEAR FACTORY] lineup that they [Dino and Burt] picked is killer. That's not an issue, though. The issue is that they wanna use the trademark, and technically they don't have the right to use it. And neither do Christian and I, because we are the other 50 percent, so we, equally — Christian and I — can't say that we own the band. They equally can't say they own the band either unless I jump onto their party and say, 'OK, you guys can do this,' in which case, at which point, they would have 75 percent of the company, and then they could probably do whatever they wanted to do. But nobody can jump on board, because they don't even wanna sit down and have a discussion."

On there not being a lot of people that could easily fill his shoes as far as his double-bass playing goes:

Herrera: "The odd thing about that is I spoke to Gene Hoglan [the drummer in the Dino/Burt version of FEAR FACTORY] a couple of times, and he even mentioned to me, he's like, 'Look, dude, I can't even play some of that [old FEAR FACTORY] stuff.'

"Look, man, it's nothing against Gene — I love Gene. I have nothing against Byron [Stroud; the bassist in the Dino/Burt version of FEAR FACTORY], I have nothing against Gene; this is purely a business thing, [and] I understand that. I'm level-headed enough to understand that, but that's what Gene told me himself — that some of those songs he can't even play. So, you know, for whatever that's worth... maybe they're not gonna play those songs, or maybe... I don't know. That's not a problem for me to even have to worry about, but I mean, really, the problem is bigger than the fact that Gene maybe can or can't play the songs or whatever. There's a bigger underlining issue here, which is the whole legal aspect of this."

Raymond Herrera interviewed on "Uncensored Net Noise": (Note: The Herrera interview begins around the 47-minute mark.)



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COMMENT | Hoglan is
posted by : poo.poos
11/8/2009 4:02:20 AM

Too old and fat to play that stuff.
Lay off the burgers and get some exercise.

COMMENT | Hoglan is
posted by : the irreligious god
11/8/2009 4:07:16 AM

probably trying to play it forgetting how much of a trigger monkey Herrera is.

COMMENT | ^^technical...
posted by : Self_Science
11/8/2009 4:24:32 AM


is relative to style. Maybe Hoglan can't play that stop/start shit as well as Herrara. Maybe he just needs to practice it more. Sure he can play faster, but generally Hoglan just goes flat stick on those pedals.

it's like some guitarists. I know guys that can play runs like crazy, but get them to play some staccato jazz type shit, and they can't.

COMMENT | Awesome!
posted by : Moderus Prime
11/8/2009 4:24:41 AM

My comment was deleted! Go censorship!

COMMENT |
posted by : mog
11/8/2009 4:27:50 AM

hoglan cant play your triggered parts?

bull... shit.

COMMENT | LET IT GO HERRERA
posted by : Machine Dead
11/8/2009 4:36:36 AM

AND GET UR FACTS RIGHT

official statement from Bell:

Mark, before I go off on all the Comments and everything I'd like to make an official statement. First of all thank you for letting me do this statement and I appreciate your time Mark. First of all I want to cut through a lot of the confusion about one issue since it really will be part of every answer. I have not made a public statement about it, not wanting to air dirty laundry, but I have been forced to correct certain misstatements by Raymond and Christian. The fact that I have not worked with Raymond and Christian for the past 3 years as Fear Factory is for this one reason. Is that I did not want to be involved with their manager. Her name is Christy Priske and She happens to be Christian's wife. During the Transgression mixing session her and Raymond started a love affair that lasted for a couple years. As manager of Fear Factory this was completely unacceptable to me."




COMMENT | hmm
posted by : Wezz the Warlock
11/8/2009 4:51:52 AM

Herrera is really coming out as the bigger person in this whole feud. He seems like a really cool and level-headed guy, who just wants to sort things out. I can't see why Dino and Burt just seem to seek trouble intentionally.

COMMENT | "Machine Dead"
posted by : elpee
11/8/2009 4:59:33 AM

So, what you're quoting is basically that yet again Burton C Bell has to have it his way?



COMMENT |
posted by : Hallowed Point
11/8/2009 5:38:10 AM

@dragonflame
Well said.

COMMENT | yeah right...
posted by : Tatann
11/8/2009 5:39:08 AM

Herrera a better drummer than Hoglan...
Fear Factory may be a huge influence for SYL (and many other good bands), their last good album was in 1995, just when SYL started to make even better albums and never stopped till 2006
It's funny how Hoglan was asked to fill in for great bands like Opeth but wouldn't be able to play some Fear Factory
and for Burton and Dino, well, Devin Townsend simply is a thousand times better singer/guitarist/keyboardist/composer than both of them united

COMMENT |
posted by : ZvartZaft
11/8/2009 5:51:34 AM

Both Herrera and Hoglan uses triggers live - just listen to any SYL live show and you'll hear.

But still - I love both drummers, but I, personally, don't want to hear any other drummer then Herrera in Fear factory. He practically invented that kind of drumming, and he is the man for the job!

COMMENT | dragonflame...
posted by : fanny you should say that
11/8/2009 5:52:02 AM

i'm one of those 20 somethings.. older end of the scale in fact! And it just happens i agree 100% with you.

To the stupid, dumb kids on here... triggers simply take your live sound and process it into a digitial sound... whatever sound you choose. That does not make the drum parts easier or harder to play. All it does is change your sound. Computer triggers don't play your fucking parts for fucks sake. Learn before you open your mouth.

Furthermore, Hoglan is one talented mother fucker. My favourite is his work with Testament. Great use of his hands, which is something where Herrera always fell short.

That being said, no matter how "technical" (whatever the fuck that means) or how many bands Hoglans played with, Herrera is simply more popular because he created a style AND a sound. Notice i didn't say better, just more popular. Herrera deserves his recognition for coming up with a style and sound so unique to anything that had been done up to that point. Very hard thing to do. Hererra's style and sound (which came to life on Demanufacture, 1994) is still being copied by all these metalcore type bands 15 years later.

Dino can be really annoying but i am such a huge fan of his Asesino project. That is so fucking fast, violent and brutal, and it's laden with sick solos. That tells me that Dino still has that talent, despite the abomination that is Divine Heresy.

They'll only succeed with the original lineup. Otherwise they'll end up as Sepultura Mach II. And nobody but a few diehards want that.

COMMENT | fanny you should say that
posted by : ZvartZaft
11/8/2009 6:09:36 AM

I agree with you totally! Well said!

However, triggers do make it easier to play fast beats as it produces the same sound however hard och soft you kick. So, if your playing is a bit sloppy, or too soft, the triggers helps alot.

COMMENT | Hi ZvartZaft, cheers mate.
posted by : fanny you should say that
11/8/2009 6:14:45 AM

Yes, Triggers help very much in the way a microphone and PA help. The difference is that it can process a bass drum sound to a high-end click, so you can play faster (and more softly as you said) and still get definition and volume. However if you are a sloppy drummer, then the triggers will only accentuate that.

Have a good one.

COMMENT | lol
posted by : Joss
11/8/2009 6:29:43 AM

People still whining about triggers?

COMMENT | Herrera uses the trigger on his Glock 9.
posted by : youcunt
11/8/2009 7:27:50 AM

Well said @Wezz the Warlock.

Herrera has been badly let down by the production of his drumming in his past few records, he is still the Mexecutioner and a ballistic drummer.

COMMENT |
posted by : mansnam
11/8/2009 7:35:59 AM

Drama Factory

COMMENT | My view
posted by : IronMonkey666
11/8/2009 7:45:10 AM

The day Dino left i think FF lost alot of what made them great, now he's back and Raymond is gone along with Christian i feel the same way.

Fear Factory need the four of them to get there heads round this as there better together than apart.

As someone already mentioned it was managment that destroyed Sepultura dont let this happen to Fear Factory.

As a footnote i like Derrick fronted Sepultura but having witnessed them with Max many times i know what a great loss it is to Metal fans, Soulfly and The Cavalera Conspiracy dont come close to Max fronted Sepultura.




COMMENT | ?????????????????????????????
posted by : G R
11/8/2009 7:54:04 AM

WHAT THE FAK ARE U TOKING ABOUT???

IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM HEARING TRIGGERRS ON DRUMS,THROW AWAY ALL YOUR ALBUMS-OR JUST DELETE THEM,YOU FAKD UP NET-FREAKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RAYMOND HERERA ALONG WITH CAZARES ARE THE BIG CORE OF WHAT FF MUSICALLY IS ALL ABOUT...
AND OFFCOURSE BURTON IS THE_VOICE OF FF.
ALL THIS MESS,THIS WAR OF NERVES,THIS BATTLE FOR WHO IS RIGHT AND WHO IS WRONG IS JUST TRANSGRESSION...

COMMENT |
posted by : ratamahata
11/8/2009 8:19:02 AM

how about them sharing the same woman? his wife or something... that was the official reason Burton told about wanted them out.

COMMENT | triggers
posted by : longsincedark
11/8/2009 8:55:45 AM

just provide and even and consistent kick sound every time it is hit.. a lot more than kick drums are triggered most whole kits are... they take the best sounding hits from the drummer and use them as a sample so you always have a perfect snare hit or kick or whatever. On top of that you can replace any drum sound using triggers so you can use someone elses kit without having a different kit... there are endless possibilities but the drummer still has to play the drums.

COMMENT | you're all fucking idiots...
posted by : DTC
11/8/2009 9:17:57 AM

...saying that triggers don't change anything. hitting your kit right is a HUGE part of what makes a player good or bad! you can play fast as shit, but if you can't hit properly it's gonna sound like shit, that's the same with a guitar! if you can shred on an electric guitar with a noise gate, a shitload of distortion, a delay, etc, but can't make an acoustic guitar sound good, then you're a shit player. same goes with triggers. playing fast is not hard. playing fast AND loud on an acoustic kit, now THIS is hard!

COMMENT | ironmonkey...
posted by : Self_Science
11/8/2009 9:27:01 AM

"As a footnote i like Derrick fronted Sepultura but having witnessed them with Max many times i know what a great loss it is to Metal fans, Soulfly and The Cavalera Conspiracy dont come close to Max fronted Sepultura."

I agree man, with all your comments, but particularly this one. As much as i like derrick with seps and max with Soulfly, i can't lie to myself anymore that we somehow got the better deal when the partnership dissolved. Both bands are good, but they feel insignificant next to Sep's in their prime. The magic, for whatever reason, is gone.

COMMENT | !!1
posted by : Doros78
11/8/2009 9:42:08 AM

if Hoglan said he cant play these earlier songs then he cant play them. whats so hard to understand about that? i bet Herrera cant play anything Hoglan can.
just hope they solve this and hopefully just start again all four

COMMENT | oh yeah??
posted by : opopanax
11/8/2009 10:08:14 AM

atleast hoglan was honest about it. let us see you play a Strapping Young Lad song, you bloody fool.

COMMENT | I'm sure Hoglan
posted by : TPinto713
11/8/2009 10:12:21 AM

wanted Raymond to state that in an interview...
I'm seeing Hoglan tonight in Pompano FL, I'll make sure to mention it if he doesn't already know. Prepare Raymond because The Atomic Clock will figure out the 'old stuff' and play it better than you!

COMMENT | Jeez
posted by : deepunderdirt
11/8/2009 10:14:55 AM

Why does anybody care about this half ass band anyway? I saw them with the most recent lineup several years ago and they just really kind of sucked. Uninspired performance, generic songs from whatever the new record was at the time. Was glad to get em off the stage for the headliner.

Hoglan is just being nice to this guy. His stuff even over the past few years smokes this guy.

COMMENT |
posted by : ReverendDubs
11/8/2009 10:21:18 AM

Is Hoglan the drummer in DethKock....?

COMMENT |
posted by : king_pin
11/8/2009 11:03:15 AM

Damn , the host of that radio interview is a douche! ABBA is a great popband, and Hererra is an openminded musiclistener so why bash him about that? There is more great music than just metal.

COMMENT | Not to say Hoglans SYL stuff was bad...
posted by : Deeplock
11/8/2009 11:08:00 AM

by ANY stretch of the word but Hoglans best stuff was on...

Dark Angel - Darkness Descends

drumming on that album was AMAZING for its time.... hell, even by todays standards if you ask me

COMMENT | HOGLAN IS THE SHIT ON......
posted by : southmetal_guy
11/8/2009 11:32:30 AM

DEATH - SYMBOLIC, AND TESTAMENT - DEMONIC. RAYMOND KILLS ON 'SOUL OF A NEW MACHINE' AND THE MIGHTY 'DEMANUFACTURE'. BOTH ARE BAD ASS, TRIGGERS OR NO TRIGGERS. I WILL BE PICKING UP THE NEW FEAR FACTORY.

COMMENT | kaktus
posted by : Doros78
11/8/2009 12:13:55 PM

dont start with the relevant or irrelevant bullshit please. its fucking stupid.
and just because bands get old and stop selling as many albums as they did, doesnt mean they are any worse. most of these old bands that are still around today are better then most of the crap thats been on the charts the 10 years or so, and much much better live. there are always some newer bands that are supposed to be whats in at any given time and take over the from the older ones but in the last 10-20 years the older bands are usually better.

but i have to say that FF have just been ok the last few years.



COMMENT | fuck this shit
posted by : PHIL_11H58
11/8/2009 12:19:55 PM

who cares who's in fear factory...as long as the new album is good...who gives a fuck seriously children of the blabber....move on guys

COMMENT |
posted by : j-la
11/8/2009 12:32:58 PM

Demanufacture and Obsolete are still fucking great records. The drums KILL!

COMMENT |
posted by : enkiel
11/8/2009 2:04:02 PM

Regardless of whats true or not, they still need to all sit down and get on the same page here. They're acting without foresight, kinda like children it seems. If there's chick problems in the camp that's destroying a band with a long history, then those issues need to be sorted out in a mature matter. If there's legally binding issues and contracts, then they need to be recognized instead of ignored, which creates legal proceedings and bigger rifts between the band members.

Burt and Dino are the ones at fault here, I think. Their claims might be true, but they're not handling them in a responsible way. They need to say hey, this and this is going on and its upsetting us and our chemistry. We need to sort this out and make a compromise, with the the interests of the band as a whole as the focus. If we can't, people are leaving this band, most likely, you.

COMMENT | Raymond is a backstabber!!
posted by : AbruisedAndDarkenedSoul
11/8/2009 3:02:21 PM

Before dino and burt put FF back together, raymond was approached by burt! but he was so pussy wipped by Christians Wife that he told Burt to fuck off and that Dino was dead to him, Now since they have a record deal and everything is set, NOW he want's to play with them. You are worthless shit Raymond

COMMENT | I prefer
posted by : patlapse
11/8/2009 3:35:37 PM

to let the music do the talking. Can't wait to hear it.

COMMENT |
posted by : Rotem
11/8/2009 4:04:15 PM

Haha! Trigger monkey.

COMMENT | ALL THAT IS LEFT TO SAY IS...
posted by : youcunt
11/8/2009 8:59:39 PM

Execution Powershift!!!

COMMENT | bullshit
posted by : ZUEL
11/8/2009 11:18:19 PM

i watched FF primadonna themselves out of any respect i may have had left for them. at a festival in Ohio called 'Woodshock' they took 45 minutes to soundcheck, 30 of which being the constant sound of that dead horse raymond calls a kick drum. this was the stroud/wolbers version of FF. they almost didnt play because the stage wouldnt fit their massive backdrop, and they DEMANDED an 80 channel board of which they only used 21 channels. you do the work.

FUCK this band and everyone in it. also thanks burton for ruining Ministrys last tour for me and prolly anyone else.

hate you.

COMMENT | its funny
posted by : El Pendejo's Brother
11/8/2009 11:40:52 PM

how people like Raymond and Christian becuz they speak so well in interviews jajaja......fuck that....did they speak well during Akaea and Trangression????? those albums suck...Dave Mustaine is a whiner.....did he whine on Endgame? Nope....let the music speak for itself.

COMMENT | uh guys...
posted by : pest666
11/8/2009 11:44:27 PM

Ray's basically saying he wants to be back in FF and work with Burt & Dino. The "75%" part? He wants to make $$$ and has figured out he can make more with them than Christian at this point.

COMMENT |
posted by : I 4 N I
11/9/2009 3:20:45 AM

As much as I love the new lineup lets not kid ourselves... the true and best FF will and always be dino, burt, chris (on bass), and the ray U know it!!


Np: Dream Theater - The Shattered Fortress

COMMENT | I just wanna chime in to feel in important.
posted by : Mewis
11/9/2009 10:33:57 AM

TRIGGERS! Burgers! Boots! Mexico! Death and strapping young lad! Divine heresy! Pro tools! Original Lineup! Burritos!!!!!

AAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

COMMENT | Hererra is losing his only claim to fame...
posted by : Dig Bick
11/9/2009 12:37:08 PM

He is now going to be known as FORMER FEAR FACTORY DRUMMER. Argaeya's Debut already shows how boring what he and Xerox write. They are nothing w/out Burt & Dino except a 2nd rate copy of their former band. Give up. I agree with (PANZERD) Hoglan was just trying to be humble and give him some credit. Raymond is pathetic.

COMMENT |
posted by : lurker411_k9
11/9/2009 8:16:09 PM

bullshit.

COMMENT | hoglan uses
posted by : JAH
11/10/2009 5:13:38 AM

hererra for a bra



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