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DUFF MCKAGAN On THEM CROOKED VULTURES: 'Don't Call Them A Supergroup'
- Nov. 13, 2009
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VELVET REVOLVER/ex- GUNS N' ROSES bassist Duff McKagan has penned the latest installment of his weekly column, which appears every Thursday on Reverb at SeattleWeekly.com. An excerpt follows below. "When I first heard that John Paul Jones, Dave Grohl, and Josh Homme were forming a band last spring, I must say that I was jealous. Are you kidding me?! These three mega-talented and unique figures playing hard rock in a unified and focused group? I was excited, to say the least, from a player's perspective AND as a fan. Then came the inevitable 'supergroup' tags. "Lazy journalists like to put a tag on anything they can in an attempt to sum up a whole genre or movement with a quick phrase that will make their job easier and take a swipe at a band in the process. You know, 'stoner rock,' 'grunge,' 'indie,' 'hair metal,' etc. 'Supergroup' conjures a negative image in my mind, and we in VELVET REVOLVER had to deal with this label in our first year. Fans never called us a supergroup, mind you, only journalists. I've heard this title being bandied about in reference to THEM CROOKED VULTURES, and I think it is a cheap way out." Read McKagan's entire column at SeattleWeekly.com.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
11/13/2009 10:06:26 PM
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Don't worry, we wont.
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COMMENT | TCV
posted by : RiotAct666
11/13/2009 10:09:10 PM
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They do have some great musicians in that band i must say. Can't wait to pick up the CD in few days.
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posted by : GoatLoad71
11/13/2009 10:22:01 PM
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Right on Duff, Right on..
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posted by :
11/13/2009 10:22:38 PM
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I think that's pretty valid.
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COMMENT | Truth
posted by :
11/13/2009 10:40:41 PM
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Nice !
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posted by : KILO G
11/13/2009 11:01:29 PM
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Thats the media for ya! They try to stick a label on anything and everything.
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posted by : theyearsofdecay
11/13/2009 11:14:42 PM
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Duff is nothing but a __________ (insert label)
No seriously, DUFF is the ***ing man!!!!!
The guy can sing and play an amazing bass tone.
Duff FTW
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COMMENT | F-N Duff!!! you are RIGHT!
posted by :
11/13/2009 11:45:20 PM
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I sooo hate the labels that are just all over the place...it's almost as worse then hearing about H1N1....if MUSICIANS GET TOGEHER...and jam ...NO MATTER WHO IT IS MIND YOU!!!! it's a band.NOT A SUPER GROUP! Wha...they fly though the air??? they bend steel with their bare hands??? They change the course of mighty rivers??? SHUT UP AND LISTEN TO THE BAND!!!! Enjoy the ROCK that KICKS!!...otherwise...go.....just go....the Jonas Bros. await you.
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COMMENT | so true
posted by :
11/14/2009 12:15:34 AM
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word...
lazy douche music critics = envious turds...
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COMMENT | holy $hit
posted by :
11/14/2009 12:40:19 AM
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did we all really just agree on something?
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COMMENT | LOL
posted by : Ultimate Warrior
11/14/2009 1:18:15 AM
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Yes, the great Duff McKagen is the one who can unite all Blabbermouth posters....the happy, the angry, the bitter, the tr00, the wiggers, the Metallica haters, the Mustaine bashers....we can all agree that labeling music is stupid as hell.
Them Crooked Vultures is a great band.....I already can't wait for what they do next.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
11/14/2009 1:20:27 AM
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Yeah we wont..because the album sucks. Sounds like QOSTA b-sides.
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COMMENT | Gotta say....
posted by : Neil Young's Cocaine Booger
11/14/2009 1:43:45 AM
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the more Duff speaks, the more I respect him.
The guy NEVER comes across as a famous musician, but rather as a guy who plays happens to be in a band but is still a BIG fan of music in general.
Unless they wear blue tights with a yellow S on it and a red cape, nobody should be called a supergroup.
I pre-order my CD last week and am looking forward to it. Loved the show they played here a month or so ago.
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COMMENT | Wow, well said!
posted by : Lorn
11/14/2009 1:57:58 AM
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My respect for Duff went up further. I mean he just blew away years of shit in a few very well thought out sentences. Awesome.
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posted by : YaKnow?
11/14/2009 2:06:01 AM
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c'mon Duff, don't be so sensitive
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COMMENT | lazy writers
posted by :
11/14/2009 2:25:52 AM
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velvet revlover+bad writing=crap rock. its called a thesaurus;use it.
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COMMENT | Critics
posted by :
11/14/2009 3:58:30 AM
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You really cant take alot of music journalists seriously because they are usually failed musicians anyway. Nuff said!
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COMMENT | After hearing it though...
posted by :
11/14/2009 4:17:48 AM
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I kind of wish "Them Crooked Vultures" was the title of the new Queens Of The Stone Age album. (it feels like that a lot on there...)
This album is a grower though.
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COMMENT | I bet Duff hates nu metal
posted by :
11/14/2009 4:58:21 AM
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True.
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posted by :
11/14/2009 4:59:46 AM
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I don't think "Supergroup" tag has to be a bad term, if you are talking amongst genuine fans of music.
But I dig the point Duff is making \m/
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COMMENT | I definitely agree with Duff
posted by : My Godless Endeavor
11/14/2009 5:30:31 AM
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He is right on with his analysis of journalists' overuse genre tags. As a music fan, however, I love genre titles. I dont think there is anything wrong with classifying the music i listen to. I listen to different genres of music for different moods, so when searching for new music, I like to know the general idea of what they are trying to express. I dont hold any negative connotations to the term "supergroup" there are plenty of kickass bands that I would consider supergroups. Bands like Down, Bloodbath, Goatwhore, and Lock-up are all awesome metal bands i would consider supergroups
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COMMENT |
posted by :
11/14/2009 5:34:54 AM
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Duff is a smart guy.
Well said.
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posted by : Kovaks
11/14/2009 8:03:17 AM
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Ok album but a bit too Qotsa-ish to be honest...
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COMMENT | Duff is the man.
posted by : gunner22
11/14/2009 8:18:21 AM
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My respect fir him only gets bigger and bigger.
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COMMENT | actually .............
posted by :
11/14/2009 9:02:19 AM
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I think its an honor to be refered to as a supergroup . Only because it shows the caliber of each player . and what they bring to the table ! Looking foward to hearing this music !
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COMMENT | hey guys
posted by :
11/14/2009 10:38:41 AM
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random but don't you kinda feel like the most talented singer in van halen is michael anthony?
but back to topic
Duff McKagan sat next to Kurt on a flight, days before Kurt killed himself. Freaking weird. But yeah, Duff ftw!
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COMMENT | i dunno duff
posted by :
11/14/2009 10:41:24 AM
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i see what duff means, labeling music is a cheap way out. listen to the music first then judge, don't shove it into one category. but... honestly duff i kinda feel like supergroup is a compliment
it's basically "a bunch of awesome guys, playing awesome music."
I'd love to be called a super group, but i feel like what duff means is they are quickly labeling a band, and that takes away from the meaning behind the band, the band is a band that coincidentally has alot of awesome member in it and wasn't looking to be a super group. but nevertheless, duff ftw.
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posted by :
11/14/2009 12:43:31 PM
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Duff Fuckin Rules
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COMMENT | slash, weiland and sorum
posted by : erpbass6
11/14/2009 1:36:28 PM
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playing along side duff...makes them a super group.
duff is below average at it's finest...compositionally, guitar playing, singing, and especially his bass playing.
god bless the studio bassist that tracked his parts while in GNR. he MADE duff.
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COMMENT | haha erpbass6
posted by :
11/14/2009 3:10:38 PM
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and there is the token smartass who has too put his two cents and question a musicians ability. i thought the whole point in of playing music was to express yourself and play the music you love to play. Duff is a punk/funk influenced bass player. You can definetly tell this if you actually listen to his lines. so i guess cuz he plays the music he likes that makes him sorry. but i guess any bass/guitar player who doesnt tune their guitars low as hell and sticks to triplets and as fast as possible makes them a sorry player. wait i suppose cause you have to sit behind a keyboard and talk trash makes you a really cool kid. good job. now back to the real subject which is THEM CROOKED VULTURES...sounds like an awesome band and I cant wait to check out their music.
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COMMENT | Loaded > Them Crooked Vultures
posted by : JJJB
11/14/2009 3:11:03 PM
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Them Crooked Vultures not Super at all
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COMMENT | Ok, so no more supergroups?
posted by :
11/15/2009 12:11:16 AM
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Ok, when famous musicians get together to make music and put out an album, lets all just pretend they are regular joes rocking it out. C'mon, thats just silly.
So we can throw out labels like All-Stars and Dream Teams and the Justice Leauge and the Legion of Doom. I mean, NATO and the Axis Of Evil. Oh, and Groupies. I bet Duff used to like him some Groupies.
Dude, life is labels. Its how we organize shit. Fuck, even one of the Beatles, Ringo, puts together his Ringo's ALL STARS every now and then. At least he has the common sense to call it as it is. Look Duff, if you want to reinvent yourself, stick with Loaded and don't hook up with Supergroups anymore.
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posted by :
11/15/2009 3:13:48 AM
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Even I've found myself using the "supergroup" tag too loosely lately in my reviews so I have to agree that Duff has a point here....
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COMMENT | RIDICULOUS
posted by :
11/15/2009 7:33:26 AM
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all u duff stans, he is being a baby over this,,there is nothing wrong with the term supergroup, all it is is a way of saying that all or most of the members are estblished veterans in other succesful bands,its not meant to label a band, and in most cases these so called supergroups are just that they dont put out much more than 1 or 2 albums, ( in most cases) there are exeptions obviously..you are all taking it way to serious get over it.. i will always use the term if it is neccesary..
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COMMENT | P.S.
posted by :
11/15/2009 7:35:58 AM
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If it wasnt for Axle Rose NOONE WOULD EVEN NO WHO DUFF IS!! and that is real talk wether you stans wan't to admit or not!
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COMMENT | Duff has always been
posted by : wolfmanjason
11/15/2009 8:39:24 PM
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a bright guy. He was just to drunk thru most of the last 15 years for anyone to notice.
As for Them Crooked Vultures, it's just more soft rock from Josh Homme.
Get over your ego Josh and get a Kyuss reunion going already so I can give a fuck about what you are doing again.
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COMMENT | Duff has a valid point
posted by :
11/28/2009 1:31:31 AM
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& the only label should be over Axl's hypocritical motherfuckin' mouth.
Then Crooked Vultures Rocks!
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COMMENT | "Them Crooked Vultures"
posted by :
11/28/2009 1:33:34 AM
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sorry typo!
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