GUNS N' ROSES: Korean Ticket Sales Break Records
- Nov. 17, 2009
Kim Hyung-eun of JoongAng Daily reports that GUNS N' ROSES' will visit Seoul next month for its first gig in Korea.
While some music fans might categorize the group as yet another ho-hum act way past its prime — the band has been around for 24 years, after all — the concert organizer sees it in a different light.
Access Entertainment, which is behind the show, said in a press release that of all the foreign rock bands it has helped bring to town in the past, none have enjoyed as much attention as GUNS N' ROSES. Officials believe that the concert will prove to be a satisfying experience for both the older generation that idolized the group in the 1990s as well as the younger generation that has discovered GN'R relatively recently.
"Tickets sales have already broken records set by other successful concerts we organized earlier in the year, like the LADY GAGA show this August," Yvette Moon, a manager at Access Entertainment, said on Monday.
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COMMENT | Good that they broke the record but.... posted by : acalaf 11/17/2009 10:44:32 AM
That's fine, tour japan and china, cause if you book a show in Nashville, St. Louis, or Dallas you know you'll have to cancel due to extremely poor ticket sales. I love you Axl, but get the original lineup back for an album and tour BEFORE IT'S TOO FUCKING LATE!!! I would expect you of all people to want to go out with a big bang.
COMMENT | GN'R posted by : RiotAct666 11/17/2009 10:56:25 AM
They have that kind of power to break ticket sales. Everyone wants to see Axl GOD Rose :)
COMMENT | F**k the original line-up posted by : ticketsthere 11/17/2009 11:01:32 AM
I've loved Guns N' Roses since 1991 and I've never been so proud of them as I have been the last two years. Axl Rose does exactly what he wants and never what the fans, media or world at large expect or urge him to do. Rock N Roll isn't about living past glories, it;s about doing what you want and Axl is doing just that!! All the man seems to get in return is bitching from a bunch of Slash fanatics. Shouldn't you all be busy watching Slash play with Bill Gates or Fergie on YouTube?? That's far more rock n roll than what Axl's doing I'm sure.
If the people in Nashville, St. Louis, and Dallas don't realize the man is making history then it's their tough shit and I doubt Axl could care less how many tickets he sells there. No-one can accuse him of doing anything to 'cash in' or promote himself for money.
Come to Ireland Axl and you'll get the welcome you deserve!
COMMENT | posted by : flumphert 11/17/2009 11:06:35 AM
HA! Don't fuckin bother coming to Ireland. If you weren't there in 1992 then tough shit. The so called new GNR are shite. Or as I like to call them, Axl's one man band! GNR ARE NOT FUCKING WELCOME IN IRELAND UNLESS ITS WITH THE ORIGINAL LINEUP OR THE UYI TOUR LINEUP. Proud me hole. Chinese Crapocracy is a fucking shameful disgrace. GNR R.I.P.
COMMENT | ^^^^nah posted by : Chainedown 11/17/2009 11:07:42 AM
you're wrong about "everyone." If there's opportunity I rather see Phil Anselmo, Dave Mustaine, Ronnie James Dio, Scott Weiland, Mike Patton, Peter Steele, hell I'd rather even see Randy Blythe over Axl.
COMMENT | my post posted by : Chainedown 11/17/2009 11:08:00 AM
directed at Riotact666.
COMMENT | flumphert posted by : ticketsthere 11/17/2009 11:10:52 AM
Some Irish people just type random silly things. Don't listen to people like flumphert Axl, they're just messin' with ya.
Old Guns N Roses were brilliant but it would never be like that again. Slash and Duff have moved on, Izzy would never come back, Steven's a joke and Matt, well Matt comes across as the biggest ass wipe in the history of the universe. Bringin' Gilby would just be pointless.
Old Guns will always be remembered a the best but Chinese Democracy is a classic and a great album and it's an awful shame more people don't like it. Can't please everyone and fortunately Axl doesn't want to!! Guns N' Roses are alive and well!!
COMMENT | posted by : theyearsofdecay 11/17/2009 11:20:26 AM
Sheeps
COMMENT | theyearsofdecay ? posted by : ticketsthere 11/17/2009 11:25:10 AM
The ones who like the current lineup or the ones that don't?
COMMENT | posted by : flumphert 11/17/2009 11:26:09 AM
He's an overweight botoxed hasbeen. Guns N' Roses ended after the Use Your Illusion. The GNR of today is a bunch of mediocre musicians fronted by a braided ginger fat man. It would be an absolute insult for the old members to even consider rejoining. CD is an astonishingly fucking bad album.
COMMENT | Nope posted by : ticketsthere 11/17/2009 11:32:53 AM
Go listen to groups like Fight Like Apes, Grand Pocket Orchestra, Michael Buble, Pete Doherty and all that other crap that's considered music and you'll hear shitty albums. Chinese Democracy is a great album and your problem is just that it doesn't sound like the old Guns N Roses.
Chinese Democracy is over produced in places but the songs are solid and we can't wait to hear them played live. If you don't like the new stuff, move on!
Also, Axl isn't fat, the mans fucking built a house these days. Have a look at Slash and you'll see a fat man. Despite that, I don't think either of their weights affect their performance so not really the strongest argument you could have jumped on flumphert?
Oh, I don't like Guns N Rose because Axl's fat!
Good one, sensible argument from a total Eejit! Please don't tell anyone else you're from Ireland, you'll shame us!
COMMENT | posted by : Lasse Bruce 11/17/2009 11:34:29 AM
I hope Guns N' Roses comes to Denmark. If you don't like Axl and CD then go and watch some Disney Channel. I've heard Slash is gonna be on the next episode of Hannah Montana.
COMMENT | I don't want the original line up. posted by : Dig Bick 11/17/2009 11:39:46 AM
I have to agree that thats the past. While I think the current line up of GN'R is boring as fuck (DJ Ashba is a fucking 80's poser). When Robin Finck was writing/playing with them he is a very talented guitarist and I think fit very well into the fold. Axl can do whatever he wants and we as fans of his past music can choose to embrace or reject whatever the fuck he does. Honestly Chinese Democracy was a decent album. I don't think he should call it GN'R he should call it Axl Rose. Because thats what it is a solo project. But he owns the name so he can do whatever he wants with that. I think a reunion would be boring the original members would write a bunch of half ass crap, If Velvet Revolver's music is crap, picture Axl singing his lyrics over that shit. It would suck worse than the last GN'R record in my opinion. Really I hope they never get back together leave the legacy the way it was. Somehow... I think a reunion will happen sooner or later though. Watch and see.
COMMENT | Lasse Bruce posted by : ticketsthere 11/17/2009 11:40:48 AM
COMMENT | posted by : deathcore sux 11/17/2009 12:33:48 PM
i always thought GNR was overrated, got lucky with a couple good tunes, but they don't have a legacy. they never put out albums on a consistent basis, they're considered "one of the best" rock bands ever for 2 albums?? c'mon man!! But like most ppl say on b-mouth "don't like em, don't listen to them", and i don't
COMMENT | ticketsthere posted by : BSlash24 11/17/2009 12:42:23 PM
I agree with you that I respect Axl for doing exactly what he wants. He plays 100% by his rules. That's Rocknroll, yes..He's making music that he wants to, and that too is great. I don't like when artist try to figure what their fans want, it backfires....on the other hand doing what he wants can bite you in the ass too. In Axl's case his done everything wrong thing to an extreme.
You can say "Slash fans bitching about Axl", but even if you are an Axl fan, what is there to celebrate? One album in 15+ years? A glorified tribute band that plays SLASH's guitar parts note for note?...he dismantled a great, classic band. It is GnR in name only. I don't care if the next guy is better than Slash, Izzy, can shred faster than Vai, who cares? Its flesh & blood that make up a band, its chemistry that makes great music & magic. This current lineup has NONE of that. Zero...so call it Axl Rose solo. Why keep that name, its not what it is.
I dont' want him to reunite with the old band either, now. Its over. That chemistry was there 15-20 years ago, but move on from the name GNR. Start appreciating your fans that stuck by you 15 years while you dismantled band after band. Who knows who will be in the "band" come Japan? and Who cares? who can identify? Any great robotical player can play Slash with ease, who cares? Create something great on your own. This is a shame, 100%. He's a laughing stock...and then he finally releases this 15 year piece of genius rocknroll...only its..."ok", no one cares about Axl by himself.
Appetite for Destruction, Use Your Illusion 1 & II, Lies and Chinese Democracy.
Most rock bands with 20 albums generally only five that are worth while anyway.
COMMENT | posted by : theyearsofdecay 11/17/2009 12:43:54 PM
ticketsthere, go spam another site; nobody cares about your URL.
ps: the sheeps are the koreans that bought tix to GNR. Baaaaaaah baaaaaaah baaaaaah
COMMENT | posted by : theyearsofdecay 11/17/2009 12:44:20 PM
Oh and BTW, lunch time over, go back to work pal :-)
COMMENT | BSlash24 posted by : ticketsthere 11/17/2009 12:47:46 PM
Axl himself said that if he made a solo album it would have been completely different. When he started Chinese Democracy it was with the old band and over the years people left but the album had to be completed. There's too much money in there and I very much doubt the record company would have let him call it a solo album, no where near enough sales.
That could be the reason Axl hasn't gotten behind Chinese Democracy, because he didn't have control over it the way he likes to an he could just be getting his revenge on Geffen. He'll do the tour he's obligated to do but I think that's pretty much it.
Maybe the next one will be an Axl Rose record but for this one, it had to be Guns N' Roses. Not because Axl necessarily wanted it but because he had no other choice. He wanted the songs out in th world anyway it had to happen.
COMMENT | theyearsofdecay posted by : ticketsthere 11/17/2009 12:53:52 PM
Maybe when you add to the conversation I'll listen to you but when you just talk shit, why would I bother?
Good one, sheep. How original you are. Glad to see you've got such a creative buzz going on there. Can't even specify who you're talking to. In what way or the Koreans sheep huh? Why don't you explain that one? The sheep term is used to criticize people for following the crowd. Apparently, there's no crowd following Guns N Roses so help me out here? Or will you jut come back with some derogatory insult? Kid! (or moron if you're older. Wouldnt want to offend you ;))
By the way, I've mentioned Ireland a few times. If you'd taken the time to check you'd see it's 17:54 over here. Lunch time is long over and I've got a day off...Pal !
COMMENT | ticketsthere posted by : BSlash24 11/17/2009 1:04:27 PM
you said it, $$ talks. which is why Axl isn't completely about the Art. he wants to hide behind a powerful band name. I get that, but its simply not GnR...that doesnt' mean he can't release a great album. The fact he'll do a few shows & "that's it", again, isn't too great for a fan. You get 1 CD, then silence. It is a very odd story to say the least. He was once everywhere, the biggest rocker on the planet, now a imfamous hermit. (which I think is cool)...
but I think he suffers from phobia's or fear of doing this out on his own. He's admitted America is tough on his new direction. I think Korea, and other places, are blind to the fact this isnt' GnR....at least he doesn't dress a guy up like Slash like KiSS does now. But its almost the same.
COMMENT | Axl being fat is relevant posted by : LappyMcNut 11/17/2009 1:07:38 PM
Cause last time I saw him two years ago or so, he was huffing and puffing, and struggling to get through the set. He was off stage sucking oxygen, and overall he sounded like total balls - I mean nothing like CD - in fact I had not known he had corn rolls, and I thought it was an imposter he was so bad
I felt bad for him. He really did not look like he was having fun, and the show lacked any magic.
The only great CD they had was AFD. Illusion 1&2 had some great songs, but lots of filler. Lies was an EP, not a full CD, and is ok, not great at all. Chinese Democracy was okay. Had some good tunes, but was like Use your Illusion, minus any great epic songs like Civil War or Estranged. And it was so over produced and had some of the most annoying drum beats ever heard on a rock CD. So I say one great GNR CD. not five, not even close
All these Axl lovers and the guy can't even throw a US tour together one year after his crappy CD flopped compared to expectations. Shame for his fans, cause he definately has them still
not me though. I like rock, not faggy ballads and all the layers of bullshit he threw into Chinese Mediocrity
COMMENT | posted by : DESERTPLAINS 11/17/2009 1:28:24 PM
Chinese sold over 5 million world wide.
And the old GNR died before UYI. Check the band photo inside, the DEAD! headline behind them was intentional by Axl.
COMMENT | When will people learn??? posted by : cwicker30 11/17/2009 1:52:14 PM
I know for a fact I have learned my lesson when it comes to GNR I am just shocked others havent. If people are tired of everything mthat surrounds this "band" then dont buy the crap that Axl is slinging. He will fade away. In my opinion that cant happen soon enough. Do the world a favor Axl......fall of the face of the earth.
COMMENT | by all accounts 530,000 US sales is posted by : LappyMcNut 11/17/2009 2:03:53 PM
considered a HUGE dissapointment for this CD. There is article after article on it (just google Chinse Democracy and dissapointing), and even Best Buy had to admit it was a flop on their conference call with investors, cause like I said, it flopped next to expectaions.
And considering how sappy and faggy some songs were (This I love, Street of Dreams ....), and geared for pop radio play, CD was not the success most thought it would be. Bottom line
I don't hate it. There are a few songs that I like (Sorry, TWAT), but by no means do I think it is anything special, and overall found it a dissapointment like many GNR fans also did
I just found the CD to lack grit and balls. Too polished for me
With that said, like to see Axl get his shit together and tour and put out another CD
COMMENT | cwicker posted by : BSlash24 11/17/2009 2:04:31 PM
your wish came true long ago. he's not only faded away, he completely disappeared...and no one is buy is crap or product. Chin Dem came & went. It was a tiny blip on the rock n roll radar. If not for the hype, it would have completely been ignore, which it pretty much was anyhow. When's the last time you heard any Chin Dem on the radio. A year ago, for like...2 weeks tops. No one cared. He officially ruined his/the band's career....I feel bad for the new guys that are excited to be apart of "GnR", yet get to sit on their asses day after day...until they quit.
COMMENT | posted by : theyearsofdecay 11/17/2009 2:27:55 PM
ticketsthere, this is Blabbermouth and you'll learn that nobody really gives a poop, even if you write a novel to back yourself up, nobody will read it and it will be forgotten in 3 minutes.
COMMENT | Gn'R doesn't exist anymore, just Axl + musicians posted by : linco 11/17/2009 2:50:06 PM
exist nowadays. No more Guns N' Roses!
COMMENT | ticketsthere posted by : Doros78 11/17/2009 3:04:35 PM
agree with you on that, Axl is fucking great and we need more people like him in rock/metal today. not all those fucking losers thats been on the charts the last 10 years or so that can barely play their instrument and all sing alike. and Axl owns the name so its GNR. and they are great live too at least the 2 times i saw them.
COMMENT | posted by : cosyninja 11/17/2009 5:00:17 PM
"He's an overweight botoxed hasbeen. Guns N' Roses ended after the Use Your Illusion. The GNR of today is a bunch of mediocre musicians fronted by a braided ginger fat man. It would be an absolute insult for the old members to even consider rejoining. CD is an astonishingly fucking bad album".
You're such an idiot. I'm sorry, Axl, especially for a 46 year old guy, is not overweight. He looked pretty fine tune to me when I saw him. And the musicians are fantastic. And I highly doubt, in fact I'm willing to bet you base your opinion on Chinese Democracy on album sales like a jerk-off twit that you are. Did you know Britney Spears sells lots of albums, go buy her stuff. God, your such a loser.
COMMENT | posted by : cosyninja 11/17/2009 5:00:22 PM
"He's an overweight botoxed hasbeen. Guns N' Roses ended after the Use Your Illusion. The GNR of today is a bunch of mediocre musicians fronted by a braided ginger fat man. It would be an absolute insult for the old members to even consider rejoining. CD is an astonishingly fucking bad album".
You're such an idiot. I'm sorry, Axl, especially for a 46 year old guy, is not overweight. He looked pretty fine tune to me when I saw him. And the musicians are fantastic. And I highly doubt, in fact I'm willing to bet you base your opinion on Chinese Democracy on album sales like a jerk-off twit that you are. Did you know Britney Spears sells lots of albums, go buy her stuff. God, your such a loser.
COMMENT | posted by : cosyninja 11/17/2009 5:18:57 PM
"All these Axl lovers and the guy can't even throw a US tour together one year after his crappy CD flopped compared to expectations. Shame for his fans, cause he definately has them still"
Again, it didn't live up to sale expectations? The band hadn't released an album in close to twenty years, and didn't promote it. Those who sell lots of albums these days are manufactured corporate acts. I'm glad it didn't sell a bajillion copies, it just makes the band more for the fans rather than the top 40 crowds. Most you blabberfools need a hit to recognize a band, pretty sad and lame. And again, I'm willing to bet everything that those who trashed didn't even listen to it. You would honestly have to hate music period not to appreciate the song writing and melodies.
Also, who fucking cares if it's "overproduced". Seriously, that's a really lame statement. Sgt. Pepper, considered one of the greatest rock albums of all time is the most overproduced album of all time. And so what? Would you rahter, after 17 years of not releasing an original album, have it sound sloppy and flawed? What's the matter with you guys? Of course it's going to sound perfect and finely tuned! Axl doesn't need to release another AFD, we already have one. What artistic integrity could one claim trying to capitalize on the success of how previous record sounded like? Axl already proved himself on that, he doesn't need to repeat the past. Not to mention how silly it would sound hearing a man in his 40's wrtting about getting wasted on Nighttrain? Axl doesn't live on the streets of L.A. anymore, nor does he "dance" with Mr. Brownstone. So why on earth would anyone expect him to write about it again. Those who do that sound stupid, for example, Saints of Los Angeles. It's embarrassing listening to that album simply because of the content. A bunch of grown men in their 50's trying to compete with the party life of a twenty year old, it's really lame.
Ugh, I'm tired of writing to a bunch of nitwits.
COMMENT | Use Your Ilusions = All killer posted by : Blabberfart 11/17/2009 6:18:34 PM
All the tunes on those were awesome, some might be different, But they're all awesome, regardless of what 80s fanboys say.
COMMENT | AFD Great but Overrated posted by : Blabberfart 11/17/2009 6:22:20 PM
Blabbermouth readers are interesting alright. They couldn't really care less about the band most of the times, just showing off who's the biggest Internet Troll. If you like them you're a 'fanboy' and if you don't...well, you generally have the support of all the other trolls. Pity they haven't anything better to do with their time.
BSlash24:
I said it was all about the $$ for the record companies, which it is. They're a business so what can you expect? Axl cannot be accused of doing anything for the $$ because he hasn't done anything he could have to sell more copies of this record. Hell, he didn't even pose for the art work. Axl has ignored every publicity opportunity for this record given to him and he's still refusing to budge. It's his music, take it or leave it. "That's the Guns N'Roses attitude, I'm just making you aware of it".
LappyMcNut:
Axl has been using an oxygen tank since the Use Your Illusion Tours. Oxygen tanks, lyrics monitors...you name it. The man smoke, runs around stage for two, two and a half hours singing in one of the highest ranges in hard rock for how ever many nights on the trot. Why don't you try that and see how you get on?
Using weight as an excuse is a pathetic, small minded snippy little way of tearing into one of the last surviving rock stars and fuck you for doing so.
Try thinking outside the box and realize exactly what Chinese Democracy has done for music. It's not just about the music, it's about the whole recording, delivery, promotion everything. I know it sounds glorying and praising but Chinese Democracy, Guns N' Roses and Axl Rose is a living breathing example that there are some of the greats still around who aren't afraid to piss everyone off to get their way, to rebel against whats expected and who know how to protect their legacy and move onto new pastures.
Guns has changed, either get with it or forget it but don't tear it down because it's more rock n' roll than anything else out there. Anyone who can't see that, take off your hoddy and find another music because you just don't get it.
COMMENT | posted by : flumphert 11/18/2009 4:32:27 AM
SAD BASTARDS!
COMMENT | BSlash24 posted by : Doros78 11/18/2009 4:40:08 AM
haha he sold around 900000 copies just in the USA wich is very good concidered all the downloading and that he didnt do any promotion or anything. and he does what he wants not what some corporate suits want you to. and Chinese Democracy was a fine album, better then most of the crap thats been on the charts the last few years. and so what he has a night off? everybody has. its not like Hetfield was great on the hall of fame show for Metallica and he's a much worse singer then Axl and sings much easier stuff then him.
COMMENT | ""the band has been around for 24 years" posted by : Scotts_Orange_Juice 11/18/2009 8:02:16 AM
It's NOT a freeekin' band...ok?????
COMMENT | !!!! posted by : Doros78 11/18/2009 8:13:07 AM
it isnt a band????? there are 5-6 people or more in the band and not just Axl so how can it not be a band? and its s very good band too.
COMMENT | apologist posted by : BSlash24 11/18/2009 9:53:53 AM
Doras, that's a band? Who's in it today? Whos in it tomorrow. You don't even know, Axl doesn't either. That's not a band, its a backing/tribute band.
Cosyninga, yes, the "band" is talented. BUt its not GnR. Its a group of highly talented players hired to play old GnR tunes, the majority of which are not even ON Chin Dem. Its a revolving door. You can always find a more talented player than the next guy, but who cares. That's not what makes a band great, there's no magic there.
RE: sales, I agree, sales do not make an album bad...or good. I do like Axl's stance against the record companies, though I guarantee most in his camp are probably scratching their heads as to what his problem even IS!?...
900K copies in the US, while I'd like proof in that, that is not good for GnR. Yes, the climate for rock sales has changed since use your Illuision, but GnR is expected to sell big. They were once a giant in the industry, with the U2's, Bruce's etc. Best Buy, Geffen were banking they'd come close, especially after DUMPING 13 MIL into making an album.
You Don't spend 13 Mil on an album to expect it to be an underground CD, with no promotion, no photos, no interviews. Axl has a problem with Geffen, so F U Geffen(thanks for the 13 mil), and F U Best Buy(thanks for buying all the albums that you had to EAT). Axl wasn't being a rock n rol rebel, he was being a phobic stubburn OLD fool who shot himself in the foot.
Do you think Geffen, or a Best Buy type company is going to get behind Axl(its not GnR, those other fools have ZERO say in this matter) on his next release. I think not. He's committed career suicide.
Why, as a fan, should I get excited for Axl? One album in 15+ years(good luck predicting a next release), no tours, nothing. No thanks...btw, the Ullision albums were great if you're a GnR fan, what filler? My World and Get in the Ring might be the only "filler".
COMMENT | !!! posted by : Doros78 11/18/2009 1:40:14 PM
900000 is pretty big sales today, and without promotion its even greater. and ok Megadeth then isnt a band? Metallica isnt a band because they changed players? its just stupid. Its Axl's band and he can do whatever he wants with it. The bands themselfs should control what they do and when they do it, thats the reason they got big in the first place, but as soon as some outside suits get in its changes but also when bands get big they tend to make at least 1-2 shitty albums, but thats not something that happened to GNR, they just quit, but they would probably have made at least 1 ok album. but Metallica kept going and didnt make a good album for 20 years. i would rather have no album then few shitty ones.
COMMENT | doros posted by : BSlash24 11/18/2009 3:17:21 PM
Metallic is basically the same fundation, the bass player is different, who cares. The core is there. Megadeth is synonomous with Mustaine. and they had their best years with the same lineup, but average rock fans don't know who Elfsen is, or Friedman. But everyone knew the guys in GnR, they were the biggest band on the planet. that comparison you made doesn't work.
The fans have spoken anyhow, no one cared. You can say all you want, but ask around, no one knows of GnR now, or really cares. It came & went, even if you love the album, you have to admit that. This huge genius album Chin Dem was like a tree falling in the forest. No one heard it....900K(exaggeration btw) isn't good when you sink 13 MIL!! into the making of. Or Best Buy purchases 1.5 mil copies. It doesn't cut it. Expectations were WAY higher, and you are simply ignoring the facts. You're an axl apologist...."its good if you don't promote"...that's like saying "its a good album IF you like sappy ballads". If, IF, If...well, he didn't promote AT All. No Tour, that is a disservice to his fans, his "band" (who is in the band Doros?), his label, himself...he's frightened! He's lost is MOJO! Completely. He's holed up. He didnt even want to release the CD by all accounts.
COMMENT | this posted by : BSlash24 11/18/2009 3:22:18 PM
is the funniest line: "The bands themselfs should control what they do and when they do it, thats the reason they got big in the first place"....what the hell did DJ Ashba, Tommy Stinson(who HATED GNR), bucketfoot, bumblehead have ANYTHING to do with getting GnR big? And trust me, they have ZERO say in GnR. Its not a band, a democracy, they are simply hired hands, psyched with possibility of making a decent paycheck. Like Gilby Clarke, any association will benefit their careers. This is a backing band, faceless, each part interchangable, each member could be fired tomorrow. So they play Slash's parts to a T, who cares?
COMMENT | BSlash24 posted by : Doros78 11/18/2009 3:39:31 PM
i just found this funny thats why i made these "stupid" comparisons. so you are saying bands that sell less then million should just quit then?? your saying noone cares??? why did all these people buy the album??? and again it had been downloaded many million times on the internet before it was released. and i cant say Robin Finck or Buckethead or DJ Ashba are exactly faceless. i i dont care if Axl call it Axl Rose or GNR, that should have anything to do with the music itself or if you like it or not. and i was talking about bands in general especialy older bands, they got big because they had the hunger and id things their own way. i just dont understand the hate you have for Axl Rose, he's just a musician/artist and its his live not yours. thing you should try to live your life more then just write some shit about his life. i bet he has it just fine and better then most of us.
COMMENT | misunderstand posted by : BSlash24 11/18/2009 4:40:57 PM
I don't think Axl should retire, I think he should reward his fans with some...output. Maybe a tour? Maybe more than one album...no, he shouldn't quit, unless he wants to. I'm not stating that at all. And I don't hate him...I'm debating the fact that its not GnR, it is in name only. That this isn't really a band, other than being a hired backup band, that has pretty much no say. otherwise, dont' you think the others would say "enough, we are musicians, let go do what we do, PLAY!".
No, I don't think the general public cares about Guns & Roses, in its current state, anymore. Yes, it sold anywhere between 500K & 900K, depending on where you read it, but most of those sales were hardcore people who were curious. But the sales were about maxed out after the first 3 weeks, which tells me, it fizzled, no one cared. Heard any of this stuff on the radio lately? Or even after the first 2 weeks. Nope. Cuz there was ZERO demand. if there was demand, there'd be play....does that make it a shitty record, no, but it does show, other than the hardest core fans, no one cared...and GnR was a Giant, that Axl turned into a midget...
I was a fan, and don't "hate" Axl Rose, I just don't think there's any meat on the bone, no substance, no product, no music, nothing to get excited about being his fan...and I'd argue that bands are the PEOPLE in them, the creators of the music, the energy, the hype they create. That chemistry brought you such an incredible band, you can't just replace key members and say "here you go, Guns & Roses"...a tribute band isn't THE band. Nor is ONE person...yes, you can maybe switch a drummer(sorum), but with each subtraction, you get further from the winning combination. There are exceptions, but not trading in a WHOLE band, (2 or 3 times over) and expect it to be the same band. its not. (and no, I don't want a reunion, the time has come & past).
COMMENT | PS posted by : BSlash24 11/18/2009 4:44:48 PM
I'm debating with you, I suggest you get the concept that he's "Just an artist", just a man, that makes many mistakes. As a fan, I can look back & question what he does, no blind faith in Axl Rose. thats part of the fun of fandom, either music, sport, you can question what goes on. No, I can't do better, but I can still be critical. I think you are covered in the paint you try to brush me with. (wasn't that clever!).
COMMENT | !!! posted by : Doros78 11/18/2009 6:40:04 PM
yea it would be nice to get more music after all this time, but who gives a shit what the general public things? its not like they listen to music, just listen to the hits and and maybe 1-2 other songs on a album. but still i think its a very good album but very different from the band that made Appetite and the Illusions albums. but as i fan im just happy that the true fans realy like the album and im happy to be a fan of many bands that have only true fans that realy listen to the music and dont give shit about what the public things or if the bands is supposed to be cool or not or how old they are or whatever
COMMENT | posted by : cosyninja 11/18/2009 8:02:01 PM
BSlash24
I see where you are coming from. And the reason a lot of people feel so strongly over GnR having to be the original line up compared to bands like Megadeth or Fleetwood Mac, who both went through musicians like a smorgasbord, is because GNR was so animated. Old GNR were like comic book characters. They dressed over the top, the acted over the top, they sounded (and still do) amazing, they were controversial, and they had attitudes that appealed to the angst and yet were sophisticated enough to appeal to the mature audience. They were just larger than life. Now it's reduced to one remaining alumni. Which leaves people with just the music. So yes, I agree, it's not the same visually, there is no more controversy, kids can't look up to them like super heroes anymore (at least I did when I was a kid), it's now just about the music. And it sucks in its own right, but the music integrity still remains. And honestly, had the original line up stayed, I believe the music would have slowly become more generic sounding, like the way most bands do. And even the way Slash's writing had evolved into. Although, with Axl's voice, it's hard to imagine Axl in the context of 'generic' sounding music. But it would've lost its drive, most likely. When I hear Chinese Democracy, I hear superb craftsmanship. It's not hungry sounding the way young bands of the 80's sounded, it sounds mature, but appealing as hell.
Whether or not Axl should have kept the original name is a matter of opinion. I personally don't see why not, other than the fact that it longer represents the comic book image it once portrayed, but that's not what its about anymore. It's about the music. And as far as I'm concerned, Axl wanted the lineup as it was, but Slash left Axl because he couldn't handle anyone steering the ship but himself. Hence why Slash can't, for the life of him, hold a band together. He forgot his role as guitar player, and wanted to be the frontman. But Slash was a junkie, and junkies don't lead. And when we hear Slash's Axl bashing, you're listening to the side of a junkie, and you're buying the negative flack Axl has received over the last couple of decades without really ever hearing Axl's side of the story. Axl struggled to keep GNR together, but they bailed, so why should he give up the name. Why should he let alcoholics and junkies take away what he worked so hard to achieve? The way I see it, it's their loss.
And as far as album sales and people caring. His last tour in 06' was successful, and Chinese Democracy went to number 1 in lots of countries, including here in Canada. And it sold well into the millions worldwide. Only in the U.S. did it receive poor attention, and only from the expectation point of view. But like I said earlier, it just makes GNR for the fans now, and not the top 40 crowd. It just makes it easier to get front row at a show, and its quite easy to get an autograph of the guy. It's win win for me.
COMMENT | cosyninga posted by : BSlash24 11/19/2009 9:25:41 AM
you makes some great points, no doubt...I don't think GnR, even at their biggest were ever attractted a Top 40 crowd. They were so big that yes, they attracted more girls, a cross over. But it still was rock crowd.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the using the Name. What's a name then? Why not just change all the members? What if Duff got legal custody of the name, and he was out as GnR? Its foolish. Its not GnR....same if Tyler fired perry & band. That's ASmith, or Jagger fired Richards. Those players can't be replaced & still have it be that band.
I do agree with you re: Slash. He was a junkie, and that must have been hard to deal with. But so were many, I'd like to think you'd try to get them help, keep the band going...maybe Axl did try that and got fed up? But Duff was clean when he quit. He quit cuz Axl was impossible to work with. Matt, all of them...and his current "band" comes & goes? Where's Buckethead? stinson, you name them, they all leave. So will this next group, waiting for years to do ONE thing.
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