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Stage Diver At CLUTCH Concert Faces Eight Years In Prison
- Feb. 8, 2005
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The Associated Press is reporting that a man charged with injuring two women when he dived off the stage at a heavy metal concert said he never realized someone in the crowd could be hurt.
Joseph Seink wept Monday (Feb. 7) while testifying in his trial on two counts of felonious assault. Authorities say two 28-year-old Cleveland women each suffered a cracked neck vertebra but no serious spinal damage when the 195-pound Seink landed on them last June 4 at Scene Pavilion downtown.
Seink, 34, of suburban Solon, said he sneaked backstage to see his favorite band, CLUTCH, and celebrated by jumping into the crowd when his favorite song began.
"The last thing I wanted was to hurt anybody," Seink testified during his one-day trial in Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Court.
He could be sentenced to two to eight years in prison if convicted of both charges, said Jamie Dalton, a spokeswoman for the county prosecutor's office.
Judge Nancy Fuerst is expected to rule Wednesday.
"He should have known he was going to hurt somebody," said Brian Deckert, an assistant county prosecutor.
Catherine Tressa and Tammie Myers both said they didn't expect someone would jump off the stage over security guards during the concert.
Witnesses told Seink's public defender, Walter Camino, that heavy metal shows are characterized by violent slam dancing. Occasionally, witnesses said, audience members dive off the stage, expecting the crowd to catch them.
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COMMENT | HA!!!
posted by : FugaziOsbourne
2/8/2005 11:45:14 AM
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34 years old? What an ultra maroon!!!!
These are the kind of assbags that make good Rock/Metal shows these days a pain in the ass......
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COMMENT | sad...
posted by :
2/8/2005 11:45:24 AM
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but I hope douche bags will learn their lesson...
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COMMENT | "both said they didn't expect someone would jump off the stage"
posted by : brickshithouse
2/8/2005 11:49:43 AM
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...why the fuck are people like this UP FRONT at a Clutch show....or any show for that matter....
that's like standing two feet in front of Barry Bonds and then saying "well...I didn't think he'd connect with one...."
More evidence of a society that protects and values the dumb....
BSH (~\m/~)
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COMMENT | haha
posted by :
2/8/2005 11:51:03 AM
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Stupid fat fuckers should not be stage diving!! I hate all the pricks who stage dive or float and have combat boots on or are tubs of shit!! He was old enough to know better....I'm 6'4" 250 lbs and you'd never see me doing this shit. I'm not saying big fuckers shouldn't have fun, they just ought to have more consideration for those around them. Just my opinion.
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COMMENT | 34 year old 195-pound
posted by : Jizz_Master_0
2/8/2005 11:51:08 AM
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pussy .... he wept ... well i wept when my dick shrunk after going into the pool ... gimme a fuckin break
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COMMENT |
posted by : frutiger
2/8/2005 11:54:39 AM
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^^^^^^^
"well i wept when my dick shrunk after going into the pool ..."
LOL
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COMMENT | HEY THENECROWIZARD.....
posted by : FugaziOsbourne
2/8/2005 11:57:42 AM
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I hope that's sarcasm......
The sweaty fat guys should fuck straight off (and probably go fuck each other, as that is probably the underlying problem anyway).....
Metal stole pits from Punk and never learned to do it right. I myself am not worried, cus' I'm a pretty big guy.....but I'm always happy to lend an elbow or knee to any inbred fukwad that bumps into me when I'm trying to watch a show....
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COMMENT | They Should Have Known
posted by : ~CAIN~
2/8/2005 12:01:41 PM
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That's why you keep you arms up! To catch people stage diving. FUCK!!! You would think these girls would have used a little bit of judgment before getting in the pit. That kind of behavior is to be expected! I broke my arm and dislocated a knee cap in the pit after falling from crowd surfing at an Iron Maiden/Anthrax show. I didn't sue anyone over that or put anyone away. It was my own stupid fault for getting trampled. I just wasn't fast enough on my feet and I paid the price. So what, a few bruises and a couple of casts later. I was fine, and I still rip it up in the pit 15 years later. I feel bad for dude. 8 years in prison?!?! That doesn't seem right. He was at a show having fun.
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COMMENT | stagediving is good fucking fun
posted by :
2/8/2005 12:02:45 PM
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don't like it, don't stand in the front.
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COMMENT | this guy is an a*hole
posted by : Yambag
2/8/2005 12:07:26 PM
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this fat f*ck stage dives on top of 2 girls . Is he a complete moron.
I don't think he should get jail time but he should pay along with the club for the girls medical expenses.
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COMMENT | Thanks MTV!
posted by : podoshj
2/8/2005 12:09:20 PM
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Now stupid assholes stage dive at Clutch shows. Gimme a break
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COMMENT | Why Is Getting, Pushed, Shoved And Punched Part Of The Show ?
posted by : HORRORHOLIC
2/8/2005 12:09:48 PM
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If people want to be involved with that then fine but if not why should someone be hit for wanting to see the band and hear the music ?
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COMMENT | BSH
posted by :
2/8/2005 12:32:30 PM
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So true man.
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COMMENT | Simple Solution
posted by : WartOfLemmy
2/8/2005 12:36:18 PM
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If you don't want to get hurt at a show, stand the f**k back. I agree that it is pretty much lame to have some drunk load stagediving anyhow, but its to be expected, like tackling at a football game, or checking at a hockey game. If you don't like it, stay off the sidelines and don't stand in front of the stage.
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COMMENT | FugaziOsbourne
posted by : Jizz_Master_0
2/8/2005 12:36:51 PM
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is a dipshit
plain. simple. fuckwad ? yea ...
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COMMENT |
posted by : backslider
2/8/2005 12:59:42 PM
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http://neilsedaka.proboards31.com/index.cgi?action=login2
awesome board with talk of porno, booze, weed smoke, and the greatest musician alive Gary Dee Bradford!
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COMMENT | good analogy
posted by : well-z
2/8/2005 12:59:55 PM
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wartoflemmy makes a good point.....just like when you put yourself at risk of injury at a sporting event when you want to be close to the action the same applies to concerts with general admission
I always love it at the start of shows like SLAYER.....you can easily pick out the people that will be gone by the end of the first song.....it amazes me that some people think they can just pick a spot in front and hold it.....the entire crowd moves, ebbs and flows throughout the show, you have to be ready for anything
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COMMENT | moshin'
posted by :
2/8/2005 1:05:27 PM
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I'm just going off the report, so I don't know if there was a pit or not, but stagediving dudes need to check the crowd to see if it's "happening" or not before flying into people. Injuries at a show?? It's happened more than once and always will regardless of postings that "this or that" is not allowed. Sure, it's unfortunate and noone like getting hurt, but that is a risk when you are upfront. As much as I liked moshing and surfing, once you are over the age of 30, cease and desist!!!! Slamming is for the younger kids..
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COMMENT | ......
posted by : killabilla
2/8/2005 1:06:07 PM
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what the fuck is up with Ohio and the fans there this past year?!?!?! First, this moron and then the loss of Dimebag! I say let's stay away from there....hahahaha....seriously, though, what the fuck is up?
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COMMENT | well-z
posted by :
2/8/2005 1:14:25 PM
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you're right, i always notice some prissy 16 yr old hot topic girls at about any show and they always run out pretty fast. most stage divers i've encountered are idiots who jump like 5 inches in the air and about kick the people in the front row. that really pisses me off. if you're going to do it actually jump and jump at the pit where people are expecting to get hit.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
2/8/2005 1:31:00 PM
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there's plenty of precident for this case to be thrown out. you assume a certain amount of risk by being up front at a rock show.
as for the few people calling the guy a fat fuck or whatever, 190 pounds is not even remotely fat unless he's really short for a guy. morons.
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COMMENT | Ohio highlighted again
posted by :
2/8/2005 1:40:34 PM
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kids freeze outside after being beaten, girls get their necks snapped, people get trampled, crowds riot and set fire to town, and musicians get shot. Maybe this isn't such a boring place.
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COMMENT | a farewell to kings
posted by : Van Hammersley
2/8/2005 1:42:03 PM
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good point!
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COMMENT | hpatton
posted by : WartOfLemmy
2/8/2005 1:59:57 PM
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I agree that standing still 190 pounds isn't that big at all, depending on stature......
But when they come flying at you off of a stage or balcony, physics makes for a big change. Doesn't matter if they are 90 pounds or 300 pounds, if someone isn't paying attention, someone will get hurt.
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COMMENT | KREATOR 4-22-2005
posted by : Hellfire(~\m/~)
2/8/2005 2:00:18 PM
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At the Pound in SF. I will be standing somewhere away from the pit. I'm too old even if I am 6'1" and weigh 240 pounds. I just want to watch the show and soak up the sounds of Kreator, Vader and Death Angel. That's not too much to ask, I believe.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
2/8/2005 2:15:37 PM
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Well on the one hand these two woman should have known what they were getting them selves into going to a Clutch show. I mean this aint Barry Manelo so you should know there's a good chance off stage diving and such.
But on the other hand I know what's its like to have a fuckin whale crowdsurf over my neck and land on my head. So I think if ya weigh more than 150ish you probably shouldn't be crowdsurfing or stage diving at all. Show some respect for the ppl your landing on.
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COMMENT | old school
posted by : WartOfLemmy
2/8/2005 2:20:42 PM
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The sports analogy wasn't aimed at people harassing other folks in the crowd. Just making a point that folks should assume that there are risks everywhere, including sporting events..football, baseball (line drives hurt like a bitch), even NASCAR when bumpers, tires, or body panels ( or parts haha!) come flying over the fence. When people choose to go to shows and they stand in front, they should assume they are at risk.
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COMMENT | Jizz_Master_0......
posted by : FugaziOsbourne
2/8/2005 2:47:34 PM
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......I take it from your comment that your a "sweaty fat guy" and were insulted by my comment...
....or are you the guy I elbowed in the skull when your were having a "sweaty fat guy moment" at the BLS show a couple of weeks ago????
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COMMENT |
posted by :
2/8/2005 3:38:20 PM
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fucking lame kids you shouldent dive
what a crock of shit we dived and slamed at the best of bands
suicidal tendencies biohazard slayer its part of the show
and 180 pounds is light
you dont want to get involved dont go in the pit
your in the pit your fair game that simple
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COMMENT | oldschool
posted by : RightyO
2/8/2005 4:33:36 PM
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I'm with oldschool on this one.
Move and watch the diver crack their damn skull open.
Act like a choad, be treated like a choad.
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COMMENT | the thing that was said that made the most sense:
posted by : heavyjay
2/8/2005 4:44:34 PM
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''stagediving dudes need to check the crowd to see if it's "happening" or not before flying into people''
Stagediving is fun and virtually harmless if performed correctly. Kinda like anal sex, y'know: if you're not careful you can hurt the bitch bad ;)
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COMMENT | Didn't think he could hurt anyone?
posted by :
2/8/2005 4:52:00 PM
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Crying? Fuck that. Stupid, though. Remember all that trouble those NFL jocks got in maybe 10 years ago, when they stage-dived and injured a couple of people at some lame Everclear show? I'm sure some of you who may be 14 don't, but that guy was 34. I weigh 220 and bench about 150% of what I weigh. I'm always aware that there are more fragile people around me. That said, if you see some blimp coming down on you, step the fuck out of the way and let the concrete floor catch them.
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COMMENT | 7thdwarf = poser
posted by :
2/8/2005 4:58:07 PM
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"I weigh 220 and bench about 150% of what I weigh. I'm always aware that there are more fragile people around me."
You should put that barbell down and pull your boyfriends cock out of your ass, dunce. You are pathetic! You remind me of a hobo begging for scrap chitlins at the back of a soup kitchen. I wish I was there stage diving, I would target your fat, bald ass head and put my boot to your skull for being the ultimate douchebag.
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COMMENT | Stupid bitches
posted by :
2/8/2005 4:59:21 PM
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and when did 195 pounds become fat? Unless you're 5'6", it isn't.
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COMMENT | oldschool......
posted by : FugaziOsbourne
2/8/2005 5:06:23 PM
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"fucking morons who only showed up to get their juvenile aggression out"
.....very well said.
It's one thing when it's kids....but if your an adult (especially over 30) then, I'm sorry, but you get what you get.
Maybe this guy will learn new ways people work out their male aggression in prison......ouch.
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COMMENT | oldschool
posted by : Hellfire(~\m/~)
2/8/2005 5:10:16 PM
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"Lemmy's Coco Puff" - BWA HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That's a good one!
Like I said earlier, I will sit back away from the pit. If I had my druthers, everyone would sit back and actually LISTEN and watch the show, but I know that's asking too much.
Guys, there is no right or wrong in this argument. I accept the responsibility of going to a show where I know there will be moshing/brawling/violence. It is also MY responsibility to make sure I don't get hurt. So, having said that, I'll not only watch the show, but people other than myself bent on moshing getting their proverbial asses handed to them. Sounds like fun, eh?
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COMMENT | Stagediving chicks...
posted by : Kong Pikk
2/8/2005 5:14:28 PM
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Whenever a chick is stagediving or crowdsurfing right next to where I'm standing in the crowd, I always make sure to discreetly cup a feel if she's hot.
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COMMENT | fuck this...
posted by : severedsavior
2/8/2005 5:23:54 PM
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i don't think he should get 8 fucking years. but it does suck that he hurt 2 people that bad.
BUT WHAT I REALLY FUCKING HATE...ARE THE MORONS WHO THINK THAT MOSHING OR SLAMMING IS THE SAME AS FIGHTING...YOU GO IN THE PIT HAVE SOME FUN...AND SOME DICKHEAD STARTS PUNCHING AND KICKING YOU...THEN SOME IDIOT EVEN WANTS TO START HITTING THE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T EVEN "IN THE FUCKING PIT"...JUST STANDING ON THE SIDE AND ENJOYING THE SHOW.
6-12-04 DEICIDE WITH OPENERS ARKHON INFAUSTUS AT THE PATRONAAT IN HAARLEM. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SET SOME IDIOT RUNS UP AND HITS MY GIRLFRIEND. AND WE WERE STANDING PRETTY MUCH IN THE BACK. NEEDLESS TO SAY I JUMPED IN THE PIT AND GAVE THE FUCKER A RIGHT PUNCH TO THE JAW, FLOORED HIM IMMEDIATELY. EVEN DAVE SUZUKI STARTED SMILING AS THEY DRAGGED THE GUY'S SORRY ASS TO THE SIDE...
point is..the pit is to have some fun...sure it will get violent...but it ain't a fucking fight...and if you want to start punching and hitting people...expect to get your asskicked...well that's my opinion anyways.
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COMMENT | I think these stage diving
posted by :
2/8/2005 6:16:58 PM
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loosers, well these dudes probably don't really like the band they are there to see all that much. They are there to be phsycal and act like tough guys since they kow they are bigger than most. It never fails to see some kind of altercation because some idiot decided to start a moshpit while some dudes where just watching the band. So is it sign of the times ok fuck, I'll move back then its cool. I personally would like to watch the band at close quarters and have them blast the sound into my skull which is why I'm at a show for. But these loosers fuck it up for me manyy times and I'm too old to be fighting each and every itme this shit happens. Its not about being tough its about why I'm there which is to have a good time not to go and get into a fight cause if I did get into one I'd probaby slice one of these fat motherfuckers gut open and have his guts spill allover the floor.
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COMMENT | at the show homeboy was aggressive and tough
posted by :
2/8/2005 6:19:45 PM
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in court bitch is crying and weeping. take a hint
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COMMENT | at the show homeboy was aggressive and tough
posted by :
2/8/2005 6:19:53 PM
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in court bitch is crying and weeping. take a hint
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COMMENT | Here's another reason to allow security......
posted by : The Govner
2/8/2005 6:44:59 PM
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To beat down ANYBODY that tries to get onstage!
The days of stagediving is OVER!
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COMMENT |
posted by :
2/8/2005 7:15:19 PM
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hi girls,
if you can't stand the heat, then get the FUCK OUT of the pit.
"Teehee, we didn't realize it would be rough up there, squeezed in between all the raging moshing 200lb guys.
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COMMENT | this jackass
posted by : Yambag
2/8/2005 7:21:46 PM
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He had to sneek backstage to stagedive, it's not like he climbed up in front of the crowd . How could the girls put their hands up if the never saw him coming till it was too late . At 34 it's time to take some responsibility.
This is guy total fucking asshole and where was the security !!!!
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COMMENT | "The days of stagediving is OVER!"
posted by :
2/8/2005 8:29:44 PM
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really? I stagedive at shows all the time. In fact I did it today too, along with a bunch of other guys, during the entire show. And guess what? Nobody got hurt.
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COMMENT | REMEMBER THIS
posted by :
2/8/2005 9:32:57 PM
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GRAVITY ALWAYS GETS THE LAST LAUGH
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COMMENT | Did you heard what happened?
posted by :
2/8/2005 10:21:05 PM
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At the last Damageplan show ? stupid ! Some guy snuck in backstage and ran on the stage and murdered some people and then got himself killed. Sound familiar? I've seen Clutch a few times and I dont recall even a pit going let alone stagediving. not that kind of band Grow up dude! Long live Clutch
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COMMENT | BOO HOO
posted by :
2/8/2005 11:24:17 PM
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Fuck those girls...I'm sick and tired of hearing people bitch and complain about getting run into, hit or hurt while standing in the FRONT ROW OF A METAL CONCERT. If you don't want to be hurt, get in the back with the other people. Goddamn...just cause you're a pussy doesn't mean the other fans have to suffer. Don't expect the people who interact with the band, the music and each other to stand still just to accomodate your punk asses!! Crowd surfing, stage diving and moshing should be allowed, especially at metal shows. What next? Are they gonna tell us Slayer fans not to start pits now?? Fuck that and fuck those stupid girls!
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COMMENT |
posted by :
2/8/2005 11:53:44 PM
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metal shows will always have pits. they will always have stage diving.
if you are complaining about it, you either do not go to metal shows, or you are a gigantic pussy. just stay out of the way or stand in the back if you don't like it.
clutch might not be the heaviest band, but i could definately see someone stage diving at one of their shows. it sucks what happened to those girls, but locking the dude up for something like this is insane.
and for all you toughguys out there talking about, "i'm a big guy, but i don't mosh, and i throw elbows and knees at peopel who do, blah blah blah, small penis, not actually part of my local metal scene,just show up to drink beer and rock my new motley tee, etc", i just wanted to let you know: come on out to ct and try throwing an elbow at me when i'm dancing. i'll sort all you fake toughguys out real quick.
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COMMENT | I see I have a new friend...
posted by :
2/8/2005 11:58:18 PM
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Just a counter proposal, oh "Necrowizard". Get off your fat lazy ass and get in a gym. Maybe get in some work with on a heavy bag and have someone help you with your technique. With your attitude, you probably have trouble staying out of fights. It's usually better when you can win them. I always find it interesting that people are so noisy when they post shit to the net, but they hardly ever get in my face at shows, in bars, or on the street corner. I wonder why?
That overwith. I had one other thought. Why the fuck is this guy looking at a felony rap? He may not have been real wise, but it was a fucking accident. That's about the stupidest thing I ever heard of. This dumbshit Vietnamese kid in a riced-out Honda obliterated my car the other day. He didn't get cuffed and stuffed for that, nor would he have if I hadn't walked away from the wreck. Nobody died. The chicks should just sue the guy, and that should be that. District Attorneys suck.
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COMMENT | hmmm
posted by :
2/9/2005 1:42:47 AM
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Shit, I read the entire msg board and agree with both sides.
Nah, now that I think about it stagediving is gay (literally if you think about it). Just pit and keep your face defended!
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COMMENT | The system hasl failed!
posted by : Odin87th
2/9/2005 4:02:51 AM
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Suppose this guy would be sentenced to 8 years prison; man, that would be rediculous and another fine example that the U.S. system of justice sucks BIGTIME!
THEY BUILD ANOTHER PRISON FOR YOU AND FOR ME
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COMMENT | hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
posted by :
2/9/2005 4:28:13 AM
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last year at the big day out the lead singer of the BLACK EYED PEAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! stagedived into the crowd and had no problems with the crowd probably consisting mostly of 15 year old girls hahahahaha ya bunch of fucking pussies.
And to all you whiny fucks that complain "I have every right to go down the front and not get pushed" well jewish people had every right to walk through downtown Berlin in 1942 but ya know what THEY FUCKING DIDN'T and why you ask?
Coz they knew exactly what would have happened if they did same as these two bitches should of known what COULD have happened if they went down the front of a show if you people are just there for the music just sit back a bit and enjoy the rocking but the front is for the people who use heavy music as a release, not everyone has to play an instrument and watch the technical abilities of the guitar player some people just need to let loose isnt music suppose to make ya get all that angry shit out
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COMMENT | Fatasses stay on the ground!
posted by : Bongwater
2/9/2005 11:10:22 AM
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Here's a hint of wisdom... I you are over 180 lbs you need to keep your feet on the ground at shows! No one wants to carry your fat ass! Everytime a big dude is crowd surfing near me or if I get kicked in the head by a crowd surfer, I promptly grab them by the neck and bring them down head first onto the concrete.. HARD!
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COMMENT | then
posted by :
2/9/2005 12:18:38 PM
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that makes you a moron, Mr Bongwater.
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COMMENT | HOD, to use your own logic....
posted by : Bongwater
2/9/2005 12:58:55 PM
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don't like it, don't land on my head.
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COMMENT | I never hurt anyone on purpose
posted by :
2/9/2005 2:07:06 PM
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and if someone hit or kick me for surfing on top of them, they better fucking expect to get it back tenfold. I've had my nose broken by a stagediver, but I didn't start to cry and bitch about it, cause I was front fucking row, and stagedivers were going over me/landing on top of me all the time. I knew it would be like that, and I expect it to be. If I can't stagedive and mosh at shows, I probably wouldn't even go. Wanna hear some music? Stay home in the sofa. Don't go to shows and bother people with your bullshit attitude. And it's not about 'diving onto people enjoying a show'. It's about diving on the people in the front. They should fucking know what's coming. If they don't, then they are out of their element.
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COMMENT | Stay at home?
posted by : Bongwater
2/9/2005 2:32:12 PM
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I will go where I fucking well please. If one of my bands rolls through town, I'll be there. Yes, I expect a good mosh. Most of the time it doesn't bother me at all. I know I'm far too big to jump on top of people so I don't do it. I mind my own business and I'm usually one of the dudes who picks people up and out of harms way when the fall in the pit. But if I get hit unexpectedly, I get just a little pissed. I don't cry and bitch, I simply take action. In any situation, if you hit or hurt someone (purposely or while just acting a fool) then YOU should fucking know what's coming. If you don't, then its your head to the ground.
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COMMENT | of course you can go were you want to
posted by :
2/9/2005 3:09:35 PM
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you can go hanging out on the freeway too, but chanses are you eventually will get hit by a car, and get hurt. Comes with the territory. I get in the pit I expect people to go crazy, and I expect to catch stagedivers, just like I expect other people to catch me. On the rare occasions I don't wanna mosh/stagedive. I stand to the side, or further in the back. I don't stand in the middle of the pit drinking beer and expect no one to bump into me
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COMMENT | oldschool
posted by :
2/9/2005 3:16:05 PM
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if someone attack me on purpose, I will fucking hit them back. If someone dives on top of me it's part of the show. Things can go wrong when chaos ensues. Most of the times nothing happens. Occasionally someone breaks a nose or a finger or bust a knee, or whatever. No big deal
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COMMENT | well
posted by :
2/9/2005 3:28:11 PM
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I go to 2-3 shows a week, and I do this all the time, and 99,9 % of the time there no problem. Wanna act like a pussy? stay home listening to your german power metal records.
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COMMENT | Diving is to have fun
posted by :
2/9/2005 3:32:19 PM
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punching people is to injure them. Pretty simple. I don't mind getting a few bruises, but if someone attacks me it's something else.
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COMMENT | ....
posted by :
2/9/2005 3:37:23 PM
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*scratches balls*
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