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RONNIE JAMES DIO And GENE SIMMONS Didn't Invent 'Devil's Horns' — JOHN LENNON Did
- Feb. 16, 2005
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The following article was originally published by the Ear Candy magazine: Over the last few years there have been two artists that have claimed to have created the famous heavy metal "devil's horns" hand signal: Ronnie James Dio ( BLACK SABBATH) and Gene Simmons ( KISS). You know the "devil's horns" signal? It is the universal heavy metal sign for "you rock", usually used in unison with the music at heavy metal concerts. Not to get satanical or anything, but the sign is supposed to represent the sign of the beast, with horns represented by the index finger and pinkie raised. If you raise both hands with this sign, the band "really rocks!" That are two heavy metal rockers from the '70s both laying claim. Ronnie James Dio claimed to have created the gesture before joining BLACK SABBATH in 1978. Gene Simmons also claims credit, writing in his 2002 autobiography that it was the bass-playing demon of KISS that created the international heavy metal symbol. So there is no evidence that the symbol was created earlier than the '70s...or is there?! We have discovered irrefutable photographic evidence that is was none other than Beatle John Lennon that created the famous sign in 1967. Furthermore, it was even used in animation for the BEATLES "Yellow Submarine" (just check the original vinyl album cover). These are two photographic images that can be tied down to specific years PRIOR to the '70s. The photo of Lennon giving the sign appeared in one of the first BEATLES pictures in which the band promoted the upcoming "Yellow Submarine" animated movie. Since the BEATLES changed appearance often and were one of the most photographed icons of the '60s, it is possible to date the photo between June and October of '67. "Yellow Submarine" was being animated between '67 & '68, so the cartoon image of John flashing the heavy metal sign can also be verified date-wise. Although the film "Yellow Submarine" was released in 1968, the vinyl album (on which one can clearly see Lennon displaying the sign) was not released in the U.S. until 1969. But that is still years before Ronnie James Dio or Gene Simmons! What other ties does Lennon have to heavy metal? Well, he claimed that the BEATLES song, "Ticket To Ride" was "one of the earliest heavy metal records ever made". How fitting that it was Lennon who also created the best-known symbol of heavy metal! For current issues of Ear Candy, please visit www.earcandymag.com.
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COMMENT | hmmm
posted by : Saikohs 2/16/2005 5:08:39 AM
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in the Picture it looks like his thumb is sticking out...
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COMMENT | Not proof
posted by : RebelRobot 2/16/2005 5:13:32 AM
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Ronnie James Dio started his career in the late 50s and he released records before John Lennon. I'm sure Dio made the sign before Lennon.
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COMMENT | In Italy...
posted by : mudguts 2/16/2005 5:22:28 AM
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horns, plastic or real horns are a common sight in homes and in cars as a good-luck charm, and the devil horns are a common hand-gesture used to ward off evil, and they've been doing it for hundreds and hundreds of years. Could that not be seen as a way of acknowledging that a band are wicked?
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COMMENT | Dio - an italian?
posted by : 2/16/2005 5:27:48 AM
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I don't think so...
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COMMENT | Look closer
posted by : 2/16/2005 5:41:12 AM
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1) Thumb Out
2) Hand Backwards
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COMMENT | hehe
posted by : 2/16/2005 5:42:49 AM
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ah he is holding out his thumb hehe and it was cropped. imagine if a photo of a man giving the love signing that was cropped was the inspiration harhar
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COMMENT |
posted by : 2/16/2005 5:52:56 AM
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SNAP INTO A SLIM JIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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COMMENT | Kull
posted by : Itwalksamongus 2/16/2005 5:59:42 AM
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I don't know which match-book-cover English school you learned "ill-learned" from, but it is not an English phrase. Good way to illuminate your stupidity, though.
Now get back over to that Ozzfest thread and tell us more about the continent called America.
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COMMENT | ...
posted by : 2/16/2005 6:49:04 AM
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ah, whatever.
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COMMENT |
posted by : b00ger1 2/16/2005 8:08:18 AM
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WHO THE FUCK CARES!!!!!!
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COMMENT | awesome posts Itwalksamongus
posted by : 2/16/2005 8:08:57 AM
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...AND.....to answer everyones question on this issue.....i invented the "devil's horn's" sign.....i came up with the idea about 10 years before i was born....and have been leasing the idea out ever since.....just nobody has paid me yet.....
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COMMENT | ..
posted by : 2/16/2005 8:25:20 AM
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WHO GIVES A FUCK... hand signal is used today by countless britney spears and slipknot fans
has completely lost any meaning
Metal is so far beyond a hand jesture
and yes. dio is of italian decent. but really. the only true italians are the northerners. the southern italians are distant arabs. so it depends on which part of italy his family was from
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COMMENT | The thumb is sticking out......
posted by : matt_man000 2/16/2005 8:35:27 AM
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But who knows ? Maybe Lennon was a closet Texas Longhorns fan and he was really from the Dallas area therefore making the British accent in his voice a crock of shit.
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COMMENT | Did anyone actually read the update at the bottom of the page?
posted by : Von Doom 2/16/2005 8:48:36 AM
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here's the cut and patch for a scroll mouse challenged...
"It is funny how many people took this page seriously. Especially when it was specifically listed under "parody"! And yes, we do know that John Lennon is showing the sign-language for "I love you" - remember, the picture was taken around the time of the Beatles mega-hit "All You Need Is Love" (hence the "love" theme). I had a feeling that we might get a few e-mails from some pissed off metal heads, but I had no idea so many people would take this parody seriously!
P.S. - I've also been informed that this gesture has an Italian meaning, but I'm not gonna touch that one! "
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COMMENT | ...
posted by : 2/16/2005 9:01:25 AM
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i think its just retarded that all you idiots and every other moron ot there make such a big deal over it in the first place. its just a plain old gay thing to do
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COMMENT | oh yeah,...
posted by : 2/16/2005 9:06:46 AM
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and lennon is sticking his thumb out in that pic, and i wouldn't doubt it because well.. the guys the poster boy for peave love and happiness... so why would he not do the jimmy snuka "i love you" sign... duh.
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COMMENT | some other firsts
posted by : 2/16/2005 9:12:14 AM
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beatles ringo starr laid down the first blast beat,paul mc cartney invented two hand tapping,the first boy band anD of course imo the first band to earn the title OVERRATED .......and yes dio rules=)
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COMMENT | Sign Language
posted by : evilernie 2/16/2005 9:44:55 AM
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Horns out, thumb out = "I love you"
Arms crossed. Horns out on one hand, other hand at the opposite elbow doing a releasing gesture = "Bullshit".
Just like this entire thread.
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COMMENT | Regardless of his misinformed opinions on the U.S.A....
posted by : the Dude (~\m/~) 2/16/2005 10:15:52 AM
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...kull knows a hell of a lot more about metal than itwalksamongus does.
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COMMENT | hahaha...big deal
posted by : bashermouth 2/16/2005 10:23:59 AM
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the question is:
WHO INVENTED THE 'MIDDLE FINGER' HAND SIGNAL???
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COMMENT | the Dude (~\m/~)
posted by : DrumGuy 2/16/2005 10:35:45 AM
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"Regardless of his misinformed opinions on the U.S.A.... kull knows a hell of a lot more about metal than itwalksamongus does."
Normally I wouldn't get in the middle of your and itwalksamongus" discussions but......
I could care less how much Kull knows about Metal. Considering he thinks he's an expert on EVERYTHING, his "knowledge" of music is pointless. Somehow, I think he does his Google info search and then proceeds to inform us of his findings allthewhile acting like he knew this all along.
I would rather have itwalksamongus at my back then Kull.
If we're going to start to define people based on their *Metal knowledge*, I'm outta here.
itwalksamongus: Educated, sensible.
Kull: Please, gimme a break.
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COMMENT | strange that Dio is an Italian (???)
posted by : 2/16/2005 10:52:36 AM
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when his cousin's name is David Feinstein!!!!!
Yes, that's right!!! (The guitarist of the "Feinstein" group).
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COMMENT | Beatles trivia.....for all the Beatles fans on here
posted by : Loudnessguy 2/16/2005 10:52:46 AM
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Ticket to Ride definitely is NOT metal (good song though)........but some have said that the feedback (from Lennon's guitar) in the beginning of "I feel fine" is the first ever recorded on vinyl......who knows and who gives a rats ass.
\m/
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COMMENT | Heh-heh.......
posted by : DrumGuy 2/16/2005 11:05:09 AM
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Thanks Kull for proving my point.
not too hard to grasp is it?
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COMMENT | the cornu
posted by : 2/16/2005 11:18:35 AM
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what about the cornu??? Anton Lavey called it the cornu
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COMMENT | Drumguy
posted by : the Dude (~\m/~) 2/16/2005 11:36:45 AM
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I merely made an observation, which is true. This is a metal message board, which means that one's knowledge of metal DOES INDEED mean something here. Ignorant self-appointed know-it-alls like itwalksamongus make fools of themselves here because they act like they are above everyone else, when in reality, they know less about the music discussed here than 99% of the other posters. There's a lot of things that kull says which I disagree with, but at least he knows what he's talking about when it comes to metal. That IS what this message board is based on, after all...
Either you don't know that much about the guy who posts as itwalksamongus, or you must have some sort of masochistic desire to associate with known troublemakers when you say stuff like, "I'd rather have itwalksamongus at my back...".
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COMMENT | REALLY!!!!!!!!!!!
posted by : 2/16/2005 11:42:47 AM
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WHO GIVES A FLYING FUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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COMMENT |
posted by : 2/16/2005 3:00:20 PM
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No one "invented" it. The first person who realized he had fingers - a hundred million years ago - "invented" it. Dio made it famous, and that's all there is.
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COMMENT | for what it's worth (which aint shit...)
posted by : deathtomusic 2/16/2005 3:16:21 PM
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Just to add to this increasingly inane thread, I know the "devil' hand sign / cornuto from two places ;
The most obscure is from the Aleister Crowley book "Magick ; in Theory and in Practice" which had to of been printed in about the mid 1930s.
The second is that in most latin / mediteranean countries - when you make this hand signal to someone, you are implying that their spouse/partner/wife is cheating on them/playing hide the sausage...
F O G ooo---ooo
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COMMENT | kull
posted by : 2/16/2005 4:09:56 PM
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please shut up; i hate you
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COMMENT | Hey idiots
posted by : Itwalksamongus 2/16/2005 5:32:01 PM
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Kull - there is no continent called America.
Dude - that's what's called getting your ass handed to you. And no, knowledge of metal means nothing here - the fact that you think it does doesn't mean it does. Now fuck off you little stain.
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COMMENT | Kull's Funniest English
posted by : Itwalksamongus 2/16/2005 6:29:26 PM
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I know lots and lots of thing you can't find of www.google.com
you know thoise things made of paper?
I am pretty sure you saw one sometimes...
the scaramantic sing his granma used to make.
evidenly
ill-learned
fluency in forign tongues
I doub you are even capable
Kull - you're a fucking idiot - thanks for proving that fact with the above.
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COMMENT | Oh, and check these out
posted by : Itwalksamongus 2/16/2005 6:31:27 PM
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http://www.eudesign.com/mnems/continen.htm
http://www.teachers.net/lessons/posts/1988.html
So much for your stupid "there's a continent called America" theory.
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COMMENT | Helter Skelter is the only Beatles Metal song
posted by : BLACK SABBATH RULES 2/16/2005 7:31:32 PM
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Aliester Crowley is on the cover of Sgt. Peppers and apparently Lennon and McCartney were big fans of him and his beliefs. They agreed with his one commandment "Do what thy wilt shall be the whole of the law" For anyone who really gives a shit!
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COMMENT | ["knowledge of metal means nothing here"]
posted by : the Dude (~\m/~) 2/16/2005 8:08:43 PM
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That's got to be the STUPIDEST statement ever made on Blabbermouth. This is a HEAVY METAL & HARD ROCK message board, you imbecile. Do you even know what day it is? Because you obviously don't know what kind of message board you're posting on, dufus.
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COMMENT | I guess I have to dumb it down for you
posted by : Itwalksamongus 2/16/2005 11:01:42 PM
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Hey DUUUUUUUUUDE - in case you haven't noticed, this is a PUBLIC MESSAGE BOARD. Do you know what that means? That means it doesn't matter whether you have knowledge of metal or not - you can post here. Funny how you're willing to look stupid just to get back at me.
Also funny how you paint yourself as some kind of elite poster yet are willing to get into bed with B'mouth's lowest life-forms - Kull, kissrules, etc - if it means taking a shot at me - which of course never works.
Now then - do you want to tell DrumGuy the real source of contention here - or should I?
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COMMENT | Mudra and The Cult Of The Goat Hand Signal
posted by : Six_Strung_Out 2/16/2005 11:55:08 PM
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Noun 1. cloven hoof - the mark of Satan Synonyms: cloven foot 2. cloven hoof - a hoof divided into two parts at its distal extremity (as of ruminants or swine) Synonyms: cloven hand sign \m/
Year: Circa 666 BC
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COMMENT | To admit that you post on a metal message board...
posted by : the Dude (~\m/~) 2/17/2005 12:02:19 AM
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...for any reason other than an interest in metal, is to admit that you're an idiot and you don't have a life. I wonder how many other message boards you post on whose subject matter you know nothing about?
The funny thing is... you apparently don't even realize what a complete dumbass you come off as to everyone who's reading this. Instead of climbing out of the hole you're in, you seem to enjoy digging it deeper. Wonders never cease....
You're just a worthless troll, and it's a shame that some people here fall for your childish antics.
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COMMENT | The main question here should be!!!
posted by : 2/17/2005 12:56:15 AM
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Who gives a flying shit?
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COMMENT | Thanks XXXDiablo!!!
posted by : 2/17/2005 1:01:26 AM
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I'll have to remember that about the shart,that was funny!!!I'll be laughing about that tommorow!!!
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COMMENT | Ah yes, it's the classic Dude make-stuff-up shit
posted by : Itwalksamongus 2/17/2005 3:52:22 AM
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Talk about digging yourself in deeper - Did I say that I post here without knowing anything about metal? I did not. You made that up - just like you always do when the truth fails you. What I said was a person - read that again, A PERSON - can post here without any knowledge of metal. No idea why someone would - but your point about knowledge of metal meaning something here - it's a subjective point and I just proved it - again.
Here's another gem - you call me a self-appointed know-it-all yet you seem to feel you have the right to set the parameters for what matters here and what doesn't. You don't - and you come off as a stool for trying.
And no, I don't look like a dumbass to others here - you just try to paint it that way because you're still mad about "the story". And every time you stalk and attack me you illuminate that point all over again.
You're a stupid fuck, the Dude.
Advantage - Itwalksamongus.
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COMMENT | I knew it!
posted by : Itwalksamongus 2/17/2005 5:32:20 PM
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Why am I not surprised that you didn't have the guts to respond. Oh - we knw why.
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COMMENT | Dont Forget Jinx!
posted by : 12/2/2009 4:24:41 PM
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Jinx Dawson of Coven was known to come out on stage flashing the horns dating back to 1968.
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