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Ohio Musician Files Countersuit Against STAIND For Trademark Infringement - Feb. 24, 2005
An Ohio musician has filed a contersuit against Jordan Schur, president of Geffen Records, STAIND, and their management company for breach of contract, fraudulent inducement to enter into an agreement, negligent misrepresentation and concealment of information, trademark infringement, and cyber piracy.

Jon Stainbrook alleges Schur used unlawful conduct to obtain rights to the trademark for the band name STAIND. He also alleges Schur made numerous misrepresentations and false promises to induce Stainbrook into an agreement so that STAIND could use Stainbrook's well-known and longtime established trademark for his band "THE STAIN". Jon Stainbrook has been performing live shows and developing music for TV, video, and DVD for national and international markets with his band, THE STAIN, since 1980. Under his pen name, Stain, Jon Stainbrook has published articles and photography that have been featured in publications such as Thrasher and Creem.

In 2003, STAIND unsuccessfully sued Stainbrook in New York Federal Court, which prompted Stainbrook to file a request with the USPTO (U.S. Patent and Trademark Office) to cancel STAIND's trademark. As result of his USPTO request, STAIND has initiated yet another lawsuit against Stainbrook.

Previously, Stainbrook had refused other bands' offers to use his trademark. In 1994, LIVING COLOUR infringed on Stainbrook's registered trademark, which prompted LIVING COLOUR and Sony to terminate further pressings of the group's 1993 album, entitled "Stain". Also, Stainbrook forced the band LIT, formerly known as STAIN, to change their name.

The following question-and-answer session with Stainbrook was sent to BLABBERMOUTH.NET as part of an official press release:

Q: How did you become involved with STAIND?

Jon Stainbrook: "Sony/Epic had previously tried gaining rights to THE STAIN, but I never made a deal with them. I come from the school of do it yourself and never wanted to sign anything over to major labels. Besides, I was already selling my music all over the world, and I owned it. I didn't take their offer of a recording contract, because I didn't need one or want to get into the confinements of one. Corporate acts like STAIND are created just to sell CDs and pay their way onto MTV and every Clear Channel radio station that will take their money. I have always been against this 'force-fed' style of having music jammed down our throats. It is Orwellian (1984) to say the least. When I did business with bands like FUGAZI, they stayed at my house, crashed on my floor, ate my food, used my shower and Ian MacKaye never had me sign a contract, or vice versa. If he gave me his word, I trusted him to live up to it and he did. It was all on the honor system.

"Fred Durst was probably the first person from the Jordan Schur camp to take an interest in THE STAIN when he saw my band perform while LIMP BIZKIT was in Toledo for a show that I booked. It is a well-known fact that Durst has made many enemies due to his style of doing business and alleged theft of other musicians work. During LIMP BIZKIT's auditions for Wes Borland's replacement, you had to play original music and sign an agreement that anything you played became LIMP BIZKIT property. It makes sense that Durst discovered STAIND, and they share the same lawyer. It is comical to note that Durst supposedly threw STAIND's 'Tormented' album across the room and initially refused to work with them due to the Satanic content. Apparently he changed his mind when the dollar signs started to appear.

"When Jordan Schur first contacted me about purchasing my trademark for STAIND to use, I blew him off. Schur persisted in his attempts to force me into an agreement and told me we could either work out a deal or he would take the identity I spent the last 20 years establishing by burying me in court to force me to default, which would require me to pay the legal fees they incurred while suing me. With all of his 'LIMP BIZKIT' money, I didn't want to spend years in court fighting it out. I decided it was in my best interest to work out an amicable agreement that would be of benefit to all parties. I sold my trademark for THE STAIN, because I relied on the truth and sincerity of Jordan Schur's promises, which included distribution help, 'important friends,' exposure, public relations firms, etc. Schur said, 'STAIND, LIMP BIZKIT, and I will be beholding to you, and we will use our organization and resources to help you. If my litigation accomplishes anything, I hope it will be to teach artists to steer clear of the corporate rock executive crooks."

Q: What caused the lawsuit?

Jon Stainbrook: "This is the second time they have initiated a lawsuit against me. I won the first lawsuit in New York federal court without a lawyer. After being ripped off and deceived by those at the top, like Jordan Schur, to those at the bottom, like STAIND, I was forced to defend myself and hold them accountable for playing games with my trademark and not honoring our agreement. I tried to help them, but they never had any plans on helping me. STAIND and their handlers deceived me since day one. Once they got my trademark, they didn't follow through on their end of the deal. Because they are STAIND, and millionaires, they believe they don't have to adhere to the law or honor their contract with me.

"Shortly after we entered into an agreement, which includes a provision that they are not to perform or sell merchandise in Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana, or Michigan, they violated it by performing in Toledo, Ohio as a warm-up act for KID ROCK. I confronted them on this and they disregarded me and our agreement.

"When I tried to obtain what Jordan Schur and I had agreed upon, so that STAIND could use MY trademark, everyone pretended they never heard of me before, including Jordan Schur. They avoided my calls and my attempts to meet them in person. I tried to contact three of the band's law firms, their road manager, their management company, and no one knew or cared about what Jordan Schur and I had agreed upon. In an attempt to avoid any legal problems with the band, I left nine messages with STAIND's road manager, Tim Kreig, until I finally was able to reach him. Kreig said Mushok was standing right in front of him. I heard Mike Mushok tell Kreig to tell me that they did not want to talk to me. Kreig told me they were advised to let the trademark expire which would terminate their deal with me forever. I told him they couldn't do that. Later I found out the reason they didn't want to talk to me, they don't even entirely own their band, STAIND is a corporation called 'Tradem, Inc.' STAIND released an entire press release about the lawsuit.

"As far as I'm concerned STAIND committed fraud upon the USPTO when they sent specimens of use which depicted a band from Cincinnati called STAIN. This was necessary to renew the registration. Apparently, their high-priced lawyers didn't notice the band was from Cinci, not Toledo, that I was not in the band, or that the band from Cinci was out of business. STAIND has not only committed fraud upon the USPTO, but also commit fraud upon the public every day. They are marketed as evil, scary, dangerous metal. But in reality, they wear Rolex watches, stay in five-star hotels, travel in jets or air conditioned tour buses, and have their dinners catered backstage by chefs. Maybe the pain that prompted the 'Tormented' album came from Mushok getting a scratch on one his polished guitars."

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COMMENT |
posted by : timothynothing
2/24/2005 10:12:00 PM

Too long, didn't read.

COMMENT | That was hilarious
posted by : Ironlung
2/24/2005 10:13:54 PM

A sure fire good read. Especially the part where he beat them in NY federal court without a lawyer, that rules.

COMMENT | what a rambling load of shit.
posted by : sparticle
2/24/2005 10:15:08 PM

one thing is probably true though..

"Maybe the pain that prompted the 'Tormented' album came from Mushok getting a scratch on one his polished guitars."

heheheh - this is true mr Lewis

you cant fake anger
you cant fake pain
now please fuck off
and stop thinking you're layne

COMMENT | ...Hey, anything to stop this fucking "cry baby" shit band!!!!!!!!!!
posted by : Bucklescoutch
2/24/2005 10:20:37 PM

Is fine with me.Fuck this Arron Lewis fuckin whiner!!!!!!!!!Nu-so called metal is for idiot's that don't know jack shit about metal!!!!! Now Playing"Devilution"-High on Fire\m/

COMMENT |
posted by : DanSullivan
2/24/2005 10:22:43 PM

much support for jon!

COMMENT | Hang on a second
posted by : meanMan
2/24/2005 10:29:50 PM

Not a staind fan at ALL, but this guy, who is so successful that I've NEVER heard of him ( and I'm 36 and a big 80's fan ), has succeeded in copyrighting the word STAIN ? WTF ? Can I just copyright a bunch of common words, and stop major artists ( like Living Color ) from releasing albums with names that include those words ?

Everyone involved in this is just plain mental.

COMMENT | who cares....
posted by : constipated rabbit
2/24/2005 10:29:51 PM

Staind are shit anyway....

COMMENT | did it for the dookie
posted by : EmmysLemmy
2/24/2005 10:43:43 PM

staind...hmm, wouldn't that be the same as skid marks ? oh hell that's skid row i am thinking of. never mind

COMMENT | I live in Toledo...
posted by : hollowguy
2/24/2005 10:54:53 PM

I've seen his band numerous times. (..because they were on a bill with other bands that I wanted to see)

They WEREN'T good at all. Bland rock at best.

This Q&A is an obvious farce as well.

The entire history of this legal action basically defines the term "frivolous lawsuit." It's ridiculous. What we have here is some nobody trying to get rich off a famous band.

"STAIND has not only committed fraud upon the USPTO, but also commit fraud upon the public every day."

This statement only shows him as the bitter bastard he is.

Also, the story about Durst tossing Staind's demo is a bit wrong as well. What really happened is well documented. It was simply the cover that caused the reaction - not the content.

I'm not a Staind fan in any way - and could care less if they ever release another collection of bad, "im so hurt" ballads again. However, this lawsuit is beyond stupid.

Jon - if you are reading this...cut this shit out...and next time - please - get my pizza here on time. I'd hate to have to report you to your manager. ;-)

COMMENT | Someone shoud kick Arron Lewis's ass for doomin about Dime!!!!!
posted by : Bucklescoutch
2/24/2005 11:11:39 PM

His bullshit music has "nothing" to do with "true metal"!!!!!!!!He has no fuckin business including his pathetic self with anything "Dime"!!!!!!\m/ now playing "Curse the Gods"-Destruction!!!!! MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!!!

COMMENT | Looks legit to me
posted by : Decomposed Bag of Bat Sperm
2/24/2005 11:16:22 PM

Word Mark THE STAIN
Goods and Services IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: entertainment services; namely, rendering live vocal and musical performances. FIRST USE: 19801001. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19801001
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 78496465
Filing Date October 7, 2004
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Owner (APPLICANT) Stainbrook, Jon C. INDIVIDUAL UNITED STATES 1758 Meadowlark Ave. Toledo OHIO 43614
Attorney of Record Anthony J. DeGidio
Type of Mark SERVICE MARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

COMMENT | .....who cares??????????
posted by : Bucklescoutch
2/24/2005 11:27:39 PM

BEHEMOTH RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!\m/

COMMENT | WTF??
posted by : Incinerator
2/24/2005 11:33:53 PM

Since when can a single person trademark and copywrite a single fucking word??



Hey Stainbrook....go fuck yourself you ignorant, greedy motherfucking bastard.

Too bad he can't get the majority of his facts correct.

COMMENT | "...trademark and copywrite a single fucking word??"
posted by : hollowguy
2/24/2005 11:44:31 PM

I agree.

I understand the band "Lit" having to change their name because their original name was exactly what he had copywritten.

However, "The Stain" and "Staind" aren't the same goddamn word. Fucking lawyers....

COMMENT | Opeth are coming to the states this summer!!!!!!!!!!!\\\m///!!!!!!!
posted by : Bucklescoutch
2/25/2005 12:11:55 AM

BEHEMOTH!!!!!!!!!!ENSLAVED!!!!!!!!!!KING CRIMSON FUCKIN JAM FUCKERZ!!!!!!!!!!!!

COMMENT | NO SHIT
posted by : TheClansman?!
2/25/2005 12:32:28 AM

FUCKING BEHEMOTH


ANTICHRISTIAN PHENOMENON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COMMENT |
posted by : molotov
2/25/2005 2:09:35 AM

MESHUGGAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COMMENT | uh huh
posted by : hollowguy
2/25/2005 3:08:33 AM

Thanks. I was unaware of that. I retract my second post. ;-) (The first one still applies though)

"Does anybody else think this guy sounds like a fucking asshole?"

Yes, he's an asshole and a nobody - living off some local recognition from years ago.

COMMENT | Bucklescouth
posted by : constipated rabbit
2/25/2005 3:51:27 AM

I must give you credit....you said something good.....all four bands are awesome....

COMMENT | just so you all know.
posted by : Thyne
2/25/2005 7:37:25 AM

this is where the CORE of the music industry is created. If not for the small guys like this fucking TOOL we would total chaos within the music world. I love it when the little guy gets over on the Corporate Cock smokers. I just think he waited way too long , for what seems to be a smart move waiting to see how much $$$ the name would be worth. His career has sucked now he is trying to make up for it . He has the paper work to prove his lawsuits more power to him, I think The name is gay anyway.


Dikz.

COMMENT | ...
posted by : neon pink pixie
2/25/2005 10:12:12 AM

:| thst way waaay too long to read

COMMENT | what a mess!
posted by : blood_come
2/25/2005 10:47:28 AM

theres no such thing as trust or verbal agreements in the music industry . Always use a lawyer ! never make verbal agreements with people that control the money or the trade mark even a monkey knows that.

COMMENT | I hate Staind
posted by : thrashley
2/25/2005 11:00:03 AM

Just another trendy little bullshit band that sounds just like EVERYBODY ELSE. Go away already. Ive never heard of this guy either, but if he can help stop some of this corporate rock crap...by all means, Im for him!



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