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Heavy Metal Fan Was Responsible For Worst School Shooting In U.S. Since Columbine - Mar. 22, 2005
The 17-year-old student who shot his way through his family and a tribal school in northwest Minnesota Monday (March 21), leaving 10 people dead, including himself, was described by a fellow student as a quiet boy who was into goth culture, listened to heavy metal music, wore "a big old black trench coat" and "talked about death all the time."

The Minneapolis Star Tribune named the suspect as Jeff Weise, a student or former student at the local high school on the Red Lake Indian reservation in remote northern Minnesota. Pat Mills, director of Red Lake's public safety department, said officers were not looking for any other suspects.

It was the worst school shooting in the U.S. since 15 people died in the Columbine massacre in 1999.

Read more at Guardian.co.uk.
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COMMENT | devil music
posted by : JAH
3/22/2005 9:27:57 AM

that's all it is anymore. what a sad state our youth is in!

COMMENT | HEAVY METAL FAN ?
posted by : PHANTOMX
3/22/2005 9:29:43 AM

HERE WE GO AGAIN ......I GUESS THEY WILL TRY AND SAY BECAUSE HE LISTENED TO HEAVY METALIS WHY HE WENT ON A KILLING SPREE . I GUESS IF HE HAD LISTENED TO THE MUSICAL STYLINGS OF KENNY G , GARTH BROOKS , PAVOROTTI , RAY CHARLES OR WHOEVER THIS TRADGEDY WOULD HAVE NVER HAPPENED ............FACE IT .....THE KID HAD ISSUES THAT HE COULDN'T DEAL WITH .....AND METAL HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT .

COMMENT | Wtf...
posted by : MetalliCanadian
3/22/2005 9:33:50 AM

How can they label people based on what music they listen to?

They don't say "bullied teen" or "Troubled youth" they say "Heavy Metal Fan"

Hmm, im a heavy metal fan too, maybe I should...I mean, it seems to be the heavy metal craze these days...

COMMENT | Technically they didn't blame metal, yet.
posted by : mansnam
3/22/2005 9:35:05 AM

However, they did make it seem like Heavy Metal was what inspired him to kill those people.

COMMENT | HAIL SATAN AND THE ARMIES OF DARKNESS!!!!!
posted by : metalliaddict
3/22/2005 9:36:26 AM

jesus...here we go again. i can't to hear who they blame THIS one on. why couldn't the kid just have been a loser who was blaming everyone but himself for his problems? this is reason #4793 why i hate people in general. find a "reason" for this...of course heavy metal is the easy excuse. this ought to be fun watching these people place the blame.

RIP everyone who died...

COMMENT | Another example
posted by : V Empire
3/22/2005 9:36:54 AM

Of how people never take responsibility in anything. It is always easy to blame it on something else.

COMMENT | Y'know I don't care if they blame Heavy Metal...
posted by : mansnam
3/22/2005 9:38:25 AM

...just as long as we don't see a Bowling For Minnesota.

COMMENT | You know why you only hear about heavy metal in assosciation with crazy people?
posted by : NeroKalem
3/22/2005 9:40:25 AM

Because Heavy Metal is the only music culture that's open minded enough to accept all types of people, crazy people included.

You don't hear about techno, country, or pop fans doing this stuff, because the fan base of all these groups are too elitest and selective.

COMMENT | ARGH
posted by : ForeverUnderground
3/22/2005 9:41:08 AM

He's a goth. He should have started it and ended it by blowing his own brains out. I fucking hate goths.

COMMENT | That said, they kid was ABLE TO GET A GUN. Somehow heavy metal is to blame for this.
posted by : NeroKalem
3/22/2005 9:41:26 AM

What is more dangerous.... heavy metal, or a gun?

COMMENT | METAL HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS
posted by : RICKY,JULIAN&BUBBLES
3/22/2005 9:43:21 AM

He just happened to listen to metal but my guess is he was just another depressed glue sniffing alcoholic Native Indian who just snapped.

COMMENT | This is very tired
posted by : The Fish that should not be
3/22/2005 9:44:13 AM

Dont the media ever get fed up of the "all heavy metal fans worship satan" propaganda? it's been going on since the 70's and joe public always fall for it.

Yeah thats right, dont blame his parents or crap home life and media that whitewashes you with all that "if your not famous or pretty you're a nobody!". Lets just blame good ol' heavy metal....pathetic!

COMMENT | ForeverUnderground
posted by : mansnam
3/22/2005 9:44:37 AM

Ummm, he did that.

COMMENT | Goth Music and Heavy Metal
posted by : (sic)ZeRo
3/22/2005 9:45:14 AM

Goth is a way of living as well, which has nothing to do with Heavy Metal BTW...

But shouldn't the USA look for a way to avoid Guns comming into Kids hands???

I guess Nothing was learned from Columbine!

Well, I guess People like to have a gun at home, and take responsibilities when "accidents" happen! (and blame it on something else like their music style or mental madness...)

COMMENT | to quote Abbath...
posted by : dethryde
3/22/2005 9:47:52 AM

".... And here we go again".... Metal comes under fire. Stupid kids.
While on that subject, gotta share this stupid story. I'm standing in line at McD's 2 kids in black trenches with 400 rings in their ears and face posing as goths or maybe black metallers had to ask who I had on my shirt and what band. Youthanasia shirt with Vic holding the baby. They didn't know who Megadeth was. WTF??? anyway, my condolences to the victims in yet another senseless taking of lives. RIP

COMMENT |
posted by : Apparition
3/22/2005 9:49:04 AM

if only they had listened in the first place instead of pointing fingers now... metal is always an easy scapegoat. but nobody points the finger onto themselves. it's human nature.

COMMENT | This deranged kid killed the people NOT "heavy metal music"
posted by : Sadochist.com
3/22/2005 9:50:32 AM

but what is going to sell more? Gotta love the media to twist things in a way just to SELL more. Obviously this kid had some serious problems & he chose to bury himself with a form of rebellion instead of facing his problems or getting the right help. I'm sure his parents had a lot to do with his problems. Either they didn't listen, were too strict or just made him so afraid of them that he felt he could not talk about his problems with them, until he finally snapped.

There are plenty of NORMAL people that listen to metal beacuse they enjoy something that gives them an adrenaline rush. I like a lot of death metal music, but I think the lyrics are completely comical.

COMMENT | His parents?
posted by : evilernie
3/22/2005 9:55:38 AM

According to CNN, his father commited suicide 4 years ago. His mother is brain damaged from a car accident. He was living with his grandparents, whom he shot first. Sounds like he had a pretty fucked up home life, and being bullied and picked on at school just added to his problems.

But none of that matters. It was that evil heavy metal music that made him do it.

COMMENT |
posted by : A Gruesome Discovery
3/22/2005 9:56:19 AM

Last night they were saying he played video games and listened to Marilyn Manson. Let's see what they're saying in a week.

COMMENT | AGAIN
posted by : RICKY,JULIAN&BUBBLES
3/22/2005 9:56:49 AM

Metal had nothing to do with this,Americas policy on guns has nothing to do with this, living in poverty on the Reservation, few friends, unloving family, constantly being picked on and no hope for the future has everything to do with this tragedy in my opinion.

COMMENT | goth & metal
posted by : Vision of Hell
3/22/2005 9:59:40 AM

Last time I checked, goth & metal were two different things. They said this kid was a "goth" ---that tells me that he wasn't listening to metal at all--he was listening to the Cure or Siouxsie & the Banshees or something. People are stupid. I that if the general public, or maybe just the media, is afraid of something or can't quite understand something, they automatically lump it into the heavy metal category and that's so wrong. All our lives we're told not to judge books by thier covers, but yet some kid goes on a shooting rampage at his school and because the kid was wearing a black trench coat, they try to categorize him in not only one, but TWO categories that they don't have a fucking clue about!!!! I don't know about you, but I see a lot of freaking lawyers wearing black trench coats so I guess they all listen to goth or heavy metal music and they must be pretty dangerous as well.

COMMENT |
posted by : Paisley Pants
3/22/2005 10:02:03 AM

Guns Kill People...
...Not Music

COMMENT | damn
posted by : neo2126
3/22/2005 10:03:56 AM

thats like 2 hours from where i live...

COMMENT | NeroKalem
posted by : You Don't Know Me
3/22/2005 10:04:21 AM

actually, there are people who do pretty sick shit that listen to the other styles you listed, they just don't go on to be heavily publicised due to the fact that the artist doesn't really want their reputation ruined. Charles Manson was inspired by The Beatles (where do you think he got "Helter Skelter" from?) Bjork had some sick stalker that tried sending her a bomb in the mail and he killed himself right after he sent it (apparently, the authories got to it before the bomb got to her.) i'm sure there's plenty of other examples, but WE don't see them because god forbid their reputations get ruined.

but i do agree with the sentiment that metal gets a lot of shit for being a "dark" kind of music. all we can do is stand our ground and continue listening to the music we love. fuck what other people say. as long as we know that there's nothing wrong with listening to the music we listen to, that's all that should matter.

COMMENT | media
posted by : mikevil666
3/22/2005 10:07:03 AM

fuck off

COMMENT | Damn
posted by : Goro
3/22/2005 10:15:18 AM

A Goth Native goes on a shooting rampage? Now I've heard it all. Fucking tragedy... la historia de esta tierra

goro

COMMENT | I KNOW WHY HE DID IT
posted by : wearethelost
3/22/2005 10:18:55 AM

it wasn't what he was listening to. . .

it was because of what he ate,


i heard he had DEVILED eggs for breakfast.

COMMENT | seriously
posted by : wearethelost
3/22/2005 10:19:52 AM

R.I.P. though

COMMENT | mansnam
posted by : ForeverUnderground
3/22/2005 10:20:37 AM

I know that, but I was saying it just would have been better and saved a lot of trouble had he done that in the first place.

COMMENT | The Twin Cities Media Has not said shit about that...
posted by : Spoontoad
3/22/2005 10:20:59 AM

The Twin Cities Media has said nothing relating to this kid listening to Heavy Metal. It the kids who were interviewed (and a few who picked on him in the past) who are saying that crap.

Also, that remote area is one of the poorest in the country. There was a major riot as well back in 1979 that did $4 million dollers damage (1979 $'s). Blabbermouth aint saying anything about that.

And it's unfortunate that Blabbermouth is part of the media problem as well....

COMMENT | Yeah yeah
posted by : Lycanthropunk
3/22/2005 10:21:23 AM

Heavy metal's dangerous and it drives people nuts.
We've heard it all already, The kid was insane, that's all.
May all the victims rest in peace.

COMMENT | ...
posted by : Golgotha
3/22/2005 10:22:00 AM

Why can't they learn to shoot themselves first? If they survive..then they might be an death angel.

COMMENT | Yes
posted by : Lycanthropunk
3/22/2005 10:25:31 AM

i loathe goths myself btw.
I try to tolerate them, but it's stronger than me. I can't stand them. And yes Goth IS NOT metal, at all.
And fuck "Goth Metal" bands.

COMMENT | neo2126...
posted by : brickshithouse
3/22/2005 10:29:50 AM

...that's like 2 or 3 hours from where I grew up...!?!

What a terrible tragedy....thoughts and prayers are with those involved in this insane situation...

BSH (~\m/~)

COMMENT |
posted by : jackcake
3/22/2005 10:31:59 AM

The fascist religious Right will blame metal. It's always the same.

COMMENT | I blame ...
posted by : haunted
3/22/2005 10:41:59 AM

Hot Topic for this tragedy. They are ones who promote the "goth culture."

my thoughts and prayer are with the families involved.

COMMENT | Bah
posted by : Dekompoze
3/22/2005 10:48:18 AM

What crap. Heavy metal has to be entwined into this again, huh? Well, this kid apparently (from the news reports i've heard) was a LONER, didn't talk to many kids, and totally kept to himself. So of course, they could have pulled any fuckin kid aside and asked them to describe him, and they could have said fuckin anything, and the media would take it as truth.

Whatever. The kid's father kills himself, and the kid goes nuts. It makes me wonder about the grandparents, more than anything. What the fuck was their story?

COMMENT | Interesting that Blabbermouth ...
posted by : _invictus_
3/22/2005 10:50:26 AM

is the only 'media outlet' i have seen so far *headlining* heavy metal in connection with the shootings ...

tsk.tsk.

COMMENT | Media to blame
posted by : RichC123
3/22/2005 10:54:25 AM

I like how the media likes to blame it on metal music, but fails to see it's own contribution to incedents like this. The media has given a clear message that if you do something like this, you will get noticed and get alot of attention. Attention is what people like this are looking for. In fact, I think it is almost encouraged by the media, gives them good stories. We, as a society are to blame also. Now we all have something to talk about around the water cooler. We encourage the media to tell stories like this, who in turn encourage psychos to flip out and commit these things for attention. A troubled teen turns his life around and helps plant trees or something, and you don't hear about it. A troubled teen flips out and kills a bunch of people and you hear about it for a year.

COMMENT | NECKTIESUICIDE
posted by : RICKY,JULIAN&BUBBLES
3/22/2005 10:54:32 AM

Did i say all or most Native Americans or Canadians are glue sniffing alcoholics? let me tell you something Stiffler my cottage is near Owen Sound, Ontario,about 45 minutes away there is the Sawgeen Reservation(i think that's the name) and every summer i go into the reservation to get my cheap generic cigarettes from this run down gas station,anyway i get my smokes and need to take a leak and the owner of the gas station/convience store says the washroom is not working although my fiance says she just saw an Indian customer come out of there adjusting his belt so anyway i go behind the gas station to drain the vein and what do i see but 3 kids passing a bag around,putting their entire face in the bag and inhaling and all i could smell was glue, so i go back in to tell the owner that you know you have kids back there sniffing glue and you know what he tells me "happens all the time".....so i guess all i am saying is yes perhaps i have some redneck tendencies but in no way am i racist , i just tell it like i see it.

COMMENT | invictus is exactly right...
posted by : biggusdickus
3/22/2005 10:57:39 AM

I was just about to say that I have been to about 5 or 6 other websites including some right-leaning ones like Fox News and Drudge Report and I haven't found any of them blaming heavy metal. That's not to say that it won't ever happen but it seems to me that Bori scoured the web in order find even the slightest mention of metal (from a UK paper at that) and then used it to start a big thread...way to sensationalize a tragedy, Blabbermouth.

COMMENT | blah
posted by : i
3/22/2005 11:00:14 AM

this is what you get when you leave the misery news of the real world for a couple of days and only want MUSIC news

you get served the misery of the world through BLABBERMOUTH

this is worse than the osbournes, they on blabbermouth was just annoying

now this childmolester rock'star' and this murder maniac boy in a school

CAN'T BLABBERMOUTH STRICKTLY STICK TO METAL NEWS!!!!!!!!!??????????

FUCK

COMMENT | Goddamn...
posted by : Orgasmatron999
3/22/2005 11:05:24 AM

I wear Black all the time. I wear my Black Leather trenchcoat when it's cold. I listen to heavy metal. Guess what? I haven't went on a killing spree at my place of work or college. I think Identifying killers with any kind of culture is retarded. Regardless if a person is into the Goth, Metal, Rap, or hell, even preppy culture they can be a killer. Death is a universal language.


NP: Exodus-Shroud of Urine

COMMENT | one sick freak
posted by : FreeThinker
3/22/2005 11:10:46 AM

has nothing to do with metal

COMMENT | Fuck middle america...
posted by : soulrack
3/22/2005 11:17:21 AM

guns & metal = scapegoat

COMMENT |
posted by : agentpatience
3/22/2005 11:18:32 AM

I'm against violence of all kinds, and I think we definitely need to change our gun laws. But to use this incident as ammunition (no pun intended) for that cause is retarded. His grandfather was a police officer (haven't seen any reports about whether he was still active...I mean, the guy was old enough to be a grandfather), and the gun he used was his grandfather's police issued firearm. Every other news outlet has made this clear. So you all can save that argument for a time when its much more relevent.

Remember kids, this is where you come for your metal news. Not the proper, correct details about a school shooting.

COMMENT | wait...
posted by : BlackFuneralTears
3/22/2005 11:35:26 AM

let me guess he was into DOOM right ? hahaha gay ass media

COMMENT | through vast amounts of research
posted by : nofalsemetal
3/22/2005 12:02:48 PM

i have found that there seems to be one common factor in all violent activities, thus leading me to believe, the one true source of all that is evil: water

COMMENT | talk about your misleading headlines...
posted by : Von Doom
3/22/2005 12:14:41 PM

one brief reference, a quote taken from someone whose idea of "metal" we have no idea about whatsoever.

This kids life was a train wreck, and my question is this:

Why wasn't anyone at least trying to help this kid?

He was so clearly menatlly ill that anyone with any sense at all could see it.

Guess we will find out more as detail become clearer.

I do hope that the mainstream media vultures don't go out trying to blame metal for this, however once they get the scent of blood they tend to attack anything that moves.

COMMENT | It doesn't matter
posted by : dchaos72
3/22/2005 12:17:25 PM

Nobody will care he listened to metal. As long as you don't kill rich, white kids, nobody cares. This story will dissappear in a week.

COMMENT | Lookat all the metal defending idiots
posted by : BLS NOMAD
3/22/2005 12:20:27 PM

you allagang of turds who obviousl dont realize that it doesnt matter what the media says. The media wanted Kerry...they failed.They media wanted Blake and OJ...failed again. Word of advice...dont watch the news.

COMMENT | "talked about death all the time."
posted by : muxz
3/22/2005 12:54:19 PM

knowing the media

this kid probably listened to Papa Roach and Manson

"Yeah he listened to that death metal stuff... like Trapt and Adema"

COMMENT | "Guns dont kill people...PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE"
posted by : dchaos72
3/22/2005 1:02:03 PM

True. But it's really goddamned hard to Throw a bullet that fast. That's such a tired cliche. And I get annoyed when people argue with cliches. Perhaps you'd also like to point out that we're assuming he wouldn't have killed people if there was no gun, and you know what happens when you assume. You make an ass out of you and me. Enough withthe tired ass cliches.

If you can only use a moronic cliche to make your arguement then shut up. You are not worth the effort.

COMMENT | What "Metal" bands did he listen to?
posted by : Baphomet's Throne
3/22/2005 1:05:27 PM

Each time this question is asked, "Marilyn Manson" is mentioned, and one must point out no matter how much the media bombards you into believing otherwise, Marilyn Manson is not "Heavy Metal" and never was.

So yeah, humor us with specifics about the bands this kid listened to.

Until then I'm going to have to assume that "Heavy Metal" is just the scapegoat for every yokel residing where these things take place.

COMMENT | I BLAME IMMIGRATION
posted by : vas defferens
3/22/2005 1:08:26 PM

What is this country coming to these days, i mean we founded this land and had a vision, and now you got these native americans invading this land, acting like they once owned the place. dammit!

COMMENT |
posted by : TheClansman?!
3/22/2005 1:14:05 PM

The Guardian! Haha, what a trash news site.

COMMENT | This Kid is a COWARD
posted by : yeaboyee
3/22/2005 1:17:22 PM

what a pussy. shoot people than killyourself. Take the easy way out.

Thanks for saving the taxpayers money you worthless piece of trash!!!

COMMENT | or just maybe...
posted by : vas defferens
3/22/2005 1:19:44 PM

if celtic frost had waited just a week longer, before they decided to release To Mega Therion, someone else who worked at this bakery i know would not have had Necromantical Screams stuck in his head, thus preventing him from leaving work at 4:55, where he unfortunately crashed his car into a horse, which in turn caused heavy traffic and you could just see the tension rising. the tension found its way, out and about throughout the land, before going into what we all thought was a permanent hibernation..well unfortunately it appears it got a hold of some folks.

COMMENT | Oh Christ not again...
posted by : H3LL5P4WN
3/22/2005 1:29:21 PM

You know... we're gonna keep getting slammed because some dysfunctional dipshit decided to go on a killing spree. I really think Blabbermouth posted this as a warning to us, before the 'standard media' picks up on it and we get put under the microscope.

I hate American culture anymore. I want out of this fucking bullshit country. United States of my ASS.

COMMENT | of course metal heads are murderers
posted by : seenitall
3/22/2005 1:29:27 PM

ask any Iraqi

COMMENT |
posted by : mevyhetal
3/22/2005 1:30:18 PM

"Whatever happened to CRAZY?" - Chris Rock

COMMENT | I can't believe I almost forgot...
posted by : H3LL5P4WN
3/22/2005 1:30:52 PM

RIP the victims of this tragedy, and RIP Dime.

COMMENT | Civilian Guns...
posted by : cheyennediy
3/22/2005 1:31:36 PM

...has nothing 2 do with this. The kids gran-daddy was a cop and that is were they ay he obtained the weapons. I love the media's view of heavy metal. When a hip hopper does a drive by the only media person you see on it is Oreilly but when a metalhead does something you can guarantee the media is on it.

COMMENT | As I said before
posted by : dchaos72
3/22/2005 1:37:29 PM

As long as you don't kill rich, white kids, the media could give a crap.

COMMENT | "you're still going to look damned stupid using them"
posted by : brickshithouse
3/22/2005 1:37:30 PM

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....!!!!!

fucking owned....

BSH (~\m/~)

COMMENT | ^^^
posted by : severedsavior
3/22/2005 1:40:35 PM

lol

COMMENT | Oh man...
posted by : destructo_dog
3/22/2005 1:40:46 PM

I think we can all agree that this "Blame The Metal" shit has got to go!! Perhaps we should get someone like Lemmy or Tom Araya to issue a statement. Man, am I glad I don't live stateside.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start any shit with you gun-nuts, but what the hell is the fixation? Unless you're a farmer (in which case you can get a hunting rifle - we have a very real threat of possums destroying native birdlife here), a detective, or in the military or Armed Offenders Squad (the only people who can really obtain any kind of automatic weapon), it'd damn near impossible to get a gun here in New Zealand. For starters, you need a clean criminal record, a clean bill of mental health, and at least two family members who can testify to your responsibility.

When someone gets shot, it's front page news, and the whole country stands still. We've only had one "Massacre" as such, and that was fifteen years ago. Sure, GUNS might not kill people, but it's a hell of a lot harder to go on a murderous rampage with a baseball bat or a screwdriver. Don't get me wrong... I'm not trying to brag about how great New Zealand is (we have problems too)... just a little food for thought...

Mmm... Beer... c(_)

COMMENT | Wrong Place
posted by : POOPNOODLE
3/22/2005 2:02:35 PM

He should have gone to a CHURCH and popped some caps...Oh well maybe the next one

COMMENT | Funny...
posted by : Von Doom
3/22/2005 2:12:41 PM

how a lot of tunnel-visioned morons blame "heavy metal" for every ill in the world from acid rain to zoophilia.

And seeing as how I'm currently listening to the 1812 Overture by Tchichovsky I suddenly feel the urge to defend Moscow from Napoleon.

Yep, just like my heroes who listen to metal and proceed to blow up anything that moves.

To those of you who believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn and a tower in London that I can sell to you real cheap.

COMMENT | And oh yeah...
posted by : destructo_dog
3/22/2005 2:13:04 PM

...Chris Rock totally hit the nail on the head when he talked about this shit back in the day...

"All bullets should cost $5000 a piece. If a bullet costs $5000, people will think twice before they shoot someone. "Man, I will BLOW yo' fucking head off... if I can AFFORD it!! I'm a get me another job, start saving some money, then you a dead motherfucker!! You better hope I can't get no bullets on lay-away..."

Mmm... Beer... c(_)

COMMENT | GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE...
posted by : biggusdickus
3/22/2005 2:20:12 PM

dangerous minorities kill people.

(j/k...credit to getoffended.com)


HEY, ANYBODY FROM ENGLAND....

Am I wrong or is there not a real hostility in the UK towards heavy metal? Seems strange considereing how many of the greatest hard rock/metal bands ever came out of Great Brittain.

COMMENT | wrong
posted by : deadcradlemanson
3/22/2005 2:36:12 PM

man, this is such shit. Heavy metal does not make you anti social. The people who don't accept because you listen to heavy metal makes you anti social. I bet that kid got picked on every day and no one did anything about it until he snaped. Yeah, he was a crazed white supremisist, but you can never say that they weren't constantly giving shit about it.

COMMENT |
posted by : Destiny_Is_Dead
3/22/2005 2:36:55 PM

So....

What bands was he into?

COMMENT | whatever
posted by : boofybltzd
3/22/2005 2:40:26 PM

I bet if this idiot was into cRAP then this post would have never been posted.

"If guns are responsible for killing people then my pencil is respondible for misspelled words."

COMMENT | R.I.P to all those killed by this nut-case
posted by : InFlamesWeTrust
3/22/2005 2:41:24 PM

maybe we should start blaming rap for gang violence...

COMMENT | Also
posted by : boofybltzd
3/22/2005 2:46:51 PM

Thats what our second amendment is all about. It protects us from fuck nuts like that

COMMENT |
posted by : frutiger
3/22/2005 2:52:47 PM

who the fuck cares if he listened to metal??

if he ate at mc. donalds, drank coke, watched CNN - would the media blame those things???

COMMENT | Excellent
posted by : Lord Faust
3/22/2005 3:13:52 PM

This will keep them off my tail, as I continue my rampage of clubbing old people to death with frozen babies. I'll just blare some Huey Lews and The News, and the cops will be none-the-wiser.

COMMENT | metal makes you violent
posted by : BlackDaimon
3/22/2005 3:18:41 PM

didnt you know that? if it doesnt turn your brains to mush it turns you into a murderer.

COMMENT | This one's not an American problem
posted by : ghostofmetalpast
3/22/2005 3:33:42 PM

All you jackasses blaming American gun laws for this are doing so at your peril (especially you Europeans who hate Americans but think Native Americans can talk to animals, bring rain at will, and survive the central North American climate with nothing but a loincloth, spear and peace pipe). The Red Lake Band is not subject to American gun laws. The Red Lake Indian Reservation is a closed reservation. That means they are not subject to ANY laws of the state of Minnesota. They have complete sovereignty except for major criminal events, like this one, where the FBI can get involved after the fact. It's basically a foreign country. If you're not in the tribe you can be denied entry or kicked off the land for any or no reason. If you are fishing on Red Lake and your boat crosses the unmarked boundary of reservation waters you can get arrested and have your boat confiscated. (By the way, the Red Lake Band caused the collapse of the walleye population on that lake by overnetting so it is closed to walleye fishing for ten years - so much for the myth of communing nature). So your problem is with the gun laws of the Red Lake band.

Oh yeah, for those who cry when they listen to "Run to the Hills": the Ojibwe stole the land around Lake Mille Lacs from the Dakota indians long before whitey arrived so who should that land be returned to?

COMMENT |
posted by : TheDeadly1
3/22/2005 3:35:28 PM

Oh here it comes, now people are gonna bad mouth metal for a month like when Dime was shot. They should probably blame the people who picked on him. When it comes down to it, those are the ones who push people over the edge. Remember Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.

COMMENT | ghostofmetalpast
posted by : Hellfire(~\m/~)
3/22/2005 3:50:43 PM

I was wondering where the hell you've been. It seems you only come out for the good threads, eh?

Excellent post, BTW.

Anyway, I've checked some other sources and I didn't see any mention of this kid being metal fan. He did wear black though. So there you have it. He was obviously a metal fan.

COMMENT | it will never stop, never.
posted by : www.blackviolin.com
3/22/2005 3:54:52 PM

Humans are insane.

COMMENT | what the fuck
posted by : steveusagi
3/22/2005 3:59:07 PM

this fucking does not make want to fucking people. People need to stop blaming the music and realing look into what causes these sick fucks into killing people. IT sounds like that this kid lived with his grandparents because sounds like his parents did not want him or were too busy with their fucked petty lives to do anything with. Jesus fucking Christ gow the fuck

COMMENT |
posted by : molotov
3/22/2005 4:07:57 PM

dammit. not again. i was in high school when Columbine happened, and i had to watch myself the rest of the way through after that shit went down. and now that it's finally a distant memory for me or anyone else in that crowd at the time, this shit happens again, and now a new crop of the 98% or 99% of current high school kids who're into metal/goth-industrial who're perfectly normal and fine and not like that piece of shit are gonna now be pigeonholed into that fucking stereotype now too. it's fucking bullshit and unfair.
fuck that motherfucker. i was in that crowd in high school somewhat at the time, and now i'm in a fucking death metal band, and i'm not out killing anybody. shit.

and for the record, Manson's not metal. i hate it when the media considers him metal. he more in the vein of industrial-rock than metal. now White Zombie and Skrew and Ministry, that is more of what i'd consider industrial-metal.


RIP to the victims.

COMMENT | Steve Sausage
posted by : dchaos72
3/22/2005 4:10:47 PM

That post made no sense.

COMMENT | I wish he was a britney spears fan
posted by : dochorror
3/22/2005 4:17:29 PM

Come on, if a fan of britney goes on a killing spree the news never tries to make a connect, but as soon as a metal head goes on a killing spree its like " was there a metal connection?!?!" fuck that is so goddamn lame. maybe this metal head should of taken out Pop music fans to make it a good ole' east coast / west coast style fued in music, not just rap.

COMMENT | holy CRAP!!!
posted by : dochorror
3/22/2005 4:21:06 PM

slipknut35 is the first person I ever saw post on here that said something intelligent!.

There really is a chance that not everyone who posts here is a moron.

COMMENT | The blame is on..
posted by : supershined
3/22/2005 4:32:54 PM

I am so sick of music getting blammed for improper parenting skills. This has nothing to do with how he was raised maybe?...how did he get the guns?..surely they didnt come in a Marilyn Manson cd...or KMFDM. People are sick..this shit has been going on for years. People always look to the easiest thing to blame...hes goth, listened to heavy music...shit..i wonder if i killed someone listening to Styx or Bob Seger..would they blame it on adult classic contemperary rock?..cause that is the shit that makes me wanna kill...at least if your going to blame a band..blame it on GG Allin or the Dwarves..lets mix it up a little..this goth/metal thing is starting to get trendy.

COMMENT | dchaos
posted by : BLS NOMAD
3/22/2005 4:34:23 PM

how many times do we have to hear your thoughts on people using cliches as arguments. Your arguments are just as cliche. Ypu're guilty of the same tact as most arms defenders. Just a little more pissy and whiny. A gun sitting on a table does not kill someone is the point.Its as true as the day it was first stated. Just because it doesnt fit your faggy argument that all guns should be destroyed you dont like it. Fuck off...Go tread on someone else rights liberal.

COMMENT | Its fucking idiots
posted by : metalbassist300
3/22/2005 4:44:49 PM

like this that make us relatively normal metal kids targets.

COMMENT | To slipknut35
posted by : boofybltzd
3/22/2005 4:49:47 PM

the only purpose of a gun in the second amendment read it youll be a lot better off. And if you cant fin it here it is.....


A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

COMMENT | To BoofBLTzd
posted by : dochorror
3/22/2005 4:58:30 PM

The only purpose in this day and age is to kill, plain and simple. Maybe back in the day you needed a gun to keep the queen of england off your ass but not in this day and age. Unless you are some paranoid bastard who thinks the government is out to get you do you need a gun. Everyone on here is so god damned patriotic that think the US Gov. knows best but is unwilling to trust the Gov. to protect them.

COMMENT | BLS Nomad
posted by : dchaos72
3/22/2005 5:04:14 PM

Man did you ever miss the fucking point. I have no problem with guns being legal. I have friends who are gun owners, I've shot one several times. It hink gun laws should be stricter, but I have no problem with people owning guns. Besides this wasn't a civilian gun anyway.

My problem is with people arueing with cliches. If you don't have an original arguement with a good insight... save it. Your point was originasl BLS. It didn't have a god damned thing to do with anything I said, but it was original.

COMMENT | Militia means THE PEOPLE
posted by : boofybltzd
3/22/2005 5:19:34 PM

If u came to my home, school or wherever I am at the time, and U or anybody else that threatens my life or well being. I have the right to do the same as you inted to. I am a security gaurd and its bull shit that if A thef trys to hurt me I cant do the same to them. BUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT makes that possible. HOWEVER people like you dont belive in and makes my job AND POLICE a lot harder.

COMMENT | Here we go again
posted by : morbid misanthrope
3/22/2005 5:20:26 PM

I am so fucking sick of gothic kids.

COMMENT |
posted by : Darkwater04
3/22/2005 5:21:27 PM

It's funny how nobody blames Rap music form gang related murders. More people die of gang related shit, than goth kids shooting up their peers. If music was truly to blame (it's not, not even Rap, I'm just saying), then Rap should be a bigger target...

But politicians can't do that.... because they would be called racist by all the fucking Rappers.

COMMENT | the defintition of militia
posted by : BLS NOMAD
3/22/2005 5:24:34 PM

has greeatly changed from the date of the penning of the bill of rights. Militia as it is meant in the bill was defined as a group of men who can be ready at a minutes notice to defend thier rights and land. The definition of militia now is greatly seen as a bunch of guys running around the woods in michigan scaring liberals.

Question 1. Is a bow and arrow used as a tool to Kill?
Question 2. Is a bow and arrow used as a weapon of choice to kill?
Question 3. Can a bow and arrow be used to kill from a distance of more than 10 feet?
Question 4. What is the true purpose of a bow and arrow?

whats your fucking point genius? Clubs, knives, staffs and swords kill as well. Should we outlaw them as well? The only difference is you can kill from more than 10 feet away. Is that the deciding factor.

I guess you could put those questions to just about any household aperatus as well. With the proper use of a gun you can deter someone from inflicting harm on you or your family without even firing a shot. Should none of us be able to deter harm from coming to our family? Should we bow to the will of every criminal who sees our houses as the means to his next fix? I hate people who infringe upon my 2nd as much as people who infringe on my 1st. People who take that line, usually libs, are no better than the consevatives that they despise.

COMMENT | Thank GOD BLS NOMAD
posted by : boofybltzd
3/22/2005 5:33:11 PM

Finally somebody with brains. I know I wasnt able to articulate myself in a better way but thanks for making the piont.

COMMENT |
posted by : Darkwater04
3/22/2005 5:36:47 PM

I think that the only people who should be allowed to have guns are Military, Police Officers, and Hunters. However, you must pass a strenuous hunting license exam AS WELL as extensive field training before you are allowed to buy a gun. Really, the only reason a civilian has a gun for anything other than hunting, is to kill another human being. My Country is so fucking paranoid!!!

I shoot M9s, M14s, M16s, AR15s, 50cal. machine guns, 25mm maching guns, grenade launchers, M60 machine guns regulary, and there's no purpose for weapons like that in the civilian world.

COMMENT | Stupid kid
posted by : Classic13
3/22/2005 5:52:58 PM

Ya know, they always blame it on the music when its not something that the majority of the population likes. They should be blaming the parents. If the kid was a fan of country music and gunned everyone down cowboy style, that wouldnt even be talked about.

COMMENT | i suppose we can speculate
posted by : BLS NOMAD
3/22/2005 5:57:21 PM

til the cowscome home what Ben Franklin would say. Given the fact that every state that issuespermits to carry has seen decreases in crime speaks volumes. What you are stating slip is that you think law abiding citizens shouldnt have guns. This is the most flawed thinking I've ever heard. How about letting law abinding citizens carry so criminals dont know who to take advantage of leaving them utterly confused as who to fuck with. Shame we dont live in a perfect world and I know from your post you blame the United States for that. I'm sure weve done no good in the world.

COMMENT | Darkwater
posted by : BLS NOMAD
3/22/2005 6:02:36 PM

what should people do about thier homes?families? No need to protect them?

COMMENT | what about the parents
posted by : stazirulez
3/22/2005 6:17:16 PM

did anyone mention that the folks of this kid i'm sure brought this kid up right. wtf?!!

COMMENT | Stazirulez
posted by : NxBxL
3/22/2005 6:19:44 PM

Actually they probably didn't, because the caretakers were probably the grandparents...who were also shot by this kid :).
Anyway, it wasn't just metal, I BET IT WAS THAT DAMN GRAND THEFT AUTO GAME THOSE KIDDIES ARE PLAYING NOWADAYS

COMMENT | (Sarcasm for those who can't see it)
posted by : Seekednstruck
3/22/2005 6:21:03 PM

This makes a whole lot of sense to me now. Recently, I have been feeling a bit homicidal and now I know why, I listen to metal. The two things obviously coincide perfectly. I don't know why more tragedies in the world aren't being blamed on the metal community. I mean, things like the Oklahoma City bombing and the Titanic were obviously directly involved with Metal.

COMMENT | the kids father killed himself
posted by : BLS NOMAD
3/22/2005 6:31:14 PM

4 years ago and the mother is pretty much brain dead from a car wreck. The kid lived with his grandfather who was an ex cop and his wife.

COMMENT | GTA is a ridiculously stupid game
posted by : BLS NOMAD
3/22/2005 6:33:13 PM

I'm all for burning hours on end on PS2 but that game is fucking stupid.

COMMENT | well put fukhead
posted by : BLS NOMAD
3/22/2005 6:37:58 PM

that sounds funny.

COMMENT | Just shows how truely blind we are
posted by : John Bender
3/22/2005 6:41:43 PM

THE PEOPLE are lazy in America. We go out of our way to treat our kids to McDonalds but we can't teach them to look out for signs of crazy lunatics like this. We need to be more alert and stay focused on this shit. It's the same reason why we have so many traffic accidents, we just simply are unaware, unfocused and forget that this planet is simply getting smaller. It's not his fault, it's our fault. When I was in school, I got looked at the same way, I wore Number Of The Beast shirt all the time, it didn't drive me insane, but I tell you what, the SCHOOL COUNSLER NEVER SAT DOWN AND CHATTED WITH ME EITHER!!! Deep down we just give a fuck until something happens, but we love visitinig RONALD MCDONALD HOUSE, JOHN WAYNE GACY, don't we......WAKE THE FUK UP PEOPLE....TOGETHER WE CAN UNITE...but it's YOU who choose not to.....

COMMENT | Yeah were lazy
posted by : BLS NOMAD
3/22/2005 6:47:54 PM

the whole 50 hour work week while the euros are sitting on thier asses really shows how lazy we are. We have so many6 traffic accidents because we have so many cars and people driving them. Should we all be trained to recognize sociopaths? What steps should we take when we see them? handcuff them? You wore NOTB t shirt an no counselor asked you about it? Should they have?

TAKE A LOOK AT JOHN BENDER IN 5 YEARS. NOT SO FUNNY. JOHN BENDER IS AN IDIOT.

COMMENT | okay...
posted by : anonymous
3/22/2005 7:11:44 PM

take the pressure of the industrial freaks and now pour it back on the metal scene like it was in the 80's with Ozzy's Suicide Solution!

soon we will be seeing a witch hunt on Metal releases in big chains like Tower Records..

COMMENT |
posted by : zacksmack17
3/22/2005 9:07:35 PM

i hate out fuckers out there are so steriotypical

COMMENT | kubotah
posted by : zacksmack17
3/22/2005 9:13:06 PM

you forgot head going crazy about jesus

COMMENT | Hey BLS Nomad
posted by : John Bender
3/22/2005 10:40:19 PM

How many times have you posted on here today......yea...were Lazy.....I think I summed it up when I said YOU chose not too....YEAY YOU....

COMMENT | the defintition of militia
posted by : John Bender
3/22/2005 10:43:57 PM

shall not be infringed

COMMENT |
posted by : childrenofthedamned
3/22/2005 10:54:43 PM

The last TV commercial I saw, I had the urge of breaking into some corporate ad-agency and wasting all the execs.....

But then I spent some quality time alone with my collection of heavy metal CD's and now all is fine! That kind of stuff doesn't get counted...

COMMENT | figures
posted by : Skinless Bloodbath
3/22/2005 11:24:01 PM

well since he was goth and listened to metal, thats the reason he did this, just wait for all the conservative media to blame metal for this, and not even mention the fact the kid was just fucked up and picked on. im so sick of music being the focus of blame on these school shootings, the media is so quick to judge and cant just say this kid was disturbed.

COMMENT | R.I.P. to all who died
posted by : king nothing
3/22/2005 11:28:48 PM

Now for the real Q.....who the fuck gave him a GUN???
he killed ppl with a gun not heavy metal

COMMENT | My ten cents on it...
posted by : )TestAmenT(
3/23/2005 12:04:33 AM

Here is what I would do: Either give everybody in the entire country a gun, and fully train them to the nth degree on how to properly make use of the instrument, or take away every single gun from every single person in the country (except for the law and govt personnel, of course). I know I'd think twice before shooting somebody when I know full well that person is a trained marksman :)

And here is why the media focuses on heavy metal: Because it is obviously represented with negative images. It gives the media a simple, down to earth reason for why this happened. "He listened to heavy metal, and heavy metal is bad, so obviously heavy metal made him do it." Plus, and here is the kicker, the media can find a CURE for it. They can't cure depression and mental angst caused by a family tragedy, no, but they can certainly point blindly at metal and attempt to silence it from ever being dissipated.

When you truely think about it, the world is spiraling down into an abyss of madness so unfathomable I dare not predict what will happen next for fear of a catastrophic, hilarious disaster wiping out countless lives I really care nothing about. Let me change the channel...

Now listening to: Slayer - Hell Awaits. \m/ \m/

COMMENT | Here we go again...
posted by : destructo_dog
3/23/2005 12:26:41 AM

Out come the gun-nuts. Funny, that. We have bugger all guns in New Zealand (as I may have mentioned earlier) and we never have a problem "Protecting Our Liberties", if you will. Hell, apart from a slug gun at school camp, and on a cop in Australia, I've never even SEEN a gun outside of a glass case. What's the fucking fascination? And if you feel that you NEED to own a gun to be safe, perhaps you should consider moving to a safer area.

Of course there are deranged psychopaths out there, but since when has fighting fire with fire ever worked? Ever hear of a guy named Ghandi who persuaded the British to relinquish control of India, without firing a single shot? Besides, although I don't have a violent bone in my body, if I ever really wanted someone dead, it would be much more fun and satisfying to do it Hannibal Lector style, with my bare hands. Just a little food (no pun intended) for thought...

Mmm... Beer... c(_)

P.S. Is it safe to walk down the streets of Compton at night yet?

COMMENT | conservative media to blame metal for this...no,no,no
posted by : John Bender
3/23/2005 12:47:33 AM

we are the one's who want to protect the rights. We want to keep the Constitution locked up from getting overwritten by Hillary and her cokies...sorry...croaines... It's the radicals who want to KILL TERRY SHIAVO..don't forget we just passed the bill to keep her alive.

COMMENT |
posted by : Kreep
3/23/2005 1:42:20 AM

It's funny when so many other murderers out there who don't listen to metal get labelled by the musical preference.

FOLK MUSIC FAN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR WORST SCHOOL SHOOTING.

COMMENT | How guns, sticks, bats, shoes, etc. are useful....
posted by : blueshirt
3/23/2005 2:21:04 AM

.....self defense.

If you have never thought of ever needing access to a weapon, you are either:

1. in denial of the risks and uncertainties of reality, or

2. you are somehow 100% certain that you will always encounter only lifeforms that are completely benevolent by your own standards.

I think that the first scenario is more likely.

Good people only want to continue living.

COMMENT | and no more scapegoats!
posted by : blueshirt
3/23/2005 2:40:28 AM

I think I am going to have to break down and get a pet goat. No, no, the word "pet" is too demeaning. Instead, I will start a goat sanctuary--a safe haven for all goats. And I can guarantee that at Goat World there will be much heavy metal music....

....especially the goth metal like Marilyn Manson.

I couldn't resist.

COMMENT | This is to all the ignorant non - Americans...
posted by : snipershot
3/23/2005 3:21:40 AM

Even if we make laws to stop the sale of guns, that doesn't mean it's going to solve the issue of people getting them. If you think these people actually walk into Wal-Mart and just buy a gun, you are sadly mistaken. You need to stop listening to Michael Moore and his propaganda. There are people who can get you what you want if you pay their price and I am not talking about Johnny the sales clerk either. Plus, if these people weren't so fucked up to begin with this wouldn't happen wether they own a gun or not.

COMMENT |
posted by : mydyingbride2003
3/23/2005 9:03:04 AM

Whoever posted this article on here is a moron. This incident had NOTHING to do with music. If he listened to pop, music NEVER would have been brought up. I listen to metal - I have over 1,000 cd's and not a single one has a lyric telling me to go shoot someone - so fuck you to whoever posted this article. You're just trying to start pointless shit.

COMMENT | America is a sight more different than New Zealand
posted by : BLS NOMAD
3/23/2005 11:24:27 AM

If thats youre argument, that we should be more like you, Youre living in fantasyland.

Yes Kull would want to ban all guns so the future facist his country will follow will have a seamless transition to the ethnic cleansing they will put in motion. FUCKING IDIOT SOCIALIST SCUM!

COMMENT | this is stupid
posted by : kara11223344
3/23/2005 12:34:52 PM

I live in Minnesota, and all they said was he wore a black coat. There for that makes him a heavy metalist. There were other major problems going on. It's easrier to blame the music. What about the fact his dad killed himself 4 years ago. How about the fact is mom is in a nursing home, almost brain dead from a car accident. What about he was left to live with grandpa. He lives on a reservation. He has lost everything. what about the social acpect of it all. Why only blame the music. Music is probably the only thing he had going for him self. What about the fact he lives in a small town. Small towns are not forgiving. Everyone gossips, you can never more on. You are always stuck with the title they gave. I'm from a small town and in hight school, had a baby, gave it up but some how when the 5 year reuins come around, I'm all way forgotten. They say it's a mistake. I haven't moved in 35 years. Same house. How could it be a mistake. Why don't they blame the town. They probably had the most to do with it. Stop blaming the music.

COMMENT | Wow
posted by : sixxgunner
3/23/2005 3:08:14 PM

Just another sad day on the rock. Life can be so cruel. Music is the outlet to vent anger and frustration not the reason someone acts violent. Confused kids who miscontrue!!!! Simple as that.

COMMENT | This guy was Native American for Chist's Sake....
posted by : John Bender
3/23/2005 6:25:41 PM

why don't we blame Native American Music...come on man. The dude lived on a Reservation how much of a American metal infulence could he possibly have had. You I'm not sure how a reservation works but that school was on a reservation, basically if your not native american you cannot atten the school. Blame the Native American Community, not the White Devil every time a problem arises that you can't control....oh wait....native american's didn't kill each other out of hatred........go fuck yourselves



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