ALICE COOPER Says MARILYN MANSON And SLIPKNOT 'Don't Have A Punch Line'
- June 27, 2005
Australia's FasterLouder.com.au recently conducted an interview with ALICE COOPER. A couple of excerpts from the chat follow:
On other "shock-rock" acts like MARILYN MANSON and SLIPKNOT and how he feels what he is doing is different:
"What's different is my approach to it. I don't think you can shock an audience anymore. I think audiences pretend to be shocked. You can't out-shock CNN. When I'm sitting here watching a real guy getting his head chopped off and I'm going, 'Well, that's certainly more shocking than me doing my head getting cut off on stage.' Shock rock's dead at that point. You know MARILYN MANSON, SLIPKNOT cannot be more devastating than CNN. So we've been eclipsed by reality here. Shock rock was easy in the '70s as there was nothing like it. You could wear makeup and put a snake around you, get your head cut off and call yourself Alice Cooper and everyone was just, 'Ahhh! How could they!' And it was great because we could, you there was nothing really in the show that was… it was vaudeville. Now I do it to entertain the audience. Now when people see the guillotine, [in a whisper] 'Ohhh… the guillotine, the guillotine,' and we make it as real as you can make it, and it really looks real and the blood goes in the audience and the people love getting covered in the blood and for that moment, yes, it is shocking but it is always accompanied by a little laugh. You kind of go, 'Ha,' and that to me is what it really is.
"The difference between ALICE COOPER and MARILYN MANSON is I don't think MARILYN MANSON has a punch line. I don't think SLIPKNOT has a punch line. They go out, they're aggressive, they're over the top, blasphemous on every level, without a punch line and that's the difference. To me, I like to give the audience walking away a 'That was the best party I've ever been too' not 'I feel a little sick to my stomach.' That was never my object to make the audience a little sick to their stomach, you know, it was always to make the audience say, 'I can't wait to see them again.' The other difference is songs, I have the luxury of going back to 14 or 15 radio hits whereas these guys don't and I've always emphasised… you know I've never talked to Marilyn Manson one-on-one but that would be an interesting conversation because I think he is really good at what he does, I don't believe in what he does, certainly on a theological level, being Christian, you know. I understand it, I get it, he does what he does as well as I do what I do, but I don't agree as to what his product is. But he's very good at it… it would be an interesting conversation."
On how he reconciles his stage persona with his belief system and his religious feelings:
"Well, I don't really think that they oppose each other at this stage, because if anything, I have always in my life, with the last four or five albums, I have totally preached against the whole satanic movement. Not preached but warned against it. I've certainly warned against apathy in your spiritual life. I think you do need to find the thing you believe in and you better find it pretty quick. For me to say that, for Alice… Alice is just a comic book. Alice is like 'Phantom of the Opera'. I don't see any difference between the violence in my show and the violence in 'Macbeth'. I mean, when you were at school you had to read 'Macbeth', that's much bloodier than what I do and that's a classic. So I don't really find the opposition there. I'm not telling people to sleep with anybody, I used to but not anymore. I don't believe that anymore. I believe in the sanctity of marriage, I believe that sex is better, best when you're married, so I oppose a lot of things that you would never think that I would oppose but I'm not one of these [wagging his finger at me], I'm not a finger wagger, I'm sitting there going 'This is what I believe,' and Alice Cooper is going to give it to you in the face.
"Most of my songs are about people, the hypocrisy of people and that makes it fun for me because people are the greatest subjects. They are the greatest source of sex, religion, comedy, tragedy, everything I write about in my songs are about the ironies of being human. I mean, I'm not sitting out there on a soapbox but if you ask me, I'll tell ya what I believe. So I don't really find anything wrong with playing Alice Cooper. I think it's just culture, it's an art form. If I were preaching: 'Go ahead and screw every girl you can,' I think it would be a different thing but Alice, he just doesn't do that."
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COMMENT | posted by : suffersystem 6/27/2005 9:25:31 AM
Alice Cooper was alright back in the day, but has he done anything lately that would be even relevan to music? Did I hear he put out a new album? MM and Slipknot are coming from a different side than Cooper. He was more theatrics, where the other two are more shock.
COMMENT | Yo Alice, it's called entertainment, remember? posted by : mrpunchy 6/27/2005 9:39:53 AM
Who cares if it's scary or not, that's not the point. I seriously doubt that Slipknot's goal in life is to scare the shit out of people. They got noticed, now they move along and bring music to people.
I went to see Batman Begins. I already knew the storyline, but I went anyway CAUSE IT ENTERTAINS ME, right?
COMMENT | Well put, Alice.... posted by : angstmonger 6/27/2005 9:57:52 AM
Keep up the good work.
COMMENT | Another outdated old fuckerrrrrrrrrrr posted by : peepuu 6/27/2005 10:00:21 AM
yawn, who cares what alice thinks, he sucked for about 15 years now.... he wouldnt understand todays music if a slipknot cd smacked him in the ehad....
COMMENT | posted by : RiotAct666 6/27/2005 10:14:40 AM
ALICE RULES
COMMENT | Yo Alice ... eat shit posted by : ANGST -> THE AGITATOR 6/27/2005 10:21:37 AM
you know....At least if Marilyn Manson says he is an Anti-Christ you can believe him, you just try to act like one for 'shock value' go fuck a snake you washed up old fucking fart
THE DEVIL WAS SICK THE DEVIL A MONK WOULD BE: THE DEVIL WAS WELL THE DEVIL A MONK WAS HE
^^ANGST^^ -> THE <- ~/AGITATOR\~
COMMENT | This thread will be funny posted by : mrpunchy 6/27/2005 10:28:20 AM
Alice bashing gently those who dared walking in his footsteps.
Oh well, reading the article again, he makes sense anyhow. BTW Alice, Manson also puts an act: he's not saying to actually sleep with everybody, right?
Things like "Mr Superstar" it's like ironical lyrics, right?
COMMENT | I find it funny posted by : hippieshateslayer 6/27/2005 11:51:00 AM
that Coop became everything"anti" rock...a politician(?), a rich upper-crust,high society type(a game of golf,anyone),and most important,he's pretty much bagging two bands that have sold albums very well. Like them or hate them,but Coop doesn't get it,thus making him old and out of date.
COMMENT | posted by : January_007 6/27/2005 11:53:25 AM
Marilyn Manson is just a giant Alice Cooper rip off.
COMMENT | On Alice... posted by : the holy ferret 6/27/2005 12:02:44 PM
I'm usually inclined to agree with Kull on some issues, but I think you're off the mark on this one m8. Alice knows all about le grande guignol. His 1994 concept album 'The Last Temptation' was all about it. The guy was best mates with Dali so I think he knows the roots of what he practices.
I don't care for Alice's religion. I don't care for his comments about Manson either, actually Manson has a very ironic sense of humour. I still think he's great though. The most under rated rock artist of all time. He's contributed at least as much to metal as other non-metal artists like Pink Floyd or Deep Purple.
I get what he's saying though, you can't shock people like you could in the 70's, unless you're ignorant. Alice has always been about theatrics and ironic humour. Nowadays people get up on stage and do the violence for real. Which is still funny, but more in a laughing at how pathetic they are kinda way, rather than a laughing out how ironic they are kinda way.
People would have to be pretty ignorant to consider Slipknot shocking or groundbreaking in any way. Although it has to be said, Slipknot has done more in music (at last in mainstream terms) than Alice has in the last 10 years. But no new artist, no matter how innovative can ever compete with what bands like Cooper, Led Zep, Pink Floyd created.
Alice = The definition of cool.
COMMENT | posted by : SDMF04 6/27/2005 12:11:15 PM
I listen to all 3 artists.
COMMENT | HORROR ROCK IS THE REASON I EVEN LIVE ANYMORE= posted by : T-Boner.com 6/27/2005 12:15:47 PM
COMMENT | HOW PATHETIC posted by : Dead of Winter 6/27/2005 12:32:59 PM
Another musican that got rich being contraversial, blasphemous, and violent that has now turned into a pussafied sheep, another brainwashed follower of the religious lie. But, it's perfectly okay to keep the old alice cooper alive on stage doing all your violent theatrics and claim "it's just an act." Why? more money... but then again, that is what religion and the churches are about... it isn't it alice? Money.
COMMENT | No matter what he says.. posted by : cracked-clavicle 6/27/2005 12:37:00 PM
he still made some classic music Killer, Welcome to my nightmare, muscle of love, last temptation, always among my favorites. too bad about the christianity thing,
but long live alice... he will always be one of my top five alltime...
COMMENT | Conservative Alice Cooper? posted by : YummyDownOnThis 6/27/2005 12:47:50 PM
Isn't it ironic, don'tcha think?
COMMENT | Kull posted by : Basskiller 6/27/2005 1:04:09 PM
It might be a first, but I agree with your last post. Well put.
Alice still rules!
Vince www.chronicnarcosis.com
COMMENT | WTF? posted by : evilernie 6/27/2005 1:42:01 PM
When did Alice become such a pussy? It's been a slow transition, but I think it all started when he stopped drinking and picked up those golf clubs.
Anyway, his last few albums have been great and he still kicks ass live.
COMMENT | raise your fist and... posted by : Hardcore666 6/27/2005 1:59:55 PM
...YELL!
COMMENT | but what posted by : hippieshateslayer 6/27/2005 2:03:30 PM
about Alice saying that music is your art? So "Trashed" was his art? I used to like that tape but in retrospect....isn't that an imitation in itself as to what was going on in the music scene?
Am I stabbing at air,or does anybody agree/understand?
COMMENT | In other words posted by : hippieshateslayer 6/27/2005 2:04:12 PM
Was he just copying off of someone else's canvas?
COMMENT | posted by : NemesisOne 6/27/2005 2:19:13 PM
I'm a huge Alice fan. People's beliefs change with time. I don't think he really brought up the Christianity part on the large scale till the interviewer asked him.
Now I am not a fan of Marilyn Manson's. I don't have an opinion of him really. However I have seen his fans. A lot of (and in no way am I saying this about MM fans here, just the ones I've encountered) come off with the "God Sucks" thing and have a bad outlook on life and are pretty much waiting for armegaddon to come. I never saw that with A.C. fans or Black Sabbath fans or anything. I think alot of their music and work reflects in the fans. The fans endeveour to almost be like the artist to follow in the "trend." Now while A.C. fans aren't satanists are dark themed, they aren't church goers either. They are average joes who like heavy metal and classic rock music as much as the next person.
Like Alice said, MM is very good at what he does. But with MM, it comes off as if he has an agenda and again, just look at his hardcore fans, they are all something they once weren't. Alice did have an agenda possibly too, but that was to introduce something to rock that was never there before. He never tried to persuade anyone's beliefs which MM has successfully done. Even in an old old interview from the 70s, Alice said "This is Alice Cooper, and I'm not trying to push or pull anything from anyone. They can have anything they want with Alice Cooper." MM took it to the next level but in the end has suffered alot of plaque for it. I have no idea about Slipnot so no comment on them.
So I'm trying to see where some of you are getting off on Alice about? Are you mad that he doesn't agree with your political or relgious views and isn't a pussy to admit what he believes in unlike some of you and you are using this as a poor excuse to attack him? Or is it that you guys actually do like Marilyn Manson and think he is the next god and just don't like the fact that the man who was there first and did it all to hell and back actually defended himself against his own "Grandson" if you will and was right about him? For the most part, I see a bit of Alice bashing which is initial weak responses which all come off as untrue.. but I see very little of you supporting whey you disagree with Alice. "Alice sucks, but I have nothing to back up that he is wrong about Marilyn Manson or Slipnot." Typical for some of the people here.
So is Alice right about shocking people? Yes. People can not be shocked anymore so why bother?
COMMENT | posted by : NemesisOne 6/27/2005 2:28:10 PM
HippieHatesSlayer: In a way yes.. but that's called "Staying with the trend" and we knew this about 15 years ago and it isn't well regarded among hardcore fans. Do keep up!
EvilErnie: Since when were pussies afraid to speak openly about what they believe in don't care what you or me think? I certainly don't see him rushing to internet message boards thinking "Oh gosh I hope i didn't say something wrong!"
COMMENT | I think... posted by : deathportal 6/27/2005 2:37:27 PM
People can ALWAYS be shocked, simply because this sick world we live in will keep pushing the envelope further and further to find new things to shock people with. Eventually, I think we may see live murders on stage that are part of the show. I don't mean like Dimebag, where he was playing his show, unknowing that the jerk was going to shoot him. I mean that I think it will be part of the show. There was already that dark band that tried to have a live suicide on stage. Sooner or later that kind if thing is really going to happen. And it's scary. Rock and roll, to me, is about having a good time. Sure you can sing about death, but don't kill people. It's about having fun, releasing some energy, and enjoying yourself. These Satanic bands, and bands that want to do live suicide on stage are totally missing the point of rock 'n' roll, IMO. That shit isn't fun, it's just pathetic.
COMMENT | T-boner posted by : ALICEINCHAINS2 6/27/2005 2:40:24 PM
Why don't you spend more time with your wife and kids and less time trying to chase rock stars and horror movie idols?
just a friendly suggestion, or perhaps a JOB would make you a real man.
COMMENT | posted by : NemesisOne 6/27/2005 2:45:21 PM
DeathPortal, though I hope what you say doesn't come true, but you do have a point. But however, it is a lot harder I would say. And you have to sacrifice more to shock anymore. And if it means sacrificing a life.. it could very well happen.
COMMENT | NemesisOne posted by : hippieshateslayer 6/27/2005 2:56:51 PM
Keep up with what?
COMMENT | posted by : Secured Limitations 6/27/2005 3:01:50 PM
Exactly, two pointless jokes.
COMMENT | NemesisOne posted by : evilernie 6/27/2005 3:23:02 PM
Oh gosh I hope i didn't say something wrong!
COMMENT | ALICE OPENING HIS DUMB MOUTH AGAIN posted by : BLEMISH106131 6/27/2005 3:52:44 PM
ALICE HAS BEEN A HACK FOR ALL OF HIS CAREER....14 HITS?? MY ASS TRY 3 MAYBE AND HE NEEDED HELP WRITING THEM...HES COMPLETELY OUT OF TOUCH AND HIS AUDIENCE IS ALL 40-50 YEAR OLD BALD FAT DUDES WHO STILL LIVE AT HOME WITH MOMMA SPOKE POT AND PLAY VIDEO GAMES.... GOD HE SUCKS....
COMMENT | As a MM fan... posted by : hello? 6/27/2005 4:11:45 PM
While I do like his music and respect him for starting off "shock rock" I am losing respect for Alice as a person. I went to his Christmas Show here and Phoenix, Arizona and it was nothing like the old Alice, there were kids there, and only a few of the old metal guys with jeans. It's not that I don't respect his change, but he has to realize MM is doing what he did but at a different level.
Being a MM fan, I am often under fire of the whole "all of his fans are morons." And yes, some fans do act like idiots, but for the most part, fans of his are very intelligent on expressing their views on religion. I would like to see Alice Cooper have that conversation with MM because he clearly doesn't see where MM is coming from. I read his Autobiography, have looked at his lyrics, and what MM is about is not just this massive hatred for God. When he was a kid, he was basically an outcast, and was even thrown down when he attempted to fit in. His hatred is for the people who mindlessly follow God. In my opinion, the people who accuse MM fans of "mindless sheep" are not only wrong, but worse because they mindlessly follow God. Nobody thinks anymore, you just do what you're told, that's what MM is against. Sure he is "against all gods" but thats only because part of his beliefs are in satinism, where you in sense worship yourself. Now for Slipknot, I don't know them well enough to make an opinion so I won't, but basically Alice has to do his research.
COMMENT | BLEMISH106131 posted by : hippieshateslayer 6/27/2005 4:26:18 PM
that's pretty sad if you actually know people like that.
COMMENT | ALICE COOPER=GOLF posted by : Deblaze 6/27/2005 4:39:38 PM
IS ALICE'S PUNCH LINE. SHOCK ROCKER NOW GOLF PLAYER. HEHE GREAT PUNCH LINE. MARILYN MANSON AND SLIPKNOT PUT ON GOOD SHOWS AND MAKE DESCENT MUSIC WITH A GIMICK. IT MUST WORK BECAUSE MILLIONS OF FANS CAN'T BE WRONGED OVER AND OVER.
COMMENT | Kull. posted by : Meat_Cigar 6/27/2005 5:03:49 PM
Kull is a fucking genius. No-one will read this, but, Kull is a genius.
Kull.
(like a mother)
COMMENT | Ok posted by : Meat_Cigar 6/27/2005 5:08:57 PM
Me, Kull, Clavicle, and Holy-farret in a hot tub together...butt naked.
COMMENT | At the risk of being branded "closed minded" by certain peers here... posted by : Von Doom 6/27/2005 5:13:26 PM
I'll weigh in and say my 2 cents worth.
From the looks of things, the biggest divider here is Cooper's faith in Jesus Christ.
Nothing new there actually, faith in Christ has been the Great Divider ever since the early part of the first century, even when He was still alive prior to His crucifixition and resurection from the dead.
In truth, concerning Jesus' claims there can be NO middle ground.
There was never meant to be any gray areas, Jesus himself openly stated that.
I'll go so far as to say that certain of my peers here who claim to be "open minded" are even more defenisve and closed minded than people like Cooper, myself, and others have been or are ever likely to be.
Speaking only for myself I can honestly say that my eventual conversion to belief in Chrst was the result of a reasoned approach based on the assumption that order on the scale of the Universe cannot be the result of a random chaotic spontaineous generation of Time and Space as we know it from utter and complete nothingness.
To my mind, believing that the Unviverse invented itself without any outside intervention makes as much sense as believing in utter fantasies like the Easter Bunny, or Santa Claus.
After coming to the conclusion that there was indeed a creator based upon the evidence before me, the next step for me was was to find which belief system best matched the facts as I understood them.
Atheism, by it's very demand that the Universe invented itself from nothingness eliminated itself rather early on.
After examining the Nordic, Greek, Egyptian, and other belief systems I eventually found that Judaism was the best fit for the Universe and it's creation.
The first chapter of Genesis which in my opinion gives a logical way to build an terrestrial ecosystem can speak for itself if you care to read it.
After studying Judaism, it's teachings and it's associated prophecies etc I found that belief in Jesus and His doctrine made total, complete, and perfect sense.
You may strongly disagree, and you have the right to do so; I have no real stake in your accepting anything I say.
Nor can I truly say that I care one way or the other what anyones opinions concerning my beliefs are.
If you are foolish enough to believe that my faith in Jesus Christ is the result of some polyester clad ghoul selling miracle spring water or claiming to have been visited by a 900 foot tall being claiming to be Jesus Christ telling him to come up with 10 million or die (or whatever amount it was) then I will leave you to your ignorance.
COMMENT | Blemish106131 posted by : Von Doom 6/27/2005 5:30:36 PM
is only looking for attention.
COMMENT | ALICE BLOWS posted by : BLEMISH106131 6/27/2005 5:39:02 PM
I DONT NEED TEH ATTENTION ALICE SHOULD HAVE RETIRED 25 YEARS AGO WHEN HE SUCKED BAD BUT NOT AS BADLY AS HE DID NOW...AS FOR SHOCKING ID SAY SEEING ALICES FACE IN THE DAY TIME PHOENIX SUN WOULD BE ENOUGH TO SHOCK MOST PEOPLE...HOMEBOY LOOKS LIKE 10 MILES OF FUCKED UP ROAD.....
3 HITS NOT 14 YOU RIGHT WING GOLFING WASHUP!!!! YOUR RADIO SHOW IS HORRIBLE AS WELL CHESSY JOKES AND ALL GOD YOU SUCK VINNY!!!!
COMMENT | Von Doom posted by : hippieshateslayer 6/27/2005 5:55:48 PM
See, I buy into the big bang theory. And I do believe that we evolved from one-celled organisms,which in turn became primates,which in turn became neanderthals,ect.
At the risk of sounding cliche..the Salem Witch trails,the Spanish inquisition, world war I and II,9-11,and our occupation of Iraq lead me to stand by the belief that if God indeed does exist,there would be no reason for such huge amounts of death and loss of life. And the things they all had in common...religious beliefs(essentially,not wholehartedly)
And there are other tragedies that have lead to death on a large scale that also go along with my beliefs,but i don't want to indulge too far into it. I believe at one time there was a man,known as Jesus Christ(or whatever other religions refer to him as) and he had great ideas,and because he was a lot smarter than most of Jerusalem,he became heralded as a great man,and eventually a great threat because of his idealism and the fact that people would bow to him than they would any type of monarchy,which led to his crucifixion.
However,the accounts of those that he was buried and walked three days later...well they either took a lot of payode or the guy wasn't dead.
My other belief is that the "Deity System" was devised by a select few wisemen who wanted the masses as a whole to follow a general set of rules while under the impression that all of mankind is under constant vigil by an all-knowing ever-seeing force that controls life,death,weather,disease,ect. and the idea basically spread from there and transended generations afterwards of not only giving the notion of what I said before,but a false pretnse that if you leave it all to "god" and repent when you do wrongdoing,you are in the clear.
That's my look on Christianity,et al,and I wouldn't expect anyone to either agree nor disagree. We all can have our own outlooks on these sort of things.
COMMENT | Well i like posted by : Of Blackest Craft 6/27/2005 7:46:14 PM
Slipknot, Manson and Alice. Alice is the best of the three though, i agree on that, but not because of the "punchline" thing, simply because his music and lyrics are fucking great and he puts up the best show.
COMMENT | hippieshateslayer posted by : Von Doom 6/27/2005 8:44:36 PM
Concerning the amount of death etc on earth as you mentioned in your posting: God entrusted us with this world to look after it and each other.
It's a trust that we are presently failing miserably.
Regarding your faith in the Big Bang I have but one question: if nothing at all existed anywhere regardless of state or dimension prior to the existance of the Universe where then did it all come from?
Just curious.
COMMENT | Alice Cooper? More like Alice Crackpot posted by : rollins 6/27/2005 8:50:42 PM
Alice claims to have 14 to 15 radio hits? Is he insane? The only song you will EVER hear on the radio is "School's Out". PFFFF, a legend in his own mind.......
COMMENT | BLEMISH, SPEAK FOR YOURSELF posted by : mrpunchy 6/28/2005 12:19:39 AM
I never heard his radio show, but anyone who is anything of a fan knows Coop carries a great show.
I'm into all these bands... and many more. But from the sound of you, you must be one of those Inflame meets Lamb of God guy... So your opinion becomes irrelevant in this thread.
But enough about you * ba-da poom tsssssss!!! *
COMMENT | Umm yeah.... posted by : NemesisOne 6/28/2005 1:38:37 AM
Rollins and BLEMISH: He doesn't claim to. He DOES.
These are Radio and Billboard hits: I'm 18, School's Out, Be My Lover, No More Mr. Nice Guy, Elected, Poison, Feed My Frankenstein, Welcome To My Nightmare, Only Women Bleed, I'll Never Cry, How You Gonna See Me Now, Clones (We're All), Under My Wheels.
Big albums were: Love It To Death, Killer (6th biggest selling album of 1972) School's Out, Billion Dollar Babies, Muscle of Love, Welcome To My Nightmare, Goes To Hell, Flush the Fashion, From the Inside, Trash, Hey Stoopid.
Hippie Hates Slayer: That we knew about Trash being a hair metal album around 15 years ago. You do have a good point but it was kinda obvious with Desmond Child's influence.
Hello?: Umm yeah you went to a christmas show that is done for charity for the Solid rock foundation that Alice has. You did NOT go to an Alice Cooper concert. The Christmas Pudding and an Alice Cooper show have absolutely nothing to do with each other. He's not gonna have the guillotine and leather jeans and all that at a Christmas Show. Go to his concerts, then you'll see Alice Cooper. So that is kind of unfair to judge Alice Cooper based on what you see at a Christmas Show.
You gotta realize, there's Alice Cooper the guy, then there's Alice Cooper the guy on stage.
COMMENT | Kull posted by : Von Doom 6/28/2005 3:13:56 AM
once again you miss the point completely.
What I said was "if nothing at all existed anywhere regardless of state or dimension prior to the existance of the Universe where then did it all come from?"
Your point theory violates the "nothing existed anywhere REGARDLESS of state" condition of the question, and is therefore invalid as an answer.
Nice try however, trying to pull off Genesis without God doing the work.
COMMENT | It's sad posted by : kihara77 6/28/2005 3:27:13 AM
that some people don't get it. Alice Cooper, Slipnot and MM are all gimmiks, it's a persona, it's a character they portray to make money. At the end of the night they take their masks off and go about their lives.
"MM is about is not just this massive hatred for God. When he was a kid, he was basically an outcast"
actually, Brian was a pretty normal kid who participated in a lot of High School activities, including sports. He had a dream of being a rock star, so he worked for a local rock paper, wrote about rock stars, studied them and invented the whole "MM" persona. He was very focused and determined.
"MM" is his job. His persona. He sold his audience on a silly doctrine, and they bought it hook, line and sinker. While silly mall goths are busy drinking cat blood, he's hanging out with Hollywood celebrities, dining at "it" restaurants and wearing armani clothes. He could care less about his "fans". The only thing he cares about is that you still buy his shit, to make sure he get's his invite to Puff Daddy's parties and doesn't wind up on Mr. Blackwell's worst dressed list.
COMMENT | How can ANYONE not like Alice Cooper? posted by : J.J. Cook 6/28/2005 4:54:24 PM
I don't say that just because I'm a fan but because it's true. NO Alice Cooper fan probably likes all the songs , why? The songs are all very different and Alice basically reinvents himself with a different {sometimes for the better sometimes for the worst depending on your opinion} sound EVERY album. If you like the heavier stuff then Brutal planet is sweet {I like it} and dragontown is good too. Hair band rock? Trash and company {I like it and own it} classic rock , schools out and company. Ballads? Has them. He has music for all styles and I like the hair band pop/rockish stuff in trash and the albums around that time I like the classic stuff like schools out , muscle of love and etc, I like the hey stupid album a lot and I liked both dragontown and brutal planet AND I liked the eyes of alice cooper. I guess a lot of fans are just to clsoed minded I have electic tastes from classic hard rock to death metal so Alice rarely disappoints while some are to hung on to a certain sound. To much stuff nowadays and etc. sounds all the same artists never sound different , another reason why Alice is the best.
COMMENT | besides... posted by : Magnum 6/29/2005 5:55:09 AM
Alice Cooper can be the best man in this world, because of his music or whatever... but the deal is that you can't critize someone that does exactly the same you did! (or still do... whatever) the man must clear his head and realize that his time has passed! but i agree with him when he said that people doesn't freak out anymore with same stuff... then why is the man comparing this times with his young and beauty years?!... a little bit ironic... SO CONTRADICTORY! i dare to say... but whatever floats his boat... the man doesn't have much time as mm and slipknot to do great things so... should we worry?...
COMMENT | posted by : NemesisOne 6/29/2005 10:42:55 AM
Magnum: You brought up a good point.
I will defend Alice any day. But we all have our faults. There are old pics of Alice interviews he did for Penthouse or w.e. and he's surrounded by naked chicks and he's setting in a King Style thrown chair. HE was the rebel. Now he's not. I think it's just a case not of his christianity, but of his maturity. Don't we all have parents who did stuff when they were young that they don't do now? Drugs and all that? Don't we all have parents who would kill us if they saw us drinking when we were 16 and THEY did it when they were 16? I think that is what is going on here. Just because he is Alice Cooper doesn't make him any different than anyone else.
He is not past his time or whatever and he can have more time than MM or Slipnot. The weakest response against anyone is race or age when you can't find anything better to slam them about. He'd probably be saying these things at 27! MM and Slipnot can decide to quit or get killed and Uncle Alice is still going at it and he, at 57, does not intend to quit ANYTIME SOON.
COMMENT | Thank goodness inItaly we're taught about greek and roman philosophy in high school! posted by : Von Doom 6/29/2005 1:42:46 PM
"roman philosophy"..?
You mean they actually had some that they DIDN'T steal from the Greeks?
Amazing.
Anyways, discussions on the origins of the Universe are debates in cosmology, not philosophy.
Or didn't your education include any methodolgy concerning the correct discernment of parameters?
Oh, I'm sorry I forgot.
That would require knowledge of logic and it's usage, which you don't seem to have.
COMMENT | huuum... posted by : Magnum 6/29/2005 9:37:53 PM
Yeah i know we all once did stuff that now a days we don't but even knowing that i'm not criticizing the ones who are now in that situations, if the guy were mature then he would shut off his mouth and let the ones who aren't, do whatever they want with their lifes cause at the end... isn't that what maturity is about?...
COMMENT | Lol. posted by : ProwlerOfShit 1/29/2008 12:03:30 PM
Wow. Marilyn Manson isn't just about shocking people. He just happens to be him, which shocks people in itself. At least he's not just an act, a little horror show that jumps around on stage and puts on an act, then goes home and conforms to a conformity religion. Manson lives his music. His "shock act" is his life. He doesn't have anything conformitive or "comforting" or "good" (an opposition to being bad) to fall back on at the end of the day. It's the same situation with Slipknot. Both bands aren't to be patronised, especially by someone old enough to be my father and someone old enough to ACT like my father. Change is expected, Alice, but no one wants to hear your opinion about why you think Marilyn Manson or Slipknot are less important or silly/pointless musicians than yourself.
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