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LARS ULRICH Slams DAVE MUSTAINE For His 'Pathetic' METALLICA-Bashing - Jan. 10, 2006
BLABBERMOUTH.NET has obtained another excerpt from METALLICA drummer Lars Ulrich's exclusive interview with editor Steffan Chirazi of METALLICA's official fan club magazine, So What! The chat, which was conducted in September 2005, was published in the magazine's latest issue, which was recently sent out to the band's fan club. An excerpt from the interview follows:

So What!: We should address the Dave Mustaine [MEGADETH mainman, ex-METALLICA guitarist] issues which have repeatedly come up. It irritated you to a great degree at one point on the tour, to the point where I think you considered for the first time in 20 years stepping off the high ground and throwing a volley of shit back at Dave. Why do you think this continues to come from him? Are you, as we sit here, at peace with the fact that Dave is, shall we say, an idiosyncratic person? Do you feel sorry for him? Or do you think it's lame that this guy keeps on popping up, like 20 years later, and bitching about a life that is actually rather good as a consequence of his work with you?

Lars: "I talked about it quite a bit towards the end of the tour. And my thoughts haven't changed much. I was saddened by the fact that his views on 'Some Kind of Monster' [METALLICA's documentary about the making of their last album, 'St. Anger', in which Mustaine makes a brief appearance] were as extreme as they were, because I still say today that those moments in the film were incredibly strong and incredibly emotional and powerful. And I'm certainly proud of my part in that. I'm a little perplexed by his reaction, but also a little mistrusting of it… because he wasn't able to follow through on that kind of openness in front of whoever he feels he has to serve. And I felt that was just a pity. One could certainly argue that all of the shit that went down in the wake of it summarizes the different places that we are in, how we view our careers, just who we are, and so on."

So What!: When he was speaking up and out, why did you just not get him on the phone and say, "Look, dude, what the fuck's the problem?" And why does that not happen? I mean, why could that not happen?

Lars: "I don't know, man. I think I divorced myself from it emotionally. You were around at the height of all that stuff, and like I pointed out at the time, [there's] a funny parallel between Dave Mustaine's METALLI-bashing and the releasing of a new record of his. So there's this weird thing that's kind of sad and pathetic that, X percentage of the press around a new MEGADETH release simply becomes about METALLICA, which is, you know, sad and pathetic. But also, if you put it in perspective and still look at a couple of factual things, remember that the guy was in our band for just around a year."

So What!: Wow. When you put it like that…

Lars: "…there's two more. He was in our band for about a year. Before we released our first record — he's never played on a METALLICA record. Okay, that's number two. It was 22 years ago. That's number three — okay? So put those three facts down, he was in our band for a year. He never played on a METALLICA record, and it was 22 years ago. It's pretty absurd that it still can be that big a deal. I mean, to me, that's just fucking mind-boggling to the fucking highest degree. There was one other thing that happened, which was that in the wake of Dime's [late PANTERA/DAMAGEPLAN guitarist 'Dimebag' Darrell Abbott] untimely and tragic death obviously, a year ago, when Dave kind of —"

So What!: We're reffering to the PANTERA guitar player.

Lars: "Yeah, when Dave, one day, two or three after Dime was killed, did kind of a 180 and said something like, 'I regret everything I've ever said bad about anybody,' and basically extended an olive branch or peace offering to everyone. And I was sitting there thinking, 'That's all well and good, but it's really fucked up that it takes a tragedy like someone dying in order for that to come up in you.' And what happened was, on the back side of that, I pretty much divorced myself from him emotionally and to be totally honest with you, Dave Mustaine hasn't really registered on my meter in the last nine months. I thought there was a pathetic element to that, like, you know, 'Now the heavy metal community must stand in unison,' and so on. And I appreciate that on the surface, but why the fuck does it take the tragic death of somebody like Dime in order for us to band together?! We should all band together, all of us, always, in the rock community. Do you know what I mean? So since then I've been emotionally disconnected from Dave. Now, as you're well aware, in a moment of boredom on an airplane from A to B, at some point just about a year ago right now when his last record came out, as you are well aware because you read it, I sat down and wrote him a letter that I was contemplating publishing on some of the fine Internet gossip services that we all have available at our reach. And I decided not to, but it was certainly fun writing it."

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COMMENT |
posted by : grynch1
1/10/2006 10:47:02 AM

wow!

COMMENT |
posted by : gr_1988
1/10/2006 10:47:15 AM

first post i've not read the story thoguh yet lol lol =]

COMMENT |
posted by : grynch1
1/10/2006 10:47:39 AM

Lars is the man. Dave is a pathetic little man who can't forget the past. Grow up Dave - and move on.

COMMENT |
posted by : gr_1988
1/10/2006 10:47:46 AM

i was beaten to first post ach well n soz i've no read the stroy yet soz

COMMENT | gr_1988
posted by : grynch1
1/10/2006 10:52:06 AM

what?

COMMENT | captainjapan
posted by : grynch1
1/10/2006 10:52:36 AM

indeed

COMMENT |
posted by : molotov
1/10/2006 10:52:37 AM

this thread is gonna light up by mid-afternoon, i can already tell. gotta check this one later for a good read.....




MESHUGGAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COMMENT | wow
posted by : gr_1988
1/10/2006 10:53:26 AM

soz i keep on postin =] but yeh he certainly put Mustaine in his place i'll tell you.

COMMENT |
posted by : grynch1
1/10/2006 10:54:04 AM

The title is misleading - Lars harldy "slammed" Mustaine - he just called him on his behavior. He was actually rather restrained.

COMMENT | gr_1988
posted by : grynch1
1/10/2006 10:54:37 AM

huh??

COMMENT | grynch1
posted by : gr_1988
1/10/2006 10:55:28 AM

am bein kinda random 2day dunno y thoguh lol soz =]

COMMENT | Get a life dave.
posted by : Yeti
1/10/2006 10:57:19 AM

That is pretty lame that dave can't let it go.. He comes across as a total fucking pussy..Step up mother fucker!!

Metallica rules!!!

COMMENT |
posted by : grynch1
1/10/2006 10:58:38 AM

I can't fucking believe there are more postitve Metallica comments than negative ones. Not for long I'm sure.

Can't wait for the new record!!

COMMENT |
posted by : suffersystem
1/10/2006 10:58:45 AM

You can say what you want about Lars, but I must say there is quite a bit of truth in his statements. It was 22 years ago and Dave must still bring it up. Personally I'm glad Dave was out of Metallica. Megadeth have had classic metal albums and are up there just as high as Metallica. They just took different paths to where they are and both are not at the top of their game anymore. I think it's about time to move on and quit bitching about what could have happened 22 years ago. Dave has Rust In Peace...Metallica has Master Of Puppets, both classics.

COMMENT | captain japan
posted by : gravaged
1/10/2006 10:59:14 AM

[quote] metallica has always ruled while megadeth has always been mediocre at best.[quote]

other way around

COMMENT | Pathetic?
posted by : Purpendicular
1/10/2006 11:05:14 AM

Mustaine is a rather sad person, if one should read the facts. Bob Rock's name was nowhere in that article, so why we're reading about Rock here, I dunno.

COMMENT | Guardian
posted by : grynch1
1/10/2006 11:05:33 AM

WAY off the mark - Dave is sour grapes. Metallica has sold close to 100 million records for a reason. Megadeth never reached that success for a reason.

COMMENT |
posted by : archetype1118
1/10/2006 11:06:41 AM

Megadeth > Metallica

COMMENT |
posted by : suffersystem
1/10/2006 11:08:15 AM

Sales only matter up to a certain point. Which is the better band could be debated forever. Bottom line is they need to move the fuck on. Both have classics, both have shit. Some Megadeth is even better than Metallica, but I find Metallica in the end to be a better band. It's all about opinions and tastes.

COMMENT | Big Bad Wolf
posted by : grynch1
1/10/2006 11:08:22 AM

Another Fred Durst? You mean Lars is a rapper in a shitty rap/metal band? I thought he is the drummer in Metallica?

Fucking idiot.

COMMENT | Besides...
posted by : Morgray
1/10/2006 11:09:36 AM

...Metallica can still kick ass live to a certain degree while Megadeth can not.

COMMENT | archetype1118
posted by : grynch1
1/10/2006 11:09:45 AM

You suck at math.

COMMENT |
posted by : TheReaper
1/10/2006 11:11:10 AM

Did Metallica give dave credit for most of Kill em All and Ride the Lighting? and some songs on Master of Puppets? He may not of played on them by he had a hand in writing them.

COMMENT |
posted by : SouthoftheAbyss
1/10/2006 11:14:31 AM

dave should shut up
but lars should recognize the fact that dave penned some of metallica's early classics
pretty shitty of them to use daves songs in my opinion

1980's = Metallica>Megadeth
1990's/2000's=Megadeth>Metallica

COMMENT | grynch1
posted by : Z-Pac
1/10/2006 11:16:25 AM

"WAY off the mark - Dave is sour grapes. Metallica has sold close to 100 million records for a reason. Megadeth never reached that success for a reason."

Record sales do not validate music, it only makes it alot of money.

Metallica has by far shittier guitar players (if you say Kirk is a great guitar player you will prove to anyone with a shred of real musical talent how misinformed you are.)

Lars is a terrible drummer.

They made money by being media darlings.

Maybe you enjoy the songs that Metallica write more than the songs that Megadeth write, thats fine, but Megadeth crushes Metallica on a musical level and you can go and compare riffs, solos and drumming to back that up. Anything Marty Friedman pooped in his time in Megadeth alone can prove that.


"Another Fred Durst? You mean Lars is a rapper in a shitty rap/metal band? I thought he is the drummer in Metallica?

Fucking idiot."

I didn't hear Megadeth coming out with any songs with Ja Rule shitting over them.

That and I believe he said he was another Fred Durst in the sense that Lars constantly gets all expressive about his band just in the same way that Fred Durst did with his shitty band.

But if you twist peoples words around and believe that Metallica can do no wrong, I can see how that muck you all up.

COMMENT | Pleases lars
posted by : blahblahmouth
1/10/2006 11:22:53 AM

you need to be slammed. youre a phony bitch who has caused his bad to spiral out of control creatively. You suck

COMMENT | SHUT UP LARS
posted by : Ken Hawk
1/10/2006 11:27:47 AM

InTervieww went bad. This apeish executive was teeling me abouyt the last person who hasd the position got laid off baecause he was one of those 'yes man" kind aguys ands i tell her im not im an indfpeentdant thinker and ill tell you straight up whats on my mind and she says prove it and i said you look like a gorilla and i mean i thoguth the conversaation was light-hearted and we weere having fun and i didnt really mean it to come out like that byut she said get the fuck out so that was over very quiclk.

KEn HAek

COMMENT | Ten of Swords
posted by : Muzz
1/10/2006 11:31:12 AM

Your ignorance actually stuns me. I honestly can't even begin to decipher your clueless rantings. Wow.

COMMENT | WOW
posted by : dinopuppy
1/10/2006 11:35:01 AM

As much as I don't care much for Lars and his attitude, he REALLY changed my opinion on this whole Mustaine thing. 22 years ago, the guy never played on a Metallica record and was in the band for maybe a year........ WOW.

When you put it that way, you can really see how Mustaine has just used these guys all these years to get publicity. That is incredible.

COMMENT | Z-Pac
posted by : grynch1
1/10/2006 11:35:13 AM

I don't judge music strictly based on technical proficiency. There are a lot of guys I know who come into the music store I work at that can shred like Friedman or Mustaine, drummers that can play like Menza. I judge music based on the songs - not who's a better wanker/shredder. Metallica are far superior song writers. I don't like Mustaine's guitar playing (I find it to be generic and cheezy). Hammett may not be as technically good as Friedman or even Mustaine - but I far prefer his playing and the way it fits in with Metallica's music. Lars may not be as good a drummer as Menza (or whoever the hell is in Megadeth now) but he is a great songwriter/arranger and his drumming style fits Metallica's music perfectly.
As far as being "misinformed", I write, produce and perform music for film and TV - just signed a deal with Procter and Gamble and ESPN (extreme sports type metal), so I know a thing or 2 about music, thanks very much.

COMMENT | Ken Hawk
posted by : grynch1
1/10/2006 11:36:08 AM

Jesus - that is the worst spelling I have ever seen in my life...

COMMENT | Ten of Swords
posted by : grynch1
1/10/2006 11:38:40 AM

Are you actually 10?

COMMENT | MidnightNambla
posted by : grynch1
1/10/2006 11:39:33 AM

Then why are you posting about them?

COMMENT | field jameshet
posted by : angerinc
1/10/2006 11:39:49 AM

I'll take Risk over Metallica (Black album), Reload and St Anger any day of the week. As others have already said on here, go back to the first three albums, Mustaine wrote most of it.

COMMENT | I predict one million posts...
posted by : typeodude
1/10/2006 11:46:03 AM

...over/under being 50,000.

COMMENT | They should get together...
posted by : wellhungnecro
1/10/2006 11:48:22 AM

Metallica and Mustaine and release and album called..

"Shitty meets Shitty"

COMMENT | Dave > Larz
posted by : redrumloa
1/10/2006 11:48:37 AM

Dave > Larz
Dave > Jaymz
Dave > Kirk

COMMENT | kissrules
posted by : grynch1
1/10/2006 11:48:53 AM

Actually that's a really good point...

COMMENT | slayer631
posted by : angerinc
1/10/2006 11:49:46 AM

"mustaine and lars = big pussies. members of bands who havn't put out a decent record in way over decade."

Slayer's last good cd was Seasons in the Abyss, released in 1990.

COMMENT | GIVE ME
posted by : T-Boner.com
1/10/2006 11:51:19 AM

MEGADETH any damn day !

COMMENT | For Real
posted by : plasteredbastard
1/10/2006 11:51:57 AM

If you really want to get down to it.
The last great Metallica album was Master Of Puppets and some of Justice.
The last great Megadeth album was Peace Sells.
Both are bawl babies and egomaniacs
I just don't understand when they did that crap movie they just didn't beat each brains out with lead pipes and all this bullshit wouldn't be talked about.
Did anyone ever wonder why Newstead split this bullshit factory?
Hmmmmmmm

COMMENT | field jameshet
posted by : angerinc
1/10/2006 11:57:26 AM

I never said you liked those albums, I simply stated that I'll take Risk over those three any day. Where in my post did I imply that you liked those discs? Reading comprehension!!!

COMMENT | 17 year ago
posted by : Western Filet
1/10/2006 12:03:05 PM

...that was the last time Metallica was relevant and putting out great music! Since then, they've gone down hill faster than Milli Vanilli....

Mustaine, however, has continued to put out great and ok CD's....Megadeth has shown to be at least still honest to what was started over 20 years ago...

How and why you fuckers keep supporting Metallica...I will never know. And apparently, Lars can't take the advice of his therapist and drop the subject himself.

COMMENT | Mustaine credits
posted by : gcarl1983
1/10/2006 12:05:25 PM

According to the liner notes for Metallica, Mustaine had a hand in 4 (out of 10) songs on Kill 'Em All and 2 (out of 8) songs on Ride the Lightning. That tells me that while he did contribute, it wasn't all that much, and like Lars said, he didn't actually play on the album. Moreover, Metallica's best work, MOP and AJFA, were completely Mustaine free, so whoever says that Mustaine did this and that and wrote so much of Metallica's early stuff is clearly wrong.

COMMENT |
posted by : fightoficarus
1/10/2006 12:07:20 PM

OH SNAP. SHEEP WARS!

COMMENT | they both kinda suck these days
posted by : \m/...Baron Von Wasteland...\m/
1/10/2006 12:12:18 PM

at least "The System Has Failed" felt like real Megadeth-style metal. St. Anger was just crap. Given those elements, and what the guy pointed out about Dave having a full and lucritive career as a result of being banished from Metallica 22 years ago, Dave Mustane really has no reason to hold such a grudge after all this time, which it seems like he does, even after his peace statement a day after Dime passed.

Both of these bands need to move on. This battle stopped being interesting 15 years ago.

COMMENT | Some of you guys just can't stand the fact...
posted by : typeodude
1/10/2006 12:12:32 PM

...that Lars is right about this. Regardless of how you feel about Lars personally, he's right about how Dave can be two faced and a total jack ass sometimes! That doesn't stop me from liking classic Megadeth, though. Good music is good music, and Rust in Peace is one of the greatest metal albums of all time right up there with Master of Puppets.

P.S. For the moron who thinks that Dave wrote some of the music on Master of Puppets, you're an uninformed idiot!

COMMENT | hehehe
posted by : redrumloa
1/10/2006 12:13:23 PM

Hot damn does 'llica suck worse than a Hoover!

Larz' drumming sounds like pots 7 pans falling off a table.

Jaymz' signing sounds like a 7 year old boy who got kicked in the nads.

Bob Rockz' Bass? Where?

Kyrk's guitar? Eh, pretty lame.

Hang it up, losers.

COMMENT | Lets rip all of dave's song off
posted by : bhoss
1/10/2006 12:16:27 PM

Consider the fact that about 85% of Kill Em all was Dave's stuff they ripped from him. Why dont Lars acknowledge that!!!

COMMENT |
posted by : fightoficarus
1/10/2006 12:17:53 PM

I like how you guys keep bringing up your opinions of their recent catalogues when it has nothing to do with anything.

COMMENT | VINNIE VINCENT IS
posted by : T-Boner.com
1/10/2006 12:18:15 PM

GODDER THAN GOD...

&???

COMMENT | Pathetic
posted by : ThrashLV
1/10/2006 12:20:11 PM

Metallica are a washed up has been's that haven't done anything since AJFA.

COMMENT | Lars needs to play in time and stop punching in his parts!
posted by : subsonik
1/10/2006 12:25:18 PM

Write some damn songs nd stop going on about bs metal beefs. I feel sorry for poor Dave.

COMMENT | WOW!
posted by : fuk_you_bush
1/10/2006 12:26:23 PM

Id take St anger....Anyday over the shit dave has pu out like ....risk and cryptic writings....st anger was bad but still more metal that those crappy megadeth albums...and dont even get me started about that song sweating ...bullets.."hello me, meet the real me"..and he calls this a song abt schizophrenia...doesnt know shit abt stuff just writes crap. Also all of megadeth's good records were beacuse of marty...dave mustaine is a shitty guitarist his solos suck!..if you dont belive me then check out his ne w "metal" album TSHF..the 8 second solo of OF MICE AND MEN...and die dead enough...and the pathetic riff!...ITS DEFINATELY NOT METAL!!!!

and all those who say that mustaine wrote metallica's CLASICS!!! get ur facts straight he only CO-wrote...four horsemen..Motorbreath..phantom lord....call of ktulu. THEY ARE NOT THE METALLICA CLASSICS!!!!....and eh only wrote the solos to most of them..the riff was james. and the loser claims he wrote ORION...yeah im bying that one ..the whole world knows it was cliffs and james.

anyway "DROOGIES" go listen to sweating bullets, crush em...AND THE AWESOME HEAVY METAL CLASSIC: OF MICE AND MEN.....and his whiney pathetic live vocals

COMMENT |
posted by : En_Gris
1/10/2006 12:27:44 PM

The bus should have fell on Lars.

COMMENT | KEN HAWK
posted by : hardcoor
1/10/2006 12:29:27 PM

What the hell is wrong with you? I cant believe your silly ass got an interview.



COMMENT | SHUT UP LARS
posted by : Ken Hawk
1/10/2006 11:27:47 AM


InTervieww went bad. This apeish executive was teeling me abouyt the last person who hasd the position got laid off baecause he was one of those 'yes man" kind aguys ands i tell her im not im an indfpeentdant thinker and ill tell you straight up whats on my mind and she says prove it and i said you look like a gorilla and i mean i thoguth the conversaation was light-hearted and we weere having fun and i didnt really mean it to come out like that byut she said get the fuck out so that was over very quiclk.

KEn HAek


I mean are you joking? You didnt seriously call this woman a gorilla.

COMMENT | Zakk, Phil, Vinnie, Rex
posted by : papa_rocker
1/10/2006 12:29:47 PM

On the topic of Dime - Zakk, Phil, Vinnie and Rex should get together under a new name, headline Ozzfest and do all Pantera songs for one tour.

COMMENT | redrumloa!!!
posted by : fuk_you_bush
1/10/2006 12:30:49 PM

LARS DRUMMING IN DYRES EVE SOUNDS LIKE PANS???(I CANT REMEMBER ANY DETH DRUMMER WHO CAN DRUM BETTER)

JAMYZ VOCALS ON ONE WAS LIEK A 7 YEAR OLD BOY WHAT ABT MUSTAINES VOCALS LIVE AND STUDIO?

KIRK'S SOLOS ON FADE TO BLACK, MASTER OF PUPPETS, ONE, AND OTHER SONGS ARE LAME......TELL ME ONE GUD SOLO WHICH DAVE HAS WRITTEN...GO LISTEN TO THE SOLO OF DYRES EVE AND TELL ME ITS LAME!

COMMENT | AND ALSO
posted by : fuk_you_bush
1/10/2006 12:31:42 PM

CHECK OUT DAVES SOLOS ON TSHF...AND ESSPECIALLY S AWESOME GUITAR SOLO ON DIE DEAD ENOUGH NAD OTHER SONGS OF RISK!

COMMENT | Lars
posted by : le.dieu
1/10/2006 12:32:15 PM

seems right on this if you except the fact that he doesn't talk about the Mustaine songs on the first two albums, the fact that Kirk played the same solos Dave composed on KEM and that Megadeth ALWAYS been better than Metallica.

It's not hard to understand why Dave still talk about it. Learn some psychology, you will know.

But it's true that Mustaine shouldn't complain about his lifestyle because his lifestyle determine his death style so it won't be pretty. (Metallica are great philosophers ahah)

Grynch: If you're amazed by simple songs like Metallica compose, that's your choice but don't say they're better songwriter because of it. The complexity of Megadeth (in playing and song structure) is something Metallica could never achieve.

Now go back writing 2 chord song for your video game Mister "I know music" ahah

COMMENT | Ken Hawk
posted by : hellshock
1/10/2006 12:33:25 PM

you are killing me over here. first you blow an interview when you wear an iron maiden shirt to the office and didnt you have piss all over your pants last week when you shook hands with an executive with another company. man you are fucking pathetic. i was going to make a post regarding the above article but i cant even think anymore.

COMMENT | Several Facts Lost MyTurdLicker Lars
posted by : Brother Maynard
1/10/2006 12:38:06 PM

Let's see;

Lars pretended to be Dave's friend in order to swip his riffs and teach his buddy James how to play guitar. Right, Dave never played on a Met record, then why did they use his songs? If they kicked him out, they should have written all new material? Why? Simple fact, Metallica can't write a decent song to save their lives. They've been clouded by success and have very little to offer anyone except greatest hits concerts from the days of yore. The press also feeds into the conflict that will never be resolved. Dave has tried to move on but when it's constantly in your face, how can you? Lars won't drop it either. Dave is one of the last metal musicians with an ounce of integrity. Lars never had any and validating himself that he actually played with a "musician" with the caliber of Mustaine. Neither Dave or Metalicca will ever be free of the "brief" association they share because of the soap opera effect.

Megadeth is a musically better band.
Metallica has sold-out and made more money.
Dave is upset because in essence he got screwed by his "friends" and all the money, success and noteriety that can be traced back to the beginning when Dave's songs were used as the foundation of what is now Metallica.

Each of them owes the other their respective success. If they had not split, who knows what would have come of it but one thing is certain, without the split, there is no Megadeth and the great songs that have continually been written in anger and frustration. Emotions are what write songs and without them it all POP music and frankly, that's Metallica to me since Master of Puppets.

The songwriting left when Dave's ideas were used up and the band died when Cliff died.

COMMENT | BC
posted by : grynch1
1/10/2006 12:40:13 PM

Interesting...

COMMENT | Metal Community
posted by : Trevor Lane
1/10/2006 12:43:55 PM

No one in Metallica, especially the worst drummer in metal history - Lars Ulrich, has no place speaking for or addressing the "metal community".

Metallica lost that place with the release of Load!!!

Dave Mustaine still has that right due to not being a sell out little bitch like all the members of Metalllica!!!!


So, in summation FUCK METALLICA because they are no longer a metal band.

They're a fucking alt-rock/nu-metal/trendy shit band!!!

COMMENT | Galactic Cowboy
posted by : papa_rocker
1/10/2006 12:47:37 PM

...and to add, Megadeth (with the new line up) are absolutely killer live. You can't hear dave, but the guitars and drums are great.

COMMENT | Everyone on this thread is gay!
posted by : Morgray
1/10/2006 12:54:16 PM

I know best about all this but I'll keep it for myself.

Tough shit, uh? :P

COMMENT | Lars needs a reality check
posted by : darthadv
1/10/2006 12:58:58 PM

Mustaine gets baited by interviewers to answer the same questions over and over, and it happened a lot with the 'Some Kind of Monster' documentary. I remember listening to and reading responses to such questions, and the earlier interviews Mustaine was taking the high road, while later on he finally just started slamming them. I think it's just human nature to finally get sick of 'taking the high road' when you get the same questions again and again. Mustaine happened to have his new cd coming out at the time, and instead of the interviewers focusing on that, they would inevitably ask about Metallica and Ellefson.

Is Mustaine perfect? Far from it... he's said so himself. But let's put this in perspective: yeah, maybe he was in the band for only a year or so, but how long had Metallica been a band at that point? I can't honestly say it was one or two years definitively, but it couldn't have been much longer than that. Mustaine's point (at least my interpretation of it) was that he was the Metallica guitarist right before they were on their way to getting signed and felt like he got shafted/stabbed in the back at his dismissal. Granted, Dave brought on a lot of that himself with his alcohol and drug abuse, but the whole band were (in)famous for that sort of behavior (and we saw what nearly happened with James and the band because of it). Again, Dave is no angel, but his point of view has been that Lars and company were the pot calling the kettle black. Dave's admitted that he is at much at fault for messing up the opportunity of what Metallica became later. Metallica eventually became a huge money machine, so yes, Dave may have some resentment for not having a piece of that pie, however much he brought it upon himself.

22 years... well, Lars, if the interviewers invariably continue to ask him Metallica questions every time he tries to do press for a new record, what is he supposed to do, say 'no comment' and buy expensive 'works of art?'

Just so no one gets the wrong idea, I like both bands. But Metallica has become a mediocre corporate rock band now that's out of fresh ideas that thinks a little unproduced distortion can pass off as a 'raw metal record.' Megadeth is now living off its brand name, too. To be honest, if Dave and Metallica got together to write some tunes, they would probably put together some fresh sounding and truly heavy... but the chances of that happening are as good as Eddie staying sober long enough to see past his ego and team up again with that other Dave.

COMMENT | those are issue between lars and dave.
posted by : hatetofeel
1/10/2006 12:59:01 PM

thats their deal. both bands rock and thats all i have to say!!!

COMMENT | Damn!
posted by : Morgray
1/10/2006 12:59:01 PM

Insert "excluding me".

COMMENT | woodpeckers from mars.......
posted by : DeathTo FalseMetal326
1/10/2006 1:02:28 PM

Dude, Megadeth slays Metallica any day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS I know that this is a little bit off topic but has anyone ever heard of a band called Macabre? I recently got their cd Dahmer and its pretty good.

COMMENT | Actually Morbius
posted by : My Dark Chaos
1/10/2006 1:05:23 PM

Megadeth stopped playing thrash after Rust in Peace.
Anyway I like both bands a lot.

COMMENT | New Album
posted by : MetaliDeth
1/10/2006 1:09:53 PM

All of you people who come here just to bitch and moan about Metallica; why bother?!? Go to another thread for one of those bands who have out 20 albums that have exactly the same song on every one! You know the albums I'm talking about! That whole Grizzly Bear who's tripping on acid and has been possesed by Satan vocal, with the only words you can understand being actually just growls...It turns out to have no lyrical content! Look-Those CD's are out there! Go get them! And go post about your love for them. Go buy their "METAL" albums. That way, you won't have to worry about Metallica's past or next record and you can be happy. It doesn't matter what Metallica puts out, somebody is going to say it's not the same as ANJFA or M.O.P. Hey, I'm glad it's not! Who wants to listen to the same song and same sounding album EVERY TIME?!? Oh that's right---half the people reading this.

COMMENT | Re: DeathTo FalseMetal326
posted by : RAPE JESUS
1/10/2006 1:11:10 PM

Macabre is awesome, way better than metallica or megadeth. check out the album Sinister Slaughter if U like Dahmer. i also hear Macabre has a live DVD coming out this year, and they really are one of the best shows, and unique shows i've ever seen live. they are truely a one of a kind band.

COMMENT | le.dieu
posted by : grynch1
1/10/2006 1:13:56 PM

Megadeth's songs are juvenile and not really all that complex. The lyrics are silly "hello me, meet the real me" - terrible! The leads are generic and the whole sound has that gay Dungeons and Dragons feel.

Maybe you shouldn't judge my musical ability without hearing it first. I don't claim to be Metallica or Megadeth - but I know shit when I hear it.

COMMENT |
posted by : HellPatrol
1/10/2006 1:15:11 PM

ken hawk fucking rules

COMMENT |
posted by : Zaphan58
1/10/2006 1:16:01 PM

Lars is full of shit, he goes on about how Dave never recorded an album with them, but they still used the guys music for two fuckin albums.

Dave still releases quality albums, the system has failed was just that. What the fuck was that steaming pile of shit called St.Anger? I wouldnt even whipe my arse on it let alone spend my money on it.

COMMENT | kissrules and grynch1
posted by : dd64954
1/10/2006 1:22:01 PM

Finally, some intelligent people on here!

If one or the other (or even both) suck so badly as people claim, then why the hell do they even post?!

Apparently, people still care enough about both bands to slam them... :-D

And to put the record straight for all of those who claim to know their Metallica writing history...

1) Dave Mustaine contributed, did not write entire songs, on the two first albums - and was credited!!!

1a) Dave Mustaine wrote some lyrics for The Mechanix and Jump in the Fire, but those really sucked ass, and were tossed. Both songs were re-written after his booting and became arguable better!

2) Dave had written parts of Ride the Lightning and When Hell Freezes Over (Call of Ktulu) and solos. Again, both songs were changed and solos re-written by Hammett - yet Mustaine stille got credited!!!

3) There's a rumour about Mustaine writing the main riff of Leper Messiah - not true! Mustaine had in fact introduced Hetfield to something called "the spider riff" (this was used for the song) and Mustaine claims to have invented this riff. This is however also not true... this riff is apparently a very common metal riff?!

4) What Lars has said is true... all the way. Personally, I think he has taken the high road - maybe until just now.

On another note... I would also remind people that RISK was Megadeth's LOAD/RELOAD attempt - Mustaine said so himself at the time. When it didn't sell anything... he as quickly as possible tried fix his mistake, only to find out that he'd alienated his partner in crime, Fiedman.

Friedman apparently could see that the road Metallica had taken, and also Megadeth were taking, was the right one at the time. And my conclusion must be - since all of you experts say that Friedman is SOOOO talented and musically apt - that he knew that Metallica were on the right track musically and Megadeth (changing styles back to what became "The World Needs a Hero") were not; so he jumped ship.

So... there you have it! Metallica are the superior musicians!

hehe

Let the Flaming continue!

COMMENT | Technique means nothing
posted by : My Dark Chaos
1/10/2006 1:22:50 PM

Songwriting means everything. While Megadeth are more technical musicians, both bands have great songwriters in their ranks. I agree that TSHF is better than St.Anger (Which I LIKE A LOT regardless), but don't tell me it's better than Metallica's back catalogue, because we both know that's bs. Anyway music is subjective, so after all you are entitled to think so. I think the first 5 Metallica album destroy TSHF by far, even though I like it a lot.

COMMENT | ^^^
posted by : Steelers Own You
1/10/2006 1:24:27 PM

Well said Bon Halford and Brother Maynard.

I have no idea why Lar$ and Metallica are still allowed to make music. They had their license revoked as a metal band at least 10 years ago.

COMMENT | Pubo...
posted by : dd64954
1/10/2006 1:27:23 PM

How dare you insult the Danes!?

Where are you from, if I may ask?!

Tell me... do you even know where Denmark is?! Or what it means to be Danish!?

Please, refrain from being a biggot! You obviously have no idea about what the hell you are talking about!

And yes... I AM DANISH, too...!!!

And I love it... we're great! ... hehehe ;-)

COMMENT |
posted by : Dominic13
1/10/2006 1:30:53 PM

dd64954 wrote:
"Friedman apparently could see that the road Metallica had taken, and also Megadeth were taking, was the right one at the time. And my conclusion must be - since all of you experts say that Friedman is SOOOO talented and musically apt - that he knew that Metallica were on the right track musically and Megadeth (changing styles back to what became "The World Needs a Hero") were not; so he jumped ship."

Metallica were on the right track? Yeah, straight to Neverland Ranch and into the history books as a once great band who ended up selling their integrity (and balls) for top 40 pop shit.

COMMENT | Uhh you forget!
posted by : Earthlord
1/10/2006 1:36:07 PM

As arrogant as Dave is, most people forget that he was a big part of Metallica's early sound. This is a fact. So what if he didn't get to record with Metallica? His Writing credits strech up to the second, arguably the third Metallica album.

It's funny...Theres a direct correlation between running out of Dave's music and losing a creative guy like Cliff to their downhill spiral as of 1988.

Wanna "Go against the grain"? Make a good album, cause all we're expecting from you is crap...At least Dave has some great tracks on his newer albums.

COMMENT | Dominic 13
posted by : dd64954
1/10/2006 1:37:05 PM

What exactly is TOP 40 about LOAD/RELOAD...? Or even St. Anger...?

You're just so pissed that LOAD/RELOAD sold 13 millions copies combined... and Mayhem sold 500 - all their albums combined!

And that KREATOR couldn't even sell out a club with a 500 people capacity!

Go figure...

Cheers!

COMMENT | However much I dislike the Black Album,
posted by : Kong Pikk
1/10/2006 1:39:35 PM

and pretty much everything that came after, I was pleased to see that there`s still a little bit of piss and venom running through the veins of these old thrash dinosaurs! Just like in that one scene where Lars is screaming "FUCK!" in James' face... that`s a good old fucking thrash metal moment right there :-)

COMMENT | Lars is right!
posted by : Kill The Morons
1/10/2006 1:40:50 PM

Metallica rocks!

THEY RULE!! AND YOU SUCK!

COMMENT | just an asshole complaining about a bigger asshole
posted by : SP420
1/10/2006 1:41:16 PM

but Lars does come to a great conclusion: Dave is a whiny little shit who can't get over the fact that Metallica kicked him out over two decades ago.

And to anyone who says Megadeth has been producing "good" music in the 90s needs a fucking smack in the head. Everything after Countdown is cookie cutter shit that gets worse with each progression. Hell, the shit coming from the 80s isn't even CLOSE to anything Metallica wrote in the 80s. Let Dave spite all he want; he'll never be as great as Metallica once was, no matter how hard he tries.

COMMENT | RE SP420
posted by : Earthlord
1/10/2006 1:45:54 PM

That cookie cutter shit is still better than the "lets go in every direction and not make any musical sense" last album was.

Early Metallica is better than early Megadeth (With Dave writing for Metallica)....I'll give you that.

But later Megadeth is better than later Metallica (With no Dave writing for them).

Smells fishy to me....

COMMENT |
posted by : Kong Pikk
1/10/2006 1:46:20 PM

Just wanting for Mustaine to comment on this now :-) Bring it on, bitches!

By the way: R.I.P. Metallica 1983-1989.
And Rust in Peace was, as you all should know, Megadeths last good album.

COMMENT | Risk and Load
posted by : Brain Dead
1/10/2006 1:47:17 PM

I liked both these albums. I took a step back, judged them on their merits and tried not to think of Rust in Peace or Master of Puppets.

Both these albums have something to offer, if you don't like the music on them, fine that's your opinion but if you just dismiss them as 'selling out' or being 'pussy' that's dumb.

COMMENT | both bands rock!!!
posted by : hatetofeel
1/10/2006 1:49:15 PM

METALLICA!!!

MEGADETH!!!

COMMENT | Lars
posted by : aggressive_perfector
1/10/2006 1:55:49 PM

"When he was speaking up and out, why did you just not get him on the phone and say, "Look, dude, what the fuck's the problem?" And why does that not happen? I mean, why could that not happen?"


BECAUSE HE'LL GET HIS ASSK KICKED!

COMMENT |
posted by : grynch1
1/10/2006 1:59:09 PM

Can't wait for the new Metallica record!

COMMENT | ...
posted by : patvalley
1/10/2006 2:01:37 PM

the fact is, Dave Mustaine needs to stop fucking bitching about Metallica. I love Megadeth but the guy needs to get a grip, it was over 20 years ago, he's had his own career, he needs to stop trying to bring up old irrelevant shit that nobody outside of the metal community gives two fucks about.

call Metallica sell-outs all you want but they are smart for seeing opportunities and capitalizing on them. instead of being "true" to the metal community (which often isn't too faithful to begin with), they opted to achieve much larger success.
hello people!! it's the music BUSINESS for a reason.
you don't pass up an opportunity to take a big spot in the mainstream. that's what Dave is bitter about.

I love Megadeth, but come on, act like a grown man and just let it go.

if you're talking about "talent", yeah, sales only do matter so much. but they matter more than you think. why did britney spears sell so much a few years ago? she had the image, the songs, and the promotion needed...

I sure as FUCK don't buy a CD based on "who has talent". that's retarded. if i enjoy the songs/performance/production then count me in...but I'm not a spectator of music, I'm a listener and a player...

COMMENT | Here are the facts
posted by : azagothoth78
1/10/2006 2:10:56 PM

Metallica havent been relevant in the "metal community" for well OVER a decade. They abandoned any resemblence to thier once greay heyday of metal musicianship. They WILL NEVER return to form and I mean NEVER.

Enjoy all thier great albums but for christs sakes FORGET ABOUT A RETURN TO FROM....It will not happen.


Dave and company have strayed off the metal path as well. There music now is about as close as they will ever get to returning to wht Megadeth used to be.

1. Both bands have guys in thier mid forties and I cant blame them for calming thier music. Its hard to write a Holy Wars or a RIde the lightning track when you have to take your little girl to ballet classes or a son to soccer practice. Both bands have mellowed they could write about animosity and anger but WHAT WOULD BE THERE INSPIRATION FOR THAT? All the cars, nice houses, children? GET OVER IT FANBOYS!

2. Dave has accomplished alot and he has proven to the world he is A BETTER MUSICIAN THAN ANYONE IN METALLICA HANDS DOWN! I havent bought the last two Megadeth albums because I think they just arent as relevant to me as they once were even though I absolutely worship Mustaines abilities.

3. The only reason either band still makes records isnt for the love of music, or for the art. Its for the fucking cash nothing more.

With SO MANY new bands and SO MUCH metal out there. How do these two bands retain iconography? Sure they both had powerful and some of the all time best metal records but those days are GONE!

COMMENT | dd64954
posted by : Dominic13
1/10/2006 2:12:47 PM

What is so Top 40 about Load/Reload you ask? They PLAYED songs (very loose use of the word) from those albums ON Top 40 radio. 'Hero Of The Day' or 'Fuel' anyone? Of course, this may have just occured in America and not in Europe, so I could see where you are confused. But, the fact that they can play the crap from these albums next to bands like 3 Doors Down and Matchbox 20 (both pathetic bands) shows you how watered down and dull the shit is. Mayhem certainly don't sell anything near what Metallica does, but that's because they do it for the love of the music (and the groupies!!) and not to get rich (though, I'm sure they wouldn't mind getting rich, but not selling records sure doesn't stop them from what they're doing). Metallica are THEE PERFECT example of selling out (with Megadeth not far behind). Both of these bands made heavy, crushing, straight from the tortured soul metal. Now they make fluffy, delicate, straight from the wallet bullshit.

COMMENT | Dave is the bigger man
posted by : vicc
1/10/2006 2:18:02 PM

After Dimebags death Mustaine tries to make peace with everyone and Lars complains. And here we have Lars trying to break any of that peace apart.

Lars is a total loser. They need Dave to help them produce their next album cause god knows Metallica has forgotten what metal is in the last decade.

Dave will be the bigger man and just ignore this little man.

COMMENT | Groaaaaargllll!!
posted by : monstershredding rules
1/10/2006 2:23:31 PM

Just say you wanna slay his pathetic ass to nothing more than a TAMA drumskin!! At least annoying Dave will com in handy!!

COMMENT |
posted by : suffersystem
1/10/2006 2:26:27 PM

Well, it's good to see atleast some people are thinking clearly and having some good points on this. Hate them or love them, each bands has written great fucking tunes, with Mustaine or without.

COMMENT | blah blah
posted by : LOWMAN
1/10/2006 2:27:03 PM

The debate as to who is better: Metallica or Megadeth could, and probably will, rage on well after both bands are dead and buried.. I personally dont think Metallica have put anything out worthy of the name since Justice.... but thats just my opinion. Megadeth continue to stay true and release average to good albums and overall get my vote.

BUT Megadeth have not yet released an unlistenable record which is im afraid to say what S**t Anger was... detuned guitars, repeated clunky riffs that long outstay their welcome and worst of all... no solos. . I listened to it a few times to give it a chance and its sat on the shelf ever since. Ok from a lyrical point of view it's obviously a personal album for James but thats no excuse for the musical direction and abysmal drum sound. It's an obvious attempt to appeal to the Nu metal fraternity and yet more evidence of the decline of a once mighty band. At least Mustaine is staying true and releasing the music he wants to, not the music that will get airtime on MTV. Metallica were once a GREAT band but they have sold out time and again in order to try and remain relevant. Metallica are now dead to me. I know i'll be buying the next Megadeth album on the day of release but i'll listen to the new Metallica effort before i part with my cash.

'just because i don't say it, don't mean i ain't thinking it.... next thing you know they'll take my thoughts away'

COMMENT | f##k Lars!
posted by : chrisj
1/10/2006 2:31:28 PM

So What! is a Metallica fanzine...not really objective is it?
Remember this shit all started (again) with that SKOM movie.
That 'talk' with Lars happend 2 days after sept 11 and on Dave Mustaine 40th birthday!
Of course thing were getting emotional!
They talked for 3 hours or so....Metallica movie: You can do the math.

Also remember that Metallica only had 4 original songs back in '81/82: 2 Written by James and 2 by Dave.....none by Lars!
And without the No Life Till Leather demo...no Kill Em All!
No recordings by Dave? The solo's Kirk plays on that album sound very familiar........

And to everybody who agrees with Lars: Kind a mind of your own!
Have you sold more then 20 mllion records and had a 20 year long musical career with 7 grammy nominations?
And let s not forget the Megadeth music! Some classic stuff!

You all should respect Dave Mustaine for the musical genius he is and for what he has acceived!

Where is Ron McGofney, where is Jason Newsted?


So to all you Lars-lovers: Go buy Peace Sells....But Who's Buying?

Then we'll talk again!

COMMENT | ^^^
posted by : darthadv
1/10/2006 2:36:48 PM

Yes, Dave extended that peace offering to all past and present, and got shit-talked on almost immediately by Kerry King. And notice that in the interview Lars puts down the entire 'metal community' for 'needing' the Dimebag tragedy to 'come together?' Hey Lars, ever heard of something positive coming out of a negative? Have you not seen how people have come together to help people in some of the bigger tragedies in our recent history (9/11, the tsunami in Indonesia, Hurricane Katrina)? Using Lars logic, one shouldn't participated in helping any of the victims of these tragic events. Or let bygones be bygones with old friends. Nice, Lars... nice.

COMMENT | Long in the tooth.....
posted by : armz00
1/10/2006 2:37:11 PM

Petty arguements, metallica knows what they did with "four horsesmen", was "mechanix" a coincidence?
If it was an issue, a cease order would have been appropriate.

Metallica as themselves, as people , as musicians, sans their publicity agents, what have you really done for your fans lately?

If you really considered where you came from Lars, you would be more personable and do more personable and do shit like hit up Joe from South coast drums for drum clinics and cool shit that would bring you back where you came from.

The people admire the kings who know from what they came from,
The ivory tower Metallica made for themselves is killing your credibility,only your arrogance and your money speak for you now.

Fuck this heavy-metal soap opera and take your past mistakes like a man and move on with things.

Be yourselves once again and not the spoils of your money-driven accomplishments!

COMMENT | hahaha
posted by : BLSDMF
1/10/2006 2:37:38 PM

both bands turned queer and soft and pussy and suck and ...................fuck them hard

COMMENT | what a fucking joke
posted by : guitar-zeus
1/10/2006 2:37:39 PM

Man...isn't this shit about a year and a half old already. Mustaine lasted whined almost 2 years ago about Metallica and it's still being brought up and everyone thinks it's new shit and jumping on the Megadeth bashing wagon again. Metallica's movie sucked, St Anger I smashed to bits with my hammer as it deserved, and Lars is the biggest whiner of them all. Fuck Metallica. James Hetfield is washed up, Larz plays (and sounds) like cookie monster, Trujillo needs to gig with Cantrell, and Kirk time to move on.

If this story repeats itself a year from now remember this day...it's nothing new.

COMMENT | Lars is stupid
posted by : Ken Hawk
1/10/2006 2:40:44 PM

I SAw LArs 69ing a dog behind aDel TAco in San Ddiego Ans d I knew it was him cause he was we4aring a haedband and tights liek he used to before Metasllica relaly got stupid

KEn HAwk

COMMENT | Dave was filmed crying in "Some Kind of Monster."
posted by : typeodude
1/10/2006 2:44:35 PM

There's nothing sadder than seeing a grown man cry. Except maybe a one-eyed bunny.

COMMENT | ^^^^^^^
posted by : suffersystem
1/10/2006 2:50:15 PM

I think you may be slightly misinformed on much of your points there big guy.

COMMENT | grynch1 and fuk_you_bush
posted by : nicalex
1/10/2006 2:54:26 PM

"Megadeth's songs are juvenile and not really all that complex. The lyrics are silly "hello me, meet the real me" - terrible!" - grynch1

How the hell did u get that? Oh were u one of the ones that bought condown to extinction and rate Megadeth from that album...wait no, sorry... i mean u just KNOW sweating bullets. I'm so sorry if ur arguments are full of shite, sorry i've got to learn to appreciate some of that stuff...wait a minute...i don't.

"LARS DRUMMING IN DYRES EVE SOUNDS LIKE PANS???(I CANT REMEMBER ANY DETH DRUMMER WHO CAN DRUM BETTER)" - fuk_you_bush

Wait a minute, when did Lars play better than Menza, DeGrasso etc? And didn't Lars like play out of time (did i REALLY say that oh no!) in thhat shitty MTV Icons thing they did, yeah i believe he did some shit bass pedalling there. Don't u find it funny that Lars has punch in his drum parts? If he was good enough he wouldn't need to do that!

KIRK'S SOLOS ON FADE TO BLACK, MASTER OF PUPPETS, ONE, AND OTHER SONGS ARE LAME......TELL ME ONE GUD SOLO WHICH DAVE HAS WRITTEN...GO LISTEN TO THE SOLO OF DYRES EVE AND TELL ME ITS LAME!

mmhmm excuse me, tis a shame you believe that mustaine is actually a fully fledged lead guitarist, but he isn't, fact. Thats why he has hired big guns like Friedman, Pitrelli and Poland, and not mentioning Drover (the mans gotta prove himself next album). Dave, if u've noticed, which u probably haven't.. no wait...u definitley haven't, is one of those people u call a rhythm guitarist, he plays all the chords and riffs and stuff, and may on many occasion play a solo.

"CHECK OUT DAVES SOLOS ON TSHF...AND ESSPECIALLY S AWESOME GUITAR SOLO ON DIE DEAD ENOUGH NAD OTHER SONGS OF RISK!" - fuk_you_bush

Wheres the solo on St.Anger eh? Wake up and smell the shit, cuz if u haven't ur nose must've been cut off in some accident.

Its amazing that you are all willing to believe something thats written in a METALLICA magazine and the fact that LARS is in the interview. How much dumb can u get, its so unbelievably biased! And why does Dave go on about this all the time, oh wait, no, u don't, cuz the fuckin media ask it him all the time. Lars is just trying to make Dave look like an ass, simple as, cuz Lars can't write any good tunes now, oh wait Lars could only ever make those commercial pop tunes that his band puts out, sorry...

And just to finish, I don't care how much this argumment is gonna go on but, the fact is i've listened to Metallica for years and likewise with Megadeth. I started out loving Metallica, thinking they were fucking awesome, now i don't cuz they come out with such drivel...

METALLICA suck ass now
MEGADETH fucking rule and always have and always will!

COMMENT |
posted by : kingcarl
1/10/2006 2:54:35 PM

Lars might be the biggest pussy I have ever heard. Funny how he forgot to mention Dave wrote songs on the first two albums. Fuck Metallica. They used to talk about never selling out, and they sold out harder then any band. At least Dave still puts out albums you can listen to. How about shutting the fuck up, and putting out a cd I don't throw out my car window before the first song is over. You guys put out some of the best music ever, and now all you do is put out shit music, and any other shitty thing (lunch boxes, dolls, toys, etc., etc.) to steal our money. Fuck you pussy.

COMMENT |
posted by : Phil777
1/10/2006 2:54:58 PM

What I can't believe is that this shit just keeps popping up again and again..give it a rest people.

FACT:

Megadeth - One of the "big four" of thrash metal ; albums "Peace Sells...But Who's Buying ?!" and "Rust in Peace" are technically amazing, with mindblowing guitar solos and some of the most melodic and complex riffs, steady drumwork, and great politically charged lyrics.

Dave Mustaine - One of the main pioneers of thrash/speed metal, highly talented musician who writes and plays the most complex guitar riffs while singing to them ("tornado of souls", "holy wars", "take no prisoners", "hangar 18"). Great songwriter who adresses society and the world's problems.
Known for his "unstable" temper, wild frenzies of kicking out his band members, and long 22 year grudge against Metallica and more notably Lars Ulrich, for firing him. Now, back in the 80's, Dave's pissed-off attitude, and the anger reflected in his music (album "Killing is My Business...And Business is Good!") was cool. Dave was an ass-kicker, not ass-kisser. Music fuelled by anger, that really emphasizes the power and speed of his musical style.

Now, in 2006, the whole grudge story seems blown out of proportion and irrelevant. No wonder Metallica fans think Dave is an immature asshole, but they seem to forget that this was a personal experience none of us can properly understand. That's right : this whole story and war of words is more of a PERSONAL thing rather than a competition between Metallica and Megadeth. Face it, Metallica came out the biggest, and rightly so, because their first four albums ("kill em' all" ," ride the lightning", "master of puppets" and "..and justice for all" )were excellent peices of heavy metal. Nonetheless, Megadeth also made its mark on the world. Why else would the band be asked to headline on all the world's biggest metal festivals ("gods of metal", "fury fest", "wacken" ) and why else would it obtain such excellent criticism from such high-caliber musicians as Scott Ian and Bruce Dickinson? Both bands are great, both had a period of musical instability ( Metallica- "Load", "Reload", "St. Anger" ; Megadeth - "Risk") but that has NOTHING to do with the fight between Lars and Dave. So please, please, stop with the "Metallica owns Megadeth!" or "fuck Metallica/Megadeth!!" comments; they have NO relevance to the subject on hand.

The musical talent of both metal bands is out of doubt. What really matters is the argument between Dave and Lars, and frankly, that concerns THEM, not US. I think it's annoying to keep reading about Dave bashing Lars, or vice versa. I just hope this thing soon ends, but that will never happen while people so pointlessly argue about which band is better or which of the two musicians is cooler. Either way, I'm assuming that all those who constantly bash Dave Mustaine or Lars Ulrich are aged between 12 and 16 years. Give it a rest guys, there's better things to do in life.

That's my story. I think I might just never post again on this subject, simply because I can predict how it just will keep surfacing up despite my and other people's efforts to stop it from happening.

Now, I'm off for a beer. :)

COMMENT | MONEY GOOD! INTEGRITY BAD!
posted by : Bezy
1/10/2006 2:55:41 PM

CAMP CHAOS

COMMENT | Whatever
posted by : rattlehead99
1/10/2006 3:01:26 PM

I think Dave is a very misunderstood individual. His mouth does get him in trouble from time to time. He can be obnoxious as holy hell. But Lars and Co. know that. They know the real Dave.
And I sure don't understand why this shit still makes news after all this time. So whatever.
I know I can't stand those guys in Metallica. And I can't stand any of their music since Justice.
Dave has always made good music. A couple albums came out sucking in the 90's.
And unlike Metallica, at least he can admit it when he's made a sucky album.
I heard too, alot of the Metallica shows the past couple years, they only play like 1 or 2 songs from their new albums. Why do you think that is? Cause they fucking suck!

COMMENT | Some say...
posted by : dd64954
1/10/2006 3:02:23 PM

that Metallica make music to get on the top 40, while bands on the top 40 say Metallica (and others) cannot get on the top 40 as their music is too obscure...

So my conclusion must be that the Top 40 came to Metallica... Metallica never made music to get on the top 40... if that was the case, they would have changed to Grunge in 1991 - they didn't!

Anyway... the top 40 is dominated by stupid RnB and POP music... I think we should be grateful if any kind of rock was to get on the top 40.

Thank you metallica for opening doors... that is what I say!

Suckers...

On another note (again): If both Metallica and Megadeth are not relevant in the metal community, then who is!?

I'm really curious, seriously! Could someone tell me who is relevant... and don't give me some obscure band you just happen to like!! Give me an example of a band that has or will have some relevance or importance in today's metal...

Thanks!

COMMENT |
posted by : Phil777
1/10/2006 3:02:28 PM

P.S : Forgot to add; Dave Mustaine wrote the song "Mechanix/The Four Horsemen" which appears on Metallica's first album "Kill Em' All" . Also, he allegedly wrote "Leper Messiah" on "Master of Puppets", although this is less well-known. Thus, Lars' argument that Dave never figured on a Metallica album and his constant attempt to undermine Mustaine's influence in the band isn't completely correct.

COMMENT | Megadeth/Metallica
posted by : placentaface
1/10/2006 3:03:01 PM

I don't think this debate will ever die. I agree with Southoftheabyss in saying Metallica won the 80s while Megadeth won the 90s/00s with the exception of 'Risk'.

RE: Selling records. That is not a fair way to compare the bands. Most 'Metallica fans' are "Enter Sandman" fans, not Metallica fans. They cannot name a single song from previous albums.

Megadeth's last 2 albums ("World Needs a Hero" & System Has Failed") are better than anything Metallica has created since "...and Justice for All". "St. Anger" was a joke, "Reload" was pathetic, "Load" was a decent hard rock album (not Metal), and the self-titled was garbage.

I'm sick of Lars' whining, Jaymz heroic battle with alcoholism, and the androgynous Kirk.

COMMENT | All the comments about who are the better songwriters...
posted by : typeodude
1/10/2006 3:06:20 PM

...and who can't write a song to save their lives are fucking ridiculous. Any two bands that can write songs like Disposable Heroes, Holy Wars, Battery, and Hangar 18 are a-ok in my book and have obviously proved their songwriting abilities. This obviously doesn't last forever as these two bands also wrote songs like The Memory Remains and Crush 'Em. No one stays great forever.

COMMENT | Wow, this has got to go in the blabbermouth record books
posted by : Bezy
1/10/2006 3:11:51 PM

as the article with the most replies ever!

COMMENT | thats lame
posted by : black_is_metal
1/10/2006 3:13:35 PM

if any of you tards believe that self serving shit you are retarded as lars is dave mustaine is a hugh asshole dont get me wrong but he only brings up his hatred of mettlica when mettelica talks about him and they didnt make dave mustaine, dave mustaine made himself by being talented and a good song writter and realizing when he has made terrible mistakes musically unlike mettalica that has not realized and btw st anger is the worst album ever made by any metal-nu metal-metalcore band

COMMENT | ^^^^^^
posted by : rattlehead99
1/10/2006 3:14:17 PM

Dude get a life...............

COMMENT | \m/greg\m/
posted by : rattlehead99
1/10/2006 3:16:39 PM

needs to get a life.
But I agree Megadeth make way better music than that other shit band metallica.

COMMENT | Say what you want...
posted by : webb88
1/10/2006 3:21:50 PM

...about Megadeth vs. Metallica, I dont like St. Anger, but I havent like any of the really recent Megadeth albums a whole lot other. But if you want to compare Risk vs Load...I'll take Load ANY DAY of the week. At least there were no parts of Load that sounded like dance music. There were parts of Risk that made me think WTF is this?

And one other thing, the Lars interview is from SEPTEMBER, so its not exactly news anymore. Its just that it got released online now.

COMMENT | Metallica Blows
posted by : podoshj
1/10/2006 3:25:53 PM

And I hope Lars dies a painful death.

COMMENT | Three cheers for \m/Greg\m/!!!!
posted by : Yngwie Cumstain
1/10/2006 3:27:21 PM

That has to be THE BEST comparison piece I have ever read and I listen to everything from Abba to ZZ Top - less Rap, Nashville Pop(what people call country these days) and anything on MTV.

Ps and I actully like Metallica's ...And justice and all before that.

Peace Sells is the best Megadeth album to me - "Black Friday" Kills every time I listen to it.

I would add that Megadeth's Nancy Sinatra homage detroys any Metallica after ...And Justice.

Metal Greg is "the Dude"

COMMENT | And to Greg...
posted by : webb88
1/10/2006 3:27:32 PM

I've read a lot of BS in my day, but that may be by far the biggest load of it. To say Puppets is a shit album is pretty much metal heresy. You are comparing to classic metal albums in a ridiculously biased manner. Even amongst the people here who hate Metallica, I doubt you'll find many willing to tear Puppets apart. But thanks for showing you dont know what the fuck you are talking about.

COMMENT | uhh
posted by : Earthlord
1/10/2006 3:27:46 PM

Quote:

mmhmm excuse me, tis a shame you believe that mustaine is actually a fully fledged lead guitarist, but he isn't, fact. Thats why he has hired big guns like Friedman, Pitrelli and Poland, and not mentioning Drover (the mans gotta prove himself next album). Dave, if u've noticed, which u probably haven't.. no wait...u definitley haven't, is one of those people u call a rhythm guitarist, he plays all the chords and riffs and stuff, and may on many occasion play a solo.

*****

This has to be the most inaccurate peice of information I have ever seen.

The guitar duels between Petrelli and Mustaine are simply jaw dropping on the live DVD (and let me remind you, there is only one live video album from Megadeth where as there are alot more from Metallica). There is not one single instance in the whole Metallica discography, be it Albums or DVD concerts where James has stepped up to do even 1/3 of what Mustaine does with a guitar on stage.

Dave is the band. Period. He is the only guy in there who keeps the band going and people love him for that.

Take James or Lars out of Metallica and you have a complete breakdown of a rock band. Some wold even argue Kirk but it's been disproved by showing off how useful he was on Saint Anger...blah....

Don't compare Dave's actions with a guitar to James or even Kirk, cause they aren't even close. I can just hear Kirk giving the crowed some "alone" time with his solos...Foot firmly on the pedal...and... get your hand on the whammy bar and...."Wahhhh nawwwww Wahhhh nawwwww Wahhhh nawwww" over and over....GOD. OVERRATED.

COMMENT | I'm surprised Cryptic Writings doesn't get bashed more often...
posted by : typeodude
1/10/2006 3:28:56 PM

...along with Risk. That album was incredibly shitty. And before you think I'm taking sides, I'm not. I think Metallica's 90's albums aren't very good either.

COMMENT | both of em suck balls
posted by : AlKeys
1/10/2006 3:29:02 PM

Lars and Dave are both 2 of the whiniest lamest dudes in metal.
What are they arguing about? who is whinier?

By the way Lars is a shitty drummer- I can't believe he had to hire a fuckin studio musician to do some of the parts on "And Justice for All" Lars Ulrich is to drums what Ozzy is to vocals-
Can anyone say SAMPLER??? or how bout Milli Vanilli????

COMMENT | This is a false thrah. Fuck this
posted by : Kirk_Hamlet
1/10/2006 3:39:53 PM

Metallica fans being opinionated and Megadeth fans being opinionated. No one's right. Nobody gives a fuck. I dont fucking care. I have faith in Megadeth. None in Metallica. But I dont care for this politics.

COMMENT | to metallica fans
posted by : AlKeys
1/10/2006 3:40:03 PM

by the way just so you assclowns know,

Here's some bay area trivia for ya:
Joe Satriani helped write all the solos on the first few Metallica albums anyway because Kirk Hammett was a student of Joes.
Metallica still had the training wheels on in the early 80s.
Metallica hasn't had a good album since Master of Puppets and when I say good I mean, for a Metallica album. They never were as good as say Iron Maiden- lets see Powerslave vs Ride the Lightning- I'll take Powerslave anyday.

Megadeth, they had some great guitar players, Dave sucks though and has a whiney singing voice.

COMMENT | nothing's changed...
posted by : nodeerforamonth
1/10/2006 3:44:37 PM

This is not news. Nor are any of these posters saying anything new.

All this was said 22 years ago! Everyone (the bands, the fans, YOU) need to get over this!

COMMENT |
posted by : MansonKiller
1/10/2006 4:03:06 PM

Band news guys. Megadeth is the better band. Even with failures like Risk and the World Needs a Hero, The System Has Failed is better than anything Metallica has put out since 1988. That's almost 20 years people. Even watered down Megadeth is better than anything Metallica can put out these days.

COMMENT |
posted by : cekhjh
1/10/2006 4:04:08 PM

"Did Metallica give dave credit for most of Kill em All and Ride the Lighting? and some songs on Master of Puppets? He may not of played on them by he had a hand in writing them."

That is the biggest load of shit I have ever heard! First of all, he credits were all co-writing credits, which means he did not write all of the music, just some of it. And those include 4 from kill em all, 2 from ride the lightning, and 0 from master of puppets. On what planet does a partial credit for 4 out of 10 songs, and 2 out of 8 songs qualify as "most of". You, and anyone else that supports this idea, are an idiot.

COMMENT | Yeah
posted by : Ken92081
1/10/2006 4:08:45 PM

They gave him credit for what he did, but then Dave says "Well I wrote other shit too blah blah blah" just fucking PATHETIC!

COMMENT |
posted by : cekhjh
1/10/2006 4:12:26 PM

"Joe Satriani helped write all the solos on the first few Metallica albums anyway because Kirk Hammett was a student of Joes."

HAHAHA You are a complete moron if you believe that. Don't act like you know a lot about the band, becasue you obviously don't. Kirk took lessons from satriani before he ever joined Metallica. Helped write all the solos?? So, did stephen king's high school english teacher help write all of his novels? Also, hammett's solos sound nothing like satriani. Hammett has more than developed his own style.

COMMENT | Dave was always a whiny pansy
posted by : MaskOfSanity
1/10/2006 4:18:36 PM

Total hypocrite.

Way to spend 22 years of your life whining about getting kicked out of Metallica and then banning people on your forums for whining about Glen Drover being a SHITTY GUITAR PLAYER. I bet it gives Dave a huge throbbin' one to kick people out of his forum.

COMMENT | Saying Master of Puppets is not a metal masterpiece...
posted by : typeodude
1/10/2006 4:24:26 PM

...is like saying feces tastes better than filet mignon. What's it like living on Bizarro world?

COMMENT | @ cekhjh
posted by : Munsters
1/10/2006 4:27:48 PM

"Also, hammett's solos sound nothing like satriani. Hammett has more than developed his own style".

Ha ha. Damn right. And his own style sucks too. The most horrid vibrato and pitch I ever heard. He's fast, I'll give him that but jeeez does he suck! Very over rated little man.

COMMENT | lars is a double talking dick
posted by : cracked-clavicle
1/10/2006 4:27:52 PM

preaching that is shouldn't take dimebag's death for metal community to unite, that is should have happened anyway.
Lars has slinged as much or more mud not only toward mustaine, but just about everyone. In fact, I can't recall him ever paying anybody any compliments, except for maybe banging his head to Avril LaVigne dissecrating "fuel" on Mtv tribute to metallica.

lars makes me sick.

COMMENT | Amazing.
posted by : Dekompoze
1/10/2006 4:29:35 PM

We hate to love, and love to hate STILL to this day. Publish anything about the Metallica/Megadeth feud...BAM!!! Watch the post #'s fly.

We all suck.

COMMENT |
posted by : LeperMessiah13
1/10/2006 4:32:23 PM

i dont know how many people have said this, but it seems dave isnt really getting credit where it is due. on the records that everyone seems to praise, dave had a great deal of writing on them. and truthfully, as much as i love both bands, i love mechanix more than four horsemen. ha

COMMENT | \m/Greg\m/ = Zzzzzzzz
posted by : death23
1/10/2006 4:36:18 PM

Your comparison really stinks. It's obvious that you're a megafan.

I think it's difficult to compare these two Thrash Metal masterpieces. I personally love both.

COMMENT | Big wods small person
posted by : richie
1/10/2006 4:39:22 PM

Lars should watch him self,a small guy like him should watch his mouth if he cant back it up with a fistfight.
Mustaine could fucking crush Lars if he wanted too.
Fucking Danish midget...SHUT UP!!!!

COMMENT | Maiden
posted by : redrumloa
1/10/2006 4:44:29 PM

"They never were as good as say Iron Maiden- lets see Powerslave vs Ride the Lightning- I'll take Powerslave anyday."

Oh hell yes! Maiden! \m/

COMMENT | Lars should just shut the F**K UP
posted by : PBBH
1/10/2006 5:08:25 PM

1st Steffan Chirazi is Lars right hand boy/yes man.
So this off the bat is wrong.
DO NOT FORGET IT WAS DAVES RIFF AND SHIT THAT MADE 1ST 2 lp COOL, and set the pace for this band...
Anyway...

COMMENT | LAST Post
posted by : Ken Hawk
1/10/2006 5:39:03 PM

Lick my butt

Ken Hawk

COMMENT | Both bands have sucked since the 90's
posted by : If I die tomorrow
1/10/2006 5:39:09 PM

I say get together and form a new kickass(METAL)band!

COMMENT | my opinion
posted by : heavy trevy
1/10/2006 5:42:16 PM

Not a fan of either one anymore, but.. when I listen to the radio, and one of their recent songs come on, I choose Dave. Seems he writes better "hard Rock" songs than Metallica does now. Neither one of them really "Thrash" like they use too.

COMMENT | Edit:
posted by : If I die tomorrow
1/10/2006 5:43:30 PM

I mean sucked since 1990-91

COMMENT | "metallica has always ruled while megadeth has always been mediocre at best."
posted by : je$u$
1/10/2006 5:46:04 PM

are you a fucken idiot, captainjapan.
i want you to explain yourself cause your wrong 100%

COMMENT | the both suck dick
posted by : deathbydave
1/10/2006 5:54:11 PM

who cares about either one of these fucks, there days are past them. metallica sold out so long ago and i wish they would just go away.
Fuck Lars he is a pussy!

COMMENT | metallica
posted by : Hockey5al
1/10/2006 5:56:34 PM

First off, blabbermouth found this exerpt and posted it. Metallica didn't send it to them because they were "starved for press" And atleast the metallica guys are grown up enough to not bitch about other bands. They always just let all that shit go and not retaliate. Lars barely "slammed" Dave. And Megadeth is an OK band.

COMMENT | En Gris
posted by : hellawaitsme
1/10/2006 5:58:14 PM

" The bus should have fell on Lars."


tooo fuckin funny...

COMMENT | Lar and Dave are both gay, so is Greg, that's the biggest pill of shit i've seen.
posted by : Metalthrall
1/10/2006 6:10:00 PM

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COMMENT | Lars has always been a dick
posted by : Brutal Judgement
1/10/2006 6:10:38 PM

Anyone who is behind Lars is a jackass. Not that i like Mustaine too much in the last 10 years,but Lars has ALWAYS been a jackass. He doesnt rock,always been a cocky little fuck. They should have given it up or started a different band for the bob rock disasters. Yeah they sell,so does britney and mariah carey,and to about the same people.

Megadeth has ALWAYS had better music,and a lot of the classic metallica is dave anyways. hell,Kirk copied every one of Mustaine old solos,how lame is that?

If Lars werent in Metallica it would be a 10Xs better band. he should go join Korn.

COMMENT | Mmmm
posted by : Defiler82
1/10/2006 6:13:04 PM

I'm officaly emotionaly divorced from this thread.

Metallica used to rule, and I'll buy the new record even if it will be an omelet inside a CD-box, just because it's Metallica, they always got at least one of those riff in an album that worth every penny - even in St. Anger - though the album - at whole sucks.

Megadeth - on the other hand - make a quick and brilliant comeback only because Dave can't disband Megadeth while Metallica's still around. He can't do it on a deep psychological level - it's like "Letting go from the meaning of life" for him or something, probably in very unaware subconsciousness or stuff like that - but Megadeth is probably fuled by how much Dave hates Metallica, in so many aspects. And I'm glad he is - cuz he found the ultimate way to make a rockstar career out of his envy. He sold millions of albums world wide just because he keep his greudge to metallica always fresh, even if it's 20 y/o - it makes a very good album concept, like TSHF or RIP or whatever.

Metallica will always be beyond his reach - and that what makes him produce such great albums. Keep on doing so - the real fans of Megadeth (like myslef) will always know Dave is a better songwriter, better guitarist and better composer, and today, truth be told, maybe even a better singer than James.

But Metallica still IS a better band. can't argue with the fucking facts :)

COMMENT |
posted by : Chale
1/10/2006 6:17:03 PM

I went to Amazon.com and a bunch of other websites to check reviews on the last Megadeth album, some months ago. It seemed that 80% of the reviews all consisted of people writting about how the album was so much better than St. Anger. While this is true, why feel the need to say it? It is as if Megadeth can only exsist in relation to Metallica, even in the minds of Megadeth fans, that is very pathetic.

You don't hear ANY other rock star bitch about a band that they were kicked out of more than two decades ago. Mustaine needs to grow up.

COMMENT | blackerdays
posted by : Brain Dead
1/10/2006 6:18:28 PM

If you're going to do such massive posts use more paragraphs coz too many words in a row makes me scared.

Overall Megadeth are better than Metallica for some reasons. I think a big reason why they were never as popular is coz of Daves voice which is somewhat of an acquired taste. I personally like it.

COMMENT |
posted by : Chale
1/10/2006 6:22:25 PM

This whole Metallica vs. Megadeth, which is better arguement is a waste of time. Both bands have pros and cons. At the end of the day, if someone did a poll, Metallica would win hands down because they sell to a much bigger audience (not saying that's right, Britney Spears sells albums too and she sucks).

Bottom line, it's a personal preference. I grew up on Puppets, Lightning, and Kill 'Em All so you won't convince me that Megadeth is a better band.

COMMENT |
posted by : jackcake
1/10/2006 6:23:15 PM

Megadeth at their worst is still better than Metallica's so-called best.

COMMENT | EVERYONE!
posted by : maxfoiler
1/10/2006 6:26:46 PM

LEARN HOW TO FUCKING SPELL!

COMMENT | EVERYONE!
posted by : Chale
1/10/2006 6:31:02 PM

TURN OFF YOUR CAPS LOCK!

COMMENT | Megadeth is Pepsi and Metallica is Coke
posted by : BLACK SABBATH RULES
1/10/2006 6:46:23 PM

By that I mean whatever Metallica does Megadeth copies. When The Black album came out with a more mainstream album Megadeth copied with Countdown To Extinction. When Metallica lost their Metal ways with Load Megadeth followed with Risk. It's like Coke and Pepsi because Coke is the original. When Coke comes out with Vanilla Coke Pepsi copies with Vanilla Pepsi, Coke with Lime is copied with Pepsi with Lime, etc. I was into Megadeth in the early days but they lost me after Rust In Peace. By the way the last album I liked from Metallica was ...And Justice for All. So basically both of these bands are washed up has beens who should both Fuck off!!!! LOL

COMMENT | Greg are you out of your mind?
posted by : HellPatrol
1/10/2006 6:49:41 PM

I like both bands, and I can understand that some people might prefer songs on RIP over MOP or vice versa, but to flat out say Damage Inc. is a bad song is unexcusable. IT IS A METAL CLASSIC. Even Kerry King who hates Metallica admits its great. By that statement alone your entire post lost all cred.

and IN MY OPINION, poison was the cure is not better than disposable heroes, give me a break

COMMENT | p.s.
posted by : BLACK SABBATH RULES
1/10/2006 6:49:51 PM

Slayer kicks the shit out of any Metallica or Megadeth!!!

COMMENT | Yes, Greg is an idiot.
posted by : S.O.B.
1/10/2006 6:57:59 PM

Just ignore what this loser has to say. Anything he says stems from muddled thinking.

COMMENT |
posted by : burns1059
1/10/2006 7:02:56 PM

'the heavy metal community must stand in unison,'

COMMENT | oh you idiots
posted by : baptizedintheredemption
1/10/2006 7:04:06 PM

dave mustaine co wrote 4 songs on kill'em all and 2 on ride the lightning, get your fuckin facts straight. You people are like the flu you make me sick

COMMENT | Dave's gonna be like this, as the same with Lars
posted by : coolripper
1/10/2006 7:08:06 PM

The press beats the hate outta Dave, and Lars just bashes him to make his "high" name. Sure the interview had some truth in it...but Lars, Dave could'nt call u in 9 months was cuz he was on tour, u cocksucking pedifile. For confirmation, check out Arsenal of Megadeth.

Lemme ask u guys this...can Metallica make a song like Hangar 18....can they make RIP or CTE? I'd never think so. Megadeth does'nt cry "wah wah" on the guitar like Kirk does, basically sucking the guitar's cock....that's not a song, y'know. Megadeth's musically far better, if u can't realise it, u're not into metal so quit writing abt 'em.

As for Dave, i still think he's gotten over this whole Met - Megadth thing.....1 cuz he's more into his band than ever now, 2. He's finally made his place in metal, he's at ease.....nobody's gonna diagree with me on that. He uses his hate to make better song....hence my title. Metallica only sold more records are cuz the music's for avg fans whereas Megadeth's for guys who actually play and understand music. There's a difference.

Why can't Lars say "What the fuck's the problem, dude?" according to the interview......y'know what; he is the problem. Making problems is the only thing he's good at, whiny fucking twit.

U know why Metallica sucks now.....it's Lars. He's like a girl, wanting everything and always getting along for his sole purposes. He handles the money in Metallica. Guess who makes the most of it. I realise now, it's never been for the band for him.

Y'know what Lars.....go fucking die

COMMENT | they both suck now
posted by : CHINA JOE
1/10/2006 7:21:46 PM

can we all just get along?

COMMENT | Coolripper
posted by : toliveistodie
1/10/2006 7:25:19 PM

you my friend, are an idiot

COMMENT | Coolripper
posted by : toliveistodie
1/10/2006 7:26:30 PM

Lars bashes Dave? that's quite the other way around. Dave couldn't call them cause he was on tour? I'm pretty sure he had enough time to give them a ring between concerts. And speaking of cocksucking, quit sucking Dave's dick.

Yes, and in fact, better. check out their first four albums. In fact, if you want to point out Hangar 18, let's also make the statement that Dave doesn't know when to start or finish a song. The riff at the beginning is longer than it needs to be, and hte pointless solos at the end are more of a "look at what i can do" instead of adding to the song. Megadeth has, and always has, tried to follow Metallica in it's footsteps. Every album seems to be something after Metallica (if you can't realize that, your not into metal). Dave has to reuse things from his Metallica days (which dont stand up to the Metallica version mind you). And honestly, every album by Metallica has been good, despite whether they're "metal" or not, unlike Megadeth. Two examples, Cryptic Writings and Risk

Actually, he still has talked shit about them, so that's not entirely true. as for "average fans", please, what a load of shit. So far everything you've written is pure crap.

No, Lars and the band did just fine, never spewed shit at anyone. Dave on the otherhand has problems with everyone else. Dave's been whining like a spoiled bitch for the last 22 years, and Lars and the gang have taken it like men. Again, your a dumbass.


Wow, he makes the most of it? wow, i would never have guessed, considering they all take in exactly the same amount of profit. Jeez, I wish i could state things without an ounce of proof to back it up. Again, your a dumbass, you should never post again, because you look like a fucking moron.

COMMENT | coolripper
posted by : Chale
1/10/2006 7:31:05 PM

I'm sorry but I need to agree with toliveistodie.

COMMENT |
posted by : Chale
1/10/2006 7:38:38 PM

It just blows my mind that people can't see Dave Mustaine's obsession with Metallica. Granted all the press that has come out with Dave's negative comments on Metallica all stem from the interviewer asking the right (or wrong) questions but let's face it, the guy came right out and said everything he needed to in 'Some Kind Of Monster'. If you haven't seen the film, I suggest it, even if you are a Metallica or Megadeth (or both) hater.

Mustaine says that he is not happy with his band being #2, he says that if he wishes it could still be James, Lars, Cliff, and himself in Metallica. Yet he still has the nerve to blame James and Lars and Cliff for not asking him to go into AA instead of sending him on a busride back to Cali.

The guy had a bad falling out with his old friends and he's now obsessed with being better than them. It's all there, in Dave Mustaine's own words.

COMMENT | Kull
posted by : toliveistodie
1/10/2006 7:40:30 PM

wow, that wasn't the least bit funny. If you find Dime's death worth joking about, good for you, but keep that stupid shit to yourself.

COMMENT |
posted by : burns1059
1/10/2006 7:43:03 PM

THE SYSTEM HAS FAILED > ST. ANGER

COMMENT |
posted by : burns1059
1/10/2006 7:43:37 PM

GOD HATES US ALL > THE SYSTEM HAS FAILED

COMMENT | blackerdays
posted by : Chale
1/10/2006 7:48:16 PM

Hey, Flemming was just Lar's drum tech! He didn't really "produce" the Justice album, he pushed the buttons. To say that they only reason Justice was a great album is because Flemming "made it great" is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Flemming has done nothing noteable before or after the Justice album. And Mustaine never wrote anything for the Puppets album either. Some of your facts are serious fucked up.

Both of these bands are beyond their prime and will never make another album like they did in the 80s. Don't suggestion for one minute that Dave Mustaine still has it in him, because he doesn't. Besides, the black album (as commercial as it was) was still a lot better than any Megadeth album since Youthanasia.

COMMENT | burns1059
posted by : Chale
1/10/2006 7:50:28 PM

MASTER OF PUPPETS OR RUST IN PEACE > ANYTHING SLAYER HAS EVER DONE

-let the Slayer stuff go man

COMMENT | toliveistodie is quite possibly the stupidest person i've ever heard
posted by : Doobman
1/10/2006 7:56:31 PM

Wow, I didn't think there were stupid people around... Oh wait nevermind, their Americans, lol.

Anyways, lets look at how shitty Metallica is: first of all, Hettfield is a moron who can't play guitar, have you actually seen those sad excuse for a metal band perform, it made me sick to my stomach. James as big of a stupid looking freak he is, watching him slide up and down the neck of the guitar without actually playing any notes takes no talent, and he should be shot for pretending to impersonating someone with talent. Now as for there so called "replacement" guitarist for Mustaine, they find a no talent bum, hmmm sounds about right for a pop-rock band right. Anyways, Hamett can only play what he's told and has no concept for writing his own music, and after all these years he can't come close to the solo's that Mustaine wrote on Kill em All.

Now for that little bitch Lars Ulrich. Well lets see hear, who was in the news for being a prick a few years back, could it be the whole Napster thing that Lars started. I heard more about that in a couple days then I've ever heard about Mustaine bitching about being kicked out of Metallica. You know why you hear so much about it, cause thats what those fucking repoters ask him about, so he tells them what they already know, thats why you hear about it.

Now Mustaine is a legend more then we can say about those punks in Metallica. When you guys are saying shit like Metallica is better then Megadeth, what exactly are you basing that on? it can't be that there better then Megadeth at writing, or more musically talented, or are more heavy metal then them. Like if your basing it on who sucks ass more, then yes, Metallica is better the Megadeth at that. So I'm also gonna assume that you haven't actually listened to any Megadeth ever, because everyone who actually has listened to Megadeth all agree that Metallica sucks in comparison and that Metallica is music meant for prepubescent girls. If you want to say that their better then Megadeth because they have more songs on the radio and have more money, yes they are, but Mustaine actually chose to keep from selling out and continuing to write crazy thrash metal, and I will always thank him for that.

So coolripper, you get my thumbs up its glad to see that not every person is a stupid asshole.

And one more thing before I go, why are you guys even arguing about this, I know I never met this toliveistodie, I kinda want to kick his ass, but on the other hand. there's really no point in talking about something that has absolutely no affect on your own trivial lives. Just let it go already and stop fighting with each other.

COMMENT |
posted by : Chale
1/10/2006 7:57:48 PM

What kind of world are we living in?

Why can't people type out fucking words anymore? How fucking lazy are we getting?

COMMENT | oops typo
posted by : Doobman
1/10/2006 8:03:06 PM

That should say James should be shot for pretending to be a person with talent.

COMMENT | Doobman
posted by : Chale
1/10/2006 8:03:46 PM

"there's really no point in talking about something that has absolutely no affect on your own trivial lives. Just let it go already and stop fighting with each other."

Huh? That was the last line of a long ass post, why did you post? I feel cheated for reading that post now! Dude, this is Metallica vs. Megadeth, what else are we going to talk about? It's either this or wait for a Foo Fighters story to get posted so we can talk about how much they suck.

"Wow, I didn't think there were stupid people around... Oh wait nevermind, their Americans, lol." What does that even mean? You've never heard of stupid people being around? Or you didn't think stupid people exist? Have you ever been to America?

COMMENT | Doobman
posted by : Chale
1/10/2006 8:04:36 PM

Yeah, that was the only typo you had.

COMMENT | ya, I've been to the states and it sucked ass
posted by : Doobman
1/10/2006 8:08:00 PM

Ya, you Americans are all stupid assholes, well at least the ones I've met are anyways. Everytime I go there I just can't wait to go home where things are normal and where our government isn't trying to take over other countries.

COMMENT |
posted by : gunnarcannibal
1/10/2006 8:12:38 PM

Well Dave kind of came up with Metallica's sound and Metallica are the ones who became icons because of it, that is what I think he is pissed about, but I really think he doesn't care anymore, Megadeth still sells more than Opeth and Opeth are like THE metal band right now. So in underground terms Megadeth are kings...Metallica is like U2 or the Stones now, that is just how it happened, whatever you know, I would rather be in Megadeth tribute band than have the job I currently have...hey, shit, are we still talking about this?

All I want is for Lars to listen to Opeth, Strapping Young Lad and Nevermore...that is it

COMMENT | Doobman
posted by : Chale
1/10/2006 8:12:41 PM

YOU Americans? I'm not American my friend, I just think calling ALL Americans stupid is no different then calling all black people stupid or all jewish people stupid and so on.

It's fucking ignorant.

And I don't think Americans can do much about their government. Freedom or not. And, to an American, I'm sure America is considered normal. It's all perspective. I'm guessing you have a narrow view?

COMMENT | To: Dave Mustaine
posted by : Edgecrusher_420
1/10/2006 8:20:29 PM

get over crap that happened over 2 decades ago and appreciate your fans that you have now! Also, fuck those grudges for your own good.

COMMENT |
posted by : burns1059
1/10/2006 8:24:44 PM

WHY WOULD I LET GO OF A BAND THAT STILL FUCKING ROCKS
GOD HATES US ALL IS MY 2ND FAV ALBUM FROM THEM
AFTER DECADE OF AGRESSION

COMMENT | burns1059
posted by : Chale
1/10/2006 8:28:51 PM

Slayer is the only band of the four big thrash bands that has stayed true to their story. For that, they kick ass. I'm just sick of seeing people typing Slayer's name in all CAPS when people are bitching over Metallica and Megadeth.

SLAYER SLAYER SLAYER, who cares.

COMMENT | FUCK LARS LIL Ass
posted by : Markiey from hell
1/10/2006 8:49:00 PM

Dave Mustaine Rules! Lars is a little punk ass bitch! Dave had problems but so did James .I can play 4 hrs a day .WHAT HAPPEND TO THE OLD JAMES HETFIELD? ALCOHOLICA? fuck metallica. Gigantour RULED! lARS IS A LITTLE DANISH DOUCHE BAG DAVE i WAS THERE ALONG WITH MEGADETH YOU JUST DONT KNOW ME mY FIRST SHOW WAS OZZY IN sT LOUIS IN 1986 BUT I seen more YOU rule fuck lARS

COMMENT |
posted by : burns1059
1/10/2006 8:55:25 PM

Slayer is the only band of the four big thrash bands that has stayed true to their story. For that, they kick ass.
THATS ALL

COMMENT | burns1059
posted by : Chale
1/10/2006 8:59:56 PM

Right, so now what? We're bitching over Metallica and Megadeth's little feud, what does Slayer have to do with that? Nothing. So why were they brought up? I have no fucking clue.

COMMENT |
posted by : burns1059
1/10/2006 9:17:39 PM

SLAYERS NEW SHIT IS BETTER THAN BOTH METALLICA AND MEGADETHS
I DONT WANNA START NO FIGHTS
IF I DID I TELL YOU WHICH ONE IS BETTER LOOKING THAN THE OTHER
............YEAH
LOL

COMMENT | Fuck Lars!
posted by : guitarkicksass
1/10/2006 9:21:17 PM

"I'm a little perplexed by his reaction"

1. whats to be perplexed? Dave was pissed that you used the footage without hit permission and only parts of the footage that made metallica look good. that's what Dave is pissed about and he has stated it in the press numerous times.

2. I love when Lars tries to sound smart with big words like "perplexed" anyone who saw Some Kind Of Monster or any other shit where Lars speaks then you know he sounds like a jackass whether you want to admit it or not.

On the album and it's release and Dave's Tenure with the band.

Megadeth's last album came out around the time that the bullshit with Some Kind Of Monster started. So naturally it would create press. Press that Metallica ended up creating by being dicks. It worked to Daves advantage yes but so what?

As for Dave being in the band for a year and some change, in that time he managed to write quite a bit of Metallica's early material. I mean I may be wrong but I think that may warrant some attention to his time with Metallica. It's not like he was Ron who had pretty much nothing to do any of the music. Not to mention that a band full of drunks kicked a drunk out right when they got a record deal. Bit shady and always has been. W/e the fuck about time and him not playing on the albums. His material is still on them.

It's mind boggling that ppl can see thru his bullshit (them screwing some one over for their gain) and read that Dave has music all over the first album and even the second? you're right Lars I'm "perplexed."

Finally on Dime.

History has shown that tragedy makes us wise up. 9/11 for instance. we thought we were unstoppable till that. Then Dime's death showed us what shit talking can do. Well Dave was the bigger man about it. Did Lars make any kind of montion to make amends or realize? Obvioulys Dime's death didn't wise him up or make him think. Hell if did he even care? or was metallica too big for dime? All I can say is Dave was the bigger man. And for Lars to shit on that thats pretty fucked. And so what he hasn't registered on the bloated ego radar? He'll register when his album out does your new one yet again. (thats right maybe sales weren't as good since anything with the word metallica sells millions but as an album i didnt hear one complaint about megadeths but metallicas became my number 1 drink coaster.

Lars is a dipshit end of story.

COMMENT | metallica??? megadeth?
posted by : astrocreep
1/10/2006 9:22:34 PM

slayer!!!

COMMENT |
posted by : Tokamana
1/10/2006 9:26:50 PM

lars is a bit of a cock head, that interviewer is just stiring shit up.

COMMENT | CHALE: YOUR PROOF
posted by : burns1059
1/10/2006 9:29:16 PM

COMMENT | metallica??? megadeth?
posted by : astrocreep
1/10/2006 9:22:34 PM


slayer!!!

COMMENT | 1ST POST!
posted by : burns1059
1/10/2006 9:31:03 PM

THIS THRED: MOST POSTS EVER

COMMENT | Yeah...
posted by : Earthlord
1/10/2006 9:32:04 PM

Metallica became more successful because of many reasons, but NOT because they are better musicians.

James has a much more radio friendly voice than Dave, just that alone should be enough. Not to mention that Megadeth's stuff is more complicated musically than Metallica's stuff which turns off any mainstream listener.

Metallica has many more raido friendly songs (hello Black Album) which will in turn have people check out the rest of their stuff.

More people attend Metallica concerts than Megadeth and buy more cds...it is no question who is more successful...

Every musician out there that Dave's got better chops than James or Kirk, but raido listeners don't.

COMMENT |
posted by : fightoficarus
1/10/2006 9:32:06 PM

"After Dimebags death Mustaine tries to make peace with everyone and Lars complains. And here we have Lars trying to break any of that peace apart.

Lars is a total loser. They need Dave to help them produce their next album cause god knows Metallica has forgotten what metal is in the last decade.

Dave will be the bigger man and just ignore this little man."

God you're a stupid fuck. Did your selective memory forget that Dave called Lars' mental shortly after his speech about how Dimebag touched him and the feud would end?

COMMENT | Lars is a cokehead
posted by : whiskeyblue
1/10/2006 9:34:37 PM

FACT: Come see Lars do COKE in the backroom of the Tosca in San Francisco-

All night long. Watch him be a dick.

LOSER

COMMENT | This is post 270
posted by : MetallicAvery
1/10/2006 9:51:42 PM

I love Metallica, but for the love of god, if you read this far, you read to far.

COMMENT | burns1059
posted by : Chale
1/10/2006 9:55:49 PM

Huh?

It's still stupid.

COMMENT | whiskeyblue
posted by : Chale
1/10/2006 10:06:35 PM

Nope, those were all opinions.







....that I may agree with.

COMMENT | your're not bignewsday??
posted by : whiskeyblue
1/10/2006 10:08:17 PM

Neato... Lars sucks. You put a lot of work into that post. get a life.
to easy

COMMENT | CHALE
posted by : whiskeyblue
1/10/2006 10:12:47 PM

Lars is a cokehead. Along with the fact that Sean Penn sometimes comes in with him. We reserve the fucking back room for them...for there privacy. To do coke. We clean up for them because we work there.

anyhow. Lars is a Dick......with a BIG "D" on his face. The dude sucks as a human being and he is a Hypocrite....I remember reading in past interviews about him talkig about being sober. Then you see him all gassed up in the back room.

idiot

FACT = Lars is a cokehead and Dick

COMMENT | blackerdays
posted by : Chale
1/10/2006 10:26:36 PM

Okay, let me re-word this: "To (PRESUME) that the only reason Justice was a great album is because Flemming "made it great" is the stupidest thing I've ever heard."

...And Justice For All was "Produced by Metallica WITH Flemming Rasmussen". As far as Flemming doing nothing more than "pushing buttons" this can be proven as fact by a number of books including "Justice For All: The Truth About Metallica", a somewhat negative-Metallica book that Metallica haters would love. The book even includes quotes from Flemming. Originally, Metallica hired Mike Clink (who produced Appetite For Destruction). Clink sat in the studio for months with Metallica recording the Justice album, then he was fired and Flemming was brought in my Lars.

When Metallica recorded the black album with Bob Rock, they had Flemming "waiting in the wings" to replace Bob Rock. Flemming was always the guy to fall back on. Also, listen to the demos of Justice and the black album, the songwriting really didn't change any at all. That would indicate to me that Bob Rock wasn't hired to come in and write a bunch of shitty radio friendly songs, instead -METALLICA wrote a bunch of shitty radio friendly songs just like Mustaine tried to do starting in the mid-90s (after Metallica mind you:).

I'm sorry, but they never played any Puppets songs before the tours following that album. How the hell did Dave Mustaine write songs for that album? I know a lot of people may be saying this, but look at who these people are: Megadeth lovers. I'm not saying that Hammet didn't copy a style, but to say that Dave Mustaine deserves a writing credit, to me, is beyond silly.

Also, when comparing Metallica and Megadeth I think everyone needs to ignore anything done in the 90s because all of those albums were pretty depressing to fans of the old stuff.

COMMENT | rah
posted by : MaDewVuSu
1/10/2006 10:37:27 PM

seriously, both need to shut the fuck up... Dave its 20+ years let it go and work on your music and Lars and rest of metallica work on your music with out bob rock... metallica has let fame go to their heads and have sacraficed music for that reason... The metal community needs to stop bitching an moaning and critizing others. its pathetic, grown adults acting like 5 year olds... Just give us another ...And Justice for All before your crap out an retire

R.I.P. Brother Dime

COMMENT | this shit is funny.
posted by : rattler
1/10/2006 10:43:14 PM

my post is bout 260 lol im sure it wont be read.metallica are big cause they got the crown of metal . which they dont deserve.
thier attitude and sound came from mustaine and burton. well i read alll those posts and its gotta be in lars craw mustaine is blowing his band away in popular opinion. some of megadeths music is just awesome. hands down better .fuck that rust in peace album is gotta be one of the best albums ever made imo

COMMENT |
posted by : Chale
1/10/2006 11:08:55 PM

Imagine if in two years this has 274,896 posts and finally after all that everyone on Blabbermouth comes to the decision that Megadeth is the greatest band on earth. Do you think that could happen? I don't think it's even worth it.

I'm out.

COMMENT |
posted by : slapmybeeotch
1/10/2006 11:09:56 PM

Most people need to ask a few questions. First, who is Metallica and who is Megadeth.
Metallica - James and Cliff, and leftover Mustaine
Megadeth- Mustaine

After Cliff died, James used up the last cool riffs and used them on AJFA. Then Bob Cock joined the band and the rest is history. Lars and Kirk can easily be replaced and the band will continue. Lets face it, other than lyrics, what has the other members since Cliff died, contributed? On record, James plays all the guitar parts except for the cheezy solos. Get rid of James and the band is DONE! Lars is nothing more than the band loudmouth. Notice the rest of the band really could care less and doesnt say much. I loved metallica for the years through the Black album, even though I hate it now. After the "We love our fans and please bootleg our shows! We'll even give cameras out to do so!" then to the "Sue our fans, they are stealing our music", I bailed. All their music has sucked since, in my opinion.

On the Megadeth side, Mustaine should be laughing all the way to the bank. For one, and no one has mensioned this, Mustaine is getting paid royalties for his contributions on those Metallica songs.
I would say, Fuck you Lars and by the way, you are late sending me my check!
Megadeth has always from day one, been a band that is Dave and whover else is in the band at the time. Dave has really never gotten off track. Megadeth has always been Megadeth from day one, and that cant be said for Metallica.

After the mudslinging is over, perhaps Dave and James would form a band together and do a REAL band!

COMMENT |
posted by : VIOLENCE
1/10/2006 11:49:07 PM

Lars and Mustaine need to have some long passionate make-up sex.




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COMMENT | Hmm...
posted by : Dirty Pirate
1/11/2006 12:10:07 AM

Now that is an idea Hetfield and Mustaine form a band. That would definatley be great. But who on bass and drums? I'm thinking Paul Bostoph or Dave Lombardo drums,bring Jason Newstead back for bass. Any takers on this? Other suggestions?

COMMENT |
posted by : death23
1/11/2006 12:13:01 AM

Lars is a dick, so is Dave.

Support real Metal, say NO to Selloutica and Megacrap.

This is the end. Good Night.

COMMENT |
posted by : Your_Opinion_War_Hurts
1/11/2006 12:28:14 AM

Both bands need to put a real metal album out.. while taking notice of there roots from when they first started.. End of fucking story...

COMMENT | Darn
posted by : knights08
1/11/2006 12:33:39 AM

You gotta kinda feel bad for Dave Mustaine. They just packed him up and told him to leave one day. They could have helped him out a litte, but I guess I don't know the whole story though. Maybe they did try to help him, or maybe they thought Dave sucked and they neeeded an excuse to kick him out. But you gotta feel bad, think how you would feel if you had to wake up everyday and think about what you could have been and know that you could have been in a worldwide famous, multi-millionare band. And Megadeth aint that bad, I like some of their songs.

COMMENT |
posted by : death23
1/11/2006 12:47:06 AM

It shouldn't be about money, but dignity.

COMMENT | ..
posted by : ThingThatShouldNotBe
1/11/2006 1:10:54 AM

Megadeth is now Megadave.

but I love both...especially Metallica. haha

COMMENT |
posted by : hurricane hugo
1/11/2006 2:05:47 AM

just want to

COMMENT |
posted by : hurricane hugo
1/11/2006 2:06:45 AM

get this thread

COMMENT |
posted by : hurricane hugo
1/11/2006 2:08:01 AM

past 300 posts.

blessed be.

COMMENT |
posted by : flickn
1/11/2006 2:25:59 AM

FUCKING A , like this watered down boring peice of shit thread needed 3000 posts , its funny how lars said dave always bashes tallica before his album drops to get publicity , but here comes lars ....bashing dave ....

godsmack FOUR april of 2006

COMMENT | LARS FUCKING RULES METAL!!!!
posted by : Some Kind of Monster
1/11/2006 2:28:23 AM

Lars is one of the most important metal musicians of all time, like him or hate him. He is a very skilled businessman and helped bring some very important changes to music. Dave Mustaine on the other hand is a jealous, whinging asshole who can't get over the fact that he was booted from Metallica. He should be happy enough with Megadeth and what he has achieved but it isn't enough for him. Now who is a greedy asshole?

What Lars said in that interview is the 100% truth. Dave needs to bury the hatchet and shut the fuck up.

COMMENT | Dave.. GET THE FUCK OVER IT!
posted by : Inflames1919
1/11/2006 3:57:52 AM

For fuck sake, Megadeth fanboys are worse than the ones Metallica have. Ok, we get the point you like Megadeth more than Metallica, but for fuck sake how blinded are you to see that your "almighty Mustaine" is a fucking fruitloop?? It was 23 years ago, he co-wrote 6 songs, never played on an album and was in the band for ONE year. Now im not bashing Megadeth here, Metallica and Megadeth are both great bands and STILL are great bands in my book. They both built their own careers, and they both put out awesome metal albums, but Dave is an insecure fucked up frontman. As far as the Metallica vs Megadeth thing, you cant even compare them. Metallica is far more successful, have written better albums than Megadeth and have a much larger fanbase. Bash whoever you want, they are both great bands.

COMMENT | hm
posted by : Gosho
1/11/2006 4:00:34 AM

Megadeth were, are and always be followers
Metallica were, are and always be leaders =>

Metallica>>>>>Megadeth

At least, Metallica doesn't make the music that the fans would like to listen. Thats the difference between Metallica and all other metal or rock bands. And now, this is the real art - no matter who will like it. I would say that all other super duper metal bands with mega solos and extra complicated riffs are gays because they always will lick the asses of their fans. That's why they will never make a success.

COMMENT | ^^^^
posted by : Some Kind of Monster
1/11/2006 4:43:19 AM

Metallica played Dyers Eve on their last tour you fucking douche bag hahahahaha

COMMENT | ^^^^^
posted by : CarcassRule
1/11/2006 4:58:57 AM

Yeah - they played Dyers Eve and it sucked basically. I have the DVD Bootleg of that show and boy did it suck. Perhaps thats why they left it alone all these years.

But then I also had the demo of Dyers Eve which was available many moons ago and I'd say theres no evidence of them needing to speed it up.

But Lards (sic), come on - is divorce your favourite word at the moment? Is that the trendy thing to do in your head?

Phil777 is totally correct - Mustaine contributed loads of riffs to the first two records, and has claimed to have written some of Leper Messiah, so i'd say he contributed to much of Metallicas success.

On the other hand, Dave being in Metallica contributed to Megadeths success - both by reputation and by giving him the detremination to succeed.

Shite - i'm even boring myself here. Post 300 plus ? whos going to read this? ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz

COMMENT | hahaha--metallica! what a joke!
posted by : LuciferSam
1/11/2006 5:03:35 AM

lars ulrich, you're a douchebag. a rich douchebag, but a nice stinky douche all the same. the trouble with you is that you've lost touch. you're all about flaunting your $$$ metallica $$$ brandname. yeah, it sells, so does britney spears. so what? don't mean it's good. so you're a rich little foreign douche bitch selling corporate packages of shit to teenagers under the metallica banner. yawn. i lost interest long ago. meanwhile, dave mustaine has just released one hell of an amazing record...yet again.

hmmm.... metallica releases whatever garbage they think they can sell which satisfies whatever current trend is hot with teenagers, while megadeth continues to stay true to its metal roots and releases great music time and time again. curious.

metallica gets all soft to the point of being pussies because they can't get along with each other [namely, your ego] and hires some top dollar head shrinker to get everyone happy again (and then SELLS IT BACK TO US--lol!--to pay for it) while dave does what? ....takes the opportunity to point out just how much of a douchebag you are? hell yeah! lol! fantastic! i love it. some friends of mine who are still totally in love with kill 'em all and whatever told me how funny it was to see you squirm because there was nothing you could do or say--why not bring up these three totally impressive points up on film then? took you this long to think of them did it? how does that documentary not embarrass you? metal bands don't hire head people to help them get along--they simply break up, which is what metallica should have done LONG ago (say before those loaded pieces of shit).

whatever. you're a douchebag and i'm laughing at you. call it a day already. dave owns you, bitch.

COMMENT | hm
posted by : Harry Bulsac
1/11/2006 6:57:39 AM

to quote

Megadeth were, are and always be followers
Metallica were, are and always be leaders =>

Metallica>>>>>Megadeth

At least, Metallica doesn't make the music that the fans would like to listen. Thats the difference between Metallica and all other metal or rock bands. And now, this is the real art - no matter who will like it. I would say that all other super duper metal bands with mega solos and extra complicated riffs are gays because they always will lick the asses of their fans. That's why they will never make a success.

to reply: fucking A-MEN MOTHER FUCKER!!!

and it does not matter what opinion any of you morons think of Lars, he is fucking right. Mustaine, get the fuck over it. People say Lars is a dick and all that but here was a perfect opportunity to slam Mustaine for all the shit he has said about him but he just tell it honest and respectful. How many "dicks" do that? none. Fuck off with the Lars bashing and get over it because you jealous fucks know hes a fucking class act.

COMMENT | FINAL POSt
posted by : Ken Hawk
1/11/2006 8:29:28 AM

Fact: 1988: LArs gets blown by a guy in a wig

Hen HAwk
http://kenhawkrun2thehills.ytmnd.com/

COMMENT | fuck you lars!!!
posted by : leadguitar1061
1/11/2006 11:45:20 AM

dave kicks ass!!! you (metallica) should put out a cd for everyone to download for free!!!

COMMENT |
posted by : death23
1/11/2006 3:05:51 PM

CONCLUSION :


DAVE AND LARS FUCKING SUCK !!!!!!!!!

COMMENT |
posted by : burns1059
1/11/2006 7:39:31 PM

FIRST POST

COMMENT | I hate Lars, but he's right
posted by : GAis2hot
1/11/2006 7:44:44 PM

Dave needs to get over it and never mention Metallica again and just move on, Megadeth is so much better then they ever were.

COMMENT |
posted by : Metalhead1409
1/11/2006 10:05:37 PM

You have to understand why Dave feels the way he does and acts the way he does towards the guys in Metallica. He was one of the original members and never really got a chance to be with Metallica. He pretty much wrote the "Kill em' All" album. And when the went from Frisco to New York to record there first album he woke up one moring to see his friend looking over him with a bus ticket back to Frisco. Sure Megadeth is one of the most awsome bands ever but they never really been on the same level as Metallica. I would probably be the same way as he does if something like that ever happened to me

COMMENT | Metalhead1409
posted by : Chale
1/11/2006 10:18:07 PM

'Hit The Lights' was written before Mustaine was in the band, or before there even really was a band. I don't think the rest of the album strayed too much from that song. I can't imagine he wrote the entire album. At the end of the day I think Megadeth will end with more integrity than Metallica, but don't give Dave Mustaine all the credit for those first three albums, or even the first one. That's going to far.

It was a bum deal what happened to Dave, but bands get kicked out of other bands all the time. He was an original member, but the guy complains louder than the fifth-fucking-Beatle! Give it a rest already.

COMMENT | blackerdays
posted by : Chale
1/11/2006 10:26:28 PM

I remember reading a Dave Mustaine interview when that stupid movie came out where he was bitching about the riff in Lepper Messiah, but he only said that it sounded like the type of "spider" riff that he would do. He never said that he actually wrote it.

I think it's smart of Mustaine to lead people to believe that the riffs on Lightning and Puppets could have been his, but then why were none of those riffs used on any of his albums that he was releasing in the same years? Killing came out in 85 and Peace came out in 86. I assume So What was being recording around the time that Puppets came out. Comparing the early Megadeth's to the early Metallicas is fun enough, just don't stretch the truth and I think a lot of people do that. Besides, in my opinion, Justice beat the first three albums (even without the friggin' bass).

Just as long as Mustaine doesn't do another 'Risk' and puts out something like the last one I'd be happy. The St Anger songs wasn't as embarrassing as the Loads, it just sounded shitty. If Metallica just made an album that *sounded* like a metal album I'll be satisfied.

It's always fun when these two bands bitch at each other.

COMMENT | Chale
posted by : Metallideth
1/11/2006 11:04:49 PM

Hit The Lights was mainly written by High Tanner, the mainman from the band Hetfield used to be in. Tanner was also responsible for No Remorse and Motorbreath. Ron and Cliff wrote Pulling Teeth. So really, the only song that Hetfield and Ulrich can really take responsibility for is Whiplash (admittedly an arse kicking song). That means they only one song out of 10 on Kill 'Em All. The credit for KEA can be mainly given to Mustaine AND Tanner.

People keep saying shit about Mechanix. Mustaine wrote that song BEFORE he joined Metallica. The only reason Hetfield and Ulrich's names appear on the credits is because they added the totally unnecessary slow section to the middle, and fucked around with the lyrics. I suspect this is probably the case with the other Mustaine-credited songs on KEA too. Hetfield and Ulrich, before KEA, were too musically-unexperienced to have written much on KEA. Their musical skills really only developed after Cliff joined the band and taught them more about music. That's why RTL is so different from KEA.

You said:

"why were none of those riffs used on any of his albums that he was releasing in the same years?"

That's simple. He didn't want to appear to be copying Metallica, who were getting bigger and bigger by 1985 and 1986. He didn't have the finances or the energy (he wanted to focus on writing new songs for Megadeth) to sue Metallica for stealing his songs. That's also why he took so long with Killing Is My Business (from his firing in 1983 to the album's release in 1985), because he had to focus on writing all-new songs. He was planning on recording the 4 songs on KEA for Killing Is My Business...untill he heard KEA.

Chale, you seem to be debating without resulting to petty insults, so I look forward to your reply.

COMMENT | Edit
posted by : Metallideth
1/11/2006 11:07:41 PM

I wrote:

"That means they only one song out of 10 on Kill 'Em All"

I meant:

"That means they only WROTE one song out of 10 on Kill 'Em All"

Oops!

COMMENT | Metallideth
posted by : Chale
1/11/2006 11:43:11 PM

When I said: "why were none of those riffs used on any of his albums that he was releasing in the same years?" I was refering to Ride The Lightning and Master Of Puppets, people are complaing that those were Mustaine's songs, even going so far to claim that songs on Master Of Puppets were his songs (or riffs) and I disagree.

As far as James and Lars' lack of song writing skills, its a fact that Lars (of all people) knew a bit about writing songs as he would hang out with Diamond Head a lot while they were recording and writing. This was before Metallica ever existed. Ever notice how 'Am I Evil' sounds WAY to much like a Metallica tune? What he lacked (and probably still does lack) in *creating* songs, he knew how to do the arrangements and to fuck with the dynamics of putting together riff tapes from both James and Dave (and Kirk). From what I've read, James and Lars would write songs by going through riff tapes and piecing things together, eventually writing demos based on these songs.

'Motorbreath' was definately a Mustaine tune. In fact listen to 'FFF' on the Cryptic Writings album, it's the only reason for owning that album.

Is it possible that Dave Mustaine left riff tapes behind that Lars and James stole from? Yes. Is it possible for all of us to know any of this (much less what songs or riffs) for sure? No, only three people know the answer to that. Mustaine was an original member of the band, so obviously he had a lot of song writing input on the first album. The albums that followed it featured some damn good riffs from Hetfield and Kirk Hammet, so I can't believe that Dave Mustaine is responsible for every great riff that Metallica had on the first album.

I'm an honest to god fan of both bands, and I honestly don't think that any of the Megadeth albums can hold up to Ride The Lightning or Master Of Puppets. Considering that the Justice album was also great, I can't imagine that Dave Mustaine had anything at all to do with the writing of those songs. So, in my humble opinion, I don't think that the reason the first four Metallica albums being great was because of Dave Mustaine.

I brought up the 'Hit The Lights' song as a way of pointing out that Dave Mustaine didn't write *everything* on Kill 'Em All. 'Hit The Lights' was originally written by the band Phantom Lord which later turned into a glam band named Leather Charm (sellouts?), which later broke up and became Metallica with Lars and Dave. The song was writen by all three members: Hetfield, Tanner, and also Ron McGovney.

Speaking of Ron McGovney, that guy had it a hell of a lot worse than Dave Mustaine ever did. He wasn't fired the way Dave was, but he was driven so insane that he eventually quit (of course, the writing was on the wall with Cliff by that point anyway). Part of this involves Dave Mustaine pouring beer into the pickups of his brand new bass, among other things. Nobody mentions the fact that McGovney use to claim that he originally wrote 'Pulling Teeth' (which has got to be a joke).

"Chale, you seem to be debating without resulting to petty insults, so I look forward to your reply."

Thank you! I enjoy actually have a conversation with people online, it is a very rare thing especially on Blabbermouth.

COMMENT |
posted by : Chale
1/11/2006 11:43:48 PM

Jesus, I can't believe I wrote that much.

COMMENT |
posted by : Kerry's Husband
1/12/2006 12:33:37 AM

LARS ULRICH IS GAY
LARS ULRICH IS GAY
I HOPE HE DIES
I HOPE HE GETS TESTICULAR CANCER
I HOPE A CRAZY WHITE MAN MAKES HIM EAT THE CURB
AND STOMPS HIS HEAD IN
LARS ULRICH IS GAY
LARS ULRICH IS GAY
I HOPE HE DIES
I HOPE HE GETS TESTICULAR CANCER
I HOPE A CRAZY WHITE MAN MAKES HIM EAT THE CURB
AND STOMPS HIS HEAD IN
LARS ULRICH IS GAY
LARS ULRICH IS GAY
I HOPE HE DIES
I HOPE HE GETS TESTICULAR CANCER
I HOPE A CRAZY WHITE MAN MAKES HIM EAT THE CURB
AND STOMPS HIS HEAD IN
LARS ULRICH IS GAY
LARS ULRICH IS GAY
I HOPE HE DIES
I HOPE HE GETS TESTICULAR CANCER
I HOPE A CRAZY WHITE MAN MAKES HIM EAT THE CURB
AND STOMPS HIS HEAD IN

COMMENT | Dave....
posted by : ChrisASchrader
1/12/2006 8:04:22 PM

CO-WROTE! He didn't WRITE jack shit of METALLICA's workings.

Big Difference,everything Dave contributed to is there because Lars and James had a hand doing what they could to contribute writing the material. If anyone would know Metallica or Dave Mustaine's deal it's the folks who were there. I think Countdown was Megadeth's last GOOD album,anyway that was how many years ago? 14?

I mean Metallica's released LOAD which was a good album but NOT the greatness Metallica should be releasing. Reload which rates the same. St.Anger was a dissapointment but it still rates better than any recent Megadeth.

The System Has failed was just that: A FAILURE.

It sucked and to think people still think Dave WROTE the songs upon reading what Lars had to say is a complete and utter MORON. Anyone that would know when Dave was hired and fired from Metaliica would be the guys that started the deal: James and Lars.

They will of course speak bias of there band and do you expect any different? Would you play in a band and call someone else better or the guy that wrote the material eventhough YOU KNOW you had a hand in putting it on the album as well?

COMMENT | ^^
posted by : ChrisASchrader
1/12/2006 9:06:55 PM

Actually Moron,Lars FINALLY responded to Dave's bitching and moaning of last year and made some VERY valid points if you read the whole thing. Lars didn't stir anything other than finally deciding to answer questions related to past things Dave has said. So,how's that stirring shit. Lars does his fair share of shit talking but look through the archives. How many times have you read Dave Mustaine slams Metallica or something to that effect as opposed to Lars Ulrich,James Hetfield or even Kirk Hammett bashing Dave Mustaine. I mean if anyone has right to bash Dave it is Kirk as Dave did say some rather uncalled for shit about Kirk in regards to a comment Kirk "stealing" Dave's GF.

So,choke on that.

COMMENT |
posted by : Chale
1/12/2006 9:55:30 PM

It just seems to me that Megadeth fans do not have the ability to talk about Megadeth without bringing up Metallica, and at times it seems that Dave Mustaine has this same problem. It's as if Megadeth can only exist in relation to Metallica, and that's a shame.

I think in the 80s Megadeth was better than most metal bands that were out there. I just wish people could get over the Megadeth/Metallica thing.

COMMENT |
posted by : Triple X
1/13/2006 4:50:10 AM

#1: There is no possibility of argument on the songs which Mustaine is co-credited in the liner notes of Kill 'Em All, Ride the Lightning and Call of Kutulu on Master of Puppets. The confusion here is to how much was his contribution and how much was Hetfield/Ulrich/Burton. Leper Messiah was not written by Mustaine. Dave claims that he invented or pioneered the use of the "spider riff" style used in songs like Leper Messiah and that he feels ripped off in that he could not use the songs and riffs he wrote (some of his best material) and that his former band which he left on such bad terms used them first.

#2: Kirk Hammett, by the way, did not contribute just about anything to the writing process, ever. He wasn't allowed to. The first album in which he can truly be credited with about any writing other than solos is I believe Load. Note that his Kill 'Em All solos are extremely um "similar" to Mustaine's original "No Life Till Leather" solos. Hammett was asked to join because he was a tight lead player (Mustaine, while prodigious, was often sloppy as you can hear in demo/bootlegs) and they needed someone who could record what Mustaine had written in the studio.

#3: The guys in Metallica were young, dumb and immature. You have to look at the history through this perspective. Metallica evolved into a thrash monster only through its glam roots. Even the name that Lars stole, if you think about it, is a good "glam band" name. These guys were tough like Leatherwolf was tough. The problem is that like Michael Jackson claims his childhood was stolen, they have been isolated through their monumental success from the real world outside for so long that they are quite out of touch and in some cases such as that of Lars, never got over their childishness. When do people who sell 80 million+ albums get to experience the real world? Dave Mustaine has at least, through his addiction and fall from popularity been able to get some roots-level perspective at his fingertips if he chooses to take it. He has had plenty of opportunity to hear what Metal sounds like now: Nevermore and Fear Factory were on Gigantour so he can't claim not to be up to date now. Where does Lars get his inspiration? Oasis? The Strokes? Oh hail thee, gods of thrash. James Hetfield? Apparently spent too much time at Roy Rogers in the 80's, now stuck trying to be a cowboy. Attention country music fans: You're gay.

#4: Does it matter that Dave Mustaine was only in Metallica for "a year"? He did more for that band than Kirk Hammett or Jason Newsted did in more than 15! As far as what contributed to their success on a songwriting level, it falls to Mustaine for writing abstract and frenetic music, Cliff Burton for incorporating theory and classic rock influences, Lars Ulrich for his NWOBHM influence and skill in organizing songs (and "borrowing" them from other bands) and James Hetfield for having a definitive rhythm style which eventually set his band apart from its original influences. This is a case where none of the parts are equal to the whole. The real question is, and this is what he's asked himself as wel... Musically, where would Metallica be if Dave Mustaine had got his act half-together and not been kicked out?

#5: I bet most of you, even those of you who know the lyrics to the original version of "The Four Horsemen," "The Mechanix" are unfamiliar with the original glam lyrics to "Jump In the Fire" as heard on the often hilarious demo "No Life Till Leather" where Hetfield first tried to sing. (He should have learned that actually singing didn't work for him way back then.) Here, I'll post the lyrics for your viewing pleasure. Go download "No Life..." from your local illegal downloading service (Fuck you, Lars) and sing along:

Jump In the Fire

Sitting in my room with my head in my hands
I just can't seem to move
I gotta get up, get out, get high
Get back in the groove

There's a job to be done, and I'm the one
You people chose to do it
Now I tighten my belt, I'm sure you all felt
It's time to get to it

So come on, jump in the fire
So come on, jump in the fire

Movin my hips in a circular way
Push forward a bit
Pull your body to my waist
Feel how good it fits

There's a job to be done, and I'm the one
You people chose to do it
Now I take off my pants, a 2nd chance to get down
So lets get down to it

So come on, jump in the fire
So come on, jump in the fire

Sitting in my room with my head in my hands
Just can't seem to move
I gotta get up, get out, get high
Get back in the groove

There's a job to be done, and I'm the one
You people chose to do it
Now I tighten my belt, I'm sure you all felt
It's time to get movin to it

So come on, jump in the fire
So come on, jump in the fire

Come on, jump in, yeah!


Don't these lyrics just scream "maturity" and "world's largest thrash Metal band" to you?

COMMENT | Metallideth
posted by : ChrisASchrader
1/13/2006 7:10:15 AM

And telling someone who hardly knows you "What do I taste like" as Dave did Kirk isn't talking shit?

Everyone goes into this big argument: Oh Dave did this! Dave did that! How many others were there besides James and Lars to witness what happened? Even Ron McGovney who also left the band shortly before Kill Em' All to be replaced by Cliff Burton has said that Dave didn't WRITE anything by himself and had assistance by both James and Lars.

Metallica EXPLAINED why they had the part they did in the movie,the directors GOT approval from Dave Mustaine to do it and have ALL BUT SAID SO offiicially themselves. Dave has been opening his mouth way before SKOM ever came to be.

He needed a way to breathe fresh life into a long dead AND desevedly so sales numbers for Megadeth and used Metallica bashing as a way to do it since as we've seen here it's the "cool" thing to do. He went from one week saying how he'd never work with Metallica to saying he wanted to extend the olive branch to them and call TRUCE! Metallica had SAID nothing ILL of Dave to begin with. If you watch the movie it shows Dave in a no weaker light than it would show James or Lars. Now Deny that? Deny Dave did a complete 360 within A WEEK!

Even during his bitching process initially which started in early 2004 when the movie was just about ready for theatres James and Lars thought it'd be wise to sit and chat with him. Find an Episode of McEnroe. Both CLEARLY state they want to sit and chat with Dave to discuss his grievances MAN TO MAN.

Did Dave do it! No. He just cried,pissed and moaned like a baby instead of acting like an adult he used insults to try and get his way.

When 20 something and "dumb" insulting others might be cool but when you're 40 something and do it you sound like a complete JACKASS and doing it negates all pity for you regardless of the situation,so don't sit and bash me for a fact that is WELL documented.

COMMENT | And...
posted by : ChrisASchrader
1/13/2006 5:25:04 PM

Gearhead,what's good Metal to you? 5 straight snoozing albums by Megadeth. I've heard everything by both bands and I know Metallica's recent stuff ain't as heavy but goddamn atleast they've always been man enough to change with every album and have admitted to not sticking in one spot too long? Since when was Dave the real piooner and guy that built Metallica from the ground up? I ask this because you seem to think anything since Countdown has been good Megadeth. Maybe I should remind you Metallica released 6 of the 8 songs on RTL without Dave's input at all and 6 of the 10 on Kill Em' All album. Dave was hardly a factor at all in the majority of the workings. He's helped Co-Wrote 6 of the 18 songs on the two albums total and thats less than 20%. They should hardly be kicking themselves in the ass for it,kicking him out had 0 to do with his talent. It was more of him being a violent obnoxious drunk and fighting with Lars and James who FOUNDED metallica.

Even Lars and James have said they were at fault for some of the fights that happened but both and Dave even when he was not feuding with Metallica (pre-SKOM) has said that both James and Lars were laid back and kept to themselves but would fight when something happened. All I can tell you is this: When you go off to work and thats assuming someone of your apparently low level of intelligence is old enough to do so Are you allowed to pick fights with your co-workers and physically assault them because you think you are justified in doing so? I mean atleast where I come from and probably where most come from when you fight with your boss NO MATTER if you are justified it is common knowledge the job you make either very little to possibly a very lot is terminated and you're not given much of a chance and Dave broke the rules,He wasn't pleasant to be around and let me ask you this? Where was Kill Em' All recorded?

Answer: Rochester New York

Which my friend happens to be where I am from and MONTHS before Metallica went into the studio they met with the very same people that were to help them along in the process at a bar here back before Dave got canned from the band. They all had a few drinks but from what I was told by some of these very same people that live here to this day the one guy that stuck out was a red headed 20 something named Dave (Mustaine) who was very loud and obnoxious and argumentative with these very same folks and finally one spoke out and said "Ok,heres what happens now,either get this guy to shut up or find somewhere else to record,we don't want him in OUR studio acting like this" I can remember from what I was told that this place the meeting took lace was a now closed Mexican Restaurant called the Broken Shell.

A few short months later Dave had an altercation with James after James kicked his dog that had BIT James ontop of several other instances where Dave was involved in other potentially serious situations where he not only put himself in danger but everyone,the straw that broke the camels back was a still unexplained incident on the band tour bus where after a few days James and Lars finally told Dave....."We got a new guitarist,you're out of the band" It wasn't a real easily made decision but after seeing Exodus they were really impressed with who we now know is Kirk Hammet.

The rest in that story is history and the album we know as Kill Em' All is what resulted.

Now,take a hike asshole. You're idiocy has astounded me and yet again I'm REALLY impressed that the clientele that post here gets DUMBER and DUMBER and I mean no offense to the intelligent posters rather it be pro-metallica or anti-metallica I do admit some of you (Kull,Kunt) are pretty intelligent in your discussions whilst they might be a bit extreme none seem to be as assanine and combative as this proven asshole.

COMMENT | Triple X
posted by : Chale
1/13/2006 9:47:44 PM

#1) Actually 'Call of Kutulu' is not on Master Of Puppets.

#2) Kurt Hammet, Jason Newsted, AND Cliff Burton (from what I've read) didn't contribute directly to the writing of songs. But Hammet did more than just contribute solos. James and Lars pieced the demos of the songs together by using Kirk and James' riff tapes.

#3) I agree! Dave Mustaine *right now* is light years ahead of Metallica in terms of respecting metal. Metallica has enough power to tour with a band and give that band instant success. But rather than tour with great (young) bands, they tour with typical radio bands, I'm sure as a result of the record companies recommendations (just my guess). BUT, don't ignore the fact that Mustaine put out some pretty horrible records the same time Metallica was. I hope you don't consider Cryptic Writings or Risk good metal albums. 'The System..' was the best Megadeth album in over a decade.

#4) This entire Metallica/Megadeth debate seems to boil straight down to what influence Mustaine had on the early albums. This is only my opinion, but I think the best Metallica albums were 'Puppets' and 'Justice' and those are two albums Mustaine had nothing to do with. In the early 90s Metallica made the smart business move and went commerical. Megadeth attempted this and failed.

Regardless of whether or not Mustaine listens to "good" metal compared to James/Lars, he got old. That happens to all rock stars and I can't imagine that Mustaine is going to release a classic metal album that would remind us of the glory days, without sounding too fake or forced.

I think if Mustaine had stuck with Metallica it would have been good for him in the long run, but I don't think it would have made Metallica more successful. At best we might have had one or two more good metal albums, before they lost their steam. No band can release great albums for 20+ years.

#5) All rock stars are full of shit, the guys in Pantera use to wear makeup! At the first Metallica show ever, James took the stage wearing leopard skin tights. It's a little known fact that James was so insecure as a singer that he and Lars were trying to recruit John Bush from Armored Saint to be the front man for the band, supposedly just as hard as they tried to (and did) recruit Burton from Trauma.

COMMENT | Metallideth
posted by : Chale
1/13/2006 9:56:02 PM

It seems like I meet more Megadeth fans that hate Metallica than Metallica fans that hate Megadeth. It just seems that you can't have *any* Megadeth discussion without bringing up Metallica, it's sad. Go to Amazon.com and read user reviews for the new Megadeth album. Everybody bitches about Metallica in those reviews, it's sad.

I think both bands were great, I'm an equal fan of both. It just annoys me to no end when people attempt to give all the credit for the first four Metallica albums to Dave Mustaine; it just seems asinine to me.

COMMENT | It is...
posted by : ChrisASchrader
1/14/2006 12:58:20 AM

It's ridiculous to give Dave sole credit for anything on the first two albums. I mean ANYTHING.

Sure,he helped the writing process of 6 of Metallica's first 18 songs released to CD and they've given him credits on the liner notes for those songs but that's far from the issue. Someone like Lars who WAS there and Ron McGovney who was there for the majority of Dave's time with Metallica and even insiders for both bands plus alot of local folks here that I talk with pretty much daily have said the boys knew then that Dave had talent but he let his ego and his drunken behavior get the best of him and in the end it finally came to a point where the record executives here told Metallica

"find someone to replace this guy,we don't care how good he is but he can't be around. He's a liability and brings nothing more than trouble to the band as far as we're concerned"

I don't know exactly how close they were to losing what was then Music America studio here in Rochester as the recording studio for Kill Em' All but had Dave been civil during these meetings they had MONTHS before Kirk was even a thought in James and Lars' mind maybe Metallica's career would've taken a different turn. I know a few of the engineers and other folks that worked there at the time have moved away from area there are also a few that have stayed and some that unfortunately have passed away but the fact remains that the only thing that kept Dave from being involved with the recording process of the album that came to be "Kill Em' All" was Dave Mustaine himself. He acted like a pompous assclown in front of ALOT of very important people as far as the recording process of the album drew near and final preparations. Originally Metallica was supposed to begin recording Kill Em' All in early April and be finished by Mid-May (It finished May 27th 1983,my birthday) and was released in July of that year but because Dave's behavior they decided to can him this stemming not just from that one incident at the Broken Shell but the incidents on the tour bus,Dave's house (which was admittingly partially James' fault as well) but egged on by Dave who punched James for it,numerous backstage fits before the recording process was initially planned and a dozen other incidents that led to Dave's downfall.

End of that.

1) Is\Was Dave a good song writer? Yes,on both counts,was he entirely responsible for Metallica's success on Kill Em' All or RTL for the tracks he contributed to? No.

2) Could a Metallica-Megadeth Tour happen now? Even as much as Lars might deny it I think James,Lars and Dave would definately want to do it. Kirk may not be willing to do it but then again with the stuff Dave has said about Kirk I don't know if I would blame him.

3) Are both bands capable (Metallica and Megadeth) of releasing better material than they have?

Definately Yes,but with the numerous changes to the Megadeth lineup and alot of shitty albums and Dave's bouts with Drugs and other personal issues It's probably best to conclude that Dave Mustaine has put that dog to sleep and it's no longer capable of biting like it once did.

Metallica,on the other hand has always changed musically and gone with what they thought was good. Rather or not the metal community as far as musicians go like it or not didn't bother them and yet they continue to make ballsy business decisions and continue to evolve,maybe not the eyes of the Metal Community as far as the elitists go but Metallica does continue to prosper where not many metal musicians did before them: The Bank and the Live Show.

It's safe to say they've had a slight slope from where they once were as far as live shows but that comes with age,James can't belt out the early shit like he once did and the same goes for Dave Mustaine as far as Megadeth is concerned.

What people truly need to analyze is what went wrong? How did Megadeth go from selling out football fields (soccer stadiums if you're in Europe) to barely being able to fill a midsized club.

People might say "Oh,that's not important" and I ask them: Why don't you start a career given the plate Dave was given when the Megadeth franchise came to be and played stadiums almost right off the bat and now be luky to fill a mid-sized club today either way you slice it your pride would take a massive beating knowing you can't do what you once did and the band that you co-wrote songs for when they got off the ground and fired you for your own drunken stupidity is still able to pull it off. 20+ and your actions still have consequences. Be that as it may Megadeth released some good material but me as both an artist (musical) and a fan feel Megadeth could release much better and as I've stated recently so can Metallica but they're not the ones having trouble doing the deed when you really need to be on your top game and thats on stage,while a really great record wouldn't hurt either at Metallica's stage of the game it's certainly not gonna hurt Megadeth either but given the deep depression they're in sales wise it's safe to say as far as market and live wise they'll never again play with bands the level Metallica is againa dn as a result is off Metallica's radar. Megadeth as a selling machine is dead and was killed by Dave Mustaines own arrogance. Had Dave not been such a jackass when boozing and some of the time when not and probably during these last few years we might've seen Megadeth open for Metallica and slowly build back the power that Megadeth once had. Dave may not like the idea of opening but he's no fool when it comes to the business at hand,he is ignorant at times but does know what needs to be done to repair the Megadeth machine but now is the appropriate time to do it so just maybe the Megadeth name can finish with whatever dignity it has left.

COMMENT | one more thing...
posted by : ChrisASchrader
1/14/2006 1:10:32 AM

It's come to my attention that Gearhead has yet to show his ignorance again since I shut him down.

COMMENT | Has anyone even considered...
posted by : dd64954
1/14/2006 6:20:56 AM

that Dave Mustaine might be the one who's lying...?

When he claims that he wrote all those riffs and/or all those songs...?

No... of course he wouldn't!?! Because Dave was never or has never been a junkie... and even if he were... they'd never lie!?!

I'm not saying that Metallica are telling the complete truth either though... the truth lies somewhere in between!

Notice... for all you people who don't have their facts straight! I said it once and I'll say it again... Ulrich and Hetfield = primary song writers in the early days... Mustaine contributed solos and the odd riff... thus he contributed! He wrote Jump in the Fire and The Mechanix... that's it! But THE SONGS THAT ARE ON KILL EM ALL ARE DIFFERENT than the demos... Mustaine wrote.

Done... end of story!

If you'd listen to them... you'd know!

Peace

COMMENT | and he wrote
posted by : dd64954
1/14/2006 6:23:47 AM

a couple of riffs for Phantom Lord and Metal Militia

Helped on Ride the Lightning (track) and When Hell Freezes over...

Both songs are different than the ones that feature on the Ride the Lightning release

COMMENT | ChrisASchrader
posted by : Chale
1/14/2006 11:44:19 AM

I agree with a lot of your points but I don't BELIEVE a fucking word of what you say.

You talk to a lot of local folks who were there in that time period? I don't buy it, none of your facts are straight. They were planning on firing Mustaine the moment they reached New York. You argue that record executives told Metallica to fire Mustaine? What a load of bullshit! What record executives?! The Zazulas brought them to New York and their reaction to Mustaine's firing was shock. You are lying in order to debate something you know nothing about.

Another thing, just because Gearhead hasn't posted on a topic that is three days old doesn't mean that you "shut him down".

COMMENT | dd64954
posted by : Chale
1/14/2006 11:47:11 AM

Mustaine didn't write contribute anything to Phantom Lord. That song was written by the band Phantom Lord, Hetfield's first band.

What the hell is 'When Hell Freezes Over'?

COMMENT | WOW!
posted by : ChrisASchrader
1/14/2006 6:34:32 PM

You accuse me of lying you yet you don't know what Hell Freezes Over is?

If you didn't know that then you have no base or MERIT to ridicule anyone. Most OLD metallica fans or some current would know it was the demo to the instrumental that became Call of Ktulu.

Now,Moron.

Let's see John Zazula BROUGHT metallica here for the recording process but they DID come here before Kill Em' All was recorded and if they hadn't they wouldn't have recorded and here is why.

John & Marcia Zazula were smart business people and if they didn't know the area they definately wouldn't have played there.

Second,THEY DID NOT run Music America studios,they RENTED out the space that Metallica recorded Kill Em' All. The building was ran by a company here and purchased by a guy by the name of Tony Glass almost days before Kirk officially joined.

It was the people that RAN the studio that had the problem with Dave,and some record executives in the rochester and last I talked to them Metallica was firmly ready to record the album with Dave but after a string of incidents they decided it was best to look at others to replace him fearing that the band would end up splitting up. DON'T try and argue this because I still see this guy ALOT and he's repeated this over and over.

It's funny how you agree with alot of my points but yet you've decided you don't believe a word of it? What is it Einstein?

COMMENT | WOW!
posted by : Chale
1/14/2006 6:52:03 PM

"DON'T try and argue this because I still see this guy ALOT and he's repeated this over and over." Oh, okay! Since you typed it, it must be true!

"It's funny how you agree with alot of my points but yet you've decided you don't believe a word of it? What is it Einstein?"

It's because you are full of shit! I don't believe a word of what you are saying! This is no different then the 12 year olds that come on here and say something as stupid as "WELL i TALKED TO LARS LAST NIGHT AND HE TOLD ME THAT!!! LOL!!!" I don't fucking believe you, what is it about 'I Don't Believe You' that YOU don't get, Einstein?

"Second,THEY DID NOT run Music America studios,they RENTED out the space...." Who gives a shit? Who the hell said anything about the studio space that was either rented or owned? Who cares? Why are you bringing this up?

The Zazula's were John and MarSHA, not Marcia!

COMMENT | Too bad...
posted by : Chale
1/14/2006 6:54:26 PM

....that Gearhead isn't here to debate with us, since you "shut him down".

COMMENT | WOW
posted by : ChrisASchrader
1/14/2006 9:01:10 PM

I'm full of shit yet

1) I live in Rochester,know the guy that ran the studio Metallica recorded Kill Em' All personally,know technicians involved with putting the album together and most importantly could probably tell you exact dates had I been alive to actually witness them.
Note: By the way it's an unimportant piece of info but Music America got torn down about 17 years ago to be replaced by a much bigger studio here.

2) John and Marsha ran the label in which Metallica was employed, They did NOT however run Music America Studio here in Rochester. All they did was make sure Metallica got everything supplied that was needed and more. Anything related to the studio was handled by the engineers and most importantly Tony Glass.

John Zazula and Marsha had NO where near the final say when it came to the studio happenings. If they tried to act as if they had final say Metallica,John and Marsha would've been kicked CLEAN out of the studio.

3) You ask why I bring it up,because unlike you I know what happens in a studio and most importantly I know how the folks here INCLUDING Tony run the studios they own or have co-owned.

3)I know he rules everything related to the studios he owns in Rochester and beyond with an IRON fist and tolerates ZERO bullshit and people like Dave Mustaine was at the time were one of his biggest pet peeves.

4) Yes,Metallica operated then through John and Marsha's label but when they ENTERED music america studios it wasn't John and Marsha running the show it was TONY Glass and folks that managed day to day operations at Music America Studios. I know they had a meeting 1-2 months before Kill Em' All was even recorded and the people the Zazula's met with at Music America had concerns about Dave's increasingly drunken behavior and concerns as to the safety of NOT just Metallica as a band but the guys as human beings,Read into it.

Numerous fights with James and Lars some while in hotels and some on busses,after awhile it was JOHN and MARSHA that took the boys aside and said: Something has to be done with this guy he's getting to be a danger to not jus METALLICA but you guys as humans and they agreed at that point it was time to let Dave go,at that point they had seen Kirk Hammett play with Exodus and were close to gaining him into the band and the rest with that is history and is something that continues to grow today despite losing a guy that they picked up shortly before Kirk came into the picture (Cliff Burton) in a bus crash.

In unrelated news it was Dae that gave Cliff a monicker that the band called him up until he died. The Major Rajor (Rager) on the FOUR string mother fucker.

By the way Cliff played about 10 shows with Dave before he ended up getting canned.

This "argument" if you can even call it that is over. I'm done dealing with you and while I am not claiming to be 100% accurate on the story I am positive I am telling you this as I was told it by the folks who were there to witness it. I am sorry if you can't prove me wrong because I KNOW you can't but atleast for your sake avoid trying to make me out to sound like an idiot and call me out on something you know NOTHING about.

COMMENT | Spelling Error.
posted by : ChrisASchrader
1/14/2006 9:04:29 PM

By the way I meant Dave on the spelling error in regards to the comment about Cliff's monicker.

COMMENT |
posted by : Chale
1/14/2006 9:18:56 PM

".......I am telling you this as I was told it by the folks who were there to witness it. I am sorry if you can't prove me wrong because I KNOW you can't but atleast for your sake avoid trying to make me out to sound like an idiot and call me out on something you know NOTHING about."

I can't "prove you wrong"? You can't even prove what you are saying is true.

I'm not debating facts about Mustaine's departure from the band, at this point who cares? I think you are missing *my* point. It annoys me to no end when people try to give Mustaine credit for the Metallica songs that he didn't write, this is where you and I agree. What annoys me even more is when people get online in a chat forum or a message board and begin to post stories about "talking to Dave Mustaine's former barber from 1987" or "James Hetfields high school friend". Why would you create LONG ass posts about talking to people you supposedly know when you can't back it up or prove yourself. It would be impossible for you to prove yourself, so why do it?

That's my beef, I find it annoying as hell, and I don't believe you. And I never will. I'm sorry if that bothers you, but I have a feeling it would bother you if the roles were reversed and I was telling you about what Marty Friedman's personal hair assistant told me back in 1994 about how Mustaine was actually fired from Metallica, as he heard it from Friedman who heard it from Mustaine's-then-live-in girlfriend who heard it from Mustaine.

COMMENT | ...my point
posted by : Chale
1/14/2006 9:21:54 PM

I guess the point I'm making is that the only proof I have to go on that you "know" these people and that all this info is actually true is your word. I can't go on your word because you are no different then me or anyone else on Blabbermouth: you are just an internet goof like the rest of us.

COMMENT | Agreement..Sort of.
posted by : ChrisASchrader
1/14/2006 10:41:41 PM

"Why would you create LONG ass posts about talking to people you supposedly know when you can't back it up or prove yourself. It would be impossible for you to prove yourself, so why do it?"

Well man,I see your point. I am one of those who like to express themselves in detail and don't type short responses like "well I heard Dave was cut for being an arrogant drunk"

It sounds phony that you even heard it and are just repeating Metallica\Megadeth encyclopedia. So,I'm going by what I know i've heard which brings me into my next comment.

If I pointed out who I knew and where I met them would you know them by name and have phone numbers to prove it? No,because you probably don't care and if Joe Schmoe and John Schmuck owned the studio that some band that went by the name "Dogface" and by the way this is absolutely 100% made up (both names incase you didn't know) and is being used as an example. You probably wouldn't see their names mentioned on the first Dogface release and that's all I'm gonna say. Agreed?

COMMENT |
posted by : Chale
1/14/2006 11:51:40 PM

Agreed.

Reading details and information in books or interviews, or watching documentaries is one thing, but taking facts and names otherwise unknown by personal friends "who were there" is just too tough a pill to swallow on the internet.....well, I'm sure you know how Blabbermouth is.

It's still a much better debate then: "DAVE MUSTANG SUX AND SHOLD REALIZE HOW STUPID HIS BAND IS NOW!!! LARS SUCKS COCK!! LOL!!!11"

COMMENT | ChrisASchrader
posted by : Metallideth
1/15/2006 8:04:21 AM

"Metallica,on the other hand has always changed musically and gone with what they thought was good."

It could also be argued that they went with what was popular. I'm sorry, it just seems to convenient that they changed because "they wanted to". Every time they change, it just happens to be a change to whatever is popular at the time. That would explain why their changes have been so drastic.

Something we all have to remember re: the Load/Risk debate is this: the metal climate extremely weak in the late 90's. Diabolus was hardly Slayer's most popular album, nor was Volume 8 for Anthrax. Maiden was going through their unpopular Blaze days, as was Priest with Ripper. The only bands (in my opinion, of course) that were keeping the metal true were Pantera and BLS. You could nearly forgive Megadeth and Metallica for releasing shitty albums back then.

For the record, I like both bands. It's okay to like both. Megadeth is my favourite band. I like Metallica's 1st 5 albums. I can't stand the band members though lol! They're a pack of backstabbing hypocrite rockstars imo.

The thing that counts is this: what have the bands done to recover from the late-90's? Megadeth has gone in a more natural, heavier direction (with TWNAH and TSHF) - pleasing many fans. Both Maiden and Priest have regained their glory-days vocalists, and made pretty good albums. Slayer have gone heavier again with GHUA. Anthrax had an album which was generally acceptable in the metal world (We've Come For You All). What has Metallica done? They've gone further backwards with arguably their worst album - the horrible St Anger. They've learnt nothing.

COMMENT | edit
posted by : Metallideth
1/15/2006 8:11:03 AM

"the metal climate WAS extremely weak in the late 90's"

Lol, I wish you could edit your posts on blabber.

COMMENT |
posted by : Chale
1/17/2006 12:45:16 AM

Man, over 350 posts on the Metallica/Megadeth debate. Remind me never to do this again.

COMMENT |
posted by : Opeth_kvlt
4/25/2008 1:41:50 PM

bump! lulz

COMMENT | WTF?
posted by : espguitarist1
1/26/2010 9:30:50 PM

im going to have to say that as of at least the last 3 megadeth albums have been better than anything metallica has done in the last 10 years, and as just pure hard fucking metal ima have to say megadeths done better for the last 20. dont get me wrong my all time favorite bands are metallica and megadeth, but the truth has to be spoken, although it is my opinion, but as a guitar player he is more of a legend than james and kirk, and chris broderick is holy shit awesome, way better than kirk, but i have nothing agianst kirk or anyone in metallica, except lars, hes a douche, he acts way to cocky to be not as good as he used to be, he has no room to be a dick, he just needs to keep his mouth shut and let james be the frontman spokes person for metallica, i saw metallica in DC in January of 09 and in the parts where the double kick was suppose to be played lars didnt do it, i saw megadeth in october of 07 at the norva in VA beach and they sounded amazing, i sound as if im taking megadeths side but im just pointing out the obvious, either way these two bands will be legends forever, at we should all leave it at that

Metallica, Megadeth= Trivium, Bullet for my Valentine



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