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SLAYER's KING Says RICK RUBIN's Collaboration With METALLICA Was 'Slap In The Face'
- July 1, 2006
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Richard Bienstock of Guitar World magazine ( web site) recently conducted an interview with SLAYER members Kerry King and Jeff Hanneman. A few excerpts from the chat follow: Guitar World: Rick Rubin is credited as executive producer on the [new SLAYER] record [ "Christ Illusion"] — why not have him produce it? King: "We thought he was going to. With Dave [ Lombardo] back in the band now, it seemed to make sense. It would have been like the whole starting lineup again." Hanneman: "We expected to be working with him, and it sounded like he was interested. When we first wanted to go into the studio, he was the one causing the delay, because I think he wanted to be able to go with us." Guitar World: Now he's working with METALLICA. King: "It was like, 'Well, that's kind of a slap in the fucking face.' But we'll see how that pans out. You can't reinvent somebody that doesn't want to be reinvented." Guitar World: Is that what you think he's attempting to do with them? King: "If they can't reinvent themselves, where are they gonna go? When you do the thrash thing for however long they did it and you go away from it for years, you can't just come back and pretend that you've been a thrash band all that time. Because it's fucking running right by you. And I think that's what they're finding out." Guitar World: When it comes to recording your rhythm guitar tracks, do you split things up equally or does one guy handle the brunt of it? Hanneman: "Actually, on this one Kerry did all the rhythms. Even though he and I have similar styles, the parts sounded tighter when only one person played them. I think he did all the rhythm tracks on 'God Hates Us All' and most of [1998's] 'Diabolus in Musica' as well." Guitar World: So even on the songs that you wrote, Kerry played all the riffs? Hanneman: "Unless he couldn't do it. Having only one of us play the rhythms, whether it was me or Kerry, is something I wanted to do back in the old days as well, but the other guys weren't into it." King: "Things get done faster that way, too. Because if I go through 10, 11 songs, I'm pretty fucking happening with my right hand. I can match myself better. I do one rhythm track for me, and one for Jeff." Guitar World: The lyrics to [the new song "Jihad"] deal with terrorism, but through the eyes of a terrorist. Why did you approach it that way? Hanneman: "We don't preach to people about right or wrong. If I'm gonna write a song about 9/11, it's gonna be from the terrorists' point of view. That's what we do in this band." Guitar World: It reminds me of the lyrics to "Angel of Death" [from "Reign in Blood"], in which you detailed Nazi atrocities without explicitly condemning them." King: "I actually made that same connection. After hearing 'Jihad', I remember thinking, 'Great, now we're gonna be answering for this one!'" Hanneman: "But as with 'Angel', we're not endorsing anything. It's just not an 'anti' song, either." Guitar World: SLAYER has made a career out of writing pointed and controversial lyrics. Has there ever been a case where someone within the band hasn't felt comfortable with what was being said? Hanneman: "Oh, yeah. It comes and goes. But at the end of the day, people realize it's just entertainment. I mean, we are SLAYER. It's not like we're gonna go write about what a nice day it is." King: "I remember that Tom [ Araya, vocals/bass] had a problem with the lyrics to a song I wrote, 'In the Name of God' [from 'Diabolus in Musica'] and he went to talk to Jeff about it. And it's like, 'C'mon, man, you're in SLAYER. You're the antichrist — you said it yourself on the first album!' You can't draw the line like that. Whether he agrees with it or not, he didn't write it — I wrote it. So you have to say, 'Well, it's just a part of being in this band.' Now Jeff and I, we don't give a fuck. If Jeff wrote something I had a problem with, I would never even raise a fucking finger. I'd be like, 'Fuck yeah, let's do it! Gonna piss someone off? Alright!'" The entire interview with Kerry King and Jeff Hanneman can be found in Guitar World's September 2006 issue, available on the newsstands right now.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
7/1/2006 1:50:06 AM
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first post!!!
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COMMENT |
posted by :
7/1/2006 1:50:26 AM
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never mind....
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COMMENT | Just got back from the Slayer show in Cleveland...
posted by :
7/1/2006 2:00:41 AM
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Excellent show! Tower City Arena is a cool venue, too. It's an outodoor venue, but you're under a big tent-like thing. I was very impressed. Slayer's set was awesome, though short (only 14 songs and about 70 minutes). But they played "Silent Scream," which was great!
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COMMENT | GIMMICK!!!!!!
posted by :
7/1/2006 2:00:44 AM
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Slayer = great band but also plays on a very cheap Satanic GIMMICK!
...Fucking weak! Let the music sell albums not your image. Metal is about the fucking MUSIC!!! That is what I have always loved about metal. And what Slayer is doing is no different than hip hop artists playing into the gangster image when they grew up in a nice rich neighborHOOD... it's FAKE!
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COMMENT | Fuck Slayer
posted by :
7/1/2006 2:09:07 AM
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This band sucks cocks as do their fans.
Any band that lasts this long selling shitty music HAS to have stupid fucking idiots for fans. Who else would buy the shit?
I'm not some Metallica fan by ANY stretch - but Slayer has no room to talk.
They've sucked a helluva lot longer than Metallica has.
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COMMENT | time to let the satan shtick go,
posted by : Frank Zito
7/1/2006 2:10:05 AM
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just about as weak as deicide. Have not made a good cd since seasons so king is the pot calling the kettle black.
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posted by :
7/1/2006 2:14:43 AM
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Sensible Opinion - Nice post.
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COMMENT |
posted by : megaman18
7/1/2006 2:15:50 AM
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fuck this fat ass mother fucker
MEGADETH!!!
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COMMENT | clutch & down...
posted by :
7/1/2006 2:21:04 AM
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oh yeah.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
7/1/2006 2:31:22 AM
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I like SLAYER.....Clutch & Down too!
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COMMENT | DOesnt
posted by : Ken92081
7/1/2006 2:33:28 AM
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this guy ever shut his fucking mouth? My God. It was a slap in the face, that Metallica would ever work with a guy who worked with a shit band like Slayer. Kerry King wouldnt know SHIT about reinvention since he's been writing the same fast riffs, the same shitty lyrics, and the same FUCKING ATROTIOUS GUITAR SOLOS since 1983. Fuck Slayer, and fuck all of their sheepish fans.
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COMMENT | Kerry King
posted by :
7/1/2006 2:43:37 AM
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can suck a fat one...
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COMMENT |
posted by : choadrunner
7/1/2006 2:52:44 AM
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I think it's funny as hell how fucking delusional this dipshit really is. I love all the comments about kids listening to music and then finding "heavy shit" and listening to Slayer. fuck that. the band had a nice run and should have retired, same with Metallica and Megadeth. they should put out a new live album called Decade of Regression. they could even have a couple of slipknot covers since fairy queen has such a hard-on for them. he probably has his wife wear one of those masks when they have sex.
GAYERRRRRR!!!!!!!!
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COMMENT | ..
posted by :
7/1/2006 2:57:21 AM
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get over it Kerry even though I'm pretty sure he is by now. haha...
SLAYER!!!!!!!!!!
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posted by : Skanna
7/1/2006 3:14:57 AM
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Ken you're still running your mouth same as ever. Same old hate from you. Trying posting about bands you like, not bands you hate. Also learn to spell 'atrocious' and the meaning of 'sheepish'.
Must be DDT's day off.
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COMMENT | Slayer Rules/Reason for Metallica working with Rick Rubin
posted by :
7/1/2006 3:45:11 AM
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Slayer rules! They always stayed Heavy. Even if there was nothing to their music. They experimented with different guitar tones, but stayed Metal. Kerry King is right about Metallica playing fast, and Heavier stuff when they did turn their backs on it for so long.
They will not go back to the Thrash thing.
I don't see Rick Rubin reinventing Metallica. I have a feeling he will help them get a more aggressive sound back.
Rick Rubin also produced the first couple of Danzig albums, and Trouble. Those are two bands that Metallica (mainly James Hetfield) are influenced by, and I see elements from those two artists on the new Metallica album. Even if Metallica steals licks, and tempos from Danzig and Trouble. I am basically using those two artists as examples.
Metallica may have up tempo songs on their new album, but I do not see them going back to a Thrash sound. Rick Rubin will also bring back old school sound elements into their music. He will help bring Metallica back to what they should have done after the Black album.
Many people have wrote Metallica off. I haven't. I just don't understand why they hired a psychiatrist/group therapist for $40,000 a month. There are thousands of people working professional jobs who don't even make $40,000 a year. There are also people who have worse problems than Metallica.
Overall, Rick Rubin will take Metallica back in the right direction. However, if their next album sucks, they are finished. Even if Kirk Hammet says they are far from done.
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posted by : Some Kind of Monster
7/1/2006 4:02:13 AM
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If I was Rick Rubin and had a choice to take Metallica or Slayer for my next project, I would take Metallica. At least Metallica are willing to try new things and work in different areas where as Slayer are only interested in makign their new album sound exactly like their last. That might be what they think makes a good metal album, but Metallica would feel like they were cheating themselves and their fans if they kept re-releasing Master or Puppets over and over again. Compare Diabolis in Musica with God Hates Us All and even the new Slayer album; there is no progression at all. I think its about time Slayer challenged themselves.
By the sounds of things, this new Metallica is definately working in the right direction. The new song sounds very promising and they are happy to be playing as a band. Rob Trujillo will be adding material to the new album and he is a great diverse songwriter as well. Metallica have payed respect to their earlier material a lot lately and I think they really want to recreate the energy of those albums. Metallica are still a fantastic live band. They can nail that Master of Puppets set.
KIRK HAMMETT > KERRY KING
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posted by :
7/1/2006 4:09:17 AM
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this conversation is blown way out of proportion. All this shit over one fuckin dumb statement he probably didnt even mean to make in an interview with some screwball over the phone? come on!
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COMMENT | METALLICA IS GREAT BAND,
posted by :
7/1/2006 5:10:01 AM
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but let's face it - their last thrash metal album was "...And Justice For All" (1988)! "Black Album" (masterpiece!) was heavy metal with some thrash roots here and there, but starting with "Load" (good album) for Metallica thrash is GONE! "Load" was also their last descent album and it came out in 1996. Ten years of nothing and expecialy nothing with thrash metal!
METALLICA & SLAYER ARE BOTH GREAT BANDS, AND I WILL ALWAYS VOTE FOR METALLICA VS. SLAYER, BUT MAYBE THIS TIME MR. KING IS RIGHT!
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COMMENT |
posted by : drakester
7/1/2006 5:14:55 AM
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slayer = terrible
rick rubin wanted to produce an album for a band thats worth the time...metallica.
metallica rules. plain and simple. slayer...does not.
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COMMENT | UM
posted by :
7/1/2006 5:19:23 AM
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NOTHING GAYER THAN NUSLAYER
GERMANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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COMMENT | ....
posted by : LordiscarioT
7/1/2006 5:42:14 AM
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A Sensible Opinion what the hell are you ranting about record sales like some record executive. Who the fuck cares about how many albums "x" band sells. What the issue is the music is awesome and a gold album dosent mean shit to quality musicians. Who cares about Kerry King and his little diluted world of ego and play some fucking ICE TITAN!!!
Fuck a dead genere.. maybe in record sales (compared to richs)but the fans will always be there to embrace the scene even if it dosent show up on the stupid neilson charts.
Long live thrash metal!!
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COMMENT | Ahhh here we go again
posted by :
7/1/2006 5:51:15 AM
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More Bashing of Metallica by Kerry King. Will it ever end? They are better than you just give it up! I will say that I like some of Slayer's songs, but This Kerry King has a very poor attitude! First Its Dave Mustaine and now Metallica. I won't try to predict who will be next. And I respect Tom for not wanting to sing those lyrics. I mean, Does it always have to be about Satan? Do you constantly have to bash Christianity? Well, let me tell you something I believe in God! And sense I refuse to pay any attention to the satanic stuff, I only listen to Slayer for the Guitar riffs, and Dave Lombardo's phenomenal drum skills. If Slayer wasn't so evil or "fake evil" or whatever the hell you want to call it They would rank alot higher on my list of favorite bands. But the lyrics are too much. So I don't blame Tom at all! Mabe Tom is thinking within himself "man when are we gonna grow up"?
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COMMENT | Metallica/Slayer
posted by :
7/1/2006 6:30:52 AM
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The whole Slayer vs Metallica thing is complete conjecture, so why bother? Even the most juvenile of philosophers would agree objectivity is impossible, so why bother trying to make your opinions sound thus? Both bands do completely different things, one's more experimental, one's more traditional. Neither are better or worse than the other, they just offer different things. If metal that isn't crushing as hell sucks, then Metallica sucks. If metal that doesn't progress and experiment sucks, then Slayer sucks. As for justifying bands greatness via capitalism? Come on... Bill gates may have more money than most human beings, but does that make him the greatest human being that ever lived? No. Neither does that make Slayer fans any less sheepish than Metallica fans though. Whether you're listening to a band like Metallica that sells millions a year, or some obscure black metal band (for example) that sells 10 copies a year, you are still falling into a stereotype. It's just the discourse that surrounds the band is different. Ultimately, who cares? Slayer are one of the funniest bands with the funniest lyrics in metal (next to Manowar of course), and they take themselves really seriously too, which makes them even funnier. Metallica are just as funny, but in a different way. Ultimately, isn't that what metals meant to be about? Unintentional comedy? As long as both bands are being unintentionally comedic, I'll listen to them. Although it's gotta be said, neither of them are as funny as Jon Nodtveidt.
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COMMENT | ...
posted by : Mothman
7/1/2006 6:31:27 AM
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yes! 44th post!
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posted by : holland1970
7/1/2006 6:38:20 AM
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they should tour together!!!!!!!!!!
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COMMENT | P.S.
posted by :
7/1/2006 7:00:24 AM
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Blabbermouth.net is now on my list of favorite websites. Just giving credit where credit is due! This site kicks ass! I think if I make in this band I'm in, I would want Roadrunner as our record label!
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COMMENT | A senible Opinion is right on!
posted by : Slap Nutz
7/1/2006 7:12:48 AM
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A Sensible Opinion just pwnd this entire thread!
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COMMENT |
posted by :
7/1/2006 7:33:39 AM
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"You guys that dump on slayer are all just jealous. You guys still read the stories, them take the time to post. You don't like slayer? Fuck off and go read about other stuff."
is this your first time at blabbermouth?
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COMMENT | LOL
posted by :
7/1/2006 7:41:43 AM
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Hanneman: "Actually, on this one Kerry did all the rhythms. Even though he and I have similar styles, the parts sounded tighter when only one person played them. I think he did all the rhythm tracks on 'God Hates Us All' and most of [1998's] 'Diabolus in Musica' as well."
No wonder those two albums sucked...Jeff needs to be writing the rhythm stuff as well...look at Angel Of Death!
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COMMENT | Good
posted by : Das Schuetzenfest
7/1/2006 7:45:36 AM
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"Fuck yeah, let's do it! Gonna piss someone off? Alright!"
I'm not too keen on the current musical direction of Slayer (all hail timeless thrash songwrting à la current Testament, Kreator and Exodus) but the above statement is exactly the anti-establishment attitude that metal should be about, so kudos for that.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
7/1/2006 7:48:28 AM
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I guess bashing on Machine Head and Megadeth didn't garner enough publicity, so Kerry has to go after everyone's favourite whipping post.
Anyone ever consider that Kerry approaches interviews the same way he approaches lyrics; "is this gonna piss someone off? All right!"... I dunno, just a thought.
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COMMENT |
posted by : webb88
7/1/2006 8:41:28 AM
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I dont get why everyone freaks out about who the producer of the next Metallica album is. He's not even in the studio with them yet, and they've been writing, which means he has no input. The riffs that will be on the album will be written by the guys in the band, not the producer. So unless he has veto power on songs, and can just tell them to do whatever he says, I dont see it being a huge deal. He's gonna take what they give him and clean it up. Unless I am wrong about how they are doing it.
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COMMENT | Conclusion...
posted by : Metalium
7/1/2006 8:41:34 AM
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Kerry King will always bash other band as long as he is around. That is his thing, and he can't stop doing what he always done, cause than he will go against himself.
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COMMENT | If I had to pick!
posted by : If I die tomorrow
7/1/2006 9:04:00 AM
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new album by tallica OR new album by Slayer:
SLAYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tallica's career will soon fizzle out,let's see how many units their new album will sell!
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COMMENT | objective musical standards
posted by :
7/1/2006 9:06:31 AM
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I don't really feel like stepping into the slayer versus metallica minefield, because it's an explosive and frankly unrewarding issue. However, I did want to comment on a post that the holy ferret made earlier. He stated that "Even the most juvenile of philosophers would agree objectivity is impossible, so why bother trying to make your opinions sound thus?", this statement is rooted in a complete fallacy that defeats the purpose of discussion and human discourse. Of course there is also an element of subjectivity involved in what one "likes"; however, it is absurd to conjecture this to the point where we argue that all of human opinion is subjective. When I listen to a song that I like, I like it for particular and objective elements, or I like it because it inspires a strong feeling due to the combination of music and lyrics; to call this completely subjective is to miss the point. A band has no way to know the subjective opinions of any one person who happens to listen, therefore music (as with movies or literature) must be written on certain very objective terms that coincide with the subjective emotional respones that may arise. When a director films a big hollywood summer popcorn film, he is using certain generalities and cliche's that he knows will arouse a response because they are proven and successfull. So to when a band like Slayer writes lyrics with an eye to offend, and so to when Metallica writes about mass market friendly themes to sell a lot of copies. These qualities, however, are completely objective and completely a fair basis for discussion. In my opinion, when a band does something because it knows that there is a proconcieved need or desire for it in the market, that band is selling itself to the lowest common value. Slayer and Metallica are two bands that are equally guilty of this, despite our fanboy instincts to defend them at times. Slayer knows that the satanic lyrics will inspire shock in PTA parents, and a mock sense of rebellion in teenagers and young adults, and Metallica also knows that there is a large demand for slightly heavy alternative tinged rock.
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COMMENT | I agree
posted by : If I die tomorrow
7/1/2006 9:08:14 AM
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that a band doesn't have to repeat themselves over & over on every record but it doesn't have to SUCK either like Tallica has for the last 15 years!
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COMMENT | If
posted by : If I die tomorrow
7/1/2006 9:22:38 AM
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Bob Smock wouldn't be busy producing the new Crue record
he could do the new Slayer,that'd be interesting!
To those who blame Bob Rock for Metallica's demise:
It's NOT the producer who writes the songs!
Blame Lar$ & Jame$!
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COMMENT | Once again..
posted by :
7/1/2006 9:26:05 AM
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Kerry shoots his mouth off. Learn to play more than 3 notes before you trash others. Metallica always has and always will be way superior to the pretend Satanists. Kerry always tries to act like a tough badass and always comes out looking like an idiot child who has never grown up. And hetfield's voice sucks? Ever heard Araya? Simply brutal! Can't and never has been able to sing. Let's hope Metallica's new able resembles MOP.
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COMMENT |
posted by : Al Bundy
7/1/2006 9:27:24 AM
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hetfield03 loves to suck cock and balls.
SLAYER>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>metallica
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COMMENT |
posted by :
7/1/2006 9:29:12 AM
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Yeah, james can sing...laugh.
Both bands have sucked big time for over a decade long now, and I don't see either of them change in a positive way, so, forget about them.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
7/1/2006 9:29:25 AM
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Jeff Hanneman > Kirk
Tom Araya >> James
Dave Lombardo >>> Lars
Kerry King = chubby shit talker
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COMMENT | PS.
posted by :
7/1/2006 9:32:08 AM
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Kerry King is doing this to sell more records!
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COMMENT | Sensible Opinion you are wrong GOD HATES US ALL did go GOLD
posted by :
7/1/2006 9:57:45 AM
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Where are you getting you INFO???
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COMMENT | I don't agree that thrash is dead....
posted by :
7/1/2006 10:30:01 AM
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But guys like Kerry King act as if Metallica or any band that dwarfs Slayer sales wise has nobody left to buy the material they put out.
Personally as I've said before I dislike Slayer,I respect they've made it big to an extent but even the most sensible Slayer fan should probably agree that Kerry King needs to give the Metallica card a rest.
He claims that Dave Mustaine is a whiner,bitcher,moaner and complainer when asked about him and as Dave has chilled out with the Metallica related drivel it seems that Kerry just can't let it go.
He was asked about it? and I'll probably get someone on me saying such but heres the thing He could just as easily say NO COMMENT.
He's repeated the same bullshit since St.Anger came out and it's time he drops Metallica from his radar like they have dropped Slayer off of theirs.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
7/1/2006 10:39:46 AM
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Fuck Kerry King and Fuck Slayer!! Go listen to some real thrash bands like Sodom, Death Angel etc......ones that dont talk about how heavy they are..they just are
"hehe look at me im in slayer 666!!!" "....fuck off"
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COMMENT | Case #2
posted by :
7/1/2006 10:39:57 AM
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I'm making another post because I want to deal with the discussion at hand here on Thrash being dead.
Bands like Sodom & Kreator carry the genre pretty well. They ain't making Metallica like cash or selling Metallica like stadiums or records but they are probably living a fairly easy life. Testament and Exodus are also back on the scene after being dormant for quite a few years musically in general and they're probably all well off and could retire today. Thrash is somewhat starting to pull out of the slump it's marred in and is beginning to sell more records and people are beginning to listen to it in masses again.
Sure,It will never reach the climax it had in the 80's because bands like Kreator,Exodus and Testament are SLOWING down and are probably not going to be playing at all in the next 5-10 years but the same could and most likely will happen to Metallica and Slayer who by then will have been playing music for 30-35 years and Metallica the one staying relevent sales wise 28 of those years because the tour sales of Metallica's last tour are not showing any signs of sales stopping anytime soon but the latter but the fact remains and it's the real fly in the ointment that bands like Kreator,Metallica,Slayer,Exodus and Testament have not one band member under 40 and at 50 I don't see many of them willing to play as hard as they have in the last 25 years.
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COMMENT | No Platinums here
posted by :
7/1/2006 10:40:07 AM
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Slayer has yet to make any album platinum.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
7/1/2006 10:42:18 AM
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Metallica are as relevant as Madonna and a Pregnant, Nekaaad fucking Britney spears in a goddamn magazine.
Not so much.
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COMMENT | METALLICA
posted by :
7/1/2006 10:43:27 AM
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"who cares? only the World Cup matters right now"
I like this one:)
But what I think is that what Kerry said makes a lot of sense.
Metallica has gone from trash>heavy metal>alternative rock>to new metal. What my question is did Metallica do all that beacause of money or for the constant need to reinvent themselves. Many bands change their style through the years but is change in this extent a little too drastic. I mean do they even know who they are and what they like, it's like they're a bunch of confused musicians or moneymaking geniuses.
I can't pick one from the two, all I know is that I like Metallica, despite St. Anger was crap, also I have nothing against Slayer but don't really listen to their music. What comes out of the collaboration with Rick Rubin? - who knows! I hope there's a lot of solos, heavy riffs and some great lyrics and if that means going back to your roots than so be it.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
7/1/2006 10:46:08 AM
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metal_maniac7, you tell me that Reign in Blood isn't the greatest thrash metal record ever?
Sure you can hate what Slayer have become, I myself am not a fan, but they are a thrash metal band at heart, just like Metallica.
They just both suck right now, and one is just the most popular Metal band right now, and some people seem to think that, that fact makes them relevant.
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COMMENT | ...
posted by : mrfolger
7/1/2006 10:51:52 AM
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King needs to be reinvented from a teenager into an adult.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
7/1/2006 10:59:29 AM
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Staying in th same style and making weak material is one thing (Slayer)...
It's another thing to change your style dramatically, and still make weak material (Metallica)...
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COMMENT | Producers part of the line up?
posted by : iron_will
7/1/2006 11:05:58 AM
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Since when do you consider a producer to be part of the line up?
Especially one that works with other bands?
Then King himself goes and plays with Megadeth, albeit a while ago? Same rules don't apply here?
Just a thought.
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COMMENT | Successful does NOT mean good.
posted by :
7/1/2006 11:06:40 AM
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"3.- Last Metallica album, St. Anger, sold 2 millions + and Master of Puppets reached 2 millions in 1991, 5 years after it was released (and then it went on selling), which means that in the same life time ST. Anger has had so far, it had been more successfull than Master Of Puppets (althought it won't sell that well with time).
4.- Conclussion: Metallica are a successfull band. Compared to metallica, Slayer are not."
Just because something sells doesn't that the material is good. Metallica sells millions of CD's because they have dumbed down their music to the point where idiots can enjoy it. Why did they get Bob Cock to produce the Black album or write short simple songs with no substance like Enter Sandman? To sell out. That is why.
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COMMENT | Hold the Phones!!!
posted by :
7/1/2006 11:15:50 AM
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"They just both suck right now, and one is just the most popular Metal band right now, and some people seem to think that, that fact makes them relevant."
Your opinion,I don't think they suck so I disagree with it.
Relevent,I think Slayer is relevent to the scene. Any band that is accredited to influencing others is by no means "Irrelevent" to the scene. Slayer may not sell on any platform live or in the studio as well as Metallica but that by no means make them less relevent.
Any band that keeps making money is obviously still relevent because if they weren't making money they'd get the clue that weren't and if they were smart businessmen and woman (not all metal musicians have to be guys) than they'd close up shop or at the very least make something extremely hard and agressive,in your face metal to turn the crowds back in.
Brittany Spears still makes money,to her genre (Pop Music) she is as relevent as Metallica is to Heavy Metal/Rock.Madonna has made close to about 3-5 billion dollars and her last huge tour drew almost $125 MILLION gross profit only behind the Rolling Stones who made $300 MILLION back in 2003.
Cash means alot to relevency and really,is the biggest way to judge it in any field of employment. You will not find a band that is "Irrelevent" making music.
What you will find is bands that make material and sell records just as Slayer and Metallica are doing and continuing to go after every last buck that the fans they got have in their pocket and that is WHY they call it the MUSIC BUSINESS.
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COMMENT | Just listened to the 2 new Slayer songs
posted by :
7/1/2006 11:54:20 AM
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..........and we've all heard these songs before! These songs are on every album they have ever done. Kerry bashes Metallica because they have changed their sound over time, but at least they don't write the same songs for every album. Slayer quite simply really suck and always have. I have tried to listen to them and can't help but shutting it off every time. Music for the uneducated.
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COMMENT | THANK YOU KERRY
posted by : Brother Maynard
7/1/2006 12:05:57 PM
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For telling it like it is.
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COMMENT | Well Skanna
posted by : Ken92081
7/1/2006 12:23:33 PM
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Until someone provides proof that Slayer have made some significant change in their music, my opinion holds a lot of water. Slayer have made as much change in their whole career as Metallica made between Ride The Lighting and Master of Puppets.
"Sheepish" Slayer fans are guys like cronos666 who think "everything" Slayer puts out is great when in fact the solos and vocals are off key half the time yet it is justified because "it fits the music" which is the biggest bullshit excuses I have ever heard.
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COMMENT | Quote
posted by : captainjapan
7/1/2006 12:38:11 PM
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King: "Waaaahhhhhh, Rick won't work with me, wwwahhhhh!"
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COMMENT | Its about MEgadeth anyway
posted by :
7/1/2006 12:48:38 PM
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Metallica and Slayer are cool, but MEgadeth Rules.
MUSTAINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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COMMENT | This guy is a clown...
posted by :
7/1/2006 1:19:18 PM
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Oooh the big bad devil is gonna get me.... doh!
lol
Horrible, horrible, crap... it was over for these guys about 15 years ago.
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COMMENT | Metal-lickmyballs-A VS SLAYER
posted by :
7/1/2006 1:20:01 PM
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First things first.The best 2 thrash bands ever,in my opinion,are TESTAMENT and EXODUS.The first 3 metallica albums were great.There is no denying that.PUPPETS went gold with no radio play,which is amazing.However,they changed due to greed for money which is ok for business and personal reasons.They decided to make shitty music after PUPPETS so it was their choice to put out crap thereafter.So from a true metal or thrash point of view metallica was good for aproximately 4 to 5 years.
Slayer stayed thrash through the years and made a bunch of good songs but nothing really worthy of the cult following they have.I do like both the early metallica and stuff from each slayer album, though they havent deviated much which i guess is ok if you like straight ahead thrash with not so great soloing.
Now as far as TESTAMENT and EXODUS go (and of course all in my opinion) these guys made nothing but great albums and didnt sell shit! That totally sucks.I would bet my life the new TESTAMENT will blow away anything metallica or slayer ever wrote or thought of writing.The new EXODUS is possibly one of the best metal albums ever.Its fast and furious from top to bottom.
And one last side note Dave Lombardo is one of the best drummers ever, but the best slayer drummer ever is now in EXODUS.Paul destroys on SHOVEL HEADED KILL MACHINE!!!!!
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COMMENT | Quick Question
posted by : gcarl1983
7/1/2006 1:31:41 PM
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if you were stranded on a desert island for the rest of your life, and you could bring with you the entire musical catalog of either Metallica or Slayer, who would it be?
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COMMENT | Stipulations
posted by : gcarl1983
7/1/2006 1:32:26 PM
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Only one band, nothing else forever
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COMMENT | setting the record straight
posted by : Constant_Threat
7/1/2006 1:56:31 PM
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What the hell is all the bullshit about selling records? Just because Metallica has become more mainstream and watered down in order to sell more records, that makes them successful? I think not. Its a fact, not simply a matter of opinion that metallica have not been the same since their self-titled album, which began their slow downward spiral.
Slayer on the other hand never turned their back on heavy thrashing metal or their fans, not once. They are the only band to consistently release completely heavy albums from their start in the 80's straight thru to today.
kreator had some shitty albums like "outcast" and "endorama".
sodom had "better off dead" and even albums after that and before "code red" were kind of experimental into more punk territory.
Megadeth had tons of experimental records from "youthanasia" to the final embarrassment of "risk" before they started to kick back to it a little with "twnah" and "tshf".
Anthrax had "volume 8: the threat is real" etc.
testament had "ritual"(at least i think that was the title, the album before "low")
whereas slayer's worst album was "diabolus in musica" and compared to the worst albums of the aforementioned bands, its much better. "stain of mind", "bitter peace", "in the name of god" and "point" were good songs. Others like "perversions of pain" and "screaming from the sky" weren't as good as typical slayer stuff but at least it was a heavy album, not any less heavy than slayer's previous efforts.
It was slower as an album since jeff hanneman wrote the music for 10 out of the 11 songs on there and about 1/2 the lyrics as well.
even though you could say the lyrics on that album were a little lackluster(especially "Scrum" just being influenced by sports) It still manages to be better than anything metallica has done since '91.
the measure of success of a band its definitely not the records sold, its the credibility and relevance they hold to a particular genre and the overall consensus of respect and admiration their fans have for them and in slayer's case, was never in question or in doubt unlike say, metallica, who seemingly couldn't do anything right in the last 10 years, with bullshit ranging from napster lawsuits, jason leaving the band, therapists, whiny drama queen films like "some kind of monster"(lars is such a jackass, at one part where he was supposed to be contributing lyrics, he just goes "sorry..i wasn't paying attention".. shows you how much he cares) and the horrible nu-metal influenced "st. anger" which they had hyped up to the point where they said it was going to be "back to their roots" ..etc. give me a fucking break.
So the bottom line remains:
Slayer > Metallica
only uninformed douchebags who mindlessly tow the line of metallica's mainstream wankery would argue otherwise, when its safe to say the majority of metal fans who are truly in touch with the whole scene and have better taste know that metallica has no credibility anymore and its their own fault.
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COMMENT | wow
posted by :
7/1/2006 2:04:45 PM
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it's sound like Slayer are having a fight or might break up soon! I really don't know what's with Kerry King these days and he started to get boring with writing some lyrics and playing with Slayer. If Kerry King is not happy with this then he should quit and join Megadeth! it's just my opinion.
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COMMENT |
posted by : SpeedDamage
7/1/2006 2:09:20 PM
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Too bad Slayer is terrible and their music is lame....I have an idea lets write about the same damn thing in every song on every album!
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COMMENT | ^
posted by :
7/1/2006 2:23:53 PM
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you don't understand my english? LOL! go back to school kid :) Sherlock eh? you must be watching your favorite gay cartoon show Pink Panther ....
fuck off!
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COMMENT | Gatagate
posted by :
7/1/2006 2:28:41 PM
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shut the fuck up moron and it don't matter what time is anyone who comes online and posting around the board! I don't sleep! I stay up all night and posting and chatting! so does that ring a bell to you? time is nothing ass goblin!
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COMMENT |
posted by :
7/1/2006 2:32:33 PM
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"AC/DC have done the same shit for 30 years and people still like them. Do one thing and do it well..."
THAT IS SO TRUE, I AGREE 100%, AC/DC ROCKS!!!
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COMMENT | CaptainJapan
posted by : Ken92081
7/1/2006 2:43:20 PM
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that WAHHHH WAHHH is Kerry butchering scales in a failed attept to solo hahahaha
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COMMENT | radioactivebagel
posted by :
7/1/2006 2:59:21 PM
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You're a well-spoken idiot. Nothing more.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
7/1/2006 3:01:41 PM
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actually AC/DC suck because they've done the same thing for so long. I'll take Megadeth over Metallica or Slayer.
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COMMENT | NOT REALLY ON TOPIC BUT FUKK IT ****T-Minus 9 Questions From Boner Space****
posted by : T-Boner.com
7/1/2006 3:05:54 PM
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Happy 4th. from tha U.S. fukkin A....
Now here is a finnish band for you! Jack (scum voice) from finnish brutality Horrorpunkrock band SCARECROW>>>
http://www.t-boner.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3114
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COMMENT | ^
posted by :
7/1/2006 3:06:49 PM
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fake site...
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COMMENT |
posted by :
7/1/2006 4:38:50 PM
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and the cameo of Kerry King on the Sum 41 video was a kick in the balls.
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COMMENT |
posted by : LordiscarioT
7/1/2006 4:55:37 PM
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A Sensible Opionion.. You still dont understand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I live in a town with 4000 people and ONLY screamo bands come here (guess that throws the hole show/scene thing out the window) Now i hold thrash metal close to my heart it really does mean something more then a pay roll. What you fail to see is the scene exist's in our blood. The idea of being able to meet someone you have never seen before and you look at him and see a "Exodus" shit. You smile and say me and this guy we can deal. It to me is like an unspoken friendship already made. When i see a guy in a band shirt i love i just cant help but to complimant his musical taste and ask him to drink a beer with me. See i have never seen or met this person before in my life but we are metal heads alike so we can spew the shit about how Joey and Anthrax or what ever we may talk about.
See that is Thrash metal its like a big ol family to me. We bond over the music we both love equally and slam back those jager shots for the good ol dime
Metal to me stands for family. Maybe some of you can be foul mouthed assholes but hell id problay like one band you do and we could tip a few beers to that anyday. I have a hard time ripping some of you down because trully in real life i bet we would get along great.
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COMMENT | opinionshit
posted by : txz045
7/1/2006 5:15:08 PM
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TO OBSERVE HUMAN BEINGS EXPRESSING 'PERSONAL OPINIONS' IS ACTUALY QUITE HILARIOUS, OBSERVING THE ONES WHO 'ATTEMPT' TO APPLY THE VALUE OF 'LAW' TO THEIR 'PERSONAL OPINIONS' IS THE REAL KICKER. AND EVEN MORE HILARIOUS THE 'KING BASHERS' WOULD SPEAK NOTHING OF THE SORT TO HIS FACE. ALL TOUGH BEHIND THE COMPUTER
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COMMENT |
posted by : Met@l
7/1/2006 5:40:39 PM
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i like Slayer, but come on man Kerry King STOP being such a cry baby!
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COMMENT | Unbelievable
posted by : death23
7/1/2006 6:37:39 PM
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Kerry King got it right !!!
"You can't reinvent somebody that doesn't want to be reinvented."
Anyways,
Old SLAYER >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nu slayer
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@metal_bryan
"If you want to make money and advance yourselves, swallow some of that pride and change your style toward something which people are listening to right now"
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's METAL dudes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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COMMENT |
posted by : RiotAct666
7/1/2006 7:11:41 PM
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Slayer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Metallica!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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COMMENT | HEY
posted by : thechief
7/1/2006 7:47:51 PM
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Where are you guys hearing the Jihad song from?
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COMMENT |
posted by :
7/1/2006 8:28:38 PM
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Slayer.
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COMMENT | in my opinion
posted by :
7/1/2006 9:05:42 PM
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dave mustaine is the better guitarist of the 5 mentioned . he writes better songs and plays his ass off . slayer and metallicxa are just slighly entertaining . on topic if i had a choice slayer concert or metallica u can bet yer bottom dollar id be front row at slayer !
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COMMENT | ;
posted by : nadir
7/1/2006 10:29:50 PM
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holy fuck, a lot of "experts" are posting here again.....
by the way SLAYER and METALLICA are the shit!!!
and for the asshole (' A Sensible Opinion') who wrote:
"No matter how great Thrash bands are, or how kickass the style is, the genre is long forgotten."
a big FUCK YOU you fuckn fuck... the only thing that's forgotten is your opinion about something you don't know nothing about.
moron
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COMMENT | Hmmmmmmmmmmmm......
posted by :
7/1/2006 10:52:41 PM
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.....Let's see produce an album for Slayer or Metallica....Boy I wonder who is going to pay better and what band will make me look better, maybe get a chance at a Grammy, and so on and so on.
Slayer is what they are and part of the reason is exactly what they said,"You can't change a band that doesn't want to change". Well to me Slayer is that band not Metallica. At least Metallica took chances in there careers and some turned out good and some not so good. Either way they took the risk to expand there music, fans, and the legacy that is Metallica.
Slayer seems to be about as whinny as Anthrax at times. At least Anthrax has a leg to stand on usually when they whine.
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COMMENT | Kerry Rules.
posted by : ThrashMaster
7/1/2006 11:12:31 PM
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All of you bashers on here wish you were him. Talk all the shit you want, you will never be in the position he is.
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COMMENT | Morbid_Symphony
posted by :
7/1/2006 11:16:01 PM
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"Seeing how Enter Sandman was wrote on one of Kirk's jam tapes at 3 am in a hotel room I doubt it was done to sell out.
fuck off"
Oh, so he was half asleep when he wrote that crappy riff? Did they all listen to that jam tape a 4 am the following day and think it was good?
Back to the successful comment, The Star Wars prequal trilogy was a success. It made millions. Were they good? No. Did anyone like Jar Jar Binks? Paying money to go see a movie or buying a CD does not mean you will like either. I bought the black album when it came out and I thought it sucked after I listened to it. I still had hope for them and then they did Load. They suck. Get over it and FUCK OFF.
While you're at it, listen to some good shit fucker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA67UNstFWM#H4HQ2tadezQ
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COMMENT | wtf
posted by : MilkMan
7/1/2006 11:16:12 PM
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do album sales have to do with how good a band is?
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COMMENT | FCK METALLICA AND THEIR MONEY!
posted by :
7/1/2006 11:49:06 PM
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There is some fucked up bitches posting on here about getting there grammy and good pay. Apparently you should just sit in your room masturbating to your older sisters high school pictures and listening to AFI. Oh, and while your at it, shop at Hot Topic, dye your hair black and blue and think your hard!
Metallica = Sellout
Any band can sell millions of records if they have a huge bankload marketing them (Backstreet Boys??) so go fuck yourself making that point!
Slayer = Kept to there guns musically, even if it may be something they've done before. They also produce more music and play smaller venues and they are around often. Therefore their fanbase is stronger. Metallica does a huge tour with super expensive tickets every 3 years. Then you only get to see them on MTV2.
I'll stick with Slayer, and everyone else can save up all their milk money so they can text message eachother a picture of themselves in nosebleed $100 seats at a Metallica show (sorry, concert).
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COMMENT |
posted by : Speed_Guitar
7/2/2006 12:29:31 AM
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Metallica pulled off the greatest betrayal in heavy metal and you people are defending them againts Kerry King? I don't under stand why people defend Metallica, sure they treat their fans well with Meet and greets, but at at the end of the day they are happy to serve their fans with fucking garbage that is not what OLD school Metallica want. I hate to break it to you Metallica fanboys, but Metallica sold out plain and simple.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
7/2/2006 2:30:36 AM
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out of context you stupid fucks. read the article before posting.
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COMMENT | slayer
posted by :
7/2/2006 3:36:41 AM
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never met kerry but fuck he says some wierd shit in interviews.any true slayer fan will realise hanneman wrote most of the classic slayer songs early on.he just comes across as abit of a wierdo from all the interviews and videos of seen of him.im a fan of this band but all the fans on war on the warfield dvd jeez what a eye opener a bunch of fucktarts! anyway back to your arguing and bashing folkes!
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COMMENT | HOMAGE TO SATAN
posted by :
7/2/2006 5:10:42 AM
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What is the deal with all these little black boys? Fucking mention Slayer and suddenly their jumping up trying to snatch a candy bar out of your hands. It's God damned fucking ridiculus. It's like being at a Rob Zombie show. All these little black boys running about and who the fuck wants go to a show when you got all these little fuckers jumping around. They should just close Disneyland down. It's nothing but a cheap imitation stamped by China and besides Jeff Hanneman can't even say "Suck my dick" normally anymore.
- = TAKE NO PRISONERS = -
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COMMENT | Metal is all about the music?
posted by :
7/2/2006 5:18:01 AM
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"Fucking weak! Let the music sell albums not your image. Metal is about the fucking MUSIC!!!"
I guess Rob Halford, and his Gay Bar leather outfit wasn't a image. I guess Iron Maiden having a freaking monster on all of their album covers, and incorporating that into their shows wasn't a image. I guess Metallica wearing nothing but jeans and T-Shirt wasn't a image direct towards their feelings for G.L.A.M (Gay L.A Metal.), and don't even get me started on that Norwegian Black Metal crap... Yeah, Metal is all about the music.
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COMMENT | WTF?!
posted by :
7/2/2006 5:49:40 AM
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"One day you americans will wake up and realize that ignorance,noseyness and greed is what causes things like 9/11. Either your opinion on a band like slayer or wishing Jon from Korn dead, or butting into a country and stealing its resources and fighting war because of it"
I thought this discussion was about Slayer and Metallica, what the fuck does 9/11 or The Iraq War have to do with Metallica or Slayer you fucking turd? I don't mind anti-american sentiments, I could give a fuck, but it irritates the shit out of me when people bring it up, just for the sake of bringing it up in a argument totally unrelated to the topic .
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COMMENT |
posted by :
7/2/2006 10:40:38 AM
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SLAYER FUCKING RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fuck Metallica after master of puppets
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COMMENT | uhh
posted by : ManOwaR
7/2/2006 1:33:33 PM
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Kerry.... 3 words for you bud...
Diabolis In Musica.
Not even close to thrash - more TRASH - like.. worse than Load/Re-Load trash.
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COMMENT | LarryHFlintstone is a retard
posted by :
7/2/2006 1:53:19 PM
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"Yet you name yourself after them, as I don't believe the "SITH" was mentioned at all in the original trilogy."
"alternica sucks.. megadeth has sucked since RUST IN PEACE (ok countdown is listenable at best).. SLAYER has put out nothing all that worthwhile since seasons in the abyss (except maybe undisputed attitude, and that was covers)
and since closed minded "true metal" fucks hate for anyone to evolve, thrash bands will just keep regurgitating the same crap until they become irrelevant, and then break up and wait for the reunion tour."
If you read, they mentioned Sith in the books, comics, etc. before the movies came out.
Also, evolution means you become better and stonger than what you were. Tell us how Metallica is better now than the were before ...and Justice for All. If you mean evolution to be "suck", then yes, Metallica did evolve. They evovled from an awesome metal band into an old and tired pathetic rock band trying to cover old Metallica songs.
As for being closed minded, knowing what is good and what is not doesn't mean closed minded. They just suck.
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COMMENT | you know.........
posted by : slayer_fucking_rules
7/2/2006 8:06:03 PM
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everyone of you bashers would buy a ticket to go see slayer if they played your shitty whitetrash trailercourt town. you know you would, just like all of you are going to either buy or download slayers new cd. stupidass motherfuckers!!
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COMMENT |
posted by : wajahat_k
7/2/2006 11:47:09 PM
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The new songs r pretty good, but toms voice is pathetic. In the sense, its matued to much, jus duznt suit the music anymore
OH well, thats my opinion.
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COMMENT | yep
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7/3/2006 12:30:00 AM
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every gay bashers in blabbermouth forum does not know anything about metal and those bands because they were never born in the 70s and 80s! all they just go to google site and find their website to check it out and then come back here at blabbermouth and pretending that they know everything about them, now that's really gay and a fucking liar! those kids should be at neopet site and stay away from blabbermouth!
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COMMENT | All these comments about the USA
posted by :
7/3/2006 4:04:00 PM
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Let me say something to everyone saying stuff like "you must live in the USA" and "You americans blah blah blah". Go fuck yourselves, because without America thrash metal wouldn't even exist. Metal as a genre would have stagnated into european power metal Iron Maiden clones. You guys love to talk shit about America and how Americans don't know the facts about metal, but let's see here; Master of Puppets, Reign in Blood, Cowboys from Hell, Practice What You Preach, Rust in Peace, etc, guess where they're from? AMERICA. What about all the progressive metal you Europeans love so much-Dream Theater and Fates Warning pretty much created the genre, they're American. ANY metal with blues influence? Invented in America. Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden may have been real pioneers, but their efforts would have been in vain without the furthering of the music by AMERICAN bands. Plus, great Swedish bands like Meshuggah, Soilwork, Katatonia, In Flames, Opeth, etc have been adding American metal stylings into their music recently (this is undeniable by the way). Of the bands I mentioned, Meshuggah, Katatonia, and Opeth have all openly cited Tool as a MAJOR influence-guess what, they're from the USA. Not to mention the obvious metallica influences on all of them.
So before you guys get on your soapbox to talk about how stupid Americans are and how little we know, maybe you should step back down and see what innovations to metal YOUR country has offered-and unless you live in Britain, chances are the answer is "not many".
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COMMENT | Slayer Live
posted by : To Mega Therion
7/4/2006 3:05:12 AM
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I saw Slayer live a little over a week ago and I must say they weren't that good live. Excellent setlist but they didn't have any stage presence. Tom didn't sing half the lyrics and you can't hear the crowd chant over the power of the speakers shaped like inverted crosses (though that was badass). Maybe they had an off night. Slayer fans does Tom usually drop half the lyrics like that? I know his family was in the audience so that may have been part of it I guess.
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COMMENT | I will not defend anyone........
posted by :
7/8/2006 4:48:46 PM
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Who bashes Dave Mustaine, and Metallica! These are 2 of the best bands in the world. And you cannot tell me that Megadeth and Metallica did not have an impact on Slayer. Kerry King himself said he was inspired by some of Metallica's music. So what the fuck? Does a band have to play riffs that sound like they came from that old cartoon Inspector Gadget? Does a band always have to use fast alternate picking? That shit gets old. Megadeth and Metallica are versitile. Which is why they are so good, and why alot of people like them. Sure I love speed/thrash metal. but I don't like it when every song sounds the same.
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COMMENT | I will not defend anyone........
posted by :
7/8/2006 4:49:54 PM
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Who bashes Dave Mustaine, and Metallica! These are 2 of the best bands in the world. And you cannot tell me that Megadeth and Metallica did not have an impact on Slayer. Kerry King himself said he was inspired by some of Metallica's music. So what the fuck? Does a band have to play riffs that sound like they came from that old cartoon Inspector Gadget? Does a band always have to use fast alternate picking? That shit gets old. Megadeth and Metallica are versitile. Which is why they are so good, and why alot of people like them. Sure I love speed/thrash metal. but I don't like it when every song sounds the same.
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COMMENT | Fuck Iron Maiden
posted by :
8/13/2009 7:50:56 PM
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Tom Araya>Bruce Dickinson and Steve Harris
Jeff Hanneman>Dave Murray, Adrain Smith, and Janick Gers
Dave Lombardo>Nicko McBrain
End of fuckin' story.
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