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MARILYN MANSON, BEHEMOTH To Be Banned From Performing In Poland?
- June 16, 2007
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Michal Stangret of Poland's Metro reports that a Polish anti-sect organization calling itself the All-Polish Committee for Defence against Sects has compiled a list of artists who allegedly "promote Satanism" through their music. The list, which will be distributed to various Polish officials in July, will likely result in the artists becoming registered and getting banned from performing in Poland. "Until now it has been unclear which bands promote these values, and therefore the authorities, unaware of the facts, have allowed these kinds of concerts to be organized, in the process giving these bands a platform from which they could spread their dangerous message. So we decided to help them," explained Ryszard Nowak, who heads the All-Polish Committee for Defence against Sects. According to Nowak, hundreds of bands who have performed in Poland over the course of the last 20 years have been evaluated before the final list was compiled. Just exactly which artists will be included? The document's creators are unwilling to reveal that information just yet but it is almost certain that Polish acts BEHEMOTH and KAT, as well as American shock-rocker MARILYN MANSON, will make the cut. "The index will not only contain metal bands, but also rock artists," Nowak explained, before adding that the list will include any groups who promote Satanism or encourage murder and animal sacrifice. The document will be distributed to government authorities and various other officials around the country. Some of the local governments are already looking forward to receiving it. "Nowadays we rarely know anything about the bands that are performing in our city and the list would enable us to identify the dangerous ones much more easily," said Urszula Sienkiewicz-Nogal of the Bialystok city council. "I don't think anyone with common sense would allow concerts by any of the artists included in the document to be carried out," she added. "At the moment, when I see a poster of a suspicious band in the street, I call the venue [to obtain more details]. But obviously this simple method does not always allow for the proper identification of bands that promote Satanism," Mariusz Orzelowski from the Siedlce mayor's office said. According to the report, the document will also be forwarded to the Ministry of Justice, Ministry of Interior Affairs and Administration and to the Minister of Education. What for? "The report will be very useful, as we are currently preparing an amendment of the penal code which also includes regulations concerning sects and promoting Satanism," explained Joanna Dabek on behalf of Ministry of Justice. "As soon as we get the document, we will pass it on to the police headquarters," stated Michal Rachon on behalf of Ministry of Interior Affairs and Administration. He added that the report is going to be a valuable instrument for the Ministry of Interior Affairs and Administration since it is responsible for gathering significant information on sects. The existence of such a list will surely make international headlines. "This kind of document hasn't been compiled in any other country," said Nowak. "Poland is the first country to undertake such a task. The document is going to be confidential and will not be made public. "We don't want it to fall into the youths' hands as they could copy the practices we are describing there," Nowak pointed out. BEHEMOTH frontman Nergal had the following reaction when told of the plans to release such a list: "I am shocked; this must be some kind of joke. We've been touring around the whole world — United States, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Russia — and we've not had any problems anywhere. I am surprised that we are being judged by our appearance and that no one even took the time to contact us and ask us what our music is all about. Other than that, come on — there are enough serious matters to be dealt with in Poland! The authorities would be better off spending their time on things that really need to be improved and taken care of." To view the original Polish-language Metro article, go to this location. (Thanks to Monika Serafinska for help with translation)
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COMMENT | First post
posted by : MustainepWnsYouAll 6/16/2007 2:11:58 PM
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haha fucktards!
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COMMENT | BEHEMOTH BANNED IN THEIR HOME COUNTRY?
posted by : MISTER H 6/16/2007 2:17:53 PM
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And no one gives a fuck if you got 1st post!
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COMMENT |
posted by : Machine Dead 6/16/2007 2:21:34 PM
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that's pathetic.. :-(
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posted by : 6/16/2007 2:22:13 PM
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Well I see Manson needs the cheap publiity again especially as the songs from the new record suck!!!! Career over. No idea, no tunes and no lnger interested.
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posted by : Long-Live-The-Skullet 6/16/2007 2:24:04 PM
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The banes of religious idiots.
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COMMENT |
posted by : 6/16/2007 2:30:43 PM
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bullshit. what happened to freedom of speech?
im sure poland will be delighted to have gorgoroth play more shows there.
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COMMENT | You thought America was bad...
posted by : tennesseedriver 6/16/2007 2:35:52 PM
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Maybe a lot of my paranoid fellow Americans will shut up now about being ruled by a "religous theocracy", this thing in Poland is much closer to that. This is big news, and a precedent. Here in America, you might get banned at a local venue for some reason or another, but this is getting banned from an entire country. I know Poland is largely Catholic, so when is this "anti-sect" organization going to go after other "sects" of Catholicism that don't match their standards? Man, this is wrong. Here Europe goes again, socialism on one hand, and now forcefed religion on the other.
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COMMENT |
posted by : 6/16/2007 2:40:03 PM
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There is no god satan heaven or hell so your just wasting your time banning bands from that country and your judst wasting your time worshiping something that dosent exsist
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COMMENT | While we're at it though...
posted by : Dark Prime 6/16/2007 2:41:20 PM
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Let's list the victims. Maybe they can band together and set up a "Live 8" against Poland's [strikethrough]totalitarianism[/s] catholicism. Heh heh heh...
Gorgoroth Dark Funeral Naglfar Kat Marilyn Manson Behemoth
Who else...
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COMMENT |
posted by : NIGELBLACKWILLY 6/16/2007 2:49:35 PM
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"The index will not only contain metal bands, but also rock artists," Nowak explained, before adding that the list will include any groups who promote Satanism or encourage murder and animal sacrifice." - I think that says it all...this is just an attack on rock music. I doubt very much that they'll ban all the rappers who promote murder/violence etc.
Satanism is no more dangerous than any other religion, infact maybe even less so when you consider the fact no wars come of it.
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posted by : 6/16/2007 2:51:08 PM
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Yea, BAN MM! And while you're at it, ban Korn, LP, disturbed, and all that other awful tripe that parades itself as 'music'.
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COMMENT |
posted by : 6/16/2007 3:06:27 PM
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OK, good luck with that one, you backwards supersticious fools. In Europe (of which Poland is a member state) We have nice piece of legislation caled the European Bill of Human rights. which expressivly forbids predjudice on the basis of faith, belief or culture. Well worth a band with a bit of Cash taken them to court.
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COMMENT | oh
posted by : 6/16/2007 3:15:30 PM
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wow. that is so stupid. especially if Behemoth can't perform in their home country.
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COMMENT | .
posted by : Dark Prime 6/16/2007 3:28:28 PM
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'Satanism is no more dangerous than any other religion, infact maybe even less so when you consider the fact no wars come of it.'
Well, depending on the sort of satanism, there isn't really much anti-war sentiment in it, but at the same time the Satanists know the mistakes those idiots directing the right-hand path religions made, as well as the fact they comprise a minority. Never the less, what you've said's rather valid.
And BED13, I second that notion. XD
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posted by : 6/16/2007 3:39:53 PM
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I 3rd the notion
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COMMENT | lmao
posted by : 6/16/2007 3:50:32 PM
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*pissing in the eyes of these arrogant facists*
Ahhhhhhhhh...Much better!!!!!!!
Now, it's time to rip off their heads and shit down their necks! lol
Now they're blinded by more than the light!!!
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COMMENT | I forgot
posted by : 6/16/2007 3:52:40 PM
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Slayer Overkill In Flames Arch Enemy
Maybe they'll just ban Heavy Metal music as a whole.
What a way to thank Iron Maiden for their performance BEHIND THE IRON CURTAIN back in '84. What a way to shit on them for performing for YOUR FREEDOM!!! You ingratefu facist pieces of shit!
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COMMENT | correction
posted by : 6/16/2007 4:03:09 PM
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ingrateful
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COMMENT | So....
posted by : 6/16/2007 4:36:27 PM
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What the fuck are they gonna do. If Manson goes to Poland and performs, be it a festival or at some hole in the wall club, are they gonna fine him? Cause thats all they could really do. Then all he has to do is leave the country right after the show and never pay it. So scary, Poland. And Behemoth? If they decide to play a show there in defiance of the almighty Polish government, are they gonna burn down their homes or something? How the fuck will they actually enforce this new "ban" . Fuckin' A. Good job Poland. Once again you raise your tiny little fist to accomplish absolutly nothing. Fuckin' pussies.
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posted by : snajper 6/16/2007 4:55:55 PM
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COMMENT | Damn them posted by : Dark Prime 6/16/2007 2:37:05 PM It's nearly 20 years since the collapse of the USSR and Poland's still a fucking police state.
====== No, it is becoming a police state.. again.
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COMMENT |
posted by : snajper 6/16/2007 5:26:51 PM
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They know fighting with Satan is easy. The most important thing in politics is to have full support from idiots. After all, it's the biggest social group in any country.
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COMMENT | karma2burn
posted by : 6/16/2007 6:11:55 PM
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no shit sherlock! i'm not a fucking idiot. treat others the way you want to be treated. that's why this world is fucking dead (because people don't grasp onto that concept). we all are metal fans that hate being pushed around and and told what to do with our lives. so much in common, yet we bash each other for our opinions.
i was just trying to make a point (like the rest of us). they could choose to ban Hell Yeah because they promote drinking, moking weed (i endorse both of those), and if someone walks all over your dignity and picks a fight with you, to open a x-large can of whoop ass.
they could choose to ban the sale of cds, which pantera is still selling lots of today (even after the split and dime's death).
they could ban down because of one reference to charles manson in the song "where i'm going' off of downII.
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COMMENT | wow
posted by : 6/16/2007 6:17:33 PM
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What a polish policy. Enough said
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COMMENT | Jesus Buttfucking Christ.
posted by : 6/16/2007 6:42:43 PM
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Pretty fucking sad to see all the idiots on here trying to steer the conversation towards which countries are 'fascist' and which ones are somehow 'better'. If you think your own country or its government is better than the rest in every damn aspect you've probably never been outside of your own backyard in the first place.
Governments across the world promote fascism in one way or another, period, and they would all absolutely love to regulate your 'freedom' in any way, true freedom of speech is much too threatening to deal with - but thankfully certain governments know to keep reminding their people of how incredibly free they are and how they are fighting the good fight, unlike everyone else. If you find a person dumb enough and keep telling him he's a tomato rather than a person, he's likely to eventually believe it. After a while he might even start waving a flag and buying bumper stickers proclaiming the awesomeness of tomatoes.
I don't think I've ever heard Behemoth, although I might give them a chance now, and I wish Marilyn Manson would just be quiet, but this type of shit is disgusting as fuck regardless of who or where, and whether or not I agree or disagree with their message.
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COMMENT |
posted by : 6/16/2007 7:08:00 PM
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"Governments across the world promote fascism in one way or another, period, and they would all absolutely love to regulate your 'freedom' in any way, true freedom of speech is much too threatening to deal with..."
You ;ve obviously never lived in any type of true fascist regime. Might wanna consider that before you sit on your soap box and preach the evils of the government wanting to take your "true free speech" away. Hell, just writing that statement is proof enough you have no clue what fascism is.
As for that list, I can see it working short term, but long term I see it having the same effect that those parental advisory stickers Tipper Gore had slapped on cds years back to stop kids from hearing musicans swear and what not.
Give it time, that list will prove unenforcable.
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COMMENT | hm
posted by : username666 6/16/2007 7:45:24 PM
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You can't have Christianity without Satan. He's one of the principle characters! It doesn't make any sense. *insert "polak" joke*
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COMMENT | fundamentalists
posted by : 6/16/2007 7:50:56 PM
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taste great when bbq-ed!
(except for mustaine-a-likes; i like my red meat "saignant/bleu")
over and out
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COMMENT | WTF!?
posted by : 6/16/2007 8:19:04 PM
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Catholics are fuckin assholes...they use their religion as a force against everything else, thats BULLSHIT!!!!
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COMMENT | Poland: From communism to theocracy
posted by : Against the Grain 6/16/2007 8:41:12 PM
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I'm glad I don't live there.
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COMMENT | MM ROCKS
posted by : RiotAct666 6/16/2007 9:01:34 PM
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That sucks for him.
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COMMENT | Skinremover...
posted by : 6/16/2007 11:13:30 PM
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Yes, governments across the world promote fascism each OBVIOUSLY to a different degree - which would have been pretty damn clear in my post to anyone who isn't a complete imbecile. At least attempt to comprehend the message even if it seems you don't have quite all the equipment.
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COMMENT | a little taste
posted by : Kat666 6/17/2007 2:32:07 AM
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a little taste of the "post communist" poland for you american and west-european readers here.
Why does KAT get mentioned only in reference to their open defiance of the catholic church? such a fucking brilliant and unknown band that pioneered polish metal. Actually, in comparison, all current polish acts seem to fall flat on message, creativity and essence... If you like a more technical side of thrash with just uncotrolled melodic-yet-fucked up vocals definitely check out their albums "Bastard" (my favorite), Oddech Wymarlych Swiatow, and "Roze Milosci...".
KAT!!!! the most underrated and unknown Polish metal band! Period.
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COMMENT | I'm from Poland and..
posted by : 6/17/2007 6:45:44 AM
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Calm down - we're on the way to make in not happen - mr Nowak is well known for his anti-sect attitude. He is also well known for his lact of creditibility. In another words, one cannot tread his private organization's FUD as a law - anyway, any other polish anti-sect organization (you know, the real ones) are distancing themselves from Mr Ryszard Nowak. Anyway we (at least the members of Behemoth forum) are trying to kill this stupid initiative the legal way.
And again - it's not our government's initiative! (so far :P)
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COMMENT |
posted by : 6/17/2007 7:43:06 AM
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FUCK THAT FUCKING COMMITEE
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COMMENT | This is stupid
posted by : 6/17/2007 12:56:02 PM
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People like this are the ones who should be banned, not the metal groups. This group (All-Polish Committee for Defence against Sects) lacks intelligence and fears the uknown, thus their reasoning for wanting to keep these acts from performing. They are exactly what's wrong with everything in the world! Can some please take a pentagram and shove it up their close minded asses?
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COMMENT | A solution!
posted by : 6/17/2007 1:53:21 PM
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Behemoth could just move to America!!! :D
plur
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COMMENT | awolcfh5150
posted by : 6/17/2007 2:08:56 PM
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I guess it's just the situation where beliefs meet business - it's apparently cost-effective for them. Religion is great business (not directly of course).
hurricane hugo - Well, you will have to make do with Apostasy tour ;)
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COMMENT | Dark Lord Of The Sith 666
posted by : 6/17/2007 2:09:27 PM
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Well said. Religion is made up to control people. Non of this shit really exists outside people's mind. Plus these fuckers don't understand the Law of Attraction. By fighting Satanism they actually fuel it further. Not that I believe most of these bands even practice let alone understand what Satanism is. Poland once used to be a safe place for all kinds of religious beliefs and never let the Holly Inquisition in. Look at it now..what's next ? Witch burning ? This is truly scary stuff. There is nothing worse in the world than religious fanatism!
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COMMENT | ban the "satanic" metal bands
posted by : DecrystallizingReason 6/18/2007 3:06:28 AM
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but whatever you do, don't ban the rappers that promote drugs, drinking, violence, gangs, sexism, and violence towards women...all to 10 times as many people as any metal band's fanbase, while making millions of dollars. something doesn't add up.
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COMMENT | ArcaneDimension
posted by : 6/18/2007 12:40:59 PM
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you said it all mate
"This is truly scary stuff".
indeed
much worse than the PMRC or something like that..
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COMMENT | Morons
posted by : 6/19/2007 10:33:39 PM
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I guess these morons still havent seen Manson talk on Bowling for Columbine or any of his interviews ....
Cause these fucktards still arent able to accept personal resonsibilities and divert the wrog thiings to entertainment
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