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GENE SIMMONS: 'The Record Industry Is Dead'
- Aug. 28, 2007
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KISS bassist/vocalist Gene Simmons was a guest on Dave Navarro's Internet TV show, Spread Entertainment, last Thursday (August 23). The highlight of the program was Simmons and Navarro discussing the current disturbing state of the music industry. A partial transcript of the chat follows. Dave Navarro: Now we were talking about the music industry and the state of things now, you guys ( KISS) were obviously pioneers in the rock world, you have millions of fans around the world, how have you seen it changed? Gene Simmons: It really has. The thing that's changed is the industry around it. It's still basically the same — you've got people who've got something to say. Whether you're a rapper and you do it with lyrics — because there's no difference between "Wild thing, you make my heart sing" — it's just spoken the same way a rapper does it. It's a different message written by a different person for a different audience. The thing that's changed is that there's no industry. We've allowed the fox to come into the hen house and then we're shocked that there are no eggs and no chickens left. Those college geeks that thought that they deserved to download stuff for free without paying for anything ruined it for everybody. So if you look around and there's no record industry, it's those guys, the same guys that METALLICA sued, we'll sue 'em right now, we'll flush 'em down the toilet. Anybody who thinks that they should have access to something that belongs to me deserves to go to war with me. Those guys ruined it for everybody. Dave Navarro: And even if you agree to the iTunes thing now, people can pay and go and download, people are downloading songs. Gene Simmons: It's too late … Dave Navarro: They're downloading one song because they don't buy albums anymore. Gene Simmons: It's too late because the record industry is dying to figure out a way to survive. It's over, it really is. Less and less bands actually make any money making music anymore and have to go back to the old ways which is to go out and play live. Dave Navarro: Here's what I'm noticing is that a lot of bands, my last band, people close to me, is that because they're not selling records, there's not an immediate return on records, there's not an immediate single — the companies are going to pull tour support. Gene Simmons: Yeah, but whoever invented the idea that a record company should support a band? What lunatic ever expects that? Imagine being in a business where you have to pay money, an advance, cash, to a band. Record companies were the best friend you and I ever had. They give you a big advance, you never have to pay the money back. If it loses and it bombs, you never pay the money back. They'll earn back their money, then they continue to pay you royalties. That's the best friend you ever had. Then they have to go manufacture it, promote it, advertise it, PLUS they want to get you out on tour and they'll pay you to go out on tour. They don't participate in your licensing, your merchandising or your live ticket sales … Dave Navarro: Now they have a piece of all of that — the new deals are with merchandising … Gene Simmons: But they're paying for you. Because you know why they're doing that? Because they can't make any money on records. It's done — the record industry is dead. You can watch the Spread Entertainment archived clips at this location.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2007 3:59:22 PM
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The title is so true! No wonder why they are trying to sue everyone for illegal downloading!!
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posted by : oldskool
8/28/2007 4:06:53 PM
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The problem is that the dinosaurs who run the music industry don't know how to sell something that isn't a physical product. CDs will be gone in less than a decade and then they're totally screwed. If they want to keep going, they should shift their focus to becoming strictly a tour financing industry.
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posted by :
8/28/2007 4:09:39 PM
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i don't download but if maybe if there wasnt so much filler songs on albums people wouldn't just download individual tracks
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COMMENT | go ahead, Gene
posted by : suffer2ascend
8/28/2007 4:10:06 PM
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for the most part, I pretty much agree with Gene. record sales are plummeting. for the past 10 years, CD sales have been 10-15% less than the previous year. and I fucking hate that short attention span, quick-fix, download mentality. no one wants to buy CD's anymore. they would rather juat download one song (sometimes for free), even though 3 months and $50,000 was spent making the recordings that were meant for a full length album. its the iPod age, and I fucking despise it. get off your ass and go to the local music store and pay for the damn CD like you're supposed to do. support your favorite bands or else they might not be around to make another album. not every band is rich. some bands are doing this full-time just to make a modest living.
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COMMENT | I AGREE
posted by : North Nova
8/28/2007 4:11:45 PM
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Downloading killed the music industry. There are lots of MORONS who don't agree with that on Blabbermouth. Why would you pay for something you could get for free??? WHY???
How would you like to go to work and have some total stranger take your paycheck? You WOULDN'T!
Right on Gene!
You Rock!
PS: As much as he pimps himself out (I like to make money also), he still knows what he's talking about. He's lived it and knows the music industry as good as anyone. Not to mention he's a good businessman.
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COMMENT | No one takes kiss seriously when wearing their makeup
posted by :
8/28/2007 4:15:34 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:KISS_in_concert_Boston_2004.jpg
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COMMENT |
posted by : HORRORHOLIC
8/28/2007 4:16:30 PM
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It's true, it's sad and it fucking sucks. I like downloading songs to make mixed cd's of bands who's music i already own but what is going on now is fucking pathetic. I like going to the record store to buy a new cd, I like checking out the booklet, lyrics, pictures etc... I gues I just like having the psychical product.
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COMMENT | Seeing as
posted by :
8/28/2007 4:24:13 PM
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nothing KI$$-related outside of tix for the reunion tour has sold for shit since the late '80s, I can see why Gene would feel the way he does. For the industry as a whole however...the 1st thing you learn in business class is "charge what the market will bear". It's painfully obvious to even the dimmest observer that the number of people willing to pay $17.99 list for an album, no matter how good said album may be, is dropping by the minute. Record companies keep looking for some kind of technological fix, when the simplest solution is to CUT THE LIST PRICE IN HALF. Will you get everybody back? Of course not...but you'd get a lot of them. Survey after survey of people who download music for free shows that an overwhelming percentage of them would pay for it if CDs weren't so expensive. So make 'em not so expensive. A consumer should be able to get at least enough change from a $10 bill to buy a Slurpee when they buy a CD.
plur
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COMMENT | yeah well...
posted by :
8/28/2007 4:24:56 PM
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navarro can fuck off..... he has contributed more than most
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2007 4:26:03 PM
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I like going to the record store to buy a new cd, I like checking out the booklet, lyrics, pictures etc...
-Yup It pisses me off some of my friends steal music. Its funny to me because there all musicians, how would they feel if someone stole there album.
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COMMENT | Gene
posted by :
8/28/2007 4:29:46 PM
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whether you like him or not...he's right! As video killed the radio star downloading killed the cd star. Kids today don't have the attention span/passion to put in a band. they want instant gratification.
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COMMENT | GENE'S RIGHT...
posted by :
8/28/2007 4:30:19 PM
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And to all the little kiddie fucks on here who want to bash KISS and Gene, well...you're just that, kids. Downloading has killed the industry AND, in return we get shitty music. Why worry with making 10 great songs when a band can cut a single and then fuck off in the studio. You kids are gonna get that single, another single, etc etc. Record companies can't/won't spend as much time and effort anymore. WHY? Because a bunch of lazy, half-assed, "I need it now", generation Z kids don't appreciate art. The package, music...the fucking effort. I'm a working musician in Nashville and I have to work during the day to afford my hobby, my passion. I love my job, but I'd love to be playing for a living...be it on the road or in the studio. I have faith that this technological hell we live in will eventually fold on the consumer. Consider it your tower of babylon.
myspace.com/sevencycletheory
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posted by : IFH
8/28/2007 4:32:39 PM
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For once, Gene actually has something relevant, and important, to say.
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COMMENT | I don't buy into this
posted by :
8/28/2007 4:33:04 PM
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Just like the "tape trading is killing music" craze of the eighties. The most important points have already been made: albums are too expensive and that many albums are 80%+ crap. Want to sell records? Make them worth buying!
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posted by :
8/28/2007 4:39:42 PM
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Maybe if all record companies followed what Nuclear Blast Records does and release some good quality shit! Like the limited release formats for the new Dimmu Borgir album. They did have a couple of shaped CD's which was a cool collectors item. Instead of just releasing a CD and hoping it sells! Put out some good quality CD packaging and maybe they will sell more! But then again, downloading and burning my own compilation CD's is the most convenient thing for me!
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posted by :
8/28/2007 4:40:12 PM
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I only download when i dont have money or if i dont really know the band or if i dont think there worth my money.
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COMMENT | subzero is an idiot
posted by :
8/28/2007 4:41:48 PM
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COMMENT | The record industry deserves to DIE
posted by :
8/28/2007 4:46:19 PM
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The record industry has been raking in billions in profits for themselves by charging $30 for a t-shirt and $17.98 for CDs. They have been ripping off music fans for years now and it's time for them to feel the sting of being ripped off. I do not download any music because the sound quality is terrible.; and I am a fan who likes to have an album/CD of music I like. The idea of having all your music downloaded into a micro chip is just too NU for me. I like the days of vinyl records. I will always buy CDs from my favorite bands but I will never pay $17.98. I buy all my CDs used and pay no more than $10 for a used CD. If the record industry wants to save itself, maybe they should charge $7.98 for a new CD instead $17.98.
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posted by :
8/28/2007 4:48:05 PM
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"Want to sell records? Make them worth buying!"
I agree with you to a certain degree there. I also have to say this..... maybe record labels should start signing acts that have a bit of an established fanbase instead of the Myspace "flavor of the week" artists that they've been picking up the last couple years now. We can't forget about leaks as well. The bands and record labels need to rethink the way they do advanced reviews of albums. It is the leaks that are making the album available before release and it is more than likely that the leak is coming from some idiot "journalist."
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COMMENT | CHAPSTICK
posted by :
8/28/2007 4:54:57 PM
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I'm sure it might be $3.99. It would look great on the mantle next to my DYNASTY poster. Oh yeah, my KISS bookends that are next to EMMY award hold up my KISS albums. My Gene Simmons pillar statuette is on what I call my altar that showcases my concert stubs, photos, etc...and sometimes I pack my lunch in my KISS lunchbox. One of two. And after looking at all that cool KISS stuff, I curl up with my hot girlfriend and listen to tunes that we paid for. So, you might should think about getting some of that KI$$ chap$tick...it might help your lip$ after all that auto-fellatio.
cheer$
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COMMENT | Lower the prizes for CDs...
posted by : Das Schuetzenfest
8/28/2007 4:58:51 PM
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...and the turnover and the earnings will rise again. I guess there are still enough "consumers" like me who want the full package, album plus booklet (I grew up with vinyl and bought my first CD in 1988, Iron Maiden's Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son). With a reasonable prize of, say, 8-12 Euros / Dollars, there should be enough incentive for many to buy the full package, especially digipacks like the amazing Devin Townsend albums from InsideOut Music.
I downloaded some music in the past and discovered great new bands like Opeth or (older) In Flames, but I bought the majority of their catalogues in return and spend my hard-earned cash on concert tickets. Unforunately I'm probably in the minority.
If they don't lower the album prizes or refine them (digipacks, bonus DVDs, etc.), the 'industry' may be fucked indeed, but I guess creative artists would still be able to survive - take a look, once again, at a guy like Devin Townsend.
Oh, and fuck Gene $immons. Kiss = overrated.
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COMMENT | Listen to Gene!!!
posted by : Killuall
8/28/2007 4:59:05 PM
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You may not like him personally, but he's one hell of a business man, and if ANYONE knows this industry, it's Gene Simmons!!
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COMMENT | STOP RIPPING THE FANS OFF
posted by :
8/28/2007 4:59:24 PM
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I d/l music but i have numerous reasons for that.
1. i dont have room to keep cluttering all the cd's i could potentially buy.
2. I cant tell you how many times i bought a cd which was NEW and looked like its been on a turntable. and the store wouldnt even refund me claiming that I did it.
3. if the artists didnt put so much filler crap on the cd's and the prices werent so high then maybe Id buy some.
4. Gene u mentioned how all those college kids were sued for d/l but the key words are "college kids" maybe you can afford to put ur kids thru college with all the money youve amassed but for someone who lives in a dump, earns shit to nothing along with his/her parents has college to pay for along with fees and books and has bills pilling up every month, a cd is too much especially if u like a lot of bands and want a lot of cd's.
for once in ur mouth shove that cash of urs up ur fuckiing asshole and look at the way people live their lives today u greedy son of a bitch
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COMMENT | Branikald_44...
posted by : Das Schuetzenfest
8/28/2007 5:00:58 PM
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...beat me to it.
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COMMENT | /\/\/\
posted by :
8/28/2007 5:01:45 PM
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P.S. unlike you douchebags saying go buy the fucking cd i dont care about the album art b/c its on their website under discography, and lyrics dont mean anything to me either b/c I can easily look them up on various websites that post song lyrics
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COMMENT | SAD
posted by :
8/28/2007 5:06:32 PM
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So far I've heard piss poor excuses for downloading music. I went to college and was poor. I didn't download music. I listened to the cd's I could buy or had already owned. There isn't one good reason for downloading music. If you're listening to bands that have "FILLER", then maybe you guys should listen to different bands/music. "DON"T HAVE ROOM FOR CDs"...Jesus Christ, I've heard it all.
I do enjoy the KISS bashing from time to time...it's usually from jealous people who have no idea what KISS did for the music industry and bands in general. You don't like their music, fine and dandy...but, at least use some of that college education and acknowledge.
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COMMENT | Album leaks
posted by : Das Schuetzenfest
8/28/2007 5:09:13 PM
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As I said it many times before, why don't they just put two voice-overs on every song of an advance copy, like Katatonia did on The Great Cold Distance? Still good enough to review it, still annoying enough to incite the purchase of a regular copy.
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COMMENT | LOL
posted by : North Nova
8/28/2007 5:09:16 PM
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I love this stuff. I knew this would be a good topic. I guess some people still don't get it and never will, too bad for you. I guess if there was some device that you could buy anywhere (for $500) which could dupicate a house or car you'd say, it's the real estate companies or the automotive companies fault...LOL.
My favorites were the posts from 'samoththomas' , 'the tape trading of the 80's guy...' , and the best was from the ' business class guy'...LOL. What planet do you KIDS come from, LOL.
Those who understand...understand. For the rest of you...I don't know what to say...
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2007 5:12:15 PM
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"As I said it many times before, why don't they just put two voice-overs on every song of an advance copy, like Katatonia did on The Great Cold Distance? Still good enough to review it, still annoying enough to incite the purchase of a regular copy."
That actually sounds like it would work. But then again, if guys like Gene Simmons and Navarro did something like that and the record didn't sell...... they wouldn't have an excuse to throw around.
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COMMENT | cutepuppies
posted by :
8/28/2007 5:13:25 PM
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I don't condone illegal downloading or understand legal downloads (because of sound quality, etc) but I don't believe record labels would recover now even if all music thievery stopped. Too many people are jaded towards an industry that pumps out so much garbage and expects people to pay more and more money for the "privilege" of owning it.
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COMMENT | BECAUSE...
posted by :
8/28/2007 5:15:16 PM
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...YOUR ONLY GOD writes hit albums.
You're right North Nova. These kids don't get it. Even if some of these people are over 18, hell, 27...they're still little children with this mentality. They'd be so upset if they went to work and found out they're working for free. Or, that they've been replaced because they're just filler. Just like kids, don't want to take responsibility for doing something wrong.
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COMMENT | korpiklaani_rawks
posted by :
8/28/2007 5:20:02 PM
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You're right. Labels AND Bands won't recover. But, there's always been garbage in the music industry, yes? I mean, damn...WHAM, NEW KIDS ON THE BLOCK...those are subzero's favorites...BACKSTREET BOYS...I mean, you can go back to the late 60's and find crap. Maybe not as much...but, nonetheless. If people quit buying the crap, and bought good art then where's the issue. I think people are just into the crappy-one hit wonders...hence, college kids. I GET KNOCKED DOWN, BUT I GET UP AGAIN, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA KEEP ME DOWN. Those an oldie but goody for some of you college kids...now quick, go download it.
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COMMENT | cutepuppies again
posted by :
8/28/2007 5:23:11 PM
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Actually didn't that band recommend that their fans steal the album if at all possible? Chumbawumba or something like that...bad example but you've got a point about one-hit wonders and their 'fans'. Here's an idea: market the bands that make quality music.
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COMMENT | You people are all missing it (Gene especially)
posted by : LordIrish
8/28/2007 5:28:31 PM
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Ask yourselves... how many frigging metal albums were released in 1985, 1995 & 2005. There are EXPONENTIALLY more albums & bands releasing stuff to the point the whole industry is saturated regardless of downloading. THE WORLD IS FLAT. Do you know how many death, power, grind, metal bands are out there globally? It's insane. A person can only listen to so much . Not all bands are going to be able to drive sports cars & live a rockin life no matter how talented they are. Musicians should get into the industry if they love what they are doing, it not to sell out. This is why the industry is dead. Its oversaturation. Not downloading. Most people that download wouldn't buy the original stuff in the first place.
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COMMENT | Kids are lazy, stupid and selfish
posted by :
8/28/2007 5:32:10 PM
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That is why they think they are entitled to something for free, when they want it and how they want it. People 20 and younger have been coddled and babied their whole lives by an overly sensitive, mommy culture for the last 15 years. We raise these arrogant self centered little fuckz to think that life is always fair and nice and that if you want something then it is your right to have it immediately. This d/l practice is simply an extension of that attitude and culture. Kids need to learn the value of hard work, money and effort. Other people have to work, sweat and toil to get you whatever product or service you desire and you dont even realize it.
Well guess what kiddies, life isnt always fair. Pain, suffering and misery are just as much a part of life as joy, pleasure and satisfaction. And they are equally worthy emotions and states of being. I have learned more from life not being what I want or not being comfortable than I have when things were all rainbows and sunshine. You dont appreciate the sunshine until its gone and you have to work to try and bring it back.
Fuck this modern techno-culture of spoiled, egotistical fuckheads. Children are the futuer right, well then I guess we better bend over and kiss our asses goodbye because the future is becoming F.U.B.A.R.
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COMMENT | GREAT!!!
posted by : Hawkwinder
8/28/2007 5:41:28 PM
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Does this mean that classic rock radio will fill the gap?
OH NO!
I seen the mention of Alice Cooper's radio show (yesterday?) and gave it another listen. (i heard it a coupla years ago - not horribly impressed) It was a little better than usual classic rock radio but they still had to put their fill of the tired old standards (like Heart's 'Magic man - good song, but why not something a little different, like 'Rockin heaven down' or 'Strange night'). He played a couple interesting things just to appease the listener who likes variety, but apparently there are simpletons who only want to hear the 80 songs cloassic rock radio plays, so we heard alot of stuff that everybody's heard before a zillion times. One David Bowie song that I never heard was played.I'd give what I heard overall a C
Strangely, it's the same old rock standards that lead me to buy cds. Why hear 'Paranoid' when you can hear 'Megalomania'? Why hear 'We're an American band' when you can hear 'Outside looking in'? Why hear Jimi Hendrix when you can hear Frank Marino?
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2007 5:44:42 PM
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record sales are plummeting. for the past 10 years, CD sales have been 10-15% less than the previous year.
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wouldn't that mean that the sales would be zero by now?
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COMMENT | prof. wedgie
posted by :
8/28/2007 5:46:07 PM
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"wouldn't that mean that the sales would be zero by now?"
No. Take a math class, friend.
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COMMENT |
posted by : Jack Klompus
8/28/2007 5:49:35 PM
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just because your fat ass hasn't put out any music worth giving a shit about in 25 years, doesn't mean anyone else has!
KLOMPUS
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2007 5:52:06 PM
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"If anything is poisoning the music industry it's these talentless hacks with a massive sense of self-entitlement who think they're special because they can shit into a microphone and then put it up on their Myspace page."
It's about time someone else thinks that. There are no bands out there with a fan base anymore. Now if someone gets a thousand random clicks on Myspace they get a record contract.
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COMMENT | cd's
posted by :
8/28/2007 5:52:35 PM
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I own a music store and we sell cds. I thought we would no longer sell cd's by now because of the downloading. We sell more cd's then ever now. People tend to buy a lot of classic rock and the newer metal and rap stuff. The problem isnt that people dont want to buy music cd's, its that the new music thats comming out sux. The management of good rock bands dont know how to promote them. MTV is over. Bands are gonna have to go on leno and letterman. Record companies need to stop signing crappy bands. bring back STARS something for people to get excited about. Van Halen are about to go on tour with Roth, They say they are gonna put out new music. Journey's last album got to their fans by including a disc with your concert ticket. That was a great idea.
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COMMENT | Well
posted by :
8/28/2007 5:52:48 PM
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I download but I pay for my shit. I think what it all boils down to is that the stars and the record execs are going to have to learn to get by on a salary range way below the decadent amounts they are used to. They might have to actually budget their finances and realize that even Bill Gates doesn't have enough money to keep them in cocaine for the rest of their lives.
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COMMENT | I pirate music for fun and profit...
posted by :
8/28/2007 5:54:20 PM
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Loser is a cool touch. Seeing as I've done twice what you've accomplished in your life...and I've done it just this week alone. Thanks for checking Seven Cycle Theory out. Talentless? Ahh, poor fella, I could drum circles around you. But really, drum circles? Maybe you should ask Paul Barker, Duane Denison and the rest of the cats from USSA about us...they asked for us to open their CD release party/tour kickoff for them. Oh, and Seven Cycle Theory is self sufficient, thanks. Now, I'll go check out your "joke". Ok. I'll have fries with that, yes.
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COMMENT | Seven Cycle Theory
posted by :
8/28/2007 5:59:17 PM
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Why does your band off free downloads on your MySpace page if you're so sure that it will cost you $?
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COMMENT | Typo
posted by :
8/28/2007 6:01:16 PM
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offer instead of off, of course. Do you really stand by what you're saying or just trying to get more hits for your page?
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COMMENT | korpiklaani_rawks
posted by :
8/28/2007 6:04:13 PM
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Good question. I don't know. The songs that are on the page are demo versions of the tunes. I didn't record them. Actually, I'm just a hired gun...the drummer for live shows. They don't pay me, as I'm happy to do it because of my love for playing. And, I play around town. They're shopping the record and have some interest, but I believe they want to release it themselves and really try the true independent route. I believe they're just offering them to get some interest. If people don't like it, they don't have to listen or buy it, right?
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COMMENT | Tape trading is killing music
posted by : Public Image Ltd
8/28/2007 6:08:37 PM
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Did it?
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COMMENT | cutepuppies yet again
posted by :
8/28/2007 6:10:43 PM
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"They don't pay me, as I'm happy to do it because of my love for playing"
An all too rare attitude these days. Sure, everyone says it but how many really mean it? Throughout the history of the "album era" far many more bands have nothing to show for their work than those that do. Yet you and others on your "side" blame others for their desire for instant gratification...hypocrisy (not the band) much?
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COMMENT | Illegal Downloading
posted by :
8/28/2007 6:12:38 PM
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First of all I wil say that Kiss, and bands like them got me into metal, and hard rock, but alot of things have changed since then. so people download songs for free, and the bands say oh god we are losing money, so we have to raise concert ticket prices, and raise the price of merchandise, so in the end i figure they come out about even. A concert ticket that cost 20, 25 bucks ten years ago is now well over fifty bucks, concert Ts went from 20 bucks to 35 to 50 bucks a piece. Any way why is gene bitching anyway, like he is poor. I'll stop downloading records when these concerts come back down to a reasonable level. When I saw Motley Crue on there first reunio concert tour I spent 100 bucks a ticket, pkus 70 bucks on two shirts, Did i download theirRed White, and Crue album freakin right I did, do I feel bad about that when the album had 2 new songs on in f**k no. The point is instead of crying like pussy rich boy rockstars put out better albums, maybe include something you can only get with a cd purchace like autographs or guitar pics. I am in a all original metal band, and I know how hard it is to make it in this buissness, but if you don't like it, or you don't make enough money Mcdonalds is hiring quite bitching no one cares.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2007 6:19:44 PM
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No. If I was upset over playing and not getting paid when everyone was seeing green, then sure, I'd be irate. But, these guys are starting from scratch. Where are the funds? And, it isn't a rare attitude...from actual players, people who love music and especially when starting something from scratch. I'm not blaming anyone for anything...as nothing is effecting me, actually maybe it is I might have not turned down offers to do certain things but knowing the state of album sales, it's not worth the frustration now...I'd rather keep trudging forward and do what I am doing, but I see it effect others around me. I play live and studio as a hired gun...it's different. I said earlier, that kids these days don't appreciate what it takes to make a record much less rehearsal time etc etc to take it out on the road. And then people are not buying your product?? Hello? Anyone listening, and seeing past my love of KISS? Instant gratification is a horrible a habit....it doesn't exist, unless you're taking from others.
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COMMENT | The Music Industry i sDead ....But.........
posted by :
8/28/2007 6:25:42 PM
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BULL $EMEN now there`s an industry
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COMMENT |
posted by : Killuall
8/28/2007 6:27:37 PM
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iTunes is well on its way to becoming the #1 music retailer in the US. iTunes has a 9.8% market share ranking behind Wal-Mart with 15.8% and Best Buy with 13.8%. The majority of iTunes shoppers are "cherry pickers", in that they strictly buy "singles".
Much of their business is based on selling old catalog singles (60's, 70's, 80's) which traditional "brick n' mortar" stores lack the ability and or space to carry. Therefore, iTunes royalties have no real impact on today's artists one way or the other. Best Buy and Walmart currently hold the # 1 and # 2 spots. Considering that neither are specifically music retailers, one can only assume that at least a fair percentage of music purchased from those 2 retailers are "impulse sales" in that the customer did not go there specifically to buy a CD. Over the past 3 or 4 years, traditional music retail heavyweights such as Tower and Sam Goody have fallen farther and farther behind. The way we are "obtaining" our music has obviously changed. The act of going to the "record store" to buy music is virtually extinct. The internet provides instant gratification for many things, and chances are, the latest music from whatever artist is currently piquing your interest is available "right now" at your fingertips...and for FREE. All things considered, I think that there is room for flexibility on all sides, and for the music business to survive and flourish it has to accomplish the following: All websites that offer illegal free downloads of music need to be either shut down and penalized or switched over to a legal method of doing business (ala iTunes). Closing certain websites will obviously require the help and participation of foreign governmants (particularly in Eastern Europe). That is the single biggest challenge!! As for iTunes and other pay sites: I think they are fine in that they serve a particular niche consumer. Lastly, CD prices need to come down to a suggested retail price of $8.99 or so (which is generally today's CD discounted sale price). That would make for a sale price of $6.99 or so. I think that the difference vs. today's prices will be made up in volume. Provided that the general public can't find product available in it's entirety for free via illegal downloading, the new price will be an attractive way to entice consumers back to the stores to buy their music. Obviously, iTunes would have to adjust to the above by offering a deeper discount for "full length" purchases.
Shops like Amazon are also good for convenience, etc...
To sum it up. I believe that once the "freebies" are taken away once and for all, then the music industry can begin to recover. As Gene said, the artistic dynamics have not changed....it's "the industry around it" that has changed.
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COMMENT | I'll say it again...
posted by :
8/28/2007 6:27:52 PM
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Well, thanks for the intelligent discussion (on Blabbermouth, no less) about this issue cutepuppies but I stand by my opinion that downloading isn't killing the biz anymore than tape trading was; it was killing itself and it's doing it again.
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COMMENT | i pirate music for fun and profit
posted by :
8/28/2007 6:40:49 PM
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Oh boy, here we go again. Do you clowns read and absorb or just stare at the screen? Fear of A Blank Planet anyone? Anyway, UNHOLY LUST, by the way, you've got to be 16 or so with a name like that. It's cute, but not as cute as puppies. Not once did I "piss and moan" about having to work...I said, I have to work to afford my hobby/passion. Have to as in, yes-I have to work outside of music...not, oh gosh darn, I have to go to work again. Did you not read where I said, I love my job? No you probably didn't. Snorting coke? That's the dumbest thing I think you've said on this board...maybe on the whole board. AIDS? Hey, I can't speak for my mates...with the dreads and all, but my picture isn't there silly boy. And yes, opening for acts here in Nash-vegas has been nothing but great for us. We opened for Rikets not to long ago and that was fun...playing in front of 100-200 people who are enjoying themselves is so much fun...but when we get to open and play for more that is fun too. Oh, I forgot. Who do you play for? Or, do you even play? You're just trying to live vicariously aren't you? webster.com for the big word there chief. Would-be rockstars...now, my feelings are hurt. Man...oh well, I'll see if playing our "talentless hack blargon blargon" in front of a nice crowd will make me feel better. What makes you feel better?
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COMMENT | I download all the time...
posted by :
8/28/2007 6:43:16 PM
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I'd rather buy though. mp3s suck. I download and rarely even listen to what I download. Mainly just preview it. I download (and I can find ANYTHING) because I can preview it before I buy. Then again, my tastes are pretty eclectic, so it's hard to find most of what I'm looking for anyways.
99 cents a song is WAY TOO EXPENSIVE. The bandwidth to host songs and the cost of royalties to an artist certainly don't cover that much. Somebody (iTunes?) is still ripping people off blind. Maybe songs are worth 15 cents (that is, IF they were CD quality).
Artists only get 10-15 cents per play per song on the radio in the form of royalties. If I liked popular music, I could easily tape the song from the radio, then put it on a CDR. The band would get the same amount of money.
10 cents to the band, 5 cents to the record label, 5 cents to the computer hosting the bandwidth, per song, no song should cost more then 20 cents.
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COMMENT | Everything has been said
posted by : motor-ed
8/28/2007 6:43:59 PM
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Forwards and backwards for both sides of the argument. I'm thinking record companies need a new approach, like convincing people why they should part with their money. The whole its illeagal and we're losing money bit obviously has not worked and it won't. Start giving people value for their money. Convince people it is in their best intrests to walk into the music stores in a positive way.
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COMMENT | oops...
posted by :
8/28/2007 6:44:05 PM
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I mean "than" not "then".
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COMMENT |
posted by : Killuall
8/28/2007 6:54:17 PM
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also.....the days of decent album "advances" for artists are gone, as it is now standard for bands to submit "finished product " to the record companies on their dime!! Partnership agreements have become the new norm.........which is fine and dandy if you trust their accounting dept. Bottom line is: The record co's are trying to protect their profits (in today's dismal sales environment) and are doing so at the expense of the artist(s) by cooking the books, taking co-publishing, including merch. provisions, etc.... So, even with less sales, they are trying to figure out how to turn the same profit. They then just throw more shit against the wall. The artist suffers this way.
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COMMENT | The record industry isn't dead ...
posted by :
8/28/2007 7:05:21 PM
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... but people need to adapt to change and use new ways to bring themselves into the digital age.
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COMMENT | The record industry isn't dead, part 2
posted by :
8/28/2007 7:06:49 PM
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This is also one of the reasons why prices for concert tickets are so inflated now. Bands are looking to make money in other ways.
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COMMENT | A couple things
posted by :
8/28/2007 7:14:20 PM
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First, who the hell is paying $17.98 for a CD? I bought the Heaven and Hell live cd today at best buy and paid $12.80 after tax for a double cd. Unless you're shopping at FYE for your music, single cds don't cost that much. It's a horrible argument, stop it.
Second, CDs still cost in the teens because the individual retailers are marking it up that much. Best Buy has the new Scorpions CD for $6.99 with a bonus track on it. How much is it at other retailers and how can Best Buy afford to offer it for so much less as a new release?
Third, as others have said, the sound quality of an mp3 just flat out sucks. I go to the other extreme and get most of my CDs as Japanese imports because the sound is superior in every way to cds manufactured in the US. The packaging is usually better and you almost always get a bonus track or two.
Yeah, concert prices have gone up as have the prices of t-shirts. Why? Because bands are getting charged for insurance at the venues. Having some dopey lady burn her lap because she kept her coffee between her thighs, farted, and coffee squirted everywhere and scalded her and then sue McDonalds and actually win for being an unintelligent zilch opened the doors for all the other zilches who wanted a free payday. So since the insurance charge is being absorbed by the band (or the venue is trying to cover their ass), that extra charge is being passed on to the person buying the ticket and/or the t-shirt. It sucks, but it's true.
Lastly, for everyone that says that they don't want to buy an album full of filler, if you're unsure of the band then go to amazon.com, cduniverse or countless other e-tailers and listen to the samples. Between the band's website, label's website, youtube, myspace and the samples at e-tailers, there is ample opportunity to get a sample of most, if not the entire album, before you purchase it. With all this out there, buying an album that sucks is almost more your fault than the bands.
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COMMENT |
posted by : M.E.262
8/28/2007 7:15:00 PM
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To say downloading has killed the music biz is ridiculous.
Video game popularity has skyrocketed in this time-frame. Why? Because quality, innovative games are being offered.
The movie industry is setting box-office records ass over tit.
I can d/l any movie or game just as easily.
Cell phones, digital cameras, computers, DVDs...all that stuff takes away $$ that may have been used to buy CD's & cassettes in the past.
Illegal downloading has certainly been a factor, but there is tons more entertainment options now than there ever was.
Most new music sucking-ass doesn't help either.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2007 7:18:09 PM
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the days of me spending 18.99 a cd are over, the riaa and the industry can go suck it.
Start putting out better music and you might see something in return.
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COMMENT | one more thing
posted by :
8/28/2007 7:18:55 PM
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There are more reasons for concert tickets being so expensive than insurance: promoters, travel costs and (yes) greed does play a part in it as well. But knowing that they can get sued if somebody gets a hangnail and cries loud enough doesn't help either.
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COMMENT | GPcorruption
posted by :
8/28/2007 7:19:34 PM
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i think you said that backwards...
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COMMENT | GPcorruption
posted by :
8/28/2007 7:27:51 PM
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or the sarcasm is hard to follow in a brief text post. Ooops on my part
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COMMENT | ALL YOU ANTI-KISS DICKHEADS CAN FUCK OFF
posted by : Angry Johnny
8/28/2007 7:32:46 PM
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I DON'T EVEN LISTEN TO KISS ANYMORE BUT A FRIGGIN' BLINDMAN COULD READ THAT EVERY ONE OF YOU ANTI-KISS ASSHOLES HAVE NOTHING TO SAY THAT MAKES ANY SENSE OR AMOUNTS TO ANYTHING OTHER THAN "KISS SUCKS" AND "GENE SIMMONS IS GREEDY".
BLA BLA BLA BLA. NO SHIT. HOW ABOUT DISCUSSING THE TOPIC THAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED AND ADD SOMETHING OF VALUE TO THE CONVERSATION INSTEAD OF THE SAME HATEFUL RANTING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
BAN ME. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT. MORE POWER TO CAPITALISM AND GENE SIMMONS TOO. HE HASN'T SOLD A SINGLE THING THAT SOMEBODY DIDN'T WANT TO BUY. PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES AND ACCEPT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS THAT YOU NEVER THOUGHT OF SUCH A PROFITABLE, MARKETABLE CONCEPT.
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COMMENT | WE WILL!
posted by :
8/28/2007 7:51:35 PM
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COMMENT | There's nothing like..........
posted by : whiskeydust
8/28/2007 8:00:01 PM
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... the hiss-crackle-pop before Purple Haze. That's the way music from that time was SUPPOSED to sound. KISS sounded like that once and it was SUPPOSED to sound like that back then. You loved the bands and went to the shows to see them and hear them better. I paid for both the shows and the vinyl and was HAPPY to do it because you needed to be creative to be "discovered" (so to speak) and music back then was creative and not the half assed poseur pansy garbage being shoved down our throats now.
That being said, if the music industry hadn't tried to turn the "quick buck" with convoluted artists and the crappy music that we have today we wouldn't mind paying the fatcats for their product. I started downloading years ago when I couldn't find quality music anymore. Judge me as you will but it opened my horizons to creative artists - not the groups that these record companies put together themselves to make their own money.
I love music for music. When I find a good band I buy it fully - music, shows, shirts, etc. Too bad the fatcats sold themselves short. At least to me they did.
* off soapbox now *
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COMMENT | Some of you are morons..........
posted by :
8/28/2007 8:17:31 PM
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I mean really use your brain for one minute. Everything Gene said is a 100% true. It's simple as long as your able to download music for free people are going to do it and alot. It has nothing to do with the exuse of............better music better sales crap. That has very little to do with any of it. There has always been shitty music on the shelfs next to great music. Just now days it is so much more accesible that you actually hear that crap. Where as 20 years ago the only way knew it existed was to buy it or a buddy bought it. So much it went by the way side, but not today. Not too mention back in the day there really wasn't a fesible way to copy music with any kind of quality to it. Plus you had to have quality equipment and tapes to make it sound decent. Which not very many kids had access to. Where as today every damn home has a computer.
Music industry dropped the ball about 10 years ago on it. At that time they should've attacked the internet with there own download stores. Selling shit today at 99 cents a song doesn't work to good. Only way to curb it to point that will deter people is to offer full album downloads for around $3.99 to $4.99. Otherwise forget it. They'll learn over the next few years its the only way to do it. They just have to ask themselves weather they want to make some money or less money. Days of every other band selling a million albums is long gone.
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COMMENT | FAIR ENOUGH
posted by : Angry Johnny
8/28/2007 8:55:22 PM
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I use the caps lock because I have the understanding that that is referred to as "SCREAMING" and that is precisely what I was doing.
I have no problem with KISS or McDonalds and what they do or sell. It's popular. Is listening to KISS the same "healthy choices" as eating a really fine steak dinner with some incredible vegetables and a nice glass of wine? Of course not.
I have my gripes about a great many of the choices of KISS since I was a kid 30 years ago . . . but I get exhausted by the constant typing of the same old thing over and over again.
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COMMENT | IMO.......
posted by : Mysteria
8/28/2007 9:29:20 PM
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I like buying the physical product. I love going to an independent CD store (when I can find one), BestBuy, or just buying CD's online. I like getting the FULL product. That includes artwork and booklets. Plus I like the idea that I'm supporting the band that's working there ass off creating the music I love. It's absolute bullshit that people download an artists work for free!! You should be ashamed. Then you have the gall to complain that there isn't enough good bands/music out there. Stop stealing their work and perhaps more bands could get out there.
Now I do agree that the music companies have been total greedy shits for the price that they put on CD's VS. what the band actually gets out of that sale. It doesn't take all of that much to manufacture a CD. So, I know we're getting hosed on that end of the deal just as the artist is. Something has to break. I usually plan my purchases well. Like today I picked up the Scorpions new CD for $7.99 at BestBuy. Century Media usually has all of there new/upcoming releases discounted pretty steeply upon first release/pre-release. So there are plenty of legal cheaper ways to purchase your music so artist doesn't get hosed.
One of the problems I see with the music industry is that there are too many ways to get the music and too many devices to play it on. Think about it. the movie industry doesn't have this issue. At least not to this extent. You have to have a proprietary device (for the most part) to watch a movie. It's the same with the gaming industry. I have to have a console or computer to play a game. I can't download a game for an Xbox and then place it on my computer and then download it to my PSP.
So, that's my two cents for what it's worth. People just need to stop stealing from the artists. Knock it off!! I like my metal damn it!!
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COMMENT | stream of thought
posted by :
8/28/2007 9:37:11 PM
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Seems that people think the only reward a musician is entitled to is to become filthy rich.What ever happened to the love of making music?
How many good bands has too much success ruined? and i think thats the real issue here... if you cant become filthy rich,then the pursuit of making music is a useless endeavor.thats what they are really telling you.
What the record industry is experiencing is too much business and not enough substance.Bands have become little factories that produce a product.and, like other products, some work..but most don't.record companies,when looking into a prospected band,make their decision to sign the band based on their marketability,not their ability as musicians.So what we end up with is a manufactured product,not a work of art.Technology has given a voice to the voiceless out there who DO have ability but may not have a marketable image.and i think thats where the real fear is coming from...BIG music is going up against a competitor they cant buy out,repackage,or resale.they are going up against people who have a burning desire to be heard no matter what. money be damned.
All this nonsense about downloading songs is tripe.bootlegs have been around as long as recordable media has been available.Consider this....are the record companies really losing money over downloading, or have they just found an excuse to dock the bands they represent paychecks?
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COMMENT | just watch the show cribs then you'll know there not hurting for cash
posted by :
8/28/2007 9:59:57 PM
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when i see all these "rappers" with 20 million dollars of "bling" around their necks and a brand new pair of "sneakers" for everyday of the year it just reminds me that downloading their music is okay!! they are obviously not starving so fuck them and fuck the record industry.
i download albums all the time, if its good i buy it, if its crap then its deleted. like ppl are saying, for most part you'll have the "1" hit and the rest or fillers. how do you justify that ? 15-20$ down the hole!
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COMMENT | pfft.
posted by : Grommell
8/28/2007 10:02:36 PM
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Killing the music biz, what a joke. True artists and true music is about being heard and changing peoples perspectives for a small moment in time. Weather thats through a live concert or an "illegally" downloaded album should be of no consequence to the true artisan. Money is a bonus at best. If your only making music for money (eg Gene), then your no doubt making shit music that nobody will be fooled into paying for anymore. Musicians in this digital day and age should know what it takes. Not everybody can handle the time, artistic and financial constraints of a being in a band.
The lesson is: If you commit yourself wholly to making good, true music- you will be rewarded accordingly. Consider for a moment that money is useless when your dead, but your legend can live forever.
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COMMENT | tit's a nice day
posted by :
8/28/2007 10:07:22 PM
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Yeah, outside the US you guys get hammered pretty good on prices. I don't know if it's still done a lot now, but I remember seeing for a period of a few years where the CD would be released in Australia and then a tour edition would hit a few months later. I spend between $25-$30 for the Japanese imports. The amazon marketplace usually has pretty good prices on CDs, maybe try there.
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COMMENT | Gene
posted by : RiotAct666
8/28/2007 10:16:09 PM
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Say what you will about him, But he is a very smart business man. I agree w/ him on this subject.
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COMMENT | The ART of Rock is dead!
posted by :
8/28/2007 10:46:22 PM
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There are many hip hoppers making millions on their music. I don't particularly like hip hop, but they have what rock is missing. Glitz, music, and sales. What does anyone expect from todays boring (rock) bands in jeans and t-shirts with NO TALENT, COPY CAT BANDS, WHO NEED TO PILE UP ON A TOUR TO SELL A COUPLE OF SHOWS? When was the last time a BAND had a great album? You live by the "HIT", you die by the "HIT". Funny, I don't hear AC/DC complaining about their "Back in Black" album going GOLD EVERY YEAR! Why won't some dinosaur bands put out albums? Because they can't write anymore, therefore, there is NO MONEY IN IT! Easier and more lucrative to TOUR! To their credit, if it weren't for the dinosaurs touring, their would be NO ROCK! Yet, other genres of music with people like, for ex; Eminem can sell 8 million CD's!!! Put out an ALBUM and we'll buy it!! Give us the crap that record companies got away with selling for 18.99 on a disc that cost .50 cents to copy, and no'one wants it. Little by little the record companies took away the album ART covers and gave us manufactured bands (for the video) that could not stand the test of time. Go back to getting rock bands that can write, play live, and entertain and hey, you may get your "hit" more than once on a single album that will sell millions! For now, it's a buyers market!
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COMMENT | Actually gg2007
posted by : whiskeydust
8/28/2007 11:04:46 PM
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They the hip hoppers steal themselves from rock music...... though I agree with most of what you said, the genre of hip hop changes one note or beat of a song and calls it their own.
THAT folks is music theft in the highest degree. Unequivacle music theft for profit.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
8/28/2007 11:37:52 PM
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Branikald_44 you took the words right out of my mouth. i buy cd's pf my favourite bands or i buy used cd's. No way am i going to may anything more than 15$ for a cd. analog recorded metalllica cd's being sold for 15$ .. the record industry can go f/*/-* itself. aint that rip of ehh.
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COMMENT | Yep, just used Hip Hop as an example
posted by :
8/29/2007 12:06:11 AM
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Yeah, I know. I agree with that (whiskeydust). I've said it many times myself. Just an example on "how" people manage to sell CD's.....They are packaging it just right for their audience. No'one should have to pay for crappy music, crappy entertainment, crappy live bands. Trust me, I'll listen to rock any day over anything else, but it goes to show you that Rock can come back and sell albums, if the record companies are worried, for their own sake of course, about it. If Hip Hop can borrow and sell, then why can't rock bands use what they are "lending out"? Because today's molded sound and look is garbage and unsellable. When metal became remanufactured, Nirvana came out and destroyed it temporarily. What we need is a revolution!! Get rid of the pizza delivery boy look, put out a band that plays guitars and drums and can make kids go out and buy an instrument and say "I wanna play like.....". That is missing, thanks to the record industry, who by the way, didn't complain when they screwed so many bands over. The same record companies who didn't complain when LP's changed over to CD's and they made a killing. Who could foresee that? There was a time when bands could make millions off of a video, bands who couldn't tour, because there was no band, for ex: Pet shop boys.....Trust me, I am a HUGE ROCK FAN, and play in a band, but am not oblivous to what's around, whether good or bad. Funny though, how at one point or another, it gets back to basics. Look at all the festivals around the country. Now bands have to tour......
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COMMENT | Whoever it was that asked
posted by :
8/29/2007 1:25:33 AM
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how FYE and BestBuy sell things for such low prices: in BestBuy's case, they use CDs as loss leaders. They sell them at a loss to get you into the store, where you might buy a phone, external hard drive, etc.
plur
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COMMENT | lol @ four words
posted by : mike57
8/29/2007 4:42:48 AM
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And ipyratemusicforfunandprofit owned cute puppies every time.
It is an interesting time to be alive! If the record industry is dying, I wish it would hurry up already. Remember, there is a difference between the record industry and the music industry. Do not confuse the two!
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COMMENT | ^^^^^^
posted by :
8/29/2007 4:48:01 AM
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Where are the other 3?
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COMMENT | WTF?
posted by : Das Schuetzenfest
8/29/2007 5:42:59 AM
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What's happening to Blabbermouth here? Some intelligent debate, and even the flaming is clever for the most part...
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COMMENT | hurricane hugo
posted by :
8/29/2007 7:28:36 AM
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I guess I should of clarified: I know the marketing behind it, the question should have been, why can't the others do it as well? FYE had the same Heaven & Hell live cd for the "sale" price of $16.99, which is Best Buy's normal price. Yes, FYE is paying for the high rent in the mall, but the best buy here is in the outer part of the Rockaway, NJ mall.
deepdiscount.com has the heaven and hell cd for $12.98 shipped.
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COMMENT | 'The Record Industry Is Dead'
posted by : Mudbone
8/29/2007 10:15:47 AM
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And it should be. Gene calling it "The Record Industry" should show you how old his thinking is. Bands can record their own C.D.'s now. They can sell their own music online. They don't need the "Record Industry" to survive. People want to blame downloading?? Bullshit. It's technology that passed the so called "Record Industry" up.
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COMMENT | Blown away
posted by :
8/29/2007 11:35:27 AM
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I can't even start to say how narrow minded most of you are. concert prices Electricity fro one is through the roof it cost a lot of money for lights camara action. Do you folks think its free to transport lights ,stages, equiptment ect. You cant walk into and arena and just plug in and play. Like I have said before if you don't like it don't buy it dont like the band don't go to the show.Stop complaining about what things cost and get a job that pays. Most of you won't comprehind what I am saying as most of you arn't old enough to have to pay for things yet or now the value of a dollar. But I bet you know how to say Dad can I have 20 bucks. Why not mow the lawn and then ask for the money. That is what most people call earning money. Not getting it for free like how you pimpled face little shits get you so called music for free. I also Like the guy who says no one deseves that kind of money. You are truely a moron. I will ask you this. If you have a job and your boss came to you and said I am going to make you a partner and you will be makeing 3 million a year would you say no I don't deserve it? I bet you would'nt and if you did You are even a bigger moron than I already think you are!!!!
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COMMENT |
posted by : MurderCapital666
8/29/2007 12:47:43 PM
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To me, still, no mp3 can match up with the hard goods.
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COMMENT | Where?
posted by :
8/29/2007 1:01:35 PM
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Did I bitch about free donwloading. I was saying that most kids today have no idea what a dollar is worth. I am a Dad and I don't give my kids things for free they have to earn it.Of course I buy them cloths and food and toys but if they ask for something expensive they have to earn it. Just because you have the access to download it, it is stealing if you don't pay for it. When you go to the store to buy a candy bar can you eat it in the store and not pay for it because you didn't take it out of the store. No that would be stealing and you would go to jail. The point being Why is music any different than that ?
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COMMENT | atottobc2 = racist
posted by : mike57
8/29/2007 6:23:52 PM
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You do know that the term "raghead" is a racist comment right? Therefore, you loose all credibility as an intelligent human being and I'm not going to respond to what could have been an interesting dialogue.
I've heard people say it's dying for a long time already. If this is true, it's a really slow death. So what is the prediction then for the record industry?
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COMMENT | Hmmm..
posted by :
8/29/2007 8:36:25 PM
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I think the main issue with all this downloading is the price of the cd's, period. It cost at the most 3 dollars to make a disc. When you mark them up to 17$ or 19.99 it's ourageous to think anyone in their right mind is gonna buy'em anyway. Let's say you can afford that, can you afford several of them a month? Most can't so one of these bands is gonna be out some cash. Don't blame it all on people who download - the bottom line is the price. Fight to have the prices lowered, tour more, man up and be a real Rock Star and work your fan base.
I am a part time downloader, but I like alot of others here want the covers - so I will buy the disc... But it'll be from eBay, Half or Amazon and it'll be used. I can get about 500$ worth of cd's for 100$ from these places - it's a no-brainer. As for blind buying - No way in the world would I ever buy a cd blindly again. A few of you are right, most music is pretty bad these days.
No matter what, this isn't going to go away so it's up to the band's to make a difference and carve their own niche out. Just because you got a deal doesn't mean instant dollars now.
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COMMENT |
posted by : Slayer>YourFavoriteBand
8/30/2007 7:31:21 PM
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If I want to support the artist, I'll go to their show and buy some merchandise like a t-shirt. At least that way, most of my money goes to the band instead of a retailer, record company or other middleman.
And that isn't some "left wing anti-business bullshit". I hate communists just as much as anyone. It's simply a new reality: with the internet available, people are going to download albums.
I'll only buy the album if I absolutely cannot find it online, or if I love the record so much that I just have to buy it for the liner notes. But since most of the bands I like are mainstream in the metal world, it rarely happens.
Gene Simmons openly admitted countless times that he only does it for the money and pussy. Fuck him. KISS is terrible anyway. Sorry, but I'm not losing any sleep over the downloading phenomenon, and have no sympathy whatsoever for giants in the music industry. Deal with it.
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posted by : Slayer>YourFavoriteBand
8/30/2007 7:36:11 PM
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Also, Bush promotes open borders and amnesty for illegals, so you're a fucking idiot if you think he's protecting the country from "ragheads since 2001". We wouldn't need to fight this pointless "war on terror" abroad if elected representatives just cut the political correctness and deported all Muslim extremists and their families period.
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COMMENT | you people are retarded
posted by :
4/21/2009 12:52:14 AM
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The reason these bands got rich (kiss,metallica) is because they worked their asses off. I am not a huge proponent of totaly free capitalism but Gene is totaly right on this one. The bottom line is before napster if you wanted a CD you had to go buy it...after illeagal downloading took off you could get it free or have a friend make you a cd. That tanked the record industry. Period. And the reason there are no good new bands now is because there is no real reward for the artists. In the old days you had to actually be good and if you made it you got all the cash,pussy, you wanted....So only the best of the best made it. Now, any crapy band can pute their music online and do a tour....so there are tons of shitty bands and the good ones may never get "found". Im sure there are alot of awesome bands out there but they just stay in the garage and keep their day jobs. I never liked downloads or ipods anyway...even the original master 16bit cds were better than ipods cuz no one fucked with the masters. Ipods suck and sound tinny.
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