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CRYPTOPSY Drummer Defends Shift In Band's Musical Direction
- Mar. 18, 2008
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Drummer Flo Mounier of the Canadian metallers CRYPTOPSY has defended the shift in the band's musical direction on their forthcoming sixth full-length studio album, "The Unspoken King", after unfinished versions of several of the tracks surfaced on the Internet.
A CRYPTOPSY fan named "Sam" made an online posting directed to Flo in which he stated about group's new material, "there is a difference between adding experimental touches to music and completely and utterly throwing everything you've done on past albums out the window. Now I haven't heard the full new album so I can't base a full opinion on it yet. But I sure as hell know that I'm not the only one feeling this way. The way I see it (and countless others I have spoken to about the issue) is that you've alienated your core fan base completely, which is shit, because die-hard fans like myself are just left saying 'What the fuck?' Also the new tunes I've heard sound pretty commercial, but not commercial enough to get a whole new fan base off the ground in my opinion. As a musician myself, I know what it's like to want to play something different and change it up every once in awhile. But at least change the name of the band if you guys are going to release this because listening to 'Bemoan the Martyr' [off the forthcoming album] and then putting on something great like 'Loathe', 'Shroud' or 'Phobophile', it just doesn't sound like the CRYPTOPSY I know and love, and have spent a lot of my hard-earned money getting tattoos, CDs, seeing shows, merch etc."
In his response to Sam, Flo wrote, "[I'm] very disappointed to see how closed-minded some of our fans are. We started extreme metal and now we are doing it even more then before, extreme dynamically. When you listen to the full album, you will understand or not. Never has CRYPTOPSY been soo fast and agressive and at the same time generated feel in metal songs, wow. Not an achievement to you, it seems, but something extremely hard to do. If you get it or not, that's up to you, but people judge fast and I can guarantee that if you open your mind a little, you'll understand and be in awe. No change, then just vote for Bush again while you're at it. You know, [I'm] not an angry person by nature, but god, open your ears."
"The Unspoken King" is CRYPTOPSY's first album to feature new vocalist Matt McGachy, who is also a member of 3 MILE SCREAM.
CRYPTOPSY was forced to cancel its previously announced tour of South America in March after Mounier broke his knee cap. Flo had completed the drum tracking process for the group’s new album prior to the incident, so it did not affect the recording. The tour of South America is expected to be rescheduled later in 2008.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
3/18/2008 11:13:02 AM
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"We started extreme metal"
i don't know about all that.
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posted by : Tellingthetruestoryfirst
3/18/2008 11:18:54 AM
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I think he meant they started as extreme metal
French Canadians speak bad English...
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COMMENT | yep
posted by :
3/18/2008 11:20:32 AM
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I can see how these songs are pissing off the fans of Cryptopsy. No matter what Flo says they don't sound that much like anything the band has done before... I mean there are clean sung vocals and high screams... I agree with above poster they should have changed the band name and broken up because this is a lot more commercial sounding than anything they have done from the music to the vocals. The drums kick ass still :) To me it sounds like a half assed version of Protest The Hero but not even close but the same riff changing every few seconds kind of style. No thanks guys what happened?
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COMMENT | Not a good idea
posted by :
3/18/2008 11:32:16 AM
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this is like when sepultura made roots or when metallica made load, total change of style. Cryptopsy will most likely lose all the fans that made them what they are, smart move :)
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COMMENT | therippingcorpse
posted by :
3/18/2008 11:39:53 AM
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Good point but they shouldnt get pissed if people dont like it either
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COMMENT | alright
posted by : metal6head6
3/18/2008 11:40:19 AM
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so where can i hear some new tracks
their myspace doesn't have them
any help guys?
everyone had to have somewhat seen this coming. the dude from 3 mile scream? not bashing him, but they obviously wanted that type of sound for the album. because we all know they would have had 50-60 pure death metal dudes trying out in a second.
but they chose him for a reason. they wanted to sound different.
and unfortunately, that will piss off the majority of your fans considering almost all your releases are intense death metal.
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posted by :
3/18/2008 11:40:52 AM
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im sure it'll still be a good album, cryptopsy have never upset me
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COMMENT |
posted by : Mount and Dew
3/18/2008 11:45:56 AM
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Sweet, this is actually good news. A shift in direction is what they need because the stuff that I've heard is unbearable.
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COMMENT | alright alright
posted by : metal6head6
3/18/2008 11:47:11 AM
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i heard the first song 'bemoan' and now i'm listening to resurgence.
bemoan was like listening to chino sing for a bit, and then all of a sudden, it turned into a hardcore song, then a little blasting at the end. i'm not the biggest cryptopsy, but these songs are weak as shit.
i can easily see how almost all their fan base will be extremely pissed off.
honestly, they just made a horrible decision in chosing a vocalist for a death metal band. because there is no way he can do the old vocals. he's a hardcore/metalcore singer. he can't do the death growls
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COMMENT | ...
posted by : lostinhell
3/18/2008 11:54:57 AM
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Bands Change, evolve, go in another direction ... AT THEIR LEISURE!
sure some "die hard" fans don't like it ... fine ... but never should a musician have to defend their art... if the artist digs the music they're playing , are making money of it , and touring then mainstream, underground whatever ... they're doing ok.
Bring on the new album!
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COMMENT |
posted by : rds
3/18/2008 11:57:15 AM
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i need some AxCx!!!
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COMMENT | ..
posted by : Pod
3/18/2008 12:00:51 PM
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It's the bands right to do whatever they want with their music.
But all the same, if you alienate your core fans (which is all Cryptopsy have) then it's a big uphill struggle when you have to backtrack to win them back;
- Which is what they'll be doing, judging from the quality of the new material, which is utterly fucking atrociously bad. 50% generic mallcore and 50% generic death. They'll lose much more fans than they'll gain from this.
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COMMENT | well...
posted by : suffer2ascend
3/18/2008 12:01:51 PM
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I can sort of understand and sypathize with both sides of this debate. any band should have the artistic freedom to drastically change the style of music that they play, as long as it makes them happy. however, they shouldn't be surprised if their fanbase decreases as a result of this departure of style.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
3/18/2008 12:06:17 PM
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CHANGE THE FUCKING NAME!!! i dont care what you do, this new stuff cannot be part of the great legacy of the "real" cryptopsy...
ideas : Cryptycore, Emopsy, to the CRYPT we are slowly heading, ...
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posted by : Deth
3/18/2008 12:10:20 PM
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Wow. That's all I can really say.
I have a wide variety of tastes in music and am very open minded, but these two songs are very disappointing. I went in expecting a different sound but this isn't even close or any kind of semblance to Cryptopsy.
Of course they can change their sound, it's their band and their perogative. However, supporting a decision doesn't mean you have to be a fan. If this new direction is what they decide to go with then I wish them the best of luck; I can't stand beside them.
It's disappointing but there are tons of other bands I can throw my money at and I'll always listen to their past material.
This should be an interesting experiment. It will be a question of how many old fans they lose (I can only guess...a LOT of them) and how many new fans will dig their older material.
And I was so looking forward to the Summer Slaughter Tour...
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COMMENT | After hearing that...
posted by :
3/18/2008 12:11:54 PM
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I will not be purchasing this album, they have definitely embraced the Montreal core scene, and with that I must say Rest in piece Cryptopsy. I was a die hard fan for years but after hearing those links it's unbearable to think that a pioneer extreme metal band has gone almost radio friendly...not for me.
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COMMENT | exactly a huge point
posted by : metal6head6
3/18/2008 12:21:26 PM
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how many new fans will like their old stuff
because it is 100% two different bands
change the name is right
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COMMENT |
posted by :
3/18/2008 12:22:20 PM
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Fans bitch and moan about everything...let the musicians make the music, something he's really good at and just listen to what you enjoy. Metal fans are extremely close minded and that's sad. So you and your core friends don't like the new material, go listen to the hundred other metal bands releasing predictable stuff. I don't think flo sounded pissed, he sounded dissapointed that people don't accept change and won't open their minds just a little.
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COMMENT | screw you guys...
posted by : toodiesel
3/18/2008 12:31:42 PM
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only heard a few songs from them before and thought the vocalists had poor dm voices... based on the two new songs, i will def be checking this new release out.
incidentally, production on this sounds kinda like Dante XXI
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COMMENT | Hey
posted by : where is your god now?
3/18/2008 12:32:41 PM
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Is that asshole rapping in the first minute of Bemoan the Martyr? I'm pissed and all the Cryptopsy fans should be. A lot of that fucking song sounds like new metal. Someone should punch that asshole singer in the face. THIS ISN"T CRYPTOPSY! FUCK THIS! I WON"T SPEND MY MONEY ON THIS PACKAGED BOWEL MOVEMENT!!!!!
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posted by : thenumberofthebeef
3/18/2008 12:35:38 PM
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I went into this expecting to say something like "wow, finally Cryptopsy is writing some good songs"...you know...having a piss. Then I listened to the songs. Holy shit. I'm not a huge fan of the band, but I have two of their albums that I like a lot. To hear this music with the name Cryptopsy stamped on it is just...its embarrasing. Why would they even consider going in this musical direction with that name?? Its almost Nu metal!! Change the name, put it out on Munky's label. This ain't no Cryptopsy.
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COMMENT | the new stuff repels some people and attracts others
posted by : blueshirt
3/18/2008 12:38:49 PM
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This reminds me when Priest released Turbo. Many fans said that it sounded too commercial and Def Leppard ish especially right after Defenders of the Faith. The principle is the same now:
You don't have to listen to it or buy it.
I respect musicians who play what the hell they *want* to play, whether anyone else likes it or not (including myself). I think it is called artistic integrity. The safest thing is always to copy yourself or rehash your old stuff. Change is always a risk. But its often more fun.
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COMMENT | What is Cryptopsy?
posted by :
3/18/2008 12:46:30 PM
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Just listened to the 2 tracks and I still hear alot of what made Cryptopsy, Cryptopsy. Multiple riffs and time signatures in the same song with Flo's abilities to fill. Why get hungup on vocal stylings? I heard enough to want to hear to whole finished beast!. If you are a fan of the band, give it a chance
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COMMENT | All of I've to to say is "wow"
posted by : MansonKiller
3/18/2008 12:46:34 PM
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I've never been a big fan of Cryptopsy, and I agree with the more logical arguments in here about having the ability to play whatever music one chooses, but damn. If you want to make the kind of music you want, that's great, but they will more than certainly lose their core base. I don't think most people who enjoy the type of music Cryptopsy puts out will be embracing this new style of theirs with a smile.
Regardless, best of luck to them.
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COMMENT | WOW!
posted by :
3/18/2008 12:49:17 PM
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That was bad. The second song was better but still bad. eeeesh.
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COMMENT |
posted by : dallaswillis
3/18/2008 12:53:51 PM
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Sounds different, not good or bad really. You can tell its cryptopsy because the drums are way too loud in the mix. There is no doubt flo is an awesome drummer but seriously make a better mix!
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COMMENT |
posted by : Willie Fisterbut
3/18/2008 12:56:43 PM
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I like it, it doesn't sound too bad at all... besides, these are unfinished songs... give the whole album a chance.
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COMMENT | HOLY FUCKING SHIT.
posted by :
3/18/2008 1:08:09 PM
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I don't care what the fuck little flo mounier says,
their new music is PURE FUCKING SHIT.
I mean, seriously, Metallica's new album has the chance of being better even...
Cryptopsy? When i think of that name, I think of something really fucking BRUTAL. [*cough*NONE SO VILE*cough*];
but you know what? It seems like they're pulling a 'metallica,' as if they just want to milk that name for all it's worth to see how many people they can still draw in to buy their heaping pile of shit.
Don't get me wrong, I'll still go to summer slaughter to see the other good bands,
but Cryptopsy significantly dropped down about 300 slots in my priority list of bands that are worth seeing, let alone listen to.
....If i ever buy a cryptopsy shirt, it'll say "NONE SO VILE" on it for the sake of everyone knowing that there's better music than this god-awful mtv sellout piece of shit.
I don't care what flo says, this is pure bullshit.
If you want to change styles, fine.
BUT FUCK, CHANGE THE NAME. THAT. IS. NOT. CRYPTOPSY.
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COMMENT |
posted by : rds
3/18/2008 1:19:45 PM
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cryptopsy changed after Lordworm left the first time around (after NONE SO VILE), they became(to me anyway.) a standard (run of the mill) deathmetal band (with desalvo as vocalist)
i guess i need to listen to these said tracks and make a listen for myself (as musical taste differ: not everyone is gonna like AxCx, MASSONA, MERZBOW, AUTOPSY, ANGELCORPSE ect. ect.) i sure do hope it's not that drastic, but some times change is good ( and vocalist DO IT!= change the style)
LOSS...Earthride
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COMMENT |
posted by : pigchop
3/18/2008 1:21:22 PM
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The band may want to pay attention to it's 'bread and butter' base...if they care an iota as to what the fans are clamoring for.
Indeed - it's good to offer up a few taste-tests, but not an entirely new menu. Still - wait for the record to be released - give it a listen and make your judgement/s then.
What is available for listening now is crap - and it seems a lot of people (here at b-mouth and other sites) think so.
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COMMENT | Wow, real mature.
posted by :
3/18/2008 1:23:42 PM
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"WAAAAHHH IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU'RE CLOSED MINDED AND I BET YOU VOTE FOR GEORGE BUSH WHICH IS BAD BECAUSE HE'S DUMB AND STUFF BECAUSE WE'RE THE GREATEST AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU'RE AN IDIOT WAAAAAHHHHH"
Are you kidding me? Every artist has a right to change their direction. That's cool. If I don't like it, I don't have to listen to it. But for fuck's sake, don't throw a hissy fit because your fans don't blindly eat up everything you put out. That just makes you look like an idiot to everyone but the fans who blindly eat up everything they put out.
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COMMENT | into occupied territory
posted by :
3/18/2008 1:37:31 PM
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http://www.myspace.com/sowingdiscordmusic
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COMMENT | The Salaminizer
posted by :
3/18/2008 1:40:33 PM
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Exactly my point! If you drastically change the bands sound from an extreme technical death metal band for the past 15 years and the suddenly put out and album that sounds like everything else out there right now in the metalcore or whatever its called world... then you have no right to be pissed off if your fans who supported you all these years decide they do not like it and think it sucks. I am all for bands changing styles I mean look at a lot of the euro death/doom style bands (Amorphis, Tiamat, Paradise Lost, Anathema, etc.) they all started out playing a totally different form of music than they play now but a majority of them still created good music that had its own sound and vibe. These two new songs do not sound like a band progressing it sounds like a band trying to cash in because they are getting older and are still struggling as a band financially and probably feel its now or never to break it. It 100% sounds like the went out trying to go for this current metalcore type sound with the vocals and music because they have seen it becoming more and more popular and are tired of working day jobs and sleeping in a van for miles and miles all these years. I can understand that but don't get pissed if your fans don't and think you sold out.
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COMMENT | Dear Flo
posted by :
3/18/2008 1:42:19 PM
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You are a tool. Close minded?? I listen to everything from Allison Krauss to Burzum. The way i see it, there are 2 types of music. Good and bad. And guess what side you belong to for now?
stop defending this trendy crap. you, yourself know it's crap. like you didnt know how people were going to react when they heard this.
you know how ulver has changed there sound over the years? it may be different, but still good, quality music. these songs i heard, were insulting. is it hard times in canada? need a little extra cash? how much did you sell your soul for anyway????
yours truly,
James
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COMMENT |
posted by : Saikohs
3/18/2008 1:51:27 PM
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wow....that sounds nothing like cryptopsy! ..mwahaha seriously WTF
cryoptopsy is whiney screamo now?.....
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COMMENT | Just goes to show
posted by :
3/18/2008 2:01:06 PM
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that they were sellouts all along.
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COMMENT | There is a two turn limit. We can't vote for Bush again.
posted by :
3/18/2008 2:05:56 PM
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Maybe you can vote for him in Canada.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
3/18/2008 2:06:07 PM
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Sheepgrinder put it perfectly. This is not a musical evolution, this is a conscious effort to get more popularity and the band fucking knows it.
Music shouldn't be a business. Music should be an art. If you treat it like a business your music is going to be shit.
Good job Cryptopsy. Real metal of you.
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COMMENT |
posted by : Ivan the Terrible
3/18/2008 2:20:38 PM
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What.the.hell.is.this?!?!? Kurt Cobain with lung cancer & co.?
Shit man .... this stuff is poor. Hell, it's not even that. Damn. :(
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COMMENT | oh my fucking god.
posted by :
3/18/2008 2:53:18 PM
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what a fucking dissapointing cpl of songs. poor riffs, poorly arranged, and if those are the final mixes, its very poorly produced. i think we may be receiving the final cryptopsy album. i can only think that this will flop in a huge way. Gutting for hte lable, they have just pisse daway a lot of money that htey will not be getting back.
i'm not against progression, but this isnt, its a complete stylistic departure. shoulda changed hte name, this cd will be remebered as an embarrising stain on the cryptosy legacy.
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COMMENT | well
posted by : stiff
3/18/2008 3:37:44 PM
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obviously this release is shit!
but at least the new deicide is coming out, they always make true, pure death metal and never pulled a bait/switch on their fans
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COMMENT |
posted by :
3/18/2008 3:45:01 PM
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Brain Drill's another good alternative :)
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COMMENT | it makes me laugh
posted by : stiff
3/18/2008 4:12:13 PM
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when a recording artist has to get mad at his fans because they "don't get" what the band is doing now.
yep, it's definitly your fans' fault!
ha!
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COMMENT |
posted by :
3/18/2008 4:43:36 PM
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I am a pretty big Cryptopsy fan, and I totally understand where people are coming from. It's perfectly fine and within the artists' right to change their sound and try something different, WITHIN REASON. This is absurd though - to go from extreme death metal for 15 years to just stop instantly, and switch to utter metalcore SHIT? It's one thing if it's an evolution, but this is a 100% adaptation the mainstream sound.
Think of it in Megadeth terms: Started as thrash from 1985, and went commercial in 1992. Yes, the sound was cleaner, and it was more "hard rock" than metal, but at least the solos were still there, and Mustaine's songwriting was still there. The music evolved. And it continued to evolve through Cryptic Writings and Youthanasia. Then, they too, went for a COMPLETELY different sound on Risk that was more of a "hey, let's try this" experiment. Lot of people hated it, including me, but I grew to appreciate it over time. And you know what they did? After Risk, their three subsequent albums were back to the "metal" sound, though not totally thrashy, still solo- and riff-heavy. All is well, currently, with Megadeth.
Megadeth evolved into different styles and sounds. Cryptopsy listened to the radio for the first time since they released their first album and said, "Shit! THERE'S where the money is that!" Then they rushed to the studio to record a pile of shit.
It's not Cryptopsy. It's Shitopsy. Change the name. That, or go back to death metal so we can take you seriously again.
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COMMENT |
posted by : Header
3/18/2008 4:57:04 PM
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It's not just that the musics bad (sorry Flo but it is) but the new vocalist SUCKS.
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COMMENT | Two words...
posted by :
3/18/2008 5:08:06 PM
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to describe the new CRYPTOPSY: Fucking and sucks. End of story.
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COMMENT | Flo
posted by :
3/18/2008 5:15:48 PM
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actually speaks very good english. I'm not sure, but it may have been in French and then translated badly. He lived in America for a while....he can speak it.
All I know is that everybody in that band can play...hopefully the new recording comes out as crushing as he says it will.
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COMMENT |
posted by :
3/18/2008 5:28:32 PM
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I didn't realize all of you were in the band. I don't get why they didn't listen to you guys!
Who cares, its their band, let them do what they want. I bet most of you are actually happy they changed because now you have something to bitch about.
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COMMENT | weak
posted by : goddethroned
3/18/2008 5:31:47 PM
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this shit is horrible.
i know i must be close minded because i dont like shit music.
good job talking shit about your fans flo,if making shit music doesnt turn them away,running your mouth about them surely will.
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COMMENT | Like many said...
posted by : Brutal Judgement
3/18/2008 5:41:18 PM
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If they want to do something radically different,start another band...everyone else seems to do this,so why not?
Obviouysly bands have the right to do whatever with their music,but cant be upset when they change their sound entirely and expect people to like it,especially if it is in a direction that motsdont like in the first place.
Celtic Front,Metallica,Megadeth...Cryptopsy.
All should have had side projects for their "experiments".
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COMMENT | Uh Oh ...
posted by :
3/18/2008 6:11:04 PM
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This guy doesn't like Bush either!
WOW! Wish I could take back my vote.
LOSER!
OPIE AND ANTHONY! O&A PARTY ROCK! XM 202!
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COMMENT |
posted by :
3/19/2008 12:05:39 AM
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This is like death metal's answer to Celtic Frost's "Cold Lake".
They'll lose a massive chunk, if not all, of their current fanbase, but you know the Metal Hammer and Hot Topic crowd is gonna lap up the new songs like cyanide tabs at a petting zoo. They're gonna get much much bigger, we're all gonna lament the classics and have to explain to new Cryptopsy fans how we can be fans and hate the new CD. And that it's not their first CD.
They might well become the next In Flames, but even more blatant of a sellout. These new songs make new In Flames sound like Jungle Rot.
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COMMENT | this is not a "shift" its a total fucking change
posted by :
3/19/2008 1:09:57 AM
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Lord Worm teaching ESL > this new shit. this is indeed a black day for death metal.
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COMMENT | No Way
posted by : kottdods
3/19/2008 5:29:53 AM
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These tracks cant be Cryptopsy... No way! Its a fake band, I mean, if this truly are Cryptopsy they r about to be totally fucked.
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COMMENT | JUST MY 1 CENT WORTH
posted by : Nihil.50cal
3/19/2008 6:24:49 AM
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Cryptopsy to me has always been unlistenable. very boring music. Perhaps they have skill and technicality, but that doesn't make up for the fodder this band creates. I've tried giving this band a few spins to see if I could find something worthy, but no it is not possible in my eyes. My mind is open... but not to ANY of Cryptopsy's albums. I'll just mark this as just another band
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COMMENT | I don't see the problem
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3/19/2008 11:36:30 AM
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I mean, I am dissapointed when one of my favorite bands changes style, but sometimes I am amazed by it and like them even more. Point is, without change, music stays the same and stifles. Creative minds need to be able to explore and do something different, and mix things up. There's really only so many times you can do the same thing untill you get bored and everything fuses into one long song where the riffs change every so often.
Hence, a band can have courage and, for them, move forwards, rather than stagnating.
And as for changing the band name, well, a band name encompasses a "band" of musicians playing together.
Another problem I find is that in this age of downloading, people will hear one or two leaked tracks and judge an album by it. Quite often, an album needs to be judged in it's entirety rather than in small unrelated segments, and the whole overall feel needs to be taken into account.
Music is art at the end of the day, and if people want music to remian art then they have to respect that musicians will create what they see as their art. If they were to create what others wanted them to, then simply you head into the realm of bands that only exist to fill holes in the release schedules of the most popular bands in a genre. Hence, it is a bands choise what music they make, and whether they want to churn out the same album again and again and appeal to diehard fans only and slowly creatively stagnate, rot, and then disband (or simply get blasted with complaints about never recapturing the magic of their first 1-3 releases (depending on the level of undergroundness the person in question wants to convey whilst criticising)) or must move forward, and express themselves in different ways to keep them interested.
Simple equation really, stagnate and fade away, ore take a risk and see what happens and try something new.
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COMMENT | Change
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3/19/2008 3:55:11 PM
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I liked it when Ulver, Anathema, The Gathering and Katatonia evolved into something more sophisticated than what they used to do, but this frankly sucks. I usually don't talk shit about bands on the internet, but the fact that Flo (who is still an awesome drummer, btw) is calling death metal fans who liked Cryptopsy for being exactly that "closed minded" for not blindly supporting thir new crap is preposterous. I was going to grab some Cryptopsy tickets, but after listening to that crap, I just don't feel like spending cash on that. Sorry.
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